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Google Talk Available Early 897
smash writes "Google's new IM service is already live. All you need is a Jabber-compatible Instant Messaging client (such as Apple's iChat, or gaim), and a GMail address." This should answer, at least in part, all of the speculation that has been flying around the net over the last couple of days. Update: Many users have been eager to let us know that Google Talk in indeed live.
Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Er, is that one http://tomorrow.google.com/ [google.com] ?
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Any number of PHDs will be fevorishly amending their projects to fit into this new domain.
The stock price is going to rocket based on yet more speculation of features and we will have even less reason to leave google.
All because you made a first post joke.
Congratulations.
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Now where is group search? (Score:4, Interesting)
said Reid Hoffman, the founder of two Internet ventures, including LinkedIn, a business networking Web site popular among Silicon Valley's digerati. "It's largely that they're hiring up so many talented people, and the fact they're working on so many different things. It's harder for start-ups to do interesting stuff right now."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/technology/24val ley.html?pagewanted=2 [nytimes.com]
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Hey, now there's a service I'd like to see from Google: search web sites from the future. That would put an end to all of this tiring speculation on what new service they'll think up next.
Come to think of it, they could incorporate the technology into other parts of the side. Why present a list of results when you can search the future logs to find out which result I'm going to click and take me straight there.
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Google Tomorrow's mission is to organize the future and make it universally accessible and useful. When you, a Slashdot user, visit tomorrow.google.com, you'll be able to find information about your future love and careers; search through more than three billion girls and find that you will be alone for the rest of eternity; then peruse the world's largest archive of future jobs -- that have all been outsourced to India dating back to 1995.
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Google tomorrow? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Whats the point? (Score:5, Insightful)
In my opinion, using jabber in a mainstream IM client (ie, one that is going to be used by joe schmoe and susy ann in jr. high keyboarding class while the teacher isn't looking) is a dramatic step forward.
Google is competing head on with the services that yahoo, aol, and msn provide. Only they are doing it using open standards, and allowing 3rd party clients. From my perspective, this is equivilent of Google putting the rest on notice:
"Look, we aren't going to let you rape your users anymore. We are going to do what you do... Properly."
I think this is a great step forward. Sure, you might think it is a waste of time in the long run.. and you might be right. But something like this NEEDED to be done in order to get the other IM services to play fair. Everyone already knows that the other services would have never opened their protocols without something like this coming forward. The rest will be required to follow suit or bail out of the business. (you may not see it now, but it is coming.. just watch)
Gmail (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Gmail (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Gmail (Score:5, Insightful)
Its a method of 'verifying' users by having other users verify them (by making the service invite-only.) Its more secure than say, having to enter the text from some obscured image (which can be done en masse by paying somebody probably something small.)
So yes, at this point, anybody who really wants a gmail account has one, but spammers have largely been shut out.
Re:Gmail (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't get it. Why couldn't a spammer beg for an account like everyone else? Once they get in, they get 50 invites and create 50 more accounts (and repeat). I suppose they could track who invited whom and watching the parents and children of known spam accounts.
Re:Gmail (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Gmail (Score:3, Interesting)
Done! And if anyone else wants one, reply to this thread, too.
Do it yourself invites (Score:3, Informative)
https://www.google.com/accounts/SmsMailSignup1 [google.com]
Wow! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Gmail (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Gmail (Score:5, Interesting)
The SVG part isn't important (I was never really clear why they picked this format over any other vector format...) but the idea was pretty cool. With yourself at the center you could see who was near you in the social structure of the network, and who they were closely associated with, etc.
I never used the service long or heavily enough to develop a very robust social network (and not enough of my friends used it to make a very good model of the real world) but this is not so with email. Practically everyone I know, with the exception of a few older or particularly Luddite relatives, I've emailed at one point or another.
It would be neat to have a program that scanned your email archives (with Gmail this wouldn't be too hard, since all mail is retained in the archive unless manually deleted) and constructed a social network from it. If I were going to design it, I'd make "closeness" be the frequency of emails, and the angular separation between two people who both talk to a third based on the number of shared keywords in their emails. That way you'd end up with all your business associates off in one direction (say all radiating away from you within a few degrees of each other) but your family, with whom you probably use few words in common with your business emails, in a different direction entirely.
If the program could scan people's emails recursively -- assuming they were all on Gmail and had suitably large archives of email -- you could create a pretty neat social model that would actually be reflective of the real world.
Of course, the privacy issues surrounding something like that would be gigantic. People get all creeped out by Gmail scanning emails and then presented targeted advertising...I doubt they'd tolerate a system that scanned all their archived email in order to produce a graphical model, even if it was semi-anonymous.
Re:Gmail (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Gmail (Score:5, Interesting)
FEIC (Score:4, Funny)
huh? (Score:5, Funny)
Now spy on your friends! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Now spy on your friends! (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Now spy on your friends! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Now spy on your friends! (Score:4, Informative)
From the Privacy Policy [google.com]:
"We do not store any of the content of your text or voice communications in our logs."
So no.
ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:5, Insightful)
Google, if you're listening, please please please make authentication and encryption the default with your new messaging service! Please! I'm stuck on campus all day, and I've got non-tech friends who refuse to use GAIM with GAIM-encrypt!
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:5, Informative)
If you RTFA, you will see that talk.google.com requires TLS to connect. TLS is basically SSL, with negotiation for clients that don't support SSL. However without enabling TLS you will not be allowed to connect to Google Talk Server.
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:4, Informative)
Definitely worth a try if you value your privacy and don't want every rag, tag and bobtail reading your IM conversations with people.
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:5, Interesting)
Thats the whole point (Score:5, Insightful)
What would they try to sell you if all they saw was an encrypted stream?
Re:Thats the whole point (Score:5, Funny)
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:5, Funny)
Don't you dare use me to connect. I have limited enough bandwidth as is.
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:3, Informative)
Just do a search for "public key infrastructure" (PKI).
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:3, Interesting)
It's a bit of a toss-up
The only thing I can think of, since it uses your gmail account as a login, is integration with your gmail address book -- but then ya
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember the days back when Prodigy users couldn't email AOL users, and you coudln't email either from a university "internet email"
That is where we are now with IM.
Imagine if back then someone was whacky enough to make an email client which required an account from every major provider in order to email your friends, rather than simply everyone moving to the official smtp and mime standards.
That is where we are now with IM.
Google having an IM service should give the critical mass necessary to jabber for other IM services to investigate, and finally use it (at least bridged).
I yearn for the day when I have only 1 IM ID. People who like yahoo can use their client and YIM ID, people who run their own jabber server can use whatever client they want, etc. Hell, they can even run propriatary video conferencing/etc which require their own software for all I care as long as I can do simple messaging with anyone on any service.
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:4, Insightful)
Consolidation (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Consolidation (Score:5, Informative)
Re:ugh, throw it on the heap... (Score:3, Informative)
And you can use any e-mail client to access gmail without seeing the the ad words.
Eh (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.miranda-im.org/ (Score:3, Informative)
It supports AIM, ICQ, Jabber, IRC, MSN and maybe some others.
Re:http://www.miranda-im.org/ (Score:4, Insightful)
Now if only I could figure out how to put on these damn pants. I can never seem to get them past my shoulders...
OK (Score:5, Funny)
Will they release an office suite?
Will they release a browser?
Will they release a line of refrigerators?
Will they purchase Oracle?
Will they purchase Uruguay?
Will they hire Stallman?
Will they hire Ballmer?
Will they hire Peter Griffin?
I sure as hell don't know, but I'm sure I'll hear about it constantly on GashDot. Um... I mean Slashoogle. Er, that is... Slooshdot. Eh, fuck it.
Re:OK (Score:3, Interesting)
They could make a google branded open office.
Will they buy oracle? No 'cause its not open source.
Re:OK (Score:3, Funny)
Not until they buy it... muhahahaha!
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
Re:OK (Score:3, Funny)
Great News! (Score:3, Interesting)
Google spellchecking (Score:5, Funny)
ok, the server works (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:ok, the server works (Score:3, Insightful)
Made Clear? (Score:5, Interesting)
smash's world: I'm almost slashdotted right now! (Score:5, Informative)
I'm on Google Talk right now.
Google Talk = Google's new IM service that they're announcing tomorrow.
All you need is a Jabber-compatible Instant Messaging client (such as Apple's iChat, or GAIM), and a GMail address. Digg this, NOW!
WELCOME SLASHDOT!
Server: talk.google.com
Username: youremail@gmail.com **OR** youremail@talk.google.com (pick one)
Password: yourpassword
Note: If you can't login, try to turn off 'Secure Messaging' or 'Encryption'... etc.
-- TRILLIAN USERS: Someone just told me that they got it working with Trillian, but I can't verify this. Just go to Trillian's plugin page on their site and download the Jabber plug-in, install it, and configure a new connection as below:
"server : talk.google.com
port : 5222
Use legact SSL for connection : not checked"
How to set it up with GAIM on Windows/Linux, or Adium on the Mac:
-- For iChat, just enter the information above.
1. Add an account, select "Jabber" as the protocol.
2. Your screen name is everything before the '@gmail.com'.
3. Server is 'talk.google.com' as listed above.
4. Click "show more options" and make sure "use TLS if available" is checked. Leave "Force old SSL" and "allow plaintext..." unchecked for now. Connection port should be 5222, connection server should be blank... if not just 'talk.google.com' without the quotes.
5. Ta-da! Just login and you should be good-to-go.
Another user reports the following:
"weird, I've never sent you email from my gmail, and now that you're on my buddy list on google talk, it autofilled your email address, and alias on my gmail"
-- The "/me" command works too, even on iChat. "/me says hi" translates to "smash says hi" or whatever if you're not familiar!
Feel free to IM around with fellow GMail users just by adding their addresses to your list! I'm not sure how long this is going to work, but let's make the best of it.
UPDATE: I'm online right now, give me a hollar if you're able to login! I'm talking with someone I added to my list.
Re:smash's world: I'm almost slashdotted right now (Score:3, Insightful)
That's how they "get off".
Great (Score:5, Funny)
IM Client - Mac OS X (Score:5, Informative)
MSN, Y!, ICQ through iChat - here's how (Score:4, Informative)
http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-thro
It works flawlessly and yes, it uses Jabber
What about Hello? (Score:3, Interesting)
Does anyone know if Hello will work with Google Talk? I don't feel like having to run Hello and Google Talk. However, if they do both work together, what would be the point of Google having both Hello and Google Talk?
Works with tor, yeehaw! (Score:4, Interesting)
AP Press Release (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=3757295 [kron4.com]
Conference Rooms? (Score:4, Interesting)
automatically adds your gmail contacts (Score:4, Informative)
Other than that, it seems really neat. Oh, also, icons and offline IM don't appear to work. If someone knows how to get those to work, I'd be interested to hear it.
Andrew
PS: You can jabber me at adpowers@gmail.com
GoogleTalk + Dark Fibre = Internet Phone System (Score:5, Interesting)
Bee-bee-boo-boop "Picard to all phone companies: You are being replaced."
Re:GoogleTalk + Dark Fibre = Internet Phone System (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:GoogleTalk + Dark Fibre = Internet Phone System (Score:4, Interesting)
Imagine finding a way to know what people are going to be thinking about, talking about, asking for -- in advance.
Well?
You could, say, direct advertising to them based on what you knew, if you could do that.
Email, digitized voice, a huge networked universe of fast computers growing all the time.
The Internet sees Google as unthreatening, and uses Google as a preferred route.
Has anyone ever asked the folks who came up with "Don't Do Evil" what the other half of their statement is? It must have a corollary.
I suspect it's -- Be God.
Help me out here... why Jabber? (Score:3, Interesting)
Granted all this. But speaking as someone who's just running a client, why should I care? Aside from the secure connection, will chatting on Jabber be much different for me than chatting on Yahoo or AOL or ICQ?
With GMail, there's a web-based client which has a lot of whiz-bang features that clearly distinguish it from AOL Webmail or Yahoo Mail. But I need a chat client to connect anyway, and it's the client's features that impress me, not the protocol.
Hmm, perhaps I just answered my own question.
Kicked out (Score:4, Informative)
405: Not Allowed (Score:4, Informative)
Re:405: Not Allowed (Score:4, Informative)
I dug down into the help documents, and there's a bit of a strange thing you have to do, you have to set up your username/server as such:
Username: stephen.thorne
Server: gmail.com
but you have to then go into the advanced options and set the 'connect server' as such:
Connect Server: talk.google.com
This will allow you to connect properly, and the 405 error will go away.
This (may) sucks (Score:5, Interesting)
Another thing some people might have noticed is that reverse DNS for talk.google.com is toolbar.google.com. Now have a look at JEP0151 [jabber.org].
Re:This (may) sucks (Score:4, Informative)
http://groups.google.com/group/google-talk-open [google.com]
I'm going to recommend that people post on it to request that google open their network to the full jabber community instead of keeping it locked up.
Closed network (Score:5, Interesting)
According to the Google Talk developer page [google.com], Google is only planning pre-arranged peering with a set of providers. Their goal, it appears, is to reduce spam and other abuses by ensuring that all clients are connecting through trusted services.
While I see their point, it does seem like a bit of a cop out. "Service choice" doesn't really mean much unless I can choose to use my own service and still inter-operate. A truly open system should allow anyone to play, not just the big boys.
Getting around the "Not Allowed" message (Score:5, Informative)
In Gaim's "Server" field put in gmail.com.
But, in the "Connect server" field put in talk.google.com.
Now, connect
There goes Philosophy point #2 (Score:5, Funny)
Google does search. Google does not do horoscopes, financial advice or chat.
(Guess they better remember to update that page when they make the announcement...)
And the real burning question - When can I get my Googlescope???
Re:There goes Philosophy point #2 (Score:5, Informative)
"* Full-disclosure update: When we first wrote these "10 things" four years ago, we included the phrase "Google does not do horoscopes, financial advice or chat." Over time we've expanded our view of the range of services we can offer -- web search, for instance, isn't the only way for people to access or use information -- and products that then seemed unlikely are now key aspects of our portfolio. This doesn't mean we've changed our core mission; just that the farther we travel toward achieving it, the more those blurry objects on the horizon come into sharper focus (to be replaced, of course, by more blurry objects)."
There is a review online check it out ! (Score:5, Informative)
Jabber interoperability (Score:3, Insightful)
The whole point of jabber is that servers are distributed, the server name is part of the JID (Jabber ID) which means that JID's look a lot like email addresses.
I hope the inability to have contacts with non @gmail.com JID's is merely a pre-launch wrinkle.
Still works - changer server to gmail.com ... (Score:4, Informative)
I've got mine setup in gaim as:
Screen Name: ashlux
Server: gmail.com
TLS: checked
Port: 5222
Connect Server: talk.google.com
And it works just fine.
Developers! (Score:5, Informative)
"It's like the Federation of Planets on your Star Trek program."
"Ohhhhhh"
iChat/Google Talk supports video conferencing (Score:4, Informative)
Well then, I clicked on the video icon in my iGoogleChat buddy list to start a video chat with my friend, and it worked just fine. User experience and video qualkity were the same as "native iChat". Not sure who's "fault" this is -- iChat for managing to send video presence info through Jabber, or Jabber for supporting video presence. Whoever is responsible though: well done.
clue to easter egg in client? "play wumpus game" (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:clue to easter egg in client? "play wumpus game (Score:5, Informative)
Re:clue to easter egg in client? "play wumpus game (Score:5, Informative)
Google Talk Over SSH (Score:4, Informative)
You can find the guide at Google Talk over SSH [unto.net].
Enjoy!
Re:Not a full fledged messaging program (Score:3, Interesting)
This is basically just google providing a public jabber server. I haven't gotten around to setting one up for myself, but have wanted to use a high quality, highly available, reliable jabber server to stick an account on. Now that google is doing it - I absolutely will.
This is exactly what I said they should do in the first place. Hurray!
Re:Not a full fledged messaging program (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:can't get on (Score:5, Informative)
Re:AIM/MSN still owns the market (Score:3, Interesting)
In europe MSN is pretty much king and yahoo second. Almost no one uses AIM.
And which architecture was designed with the ability and the intention to bridge to those existing services?
Right - only Jabber.
Microsoft gets a bit of its own poison - embraced and exte
Re:gmail icks me (Score:5, Insightful)
It prevents spammers auto-registering a ton (if someone starts to invite a bunch of spam bots, you can easily trace and break the propagation chain) and prevented the server from being overloaded during the initial run.
From a Computer Science and Social Engineering standpoint, it was/is a good setup. Get over it.
Re:Kopete (Score:5, Informative)
On the second Tab I checked the first 3 boxes and set the server to talk.google.com with port auto set to 5223.
I had an error with qca tls on connection, but an apt-get install qca-tls later I was online.
Now if only all my contacts would get over to google messenger we would be set...
JCLoony [is at] gmail [you know the rest]