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So Long Voicemail, Give My Regards To the Fax Machine 395

itwbennett writes: Yes, it was just a matter of time before voicemail, the old office relic, the technology The Guardian's Chitra Ramaswamy called "as pointless as a pigeon with a pager," finally followed the fax machine into obscurity. Last week JPMorgan Chase announced it was turning off voicemail service for tens of thousands of workers (a move that CocaCola made last December). And if Bloomberg's Ramy Inocencio has the numbers right, the cost savings are significant: JPMorgan, for example, will save $3.2 million by cutting voicemail for about 136,000. As great as this sounds, David Lazarus, writing in the LA Times, warns that customer service will suffer.
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So Long Voicemail, Give My Regards To the Fax Machine

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  • by EmagGeek ( 574360 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:17AM (#49890037) Journal

    I turned off voicemail at my company 5 years ago, saving thousands per year, which i was able to move to the employee incentive program.

    Nobody misses it at all.

    • So wonderful as it is financially for your employees, I'm assuming that they all enjoy a third person interrupting them in the middle of their calls (I'm assuming that they have call-waiting) and forcing them to give them another time slot?
      • by Roadmaster ( 96317 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:39AM (#49890177) Homepage Journal

        Why would you prioritize an unknown caller over someone with whom you're already having a conversation? Just as interrupting a conversation is rude, call waiting should be banned (just as voicemail!) and emergency calls routed $SOMEWHERE that guarantees a live immediate response (or perhaps keep the sole instance of voicemail in organizations).

        • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:15AM (#49890457)

          Because prospective clients are harder and more expensive to attain than retaining current clients. Obviously, you're not in sales.

          • by pla ( 258480 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @10:05AM (#49890887) Journal
            Because prospective clients are harder and more expensive to attain than retaining current clients. Obviously, you're not in sales.

            If I call to buy some product or service from you, and get voicemail... I don't leave a message, I just move on to your competitors.

            Obviously, you're not in sales either. ;)
            • by unixisc ( 2429386 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @11:12AM (#49891495)

              GP seemed to be implying that the recipient of the call - who was w/o voicemail - was in sales, talking to one customer Charlie while the other customer Chris called (maybe returned a call). With voicemail, Chris just quickly tells him what he was calling about, and maybe when to get back to him.

              If Chris gets a dead end - no voice mail, he'd indeed do what you mentioned - move on to the competitors.

              Not everybody is an asshole - most people realize that when they call a person, that recipient may already be on another call, or in a meeting, or actually busy w/ something else, like lunch. Just having the ability to let him know that he called, about what and when to return the call is the minimum etiquette that can be expected. Or can't it?

        • Why would you prioritize an unknown caller over someone with whom you're already having a conversation?

          Who says they are unknown? I have caller ID at work. If I'm talking with a co-worker and a customer calls the customer should take priority in most cases. I've done this hundreds of times and it is the proper behavior. It's not rude, it's prudent. Our collective jobs depend on being responsive to our customers and we don't let our egos interfere with that fact.

          Just as interrupting a conversation is rude, call waiting should be banned (just as voicemail!) and emergency calls routed $SOMEWHERE that guarantees a live immediate response (or perhaps keep the sole instance of voicemail in organizations).

          It's only rude if there isn't a clearly understood reason for interrupting the call. My company employs just a handful of people and if a custo

          • Who says they are unknown? I have caller ID at work. If I'm talking with a co-worker and a customer calls the customer should take priority in most cases. I've done this hundreds of times and it is the proper behavior. It's not rude, it's prudent. Our collective jobs depend on being responsive to our customers and we don't let our egos interfere with that fact.

            What will you do if you're on the phone with a customer and another customer calls? Will your caller ID tell you if it is indeed a customer or maybe an unrelated (e.g. "wrong number") caller? How about the possibility of it being a new customer? (not sure if your org has a separate department to handle new signups).

            It's only rude if there isn't a clearly understood reason for interrupting the call. My company employs just a handful of people and if a customer calls we need to have someone answer the phone. There is almost nothing I could be doing that would justify me ignoring a call from one of our customers during working hours. Anything I have to say to my coworker can probably wait a few minutes and we all understand that.

            This is quite understandable. I was envisioning the above-mentioned scenario of two potentially-equal-priority callers in which case call waiting is a nuisance (that's what busy signals are for).

        • On my cell phone the only time I get voicemails is from callers that aren't in my contacts list. They get automatically dumped to voicemail and I'll listen to it at my convenience.

          Android is wonderful in that respect - prior call blockers required you to whitelist individual entries. Now they blacklist everything but your contacts. Really nice.
      • interrupting them in the middle of their calls (I'm assuming that they have call-waiting)

        I do not think call waiting works the way you think it works.

  • I would cancel office phones alltogether. All those proprieatry systems costing thousands of dollars
    • Great, so everybody would now have to BYOD?
      • Everyone does already, even at low-paying jobs where the employees don't have individual numbers.
  • Umm, what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:18AM (#49890045)

    Fax machines are still widely used. They are hardly obscure.

    • Re:Umm, what? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by unixisc ( 2429386 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:26AM (#49890103)
      Well, one could use a combination of e-faxes & printers. But I agree w/ you - I can only see faxes becoming irrelevant once the Legal profession embraces electronic signatures.
      • Re:Umm, what? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Nukenbar ( 215420 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:42AM (#49890715)

        An interesting side note to this. A buddy of mine in venture capital use a fax machines all of the time to send documents back and forth because email and any "store communications" they are required to keep copies of for regulators and other review. Since the fax machines don't "store" information, at least not long term enough to count, they are not required to keep copies of info sent or received over fax.

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:34AM (#49890139)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • The morgage company I went through in San Antonio used docusign for all but the final closing papers. And those I had to go in person and sign with my realator and morgage agent.

      • by quetwo ( 1203948 )

        Between two hospitals and a medical school, we have > 300 fax machines on site. I'm pretty sure the mortgage industry has some help from their friendly doctors :)

    • Fax machines are "widely used" only in lines of business where they are legally required, like banking, law and real estate. Customers and workers hate them and with they could chuck the technology, but until a digital signature standard is legally accepted, we are stuck with them.

  • by Dreth ( 1885712 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:20AM (#49890063) Homepage

    ...will be when they realize not everyone tht spelz lyk dis is a teenager.

    On the upside, they could use that as a way to lay off people too lazy to spell "what", "are", "you" and other amazingly difficult words.

    "Dear Mr. Smith,

    GTFO, lol.

    kthxbai,

    Management" ... I'm stuck on 2007, aren't I?

    • What's worse is ppl splng lk tht on normal typing platforms, like Word on a laptop, which has a keyboard and autocorrect, and which could automatically fix such spellings for them: they'd just have to enter it in the autocorrect list ONCE. Of course, tyr 2 lz 2 do tht, so Microsoft will probably do it for them in Word 2016, if it ain't there already
    • ...will be when they realize not everyone tht spelz lyk dis is a teenager.

      On the upside, they could use that as a way to lay off people too lazy to spell "what", "are", "you" and other amazingly difficult words.

      "Dear Mr. Smith,

      GTFO, lol.

      kthxbai,

      Management" ... I'm stuck on 2007, aren't I?

      Oh I know a project manager who types exactly like that. He's in his 50's and I believe he does it to try and look like he is young and hip. To me he looks like he is trying to be a teenage girl. It drives me insane. Use complete words and proper spellings please.

    • As someone who used to have to pay for messaging fees, I've found that shorthand was very useful in keeping the cost down as what would usually take 4 text messages under normal grammar and spelling rules could be easily cut down to 1 or 2. It was also a pain in the ass to type out full words on a phone's keypad (8 44 2 8 0 777 33 1 555 555 999 0 7777 88 222 555 33 3). Now that unlimited text messaging plans and full qwerty keyboards are nearly ubiquitous, I don't bother with shorthand anymore as it even
  • Makes sense (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Paul Carver ( 4555 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:22AM (#49890081)

    Makes perfect sense to me. I talk to people on the phone all the time, but it seems rude to just call someone without first sending an instant message or text to ask if they're free. My usual response when someone IMs me asking if I'm free is to give them an estimate (usually 5-15 minutes) of how long I need to complete what I'm working on so that I'm free to talk. A phone ringing unexpectedly is an annoying interruption and listening to a voice mail is a nuisance.

    • by unixisc ( 2429386 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:34AM (#49890141)
      How do you know whether a phone number that you are calling is actually a cellphone which can accept IMs? When I call someone, I usually ask them if it's a good time to talk before getting into the conversation. If they are in a meeting, I'd prefer it if they ignored the call and sent me to their voice mail, where I could have more time to tell them exactly what you would say in the IM. Your solution would only make sense the day land lines are extinct, or that every phone has IM capability - cellular or cordless.
      • Also, maybe the only time I have to talk is on that hour long drive from location A to B. I can't text you as that would be unsafe, but I can call you. Without VM I can't leave a message so how long do I let it ring and how long do I wait before calling again? If I left a VM I'd wait for you to call me back.

    • Re:Makes sense (Score:5, Interesting)

      by goodmanj ( 234846 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:49AM (#49890259)

      There's this amazing etiquette change going on in America today, the idea that you need to contact someone first before you can have a real-time interaction with them. You can't just show up at someone's door, you have to call first. You can't just call, you need to text first. Someday soon, it'll be rude to text without first checking someone's Weibo status or some damn thing. Our great-grandparents would be baffled.

      • I think I just hate the phone in general. I would much rather type everything.

        So, I hate it when my phone rings. It's one of my coworkers interrupting me. But, my boss will send me an email and ask me to call her when I'm free. And then I'm wondering, "why can't you just call me? You're the damn boss!"

        I think I just hate the phone.

        • by sootman ( 158191 )

          > I think I just hate the phone in general. I would much rather type everything.

          Oh hell that is SO EFFING SLOW. If I text someone more than 3 or 4 times in a row it's because one of us is unable to speak. I watch people have 10- to 15-minute-long texting sessions with one person that could be settled with 2 or 3 minutes of actually talking. It's painful to watch.

        • I hate the phone because its synchronous. Everytime it rings its someone saying "HEY... YOU! Stop whatever you are doing and answer the phone because I want to talk to you right now."

          Texting is asynchronous. When my phone buzzes with a text its saying "Hey. When you have time there is a message here." much better.

          Voicemail... Well, if voicemail worked like texting I wouldnt mind it. But no. Instead of just glancing at my phone to see the latest text on the screen I have to unlock my phone, press the
      • by dissy ( 172727 )

        For me it isn't a matter of people must text before calling / leaving a voice mail, it is simply that how long and convenient to me it is to retrieve your message and process it in my idle cycles, the faster you will get a useful response.

        I can glance at a text message and begin processing it in a small number of seconds, so when ever I next have 5 seconds free or need to glance at my phone lock screen for other info (aka what time is it), I'll also check your text.

        But if you leave me a voice mail, that is

      • Re:Makes sense (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:54AM (#49890793)

        Our great-grandparents would be baffled.

        Actually, our great-grandparents often tended to be meticulous about sending (and acknowledging) invitations.

    • by N1AK ( 864906 )
      Not everyone has IM, not everyone who has IM is always at a PC, not everyone who has IM and is at a PC wants IM notifications popping up on their screen distracting them.

      Removing voicemail, rather than addressing its misuse seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There seem to be multiple situations in which voicemail provides value, especially when people are regularly away from a desk. I use Hullomail on my personal phone and it makes voicemail something I'm happy to use. If someone phones
      • Some workplaces ban IM completely, so pinging people ahead of time isn't even possible. Not to mention, I REALLY hate getting hit with an IM, because people expect an instant response to an IM. I don't always even have time to respond back. I could be in a meeting or away from my desk. Sometimes it will be an hour or two later before I can respond back "Yes, I'm available."
      • by pla ( 258480 )
        Not everyone has IM

        Everyone (relevant to this discussion) has email, though.
    • Sorry, but that's not how the phone worked before text messages, and it's still not how non-cellphones work now. (And yes, there are still lots of them, and lots of them still don't even have caller ID.) The call is the message. The receiver can suggest contact later, or in the old days hope that covering staff would pick up and take a message, which was replaced by letting the message go to voice mail . . . OH WAIT, that's the whole point, that people are discontinuing an important fallback/retry compon
  • by Scutter ( 18425 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:24AM (#49890095) Journal

    Obviously, submitter doesn't work in healthcare or legal fields. As much as I'd like to see that antiquated technology finally die, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

  • Fax Machines gone? (Score:5, Informative)

    by fallen1 ( 230220 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:39AM (#49890179) Homepage

    There are tens of thousands of fax machines and fax systems still in use today because, despite all of our technological advances, the fax machine is still the most secure way of delivering medical and legal documents between locations in a compact time frame.

    E-mail? Right out unless you're configured for encryption and getting all the companies you deal with to agree on, utilize, and understand how the encrypt/decrypt works is ... beyond Herculean in scope. In the medical field alone that would require suppliers, doctor's offices, HME/DME companies, hospitals, hospices, quick care/walk-in style facilities, pharmacies, and so on to all have a system that worked easily that everyone agreed on. Of course, that doesn't begin to take into account the MILLIONS of patients that just might want to communicate with you via e-mail.

    The legal field is just as bad - judges, courts, lawyers, public defenders, police departments, fire departments, etc, and clients of course.

    So, yeah, technology that has supposedly died usually is alive and well and the people who think it has died just work somewhere they don't have to deal with it.

    • Healthcare providers could easily use secure websites for communication, and many of them already do. But doctor IT skills match their legendary investment skills.

    • by Jawnn ( 445279 )

      There are tens of thousands of fax machines and fax systems still in use today because, despite all of our technological advances, the fax machine is still the most secure way of delivering medical and legal documents between locations, where one or both locations can't figure out anything more complicated than stick the papers in it and dial a phone number, in a compact time frame.

      TFTFY
      Internally, our company uses several different mechanisms for securely transferring sensitive documents, all of which are superior to fax in speed and reliability, but we interact with hundreds of other businesses that refuse to abandon this mid-last-century technology for the same job.

      • Internally, our company uses several different mechanisms for securely transferring sensitive documents, all of which are superior to fax in speed and reliability, but we interact with hundreds of other businesses that refuse to abandon this mid-last-century technology for the same job.

        Lost in all this bitching and complaining and casting aspersions on those who still use faxes is the answer to one simple question - why should they switch?

        Even though they're "last centuries technology", they're simple and s

  • Cell phones (Score:4, Insightful)

    by BitZtream ( 692029 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:41AM (#49890189)

    Great job at drawing retarded conclusions guys.

    Turning off desktop phone voicemail BECAUSE EVERYONE USES A CELL PHONE and has their office number forwarded to that anyway does not mean people aren't using voicemail.

    But hey, don't take the extra three seconds to ask why they were not using it or anything.

  • Recorded speech is slow, impossible to organize, and nearly unsearchable. If you're providing information to me verbally, you're wasting both my time and yours: just send me a copy of the data source you're reading from. If you're providing creative ideas, you should write those suckers down in an email or other document so they don't get forgotten or mis-attributed. If you're not calling to provide either information or creative ideas, you're not saying anything useful and I don't want to listen to your

    • by Attila Dimedici ( 1036002 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:52AM (#49890277)
      Except that most of the time when I leave a voicemail message, the information I am leaving is enough to give the person on the other end a starting point on the reason I called them and an idea about how urgent it is for them to get back to me. Generally, I am calling in the first place because the topic of conversation is one that requires a lot of back and forth that takes entirely too long to resolve when done in typed messages. If the reason for the call is urgent I will usually follow up with an email, IM, and text message (the last two depending on their availability with the person I am trying to reach).
      • Don't get me wrong, real-time voice is great for back-and-forth. But you can't do that by voicemail. All you can do is send a "we need to talk about X" ping. You say you're doing that with a followup email and text, which means the voicemail is redundant: all it's doing is forcing me to listen to you stutter for several minutes, verbally repeating a message I got with a quick glance at my phone an hour ago.

        • You missed the part where I only do the follow up email and text if it is urgent. The reason I do that if it is urgent is because some people get one or the other of those even when away from their phone.

          However, if it is not urgent, I don't waste my time typing the message. I can leave a voicemail in much less time than I can send a typed message and even if I couldn't, I am already connected on the phone so taking the time to open an email or text message to the person is time I would rather not spend.
    • The problem isn't even the recorded speech, but the tiresome spiel you have to wait through before you can leave the message. Yes, I've heard that I can "...press 1 for more options" a million times before, so why do I have to sit through it every time. I wonder if anyone has ever tallied up the nationwide man-hours people have wasted listening to that standard intro.

  • I'm loving voicemail now, I get the voicemail automatically transcribed and texted to me. I never have to call voicemail, and reading a text is super quick compared to listening to voicemail. Even google voicemail does this.

    • by RavenLrD20k ( 311488 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:42AM (#49890703) Journal

      Except when the majority of people you get a voicemail from has a sufficiently thick accent that transcription leaves an indecipherable jumble of words.

      "My car hill devil cream pewter shakes dawn under noticable with. Read line on palestine." is an actual transcription of a single sentence of a voicemail I received from a client. Allow me to relay what the customer actually said in the recording:

      "My goddamn computer shut down without notice and there's a red light on the power brick." (This turned out to be from a short that developed in the client's $3 powered USB hub that he got off ebay, for those interested.)

      My voicemail gets full of these types of transcriptions daily, and I frankly find them useless. Sometime's they'll be closer to where there's enough context that makes it through to decipher the message. Unfortunately, more often than not, the transcriptions are worse than the example I used. I've used both Sprint's offering for Visual Voicemail (on promo only...it wasn't worth paying for), and Google hangouts VV. Neither are worth having.

  • One thing I hate (Score:4, Insightful)

    by XxtraLarGe ( 551297 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:47AM (#49890245) Journal
    There's nothing more that I hate than coming into my cube & seeing the red light on my phone, which means I have a voice mail message. You have to call, enter your pin, and go through a menu to select listen to new messages, and then type/write down their number. I'd rather have people send me an e-mail instead. One good thing about Comcast phone service when we had it at home was it would convert it to text and send it to you via e-mail. I'd rather have that than deal with a voice mail message.
    • by N1AK ( 864906 )
      I like voicemail but I'll happily admit the standard process for accessing it is shit. I use Hullomail that effectively provides an inbox for voicemail. I can play, delete, forward messages as I wish immediately. I genuinely think half or more of the voicemail hate comes from the arduous process of accessing it, rather than its existence.
    • So what people are basically saying is, they don't want to do their job. Gotcha!
  • Ridiculous (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @08:51AM (#49890273) Journal

    The idea that voicemail is dead is asinine.

    I only have your phone number, and you don't answer (yes, I'm over 25, I actually call people on the phone), now what?

    Dumb fucking emo hipsters, the rest of the world doesn't live on Instagram.

    • by N1AK ( 864906 )
      Exactly. The one that really makes me laugh is the people who say they never answer the phone because they focus on priorities all the time. Great, but I do answer my phone except to people who consistently ignore my calls. Now, every time you need to get hold of me urgently you're shit out of luck. You can mail or message me, and you'll likely be waiting a while for a response because I don't monitor those in real time.
      • Even though I know it's petty, I do the same.

        Funny how those people are quick to escalate every fucking thing to the higher ups, though...

    • by Jawnn ( 445279 )

      The idea that voicemail is dead is asinine.

      I only have your phone number, and you don't answer (yes, I'm over 25, I actually call people on the phone), now what?

      Dumb fucking emo hipsters, the rest of the world doesn't live on Instagram .

      TFTFY
      ...and, no shit. Put down the iPhone, you little dorks and recognize that the world still communicates verbally, sometimes using a feature that your magic text box has actually had from the start. It's efficacy at communicating useful information larger than something like "lol" is unparalleled when compared to the other shitty input devices on mobile devices.

  • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @09:04AM (#49890387)

    Voicemail isn't really a problem. The problem is the traditional dial in interface for voicemail sucks sour frog ass. It's time consuming, irritating, badly designed and frankly from a bygone era. Dialing in to listen to a voicemail message is technology that we no longer need. Getting messages via voice is useful but the format and interface need to update to modern technology.

    I've been using a pair of systems (Google voice and one at work) which transcribe the voicemail, send it to you in an email with a recording and you can manage the calls though your computer or cell phone. I pretty much never actually listen to the voicemail because what I really care about is who called and roughly the topic of their call. Occasionally I listen to the actual message because the transcriptions usually read like a Mad-Lib but I can usually figure out the gist of the message.

    Fax machines on the other hand are just pointless. They need to go away. My company doesn't have one anymore and we don't miss it a bit.

  • Turning off voicemail is dumb. How are you supposed to get ahold of somebody who isn't available at that instant? About half the people who call my company looking for a rent house don't answer the phone when you attempt to call them or their voicemail hasn't been set up, or it is full. What am I supposed to do, keep calling them until they answer? No thank you, I will just call somebody else who actually answers their phone or has voicemail and rent the house to them instead.
    How do people get jobs if the
  • Just got a brand new Polycom IP phone system at work. It's fantastic. Web page setup and administration. Crystal-clear voice quality. All-digital hookup to the switch so voice quality is outstanding. Plus, in-network calls are handled by the VPN, so calls to any of our offices in the world are free, and dialing out to any phone number that's local to any office is a local call.

    Unless you're usually out of the office, I'm not sure why you'd want to sign up for insane monthly fees and bi-yearly upgrade costs

  • It all depends on your company and how they communicate, but I just cancelled a policy with a AAA agent last month because his office was 0/3 in returning voicemails. I had my policy redone with another office, where I get much better customer service.

    That being said, I deal exclusively with a troublesome student loans company by phone and voicemail - because by law I can record those conversations. Inflection, sarcasm, level of actual interest, country of origin of your telephone representative - all of

  • I had to check the calendar, but no - it's not the first of April. M$ has flagged Ask as malware, and some journalist has noticed that voicemail is a waste of time. Yay! [OAP happy dance]

    Two minutes to get through advertising and stupid menus to hear a distorted message from someone who's probably given up/trying to get through while you are trying to retrieve your voicemail, or woken up to the new thing called eeee-mail.

    Am I the only one whose voicemail message says "My phone is either off or out of range

  • by mishehu ( 712452 ) on Thursday June 11, 2015 @10:15AM (#49890993)
    I have to question those numbers. Perhaps if you're in the stone age paying for a voicemail per-seat license per year or something like that, sure. But you're still doing it wrong. Voicemail is pretty damn cheap to run and doesn't cost much in storage space either (look at those AMR sound files that some cellphone providers save their voicemails in that your Android phone then downloads).

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