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Inside Apple's Leopard Server OS 133

An anonymous reader writes "Mac expert John Welch, author of the widely read OS X versus Vista comparison, delves into Apple's Leopard Server OS. He and Information week have on offer a deep dive into what's known so far about OS X Server 10.5, which will be showcased at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference in June. Welch weighs in on Leopard's iCal, Wiki, file, Quicktime, and mail services, along with Xgrid 2, Open Directory 4, and 64-bit capabilities. What does it all add up to? His assessment: Apple probably isn't aiming at 'big' enterprises; just the same, Leopard Server is shaping up to be a great SMB (small and mid-sized business) product. Welch writes: 'For about a thousand bucks on existing hardware, or for the cost of an Xserve, you get a really solid server, able to support Web services, collaboration, groupware, IM, and file services. You can run it with its own directory service, or as part of an Active Directory implementation out of the box. It provides some features that due to pricing and/or setup requirements, have traditionally been reserved for big enterprises — in particular clustering of both email and calendaring servers.'"
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Inside Apple's Leopard Server OS

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @09:14AM (#18500199)
    Still looking for the "maximize" button when your Mac has "zoom" instead? Take the hint, switcheurs: If you can't deal with multiple windows at once, GTFO of our platform. The Mac wasn't designed for one-track minds.
  • by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @09:50AM (#18500581)
    Okay here's my comparison.
    If you are going to have anything less than 20 computers, and you actually have a bussiness in which time is valuable and you don't have IT-class people with time on their hands, then Linux is insanley expensive to maintain. Get the apple even if the cost per node is higher.

    Okay now you say you have 50 to 100 nodes. most of these are behind a cluster router so don't have to be locked down. They all don't have to be running services or what they do run is identical. Well then get Linux. There's zero need to get the apple cost per node. And to boot they will probably reun just a tad faster since you can strip out all those services you don't need. At 100 nodes, having a machine run 10% faster is like 10 extra nodes, so it's worth the optimization at that level of use.

    People who claim different, must consider their time has no value, the risk to their bussniess from uncertainty about the patch level of their system has no value, or they have free access to high level sys admin.

  • Re:So (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @09:53AM (#18500635)
    I manage the modest network of a facility with 900 Macs and 120 WinPcs, 1800 users, 3 mail servers, 2 webservers, etc. All servers except one anti-virus server and one Linux mail server, are Mac Xserve running Tiger 10.4 server. All the computers are in a single OpenDirectory domain with all users, including Windows users, authenticating off OpenDirectory. All have roaming home directories which users can access from Macs or PC, managed printer and workstation access... The fact is, we use OS=X server because we have easier fine grain control over desktop applications and resource acces than we do from Windows servers. We find the Mac servers very adequate for our needs. The management software is superb and much more logical than Server 2003 and older and far more coherent and centralized than I have seen so far Linux or BSD

    It takes one full time person to run the network and maintain the network and computers, largely due to Apple's remote desktop and net boot reimaging services and the fact that all the Macs can run off two install images: one for Intel, one for PPC. The WinPCs take roughly twice the maintenance time per cpu than the Macs largely be cause of differing drivers.

    Oh.. The facility is a public k-12 school. Mac server are also very common in colleges, law offices, large and medium printing companies, greeting card companies, scientific research, and newspapers.
  • by larkost ( 79011 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @10:02AM (#18500755)
    I think that there is a very flawed perception in your argument. You are correct that Apple does not reveal "everything" about new products before unveiling, and with some products (especially new ones) they are absolutely secretive.

    But I think it is a common mistake in industry to think that you can do better planning based on the information from any vendor other than Apple (in the Steve Jobs Era). If you take Windows Vista vs. 10.5 as an example:

    Microsoft has been touting features of Vista for years now, but if you take a look at the list of those features, and the ones that businesses were planning on building on, you would have been completely mislead as recently as 9 months ago. WinFS (database based file system) was arguably the killer feature that everyone was planning on. And we don't know when and if that will be delivered. And if you are really one of those planners who needs to know the future, then you would know that this feature was originally on the plan for Cario, which was Windows 95.

    So Microsoft has been giving out information all along, but you can't rely on that information at all. Sure they have had a beta program going for quite some time... but we are talking about long-term planning here. The people who make those plans do not have time or inclination to play with those betas.

    Now Apple on the other hand: I was at WWDC last year, and so got to see a lot of the new API's that Apple was working on, and I got to see a lot of the demonstrations of technologies that will be in 10.5. There are a whole number of technical-level details that Apple gave out, the type of things that are very important for programmers, and systems integrators. I got a great idea of how 10.5 will fit into my employer's network (even better than 10.4).

    I didn't get to see the wiz-bang super-secret features that are still secrets, but to be honest, those aren't things I have to plan for until 9 months after 10.5 comes out anyways. The things I need to know to do my planning or programming Apple has made available to me (granted not for free), and the stuff that it would be cool to know, but I don't need to know to get my job done they still have behind the curtain.

    And the stuff I saw I know will make it into 10.5 (unless the specifically told me it was on the bubble). Apple has a great track record with that. The stuff they didn't know if they could pull off correctly was excluded from public view. In my mind that helps me make the right decisions, rather than lead me to false expectations.
  • by Frumious Wombat ( 845680 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @10:43AM (#18501271)
    And what's wrong with an XServe in the SMB space? RAID'd disks, or use the XServe RAID (or any other disk cabinet) externally, redundant power, space and power efficient design. If you need something to live with the office, then a MacPro, comparable in price to a PC of the same class, does the same job at the cost of more physical space. I've run academic sites that would qualify as small business computing (15 to 50 users, central storage and print, independent desktops running common environment), and we would have considered $3500 for the base machine, plus another $3500 for disks and a tape backup quite acceptable. I built a few of those machines, and after fighting the heat and support issues, bought the $3500 machines from HP and IBM which are still in service, years after I've departed. When i talked to the group, they haven't had a service call in on them yet, either, just like after being run hard for three years (I do HPC, so most of the machines run 24/7 doing heavy floating point and thrashing the disks with several gig scratch files) I haven't made a call on any of my XServes.

    I and others have said this before; real businesses buy real hardware with real service contracts, because their data is worth more than the marginal cost of the cheapest machine they can find at NewEgg. The price difference between the $1500 machine that you're demanding, and the existing $2500 machine that they sell, is minimal, and can be written off on taxes.
  • by kellererik ( 307956 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @11:05AM (#18501551)

    real businesses buy real hardware with real service contracts, because their data is worth more than the marginal cost of the cheapest machine they can find at NewEgg.

    You are absolutely right, in a perfect world, that is. A friend of mine constantly fights with his customers for this very reason. They buy cheap hardware and expect him to make it work, he could simply refuse to do so, but he has to eat, you know. The latest case had even me wondering, though. A medium-sized business wasn't willing to pay for an Xserve, but went with a Mac Pro instead. They are located in an area with exceptionally bad powerlines (If I would work there, I would refuse from connecting a desklamp without an UPS, that bad, really), the didn't want buy another UPS, so the Mac Pro runs unprotected, dies from time to time or mangles up the cyrus database. Guess who gets blamed?

    Again, you are perfectly right, in theory. Educating customers shopping at NewEgg and the like for hardware to be used professionally puts a heavy burden on every consultant.

    my 2 cents
  • Re:Linux (Score:2, Informative)

    by 605dave ( 722736 ) on Tuesday March 27, 2007 @11:33AM (#18501911) Homepage
    Absolutely you could be running QTSS Streaming Server on a Linux box. Apple open sourced the code several years ago under the name Darwin Streaming Server. It is licensed under the Apple Open Source License [apple.com], and is available from the Apple Developer Connection [apple.com].
  • by rizzo320 ( 911761 ) on Wednesday March 28, 2007 @05:27PM (#18520777)
    Oh please. You have no understanding of how Apple Care works.

    1. I have never spoken with anyone located outside of the United States during AppleCare's normal business hours. Ever. I just had to call last week, and got someone speaking English, and during our conversation, it sound like they were located on the West Coast. I think one time I called after normal hours and was routed to Ireleand. But never to India. I don't even think they have a call center in India [businessweek.com] any longer.

    2. AppleCare [apple.com] provides on site support for all customers with desktops. For laptops, you have the option of going to an Apple Authorized service center (which includes an Apple Store, if you have one) or mailing your laptop into Apple. No one is forcing you to wait in line at the Apple Store behind grandma.

    3. Since this entire article is about Mac OS X Server, it would be good to note the extended service plans Apple offers under AppleCare for Mac OS X Server [apple.com], which provides different levels of enterprise type support for Mac OS X Server products. A small or medium size business could subscribe to this service if needed.

    Thanks for trolling. Have a nice day.

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