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Want an IT Job? Add 'Cloud' To Your Buzzword List 187

jfruhlinger writes "There was a predicted uptick in IT hiring for late this year, but it's mid-November and it hasn't happened yet. Kevin Fogarty does see growth in one area, though: cloud and virtualization experts are being fought over, lured away from in-house jobs to cloud consultancies popping up everywhere."
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Want an IT Job? Add 'Cloud' To Your Buzzword List

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  • no I won't (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Adolf Hitroll ( 562418 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @04:21AM (#34265870) Homepage Journal

    I want an interesting job: administering java legoes written by computer idiots is not exactly a dream job.

  • by grasshoppa ( 657393 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @04:30AM (#34265910) Homepage

    I think it's important to define the word "Cloud" as no one else seems to, yet the definition itself lends great insight to the concept.

    The "Cloud", as referenced here, is nothing more than the delegation of responsibilities...specifically those of infrastructure. That's it. It's not some mystical cure all. In fact, it's nothing more than a glorified way to outsource applications.

    Now there are specific technologies which lend themselves to this concept ( those of virtualization, certainly ), but the overall goal is the same; the business doesn't want to worry about the infrastructure behind their app. They simply want it to work.

    Which is why internal "clouds" have always amused me to no end...

  • Re:no I won't (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 18, 2010 @04:37AM (#34265930)

    Sorry to break it to you, but most computer related jobs are quite boring. The low-level jobs anyway, like in any industry.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 18, 2010 @04:50AM (#34265988)

    I believe it's the latter, plus data mining.

    What better way to collect and sell valuable data than to have your customers entrust you with their confidential files and emails?

    If the company that does no evil does it, what about those who don't care about what's good or evil?

    I've also witnessed said "cloud" companies hold customer data ransom (ie, you cant just grab your files and go home, forget to pay the bills? bye bye data, and good luck pulling them out of some systems.)

    Remember everyone's fears in 2003 when it was suspected that microsoft and other companies would start charging you to access your own files and essentially control your data?

    Funny how that came true and people are buying the idea up, it just didnt happen to the desktop..

    yet. (Watch, windows 8 will become more "cloud" dependent) Soon your logins (unless joined to a domain) will be handled with a .Net passport and your documents will be synced on "the cloud" and if you dont pay for the cloud services, the local copies will become locked and will not be accessible otherwise due to being stored in a encrypted and DRM locked down file that mounts as a filesystem.

  • by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @05:07AM (#34266046)
    I can define the cloud for you. Cloud (noun) : The symbol used to indicate parts of the network that you have no knowledge of. Frequently used by people to describe external computer resources as a new concept when their knowledge of computers only extends back to 1998.
  • Re:To the Cloud! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by benjamindees ( 441808 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @05:09AM (#34266050) Homepage

    Running a remote desktop session for a single app that could just as well have been installed locally is pretty much the definition of "cloud computing" according to Microsoft.

  • Re:To the Cloud! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @05:10AM (#34266056)
    There is nothing to dilute. The cloud is the symbol used in network diagrams to symbolize parts of the network that you have not knowledge or control of. That is why it is called "cloud". Because it is not clear.
  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @05:35AM (#34266150) Journal

    Is that a bad thing not to want to worry about the infrastructure?

    Yes, it's a VERY VERY bad thing if your business and it's reputation relies on said infrastructure.

  • by Brian Quinlan ( 252202 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @05:56AM (#34266228) Homepage

    Is that a bad thing not to want to worry about the infrastructure?

    Yes, it's a VERY VERY bad thing if your business and it's reputation relies on said infrastructure.

    I agree. Which is why I would assume that your company manages the following infrastructure internally:

    • Power
    • Connectivity (data and voice both mobile and wired)
    • Transportation (you'd hate for your employees not to be able to get to work because the public roads are super-congested or otherwise unavailable)
    • Water (without working toilets your business is going to be in the crapper pretty quickly)
    • ...
  • buzzward savvy (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Sudheer_BV ( 1049540 ) <sudheer.zzz@sudhe e r .net> on Thursday November 18, 2010 @06:20AM (#34266298) Homepage
    If you are in the web hosting business, you have to have the word cloud on your website. Otherwise customers think you are living in the stone age. Whether you actually offer cloud services doesn't matter. But using the buzzwords matter a lot nowadays.
  • by joh ( 27088 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @06:31AM (#34266340)

    One very simple example: Do you have ever set up Google Apps for a domain, with email, contacts, calendar, Google sites and so on? Yeah, it's all in the cloud and all you have to do is clicking on buttons and filling out forms. Now go and look at some user trying to set this up. More likely than not he will get as far as configuring the MX-records and then he will cry for help.

    All this cloud stuff seems to be so simple, but it very much isn't. And yes, this actually is nothing a real pro would like to bother with (you'll be fighting more with the UIs than anything else) but there is high demand for this, people think they can finally get away without someone who knows what he does, but they can't.

    Most of this is in no way interesting or satisfying work but just fighting half-wit user interfaces. It's sometimes insulting, actually. Instead of really setting up things and controlling things you're hanging off someone else's setup and try to beat some sense out of it. It's often frustrating, you often will have to come to the conclusion that things you would like to do just can't be done because they're not offered and you can't do anything about that. But hey, it's just work.

    Me? I'd rather setup a full server park from scratch with old PCs and Linux than fighting the "cloud", but guess what's in demand more. And yes, there's a whole army of trained monkeys out there, knowing every cloud service under the sun and with superhuman point-and-click abilities, but if you really know your job and also know about problems and limitations you can still easily make some money with this. Fun is this not, though. Fun is making things, not using things.

  • by ArsenneLupin ( 766289 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @06:57AM (#34266426)
    All larger companies do have a "facilities management" department, which does at least some of these:
    • Power: they manage their own on-site power wiring. And UPS and (for some) even an onsite generating station (we have, and we even sell excess power to the grid)
    • Communication: they manage their office network and their PABX (to which both desk phones and company-issued DECT phones are connected. And many companies run a blackberry server)
    • Transportation: During winter, on-campus roads are gritted by the company, not by the commune. For foot travel between buildings, our company offers complimentary umbrellas :-) Within buildings there are elevators. And guess who built the parking lots, and the speed bumps on the access roads, and even the access roads themselves?
    • Water: On site water distribution is organized by the company. Some even have their own wells or storage ponds (think steel mills or others who need non-trivial quantities of water for cooling purpose)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 18, 2010 @07:56AM (#34266590)

    And referring to all those job ads asking for more years of experience in a certain tech than that the tech is around.

    Well, how else are companies supposed to hire H1-Bs?

  • by mcvos ( 645701 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @10:45AM (#34267692)

    No idea about WPF and WCF, but the others are pretty old, well-established technologies. They show you do exactly the same things that everybody else has been doing for quite some time now.

    If I want to hire a good Java programmer, I'd rather hire someone who also knows a bit of Scala, than someone who knows just Java. The Scala guy is more likely to be someone interested in new technologies, and more likely to be aware of new ways of doing stuff.

  • by musicalmicah ( 1532521 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @11:50AM (#34268588)

    And by the same token, smaller companies don't provide that infrastructure. This is exactly why "cloud computing" services are commonly targeted towards smaller companies. When you have three people in your office and a total budget of $500,000/year, buying and managing any infrastructure--for computing, power, communication, transportation, or water--can be daunting. Outsourcing management of these functions allows you and your employees to focus on your strengths.

    And despite what the business weeklies may pretend, a massive part of our economy flows through small businesses rather than megacorps with on-campus roads and storage ponds.

  • Re:no I won't (Score:3, Insightful)

    by nedwidek ( 98930 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @03:01PM (#34271858)

    My wife is in the same boat. She's currently enrolled in Innumeracy 201.

    "All it takes is a dollar and a dream."
    "Gotta be in it to win it."

    Great ads and they work better than the truth of: Have no bloody clue what a probability is.

  • Re:no I won't (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Thursday November 18, 2010 @03:13PM (#34272060) Homepage Journal
    "Great ads and they work better than the truth of: Have no bloody clue what a probability is."

    I know, I know.

    I heard it put once that the best definition of the lottery was: " A voluntary tax for those that can't do math".

    But when I buy $5 worth every once in awhile....it buys me about 2 days or so of daydreaming of what I'd do if I won all that money....

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