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Microsoft Responds to DOT Ban on Vista, Office, IE 218

roscoetoon writes "From the blog of Mary Jo Foley: What's Microsoft's response to the DOT's charges? A corporate spokeswoman sent this statement, via e-mail: (caution: microbrain double-speak ahead) ... "We respect the customer's decision. As with any of our other Federal customers, it's our job to help DOT maximize the value of its Enterprise Agreement through the adoption of our technology. We are engaged with large, strategic customers across government at every level, and are working closely with them on these products through their participation in our Technical Adoption Programs.""
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Microsoft Responds to DOT Ban on Vista, Office, IE

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  • by Whiney Mac Fanboy ( 963289 ) * <whineymacfanboy@gmail.com> on Thursday March 08, 2007 @01:20AM (#18272584) Homepage Journal

    "Windows Vista, Office 2007, and IE7 are widely recognized by independent analysts to offer dramatic improvements in security, management features, new collaboration capabilities and productivity enhancements.
    That's UAC, Ribbons & (still) broken CSS respectively ;-)
  • Really? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zappepcs ( 820751 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @01:31AM (#18272670) Journal
    FTFA: "Windows Vista, Office 2007, and IE7 are widely recognized by independent analysts to offer dramatic improvements in security, management features, new collaboration capabilities and productivity enhancements. Ultimately we think we can help DOT understand how these products can help its enterprise organization.

    Q: When did MS start using truly independent analysts? Would that part of the statement be necessary if they had no reputation for using paid shills?

    FTFA: "As DOT goes through the natural process of exploring the new capabilities of these products we expect they will continue to embrace Windows and Office as the departmental standard of DOT.

    Q: Doesn't she mean that "they will eventually be forced to once again drink the koolaid?"

    FTFA: "Overall our government customers are excited about the technology as well as our product pipeline.

    Q: Does anyone else remember that old Chinese curse? "May your life be exciting!"

    FTFA: Just last week more than 500 Public Sector CIOs from across the country joined us for our annual US Public Sector CIO Summit.

    - 500 guests for free food and drink and hopefully cheaper software != 500 new customers.

    FTFA: The Summit offered these CIOs to see firsthand how Microsoft is working to be a strategic partner to government and educational institutions of every size."

    - They obviously didn't spend much time on all the govt. agencies, schools, even countries that are not interested in using MS products anymore. A sales pitch is a sales pitch. I hope they got some good swag!
  • Translation... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by doormat ( 63648 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @01:31AM (#18272672) Homepage Journal
    We got their money because they're on a subscription. So we really dont care what they do. Random PR speak about how great our stuff is anyways.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 08, 2007 @01:51AM (#18272824)
    Speaking as one of the CIO's in attendance at that event, I was not impressed. Seeing windows try to look like a mac is a wonderful step forward as they embrace the user instead of the function but the UAC is just ridiculous. I can bet less than 20% of our employees will even look at those popups before clicking on anything that makes it go away.
  • Re:Translation... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cmacb ( 547347 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @02:19AM (#18272972) Homepage Journal
    Alternate translation:

    "it's our job to help DOT maximize the value of its Enterprise Agreement through the adoption of our technology. We are engaged with large, strategic customers across government at every level,"

    really means:

    It's our job to sabotage this in any way possible, but we haven't adopted a strategy just yet. If necessary we will go to your boss, or your boss's boss, including, if necessary our many opportunities to influence the law in our favor.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117328195388829568 .html?mod=djemTECH [wsj.com]
  • Re:Well... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by drsmithy ( 35869 ) <drsmithy@gmail. c o m> on Thursday March 08, 2007 @03:17AM (#18273216)

    See above for my comments on stability and usability. Also, Mac OS X, Linux, Solaris and to a lesser extent, AIX are all very real competition.

    Now you're just trolling. In what market of any consequence (or inconsequence for that matter) are Solaris and AIX (AIX, for fuck's sake) competitors for Windows Vista ?

    Think about this for a moment: Sun Microsystems banned word processors and presentation programs in many of their divisions in 2000. They told employees to use text editors and use HTML if they needed formatting. They saw a 30% rise in productivity. Office suites reduce productivity because the users are fooling around with presentation when they should be tinking about content.

    Link ?

  • Embarassed? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ichbineinneuben ( 1065378 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @03:19AM (#18273240)
    How can they say things like this with a straight face? Saying they "respect the customer's decision" then following it up by saying it's their job to foist Windows on them regardless? Where's the respect in that? Whatever else this statement may mean, it disrespects the intelligence of any reader.
  • by FractalZone ( 950570 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @03:28AM (#18273292) Homepage
    Heck, even Intel, whom Microsoft laudes as a partner in embracing Vista has publicly stated that they, as a corporation, will not even install Vista on their computers until after SP1 is released...

    Intel has been around longer than Micro$loth. Intel has been truly technologically innovative at several times --- something Micro$loth has never really accomplished often. M$ is desperate to have its buggy bloatware bundled on all new x86/x64 platforms from major vendors, and has been trying hard to distance itself from specific hardware platforms via MSIL produced by its latest compilers such as VB and C#. All Intel/AMD need to due to put a major hurt on M$ is to release a new CPU spec that offers significant performance/feature improvements but does not cater to M$'s MSIL scheme. In other words, it is possible to design a CPU/GPU combo that works best when apps deal with it at the bare metal level as opposed to some crappy, contrived M$ level. I wonder if some flavor of Linux will get big enough to cause development of such a non-x86 chip set that is nonetheless capable of emulating x86 processors at reasonable speed.

    If Intel/AMD could convince the Dells, HPs/Compaqs, Gateways of the world that they have a free OS & major app solution that does not involve Micro$loth, but produces as good or better real world business results using FOSS, M$ would be SOL. That would be a Good Thing(tm)!

    It is easy to design good hardware that M$ buggy bloatware won't work with well, but that supports Linux/Unix extremely well -- just optimize the CPU/GPU in a way that .NET was never designed for. M$ would take another decade to catch/buy up the tech it needed to stay competitive.
  • Re:Watch out (Score:5, Insightful)

    by theshowmecanuck ( 703852 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @04:10AM (#18273520) Journal
    I'm not sure if anyone should have marked this funny. It seems so close to what is likely to happen that it should be marked insightful (but only because there is no category titled "scary as hell").
  • Re:Well... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by haraldm ( 643017 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @05:00AM (#18273732)

    Further, Office 2k7 has similar improvements which allow you to get more things done quicker.


    I have been waiting for this to happen since I used Word 5.5 on DOS. With every release, M$ have been promising "this time, we did it right", and Word 2003 just doesn't cut it. Most of the time when I open a .doc file, it sits and does obscure things before showing me the document, independent on how small the file is. I'm currently working on a 24-page document with 3 or 4 embedded PNG images, and scrolling through the document is plain annoying. This is on XP Pro SP2 on a Thinkpad T43 with a 1.6 GHz Pentium M with 1 GB of RAM. Hello?

    So far, nothing to write home about.

  • Re:Astroturf? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by livewire98801 ( 916940 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @06:21AM (#18274130)
    Hey now, that's not very nice to those of us in the Seattle area that don't pray to Lord Gates and Lord Ballmer. . . I find it amusing that about half the billboards I see have Microsoft ads on them. The number has increased since Vista's launch, but even the Zune billboards are everywhere. Even in their home court, Microsoft is playing Defence in this quarter.

    Since the modding is definatley pro-MS on /. today, I'll prolly burn in karma hell for this, but oh well. . .
  • Re:Translation... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ocbwilg ( 259828 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @06:32AM (#18274194)
    Actually, the statement:

    As with any of our other Federal customers, it's our job to help DOT maximize the value of its Enterprise Agreement through the adoption of our technology.

    Means:

    What do we care? They have an Enterprise agreement, which means they're paying us the same annual fee whether they decide to take advantage of their upgrade rights or not. Eventually they'll get onboard and move to Vista and Office 2007, and after that they'll move to whatever we ship next.
  • by pointbeing ( 701902 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @08:30AM (#18274764)
    I work for an agency under DoD. Vista, OFfice 2007 and IE7 are also verboten here.

    Government geels in decisiomaking capacity don't get into beta programs and it's easier to ban a software package than learn how to support it.
  • by frogstar_robot ( 926792 ) <frogstar_robot@yahoo.com> on Thursday March 08, 2007 @08:58AM (#18274914)
    The "Linux Discount Tactic" works because Linux is (like it or not) a credible and possible alternative to Windows. A Linux switchover doesn't necessarily have to be cheap or easy or even make everybody ecstatically happy when it is done. It simply has to be possible to get work done. If sufficient effort didn't make a Linux deployment possible then MS wouldn't take it seriously when customers announce a switch.

    MS really doesn't dare call such a bluff. The reverse is also true: Don't threaten MS with a Linux switch unless you're prepared to follow through with it.
  • by Mycroft_514 ( 701676 ) on Thursday March 08, 2007 @11:55AM (#18276860) Journal
    We have a total ban on those same products here. And we are a fortune 10 company.

    As for home use, I looked at the upgrade path. I ran the checkout program provided by Microsoft. It tells me: Both printers not supported, both scanners not supported, my external hard drive (160GB) not supported, and elements of my LAN not supported.

    In follow up, I have tracked down that for 1 scanner and both printers, the vender (HP) has ALREADY declared they will NOT be releasing updated drivers. The other scanner, I have to upgrade the software for (Nikon). The other items I have no word on yet.

    Also, I have a Laptop with 2GB of memory and that isn't enough to run Vista well? WTF? And looking at the new feature list from MS. I don't want them wasting all that memory on the file search process. Nor do I want the DRM, so what exactly is Vista giving me besides grief?

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