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The Real-World State of Windows Use 374

snydeq writes "Performance and metrics researcher Devil Mountain Software has released an array of real-world Windows use data as compiled by its exo.performance.network, a community-based monitoring tool that receives real-time data from about 10,000 PCs throughout the world. Tracking users' specific configurations, as well as the applications they actually use, the tool provides insights into real-world Windows use, including browser share, multicore adoption, service pack adoption, and which anti-virus, productivity, and media software are most prevalent among Windows users. Of note are the following conclusions: two years after Vista's release, not even 30 percent of PCs actually run it; OpenOffice.org is making inroads into the Microsoft Office user base; and despite the rise of Firefox, Internet Explorer remains the standard option for inside-the-firewall apps."
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The Real-World State of Windows Use

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  • by NoYob ( 1630681 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @08:07PM (#29373545)
    I use mostly Firefox but when I want to watch a movie on Netflix I have to use IE. The same with Netlibrary.

    At least Hulu lets me use Firefox.

  • by jasonwc ( 939262 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @08:15PM (#29373617)
    Netflix has upgraded to MS Silverlight which works on Firefox as well as IE. You have to upgrade to use Silverlight, though. Perhaps you are still using the old player.
  • Re:Legacy Software (Score:3, Informative)

    by Totenglocke ( 1291680 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @08:52PM (#29373869)
    I have a Presario F700 as well. At first I dealt with Vista, but eventually I got fed up and found drivers to install XP. I've been running Win 7 64-bit on it since February and it runs great.
  • by jasonwc ( 939262 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @09:18PM (#29374045)
    It may be possible at some point, but as of a few months ago, Moonlight did not support the features necessary to watch movies on Netflix.
  • by Achoi77 ( 669484 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @09:22PM (#29374069)
    It is impossible to do the most basic operations like:
    • Move a file over from one folder to another
    • Copy a file from one computer to another over the network
    • Cancel a file operation

    I had an install of World of Warcraft on my desktop computer. I pick up a new laptop, I figure it would be faster to copy the WoW install I have on my desktop to over to the laptop over the network. After about an hour of "calculating time" - I tried to cancel the operation. Frustrated at the length of time it took to simply cancel a file, I literally pulled the plug on both machines and powered them back up.

    After that I went to the Blizzard website on my laptop to download the client from there. And as for the add-ons, I zipped them up and mailed them to myself as an attachment, in order to save time.

    Both the laptop and desktop have Vista on it (came with the computer).

    Considering that companies usually have a central file server somewhere, imagine business workers trying to do basic file IO stuff, like copy word docs, spreadsheet files, or large .psd files from the Design Department.

    As long as you never have to manage files on your computer, and you have gobs of ram, Vista is a nice OS. If not, it's better to wait for an alternative. I've preordered my copies of 7 a few months back, and I can't wait for the goddamn day I get rid of this POS operation system.

    Then I can start streaming my music over the network to any machine in the house, once again.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @09:37PM (#29374169)

    FYI, I used to have the same issue, but now Netflix has a plug-in for Firefox, so you can go ahead and avoid using IE even more!

  • by YrWrstNtmr ( 564987 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @09:59PM (#29374295)
    In case you hadn't heard, the federal government has basically banned IE

    Which federal govt? Not the US.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @10:21PM (#29374439)

    That's right. I said it. You are all statistical asshats!!

    For a population of 3B and confidence interval of 5% you need a sample size around 400. 10,000 is enough for a near 1% confidence interval. Even assuming this isn't random you still get a fairly good approx. of what happens in general.

  • by markov_chain ( 202465 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @10:33PM (#29374533)

    Heh. Any full blooded Croatian will tell you that Croatia is 1300 years old. Or, if you wanted to split hairs, 1100-- the first king was crowned in 925.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @10:41PM (#29374589)

    I work at NASA. We got a message from the higher-ups that we are not to use IE unless absolutely necessary. It may be agency-specific for us, but all our payroll apps and stuff work in Firefox.

  • by bursch-X ( 458146 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @11:27PM (#29374825)

    Yes of course it's an old country, because it's not like it popped into existence out of nowhere suddenly 20 years ago. There's a ton of history that happened to the same people living there and while governments might change and even constitutions that doesn't mean that the country ceases to exist

    Or are you going to argue that Egypt is only 87 years old? Let's just not look at the Pyramids, because they didn't exist 87 years ago? I find it even more impressive that they knocked up those suckers in such a short time, didn't they?

    Only Britain morphed into its current state still being a constitutional monarchy, while other constitutional monarchies in Europe (Denmark, Sweden, Spain) did what?

    Got sucked into the vaults of history through a dimensional gate, just to be popping out of nowhere with a different population, and a constitution written from scratch? Total bullocks. That's just a very twisted way of making up for your inferiority complex due to lack of history as a country. Get over it. Being older doesn't make you better and being a younger nation doesn't either.

    And yes there also is Switzerland, a democracy much older than yours. Just to mention.

  • Re:Representative? (Score:2, Informative)

    by war4peace ( 1628283 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2009 @11:45PM (#29374927)
    Oh but I do understand statistics. And never in the discussed article is there a mention of these machines being randomly picked. By comparing numbers, I merely pointed out that no matter the size, if you have a closed or partly closed environment, you would end up having inconsistent or misleading statistics. So we kind of agree :) Let's talk random samples. If all slashdotters would install a piece of monitoring software that would mine site usage statistics, the charts will likely point out Slashdot.org as one of the most visited website of all. The exo.performance.network tool is "a community-based monitoring tool" - therefore it's not a random sample. Wakoopa.com still doesn't offer a random sample, although much larger considering its user base (which again, doesn't really matter). And yes, I understand your point, if you have a random sample of over 10,000 units, confidence is great. But what I am questioning here is: how do you make sure that's a random sample? Where's the borderline between "this IS a random sample" and "this is NOT a random sample"? Jumping back to my company, if I would tell you that my tool monitors 170K+ machines from all around the world (which is true) but forget to mention that all those machines belong to the same company, would you trust my random sample? I bet you would. Website's main page says "enables InfoWorld readers to monitor system, process, and network performance" - InfoWorld readers might have a lot more in common than employees from my company :) Then again, they may not. But none of us is SURE about either case.
  • Re:Spyware (Score:2, Informative)

    by BrokenHalo ( 565198 ) on Thursday September 10, 2009 @12:45AM (#29375177)
    When they sell your info it's spyware
    When they post it on slashdot it's a community-based monitoring tool


    Maybe so. But you could think about it this way: The survey is only of Windows systems because those are the only ones insecure enough to run the software. Or Windows users are so habituated to spyware that one more such program won't make any difference.

    *ducks*

    Seriously, though, all TFA really tells us is that Windows users don't upgrade their software much, and mostly buy brand-name machines on a list headed by Dell. Nothing that any of us couldn't have surmised from a quick glance around any university or public library. Nothing to see here, move on...
  • by swilly ( 24960 ) on Thursday September 10, 2009 @01:06AM (#29375271)

    It's kind of funny. On NIPRNET Internet Explorer is the standard and its almost impossible to get Firefox loaded, but on SIPRNET you can use either and on JWICS Firefox is the preferred browser. The higher the classification of the network the more Firefox friendly things are. I suspect this is because non-Windows machines such as Linux, Solaris, and even VMS (almost, but not quite extinct) are much more common at higher classification levels but unheard of at unclassified levels.

  • Re:Legacy Software (Score:2, Informative)

    by izomiac ( 815208 ) on Thursday September 10, 2009 @02:41AM (#29375537) Homepage

    10,000 PCs is a small sample size, try a few million. You might have a sampling error there if they are not randomly picked.

    I think you misunderstand the details of sampling a population. If the 10,000 PCs were randomly selected then that provides a 99% confidence interval of +/- 1% for 3 billion computers (my random guess of the number of computers in the world). So if it says Vista is on 30% of computers, there's a 99% chance the true percentage is between 29-31%. Therefore, it's an excessively huge sample size.

    Of course, these PCs are not randomly picked at all, so that nullifies any validity the sampling had.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10, 2009 @02:49AM (#29375567)

    Oh my, so much ignorance in one post.

    - A kingdom is a country.

    Just a few examples, go find a history book (or heck, abuse wikipedia) to find out more:

    - France: 843
    - Italy: 1861
    - Luxembourg: 1815
    - Netherlands: 1581/1648
    - Great Britain & Ireland: difficult to answer; 1603 (real)/1707 (formal) for England & Scotland; 1801 adds Ireland
    - Denmark: 8th to 10th century
    - Norway: 872
    - Greece: 1830
    - Portugal: 868, 1095, 1139/1143
    - Spain: 1516 (or 1716 if you want to be nitpicking)
    - Sweden: 1523
    - Finland: 1809, 1917/1918
    - Austria: 1156 or 1955

    - United States: (1776)/1787/1789

    Or are you going to try to argue that, for instance, Croatia is an old country, even though it didn't exist only 20 years ago?

    It's not an old state (or nation if you want), but it sure is an old country. The USA is a total newcomer.

    "A European thinks 100 kilometres is a long distance, but only an American thinks 100 years is a long time."

    You're blessed with ignorance, really. The US's situation is pretty much unique, you never had to contend with limited space and invasions.

  • I know I'm probably going to get modded down for this, but what the hell. I've got lots of karma.

    Gray is the new black.
  • by petermgreen ( 876956 ) <plugwash@nOSpam.p10link.net> on Thursday September 10, 2009 @04:38AM (#29376027) Homepage

    Here is a map of europe in 1900 http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www1.aucegypt.edu/faculty/sedgwick/Map/EU1914.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www1.aucegypt.edu/faculty/sedgwick/Map/MapEU1900.html&usg=__I3nXzblc67kO1q7FyiGeG2wkQlY=&h=572&w=900&sz=174&hl=en&start=54&um=1&tbnid=CA8Y22lbGiNirM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=146&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmap%2Bof%2Beurope%2B1914%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26client%3Diceweasel-a%26rls%3Dorg.debian:en-GB:unofficial%26sa%3DN%26start%3D36%26um%3D1 [google.com]

    The western end is very recognisable, the borders may have moved a little but the countries are in pretty much the same places as they are today.

    What has mostly changed afaict is that the east end of germany and the west end of russia have been pushed back and there are now a load of small countries in the gap.

  • by MrMr ( 219533 ) on Thursday September 10, 2009 @05:50AM (#29376299)
    After having travelled the US and the EU extensively I can now inform you that the US bureaucracy wins hands down.
    The amount of forms and signatures needed to conduct even the simplest actions is totally hallucinogenic.
    Case in point: I recently flew in to Brussels, and we had a group of American tourists on board who needed to be reassured be the airline staff that they didn't need to sign any forms, or deposit any money or fingerprints to be allowed to enter the country...

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