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Vivaldi Email Client Released 7 Years After First Announcement (theregister.com) 42

Browser maker Vivaldi's email client has finally hit version 1.0, seven years after it was first announced. From a report: Vivaldi Mail, which includes a calendar and feed reader as well as an email client, first arrived in technical preview in 2020. A slightly wobbly beta arrived last year alongside version 4 of the Chromium-based browser. After another year of polish and tidying of loose ends, the company has declared the client ready.

As before, the client is built into the browser, meaning it is unlikely to appeal to many beyond Vivaldi's existing user base. Enabling it is a simple matter of dropping into Settings pages and wading through until the option to enable Mail, Calendar, and Feeds can be selected. Vivaldi has a lot of settings -- delightfully customizable for some and downright baffling for others. That said, for users still pining for a good old-fashioned email client that doesn't require wading through a web page festooned with adverts, there's a lot to like. It supports multiple accounts, will sort messages and create folders automatically (locally, rather than on a mystery server in the cloud), and permits searching (with indexing performed offline). IMAP and POP3 are supported, making adding a provider relatively straightforward, and the company also claims that users can log into their Google accounts from Mail and Calendar.

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Vivaldi Email Client Released 7 Years After First Announcement

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  • 1. How much does it cost?

    2. What does it look like?
  • It is just a Chrome variant with most of the problem of Chrome and a few new ones they added.
    • Re: Meh (Score:5, Informative)

      by reanjr ( 588767 ) on Thursday June 09, 2022 @12:51PM (#62607164) Homepage

      They're all variants of WebKit. Except Firefox.

      But if you ever used Opera (pre-v8 when it sold to China), then you'd see Vivaldi is more like an Opera variant.

      Opera was a browser for power users. It was an integrated platform for various Internet protocols; a one stop shop where you could say, ok, all this Internet shit? That's this app.

      • So like the commercials for the Duck Duck Go app for smartphones, bashing google, and singing a variant of a song by The Police?
      • They're all variants of WebKit

        Just clarification. The only major browser to continue to use WebKit is Safari. There's obvious minor ones like GNOME Web that uses it too. Blink is a fork of WebKit's WebCore because Google got tired of having to deal with cooperating with Apple. Everything else pretty much runs on that now and Google is kind of the final say on what does and does not get into Blink.

      • Opera was a browser for power users. It was an integrated platform for various Internet protocols; a one stop shop where you could say, ok, all this Internet shit? That's this app.

        How is that a browser for power users? As one, I prefer to open different "internet shit" in different clients that are each individually best suited to different protocols and types of content, and explicitly do not want a one stop shop that does everything poorly. That's the opposite of a power user tool.

        • Massively customizable, integrated system for snippets, custom sidebars backed by web pages, linking tabs to other tab targets, mini-views of pages, link pre-fetching, tab stacks, etc. et al.

          Programmers are power users and they use IDEs to do all the related things in one place. Same idea.

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        Unfortunately, while I get that vibe from the design, but it's been a bit... glitchy and I gave up on it as a primary browser.

  • ... even after reading all of Vivaldi's hype about how great that is, I still do not see the reasoning for tying a browser anchor onto an email client.
    • Because people who use email also tend to browse the web. Because it's the way the old school "Internet portals" used to do it, AOL, Mozilla, etc.

      They may be trying to monetize the browser component and so use this as bait to get people into the ecosystem.

      They may have limited development capacity and bolting on features to an existing GUI/pipeline is easier than refactoring things for a separate release.

    • ... even after reading all of Vivaldi's hype about how great that is, I still do not see the reasoning for tying a browser anchor onto an email client.

      Because most people always have both open constantly and (at least for me) it greatly speeds up workflow (not to mention, it also speeds up my cpu as it uses far less ram than constantly running two separate programs)

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        The question is whether it is particularly better than say, just opening the mail providers web ui...

        • by edis ( 266347 )

          Quite some are disappointed by WYSIWYG implementation in Outlook web front-end. When used professionally, it is not uncommon to send visual crap to your peers, because it was shown different to you while composing. There is opportunity for solid, well working, well organizing mail client, able to connect to major mail service providers. Including Protonmail, hopefully.

        • I've been using the web version of Outlook and the desktop version, so I think I can answer your question, at least for that particular example. The web version is much less capable, in the sense that there are things I can easily do with the desktop version that I can't with the web version. For example, I can use the key shortcuts with the desktop version, but I'm forced to use the mouse for the web version (I am not a mouse lover). There are many more settings on the desktop version, and it retains t

          • by Junta ( 36770 )

            Keyboard shortcuts can be supported in a web page, if an web site does not support it's because they chose not to, not because they can't. Similarly, settings can be retained within a browser, either saved to the server for multi-browser, or alternative in localstorage, again an application not bothering is a choice by the application, not a limitation of the browser.

            But sure, you may like an email client UI better than the one provided by the owner of your email domain. That seems reasonable, but I think

      • {{{ - Because most people always have both open constantly - }}} --- I dunno about that. I close my browser frequently because history is purged when I close it. Also, I don't have anything being "pushed" to my browser as I do for my email client, i.e., emails come in asynchronously whether I am at the keyboard or not. Browsing is done only when I am at the keyboard, and, imo, having a browser open "just because" is a waste, maybe even a security issue. Even after reading all the reasons posted here, I
    • It's objectively better than opening a tab to webmail.

      As far as why you'd use Vivaldi instead of Outlook or Thunderbird, besides aesthetic choices, the integration into the browser can be really nice if you spend a lot of your day in email and websites. Having one place to set common settings that work consistently across the various tasks.

      • Agreed. The only realistic option I've seen in a long while is Thunderbird for IMAP, so this is a welcome new option. People need to realize that storing more than 6 month's worth of data on a US server outside of your control means, you've effectively declared it 'abandoned' [wired.com] and the warrant process is not really necessary.
        • People need to realize that storing more than 6 month's worth of data on a US server outside of your control means, you've effectively declared it 'abandoned' and the warrant process is not really necessary.

          What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter what client or protocol you are using, retention is an entirely separate issue. Also, I'm not stupid enough to send anything incriminating through email, so I don't care if someone is doing warrantless searches of mine. Or frankly, anyone else's. Anyone stupid enough to use email that way deserves to be locked up before they accidentally drool on something important.

          • What does that have to do with anything?

            Think about it. People that tend to use webmail services like gmail probably store their entire email data collection on Google's servers because search + storage is so fast and convenient for one thing. IMAP is the most practical method I'm aware of to effectively manage resources and privacy requirements practically, and you and I seem to be in agreement here on this tech site. I just raised the issue is all. Until now, Thunderbird was the only maintained IMAP cli

            • I'm not stupid enough to send anything incriminating through email, so I don't care if someone is doing warrantless searches of mine.

              Do not talk to the police, even if you BELIEVE you have nothing to hide. At least make them do their job.

              Oh, for sure. Even if they can just get a rubber stamp warrant from a compliant (and/or complicit) judge, you want that to happen so there's a paper trail. And you never want to talk to police without legal counsel, though they have you over a bit of a barrel when it comes to traffic stops if you want to go home.

    • by sconeu ( 64226 )

      Because Zawinski's Law [catb.org].

    • by Kremmy ( 793693 )
      Properly supporting e-mail requires a method of rendering HTML markup. You're going to need a browser engine to have a functionality client no matter what.
      That's why every e-mail client does.
      • e-mail is happy with nothing but a text medium. You need a browser only if you send web pages instead of e-mail. Critters who do that have either migrated to messengers bundled with this week's Myspace remake (home and small company users) or require Outlook specifically (corpo).

        • by Kremmy ( 793693 )
          HTML has been standard in emails for over twenty years.
          If you want to format them, that is how you do it.
          And people want to format them.
  • It's still more than 'slightly wobbly' Two pane view disappeared, mail has to be manually marked as read, calendar can't be resized and is often unreadable, filters don't work, user fonts can't be set (without making messages html), etc, etc, etc

    I'm not sure what's more mysterious, that it took seven years to get to this point, or that there's about 30 years of better examples to draw upon... Regardless, I wouldn't pitch Thunderbird just yet, Maybe in another seven years
  • When Microsoft decided to end the old Windows Live Mail(I know, a relic from the Windows 7 days, and is really an update from the old Outlook Express), I knew I needed to find another e-mail client to recommend to friends or clients. Back then, there was a free version, with the option to buy a lifetime license or pay monthly/yearly. That free version is no longer available, but I still find the program to be good, because it is an e-mail client, but with options to allow Chrome, Facebook, or others to
    • Im still sad they put an end to PINE. However I do rather like Zimbra Community Edition. Their stand-alone isnt really a stand-alone as much as it is its own browser and runs inside that. I just use the web interface on chromium/chrome. For my phone I use IMAP(s) and sync the contacts and calendar using CalDAV and CardDAV with the native iphone mail program.
    • When microsoft decided to kill Exchange client for Windows 95, I still installed it on win2k because, you know, it was possible. And then it just wasn't there any more, but hey Mozilla to the rescue, Thunderbird is the only client worth having. Sure, the search is strange and opens up a stupid window that make you click on "show as list" to find the message you're looking for and setup of accounts you have to know every effing detail before they let you do a connection check.

      But still way better than all th

    • I was a huge fan of Outlook Express, I thought they really nailed the email client there.

      After it was binned, I switched grudgingly to Window's Live Mail, and it's still working, but now Gmail has cut off support for 'old' POP/SMTP connections (can still use newer Outlook versions, but since WLM hasn't been updated in a decade or so..) WLM was fine tho, but it had a critical bug that if you tried to send an email to an illegitimate email address, it would lock up the whole POP/SMTP process, and you'd have t

  • Not going to lie. I'm slightly shocked at the lack of folks telling us all about SeaMonkey. Usually the second something about web browsers appears on Slashdot, everyone is out to proselytize us all on why the one indicated in the story sucks and why their particular browser is the best.

    So that said. SeaMonkey [seamonkey-project.org]. It's like a modern version of the browser you would have used back in 2005, because it's literally a split from the Mozilla foundation's project when they decided to focus on Firefox and Thunderbi

  • by dbialac ( 320955 ) on Thursday June 09, 2022 @02:13PM (#62607410)
    In other news, there's a browser called Vivaldi.

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