
Raspberry Pi's Upgraded Keyboard Computer Gets RGB Lighting, Mechanical Switches and SSD Storage (theverge.com) 51
Raspberry Pi has launched the Raspberry Pi 500 Plus for $200, more than doubling the $90 price of the standard model. The keyboard computer now includes an M.2 2280 SSD socket alongside the SD card slot, 256GB of storage and 16GB of LPDDR4x-4267 RAM instead of 8GB. The company added Gateron KS-33 Blue mechanical switches, replaceable low-profile keycaps finished to allow RGB lighting to shine through and an RP2040 microcontroller running QMK firmware.
The 500 Plus retains Wi-Fi 5, Bluetooth, gigabit Ethernet, two micro HDMI ports, three USB-A ports, and USB-C power from the base model. A $220 Desktop Kit bundles necessary cables, power supply, and mouse.
The 500 Plus retains Wi-Fi 5, Bluetooth, gigabit Ethernet, two micro HDMI ports, three USB-A ports, and USB-C power from the base model. A $220 Desktop Kit bundles necessary cables, power supply, and mouse.
IEEE 802.11ac-2013?! (Score:1)
Pretty cool, but I can't believe it only supports 802.11ac in this day and age.
The Age of Days. (Score:2)
Pretty cool, but I can't believe it only supports 802.11ac in this day and age.
Par for the course these days, sadly.
20 years later, and your “modern” HDTV is still waiting for that broadcast signal to justify the upgrade.
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I'm not sure why you would expect it to do anything faster. This is a Pi, the underlying A76 CPU and associated hardware architecture has trouble maxing out the ethernet gigabit connection, why would you need an even faster WiFi link? It adds expense with no purpose (though given this thing has RGB...)
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Once the higher end RPis broke $80 (higher RAM 4s, but I recall 3Bs having odd price spikes too) and the NUC-like x86-64 PCs exploded with fully functional (SSD/NVMe + RAM) units <$250, the value balance for Pi was over -- and this was before 2020 issues. The Pi still needed $30-120 in parts to make "complete" whereas the PCs just needed $10-20 in an Ard
Is $200 a bargain? (Score:2, Insightful)
About two years back I bought a new laptop at Micro-Center for $60. Unlike a raspberry pi, the laptop came with: power supply, battery, screen, keyboard, pointer device, case, memory, storage, and OS (Windows 10) installed.
If you don't mind used, you can probably find a desktop, or laptop, on craigslist for nothing, or next to nothing.
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Hardly. You can buy a used Wyse (Dell) 5070 thin client. It has a quad core cpu, 8gb ram and 64gb of ssd. The integrated Intel gpu will play 4k hevc encoded video without breaking a sweat. They sell for $40 all day long on ebay. Mine is running Fedora because it seems to play well with the free streaming sites like Tubi.
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The New Order EULA. (Score:2)
About two years back I bought a new laptop at Micro-Center for $60. Unlike a raspberry pi, the laptop came with: power supply, battery, screen, keyboard, pointer device, case, memory, storage, and OS (Windows 10) installed.
If you don't mind used, you can probably find a desktop, or laptop, on craigslist for nothing, or next to nothing.
A Windows licensed device for $60? Wonder how many hours in Hades that’ll run ya.
(Don’t worry kids. They take SinMo. Buy Now, Burn Later.)
Long key travel times (Score:2)
They had me until "long travel times" for the keys.
Video (Score:5, Informative)
Jeff Geerling just dropped a video reviewing this a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Who wants this? (Score:5, Insightful)
At $90, it's kind of fun. At 200? Why even bother? The thin client corporate types are going to want more robust enterprise features and not care about the ssd slot. The home users are going to pick up a used laptop with more power for the same money. This is just too niche.
Re:Who wants this? (Score:4, Interesting)
At $200, I can buy a Chinese mini PC that has Windows 11, some storage, and 16 GB of RAM. Not great, but for a desktop PC with questionable drivers and such, something good enough for light gaming.
I can see one place for this specific machine... an offline computer. Something one uses for top tier signing/decrypting of GPG messages, or signing code. Plug it into an older monitor, and it is quite useful for this task, as after it us used, just unplug the "keyboard", and stick that in the strongbox. In fact, I keep an offline Raspberry Pi for just an item, especially storing offline root CA keys, that really need to go into a HSM, or generating a GPG key I use for Git... and copying that key into a YubiKey. This way, if I lose the YubiKey, I still can rebuild my private key offline.
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You can buy mini PCs with Linux. They're usually a bit cheaper. I bought an Ubuntu mini PC that was about $50 cheaper than the Windows version of the same unit - the only difference was Windows.
Ironically, the box said it was Ubuntu, but inside it came with Windows activated. So I guess I saved $50.
Anyhow, the purpose of it is to tinker. All it is is a RPi inside a keyb
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Hell, if you shop off-lease and refurbs, you can get a namebrand mini PC from HP or Dell within this price bracket, with gobs more power. Might have the same "old WiFi" problem, but at least on those it would be a replacable module.
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Yeah, I'm not sure who exactly this is for. The whole appeal of their products is for people to tinker, learn, or build in a microcontroller for some very bespoke use cases. Trying to infiltrate the "daily driver" market is off-brand for them.
Re:Who wants this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, I'm not sure who exactly this is for.
It's for nerds. What site do you think you're reading?
Retro computer nerds (Score:2)
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It keeps your fingers warm during the long cold winters. The perfect Christmas gift!
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Just because you don't find it compelling doesn't mean it's useless. You may as well bitch about the existence of Rolex and say "why bother, I can get a Timex for $25."
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The Pi 5 line has a very narrow lane (Score:2)
You use a Pi 5 if you want GPIO and community support. Its appropriateness in other areas has rapidly shrunk, despite the price of the Pi being relatively stable (the 2GB model Pi 5 is like $10 more than the 2GB Pi 2).
The Pi 5 is too expensive to be used as a simple SFF PC. x86 gives you way better bang for buck but will use more power.
The Pi 5 also has a huge amount of competition as a GPIO-ready IoT dev board -- there are faster options, there are cheaper options, there are lower power options. So even in
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I own 8 Raspberry Pi boards and one ASUS tinkerboard. All of them are in use 24x7 except for one of the Raspberry Pi 4s that I keep as a spare for my most critical Raspberry Pi 4.
However, I don't use them as my workstation to browse the web, etc. They do server-stuff or embedded stuff (a Pi Zero runs an LED matrix in my room, for example, giving me a bedroom clock that's always sync'd to time servers and automatically adjusts for DST.)
About the most inappropriate use for a Raspberry Pi is as a daily d
As long as ... (Score:2)
Re: As long as ... (Score:3)
And I can always pop by Radio Shack for a project box to house it in.
Sounds like a bold prediction to make in 2025.
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Point taken. How about Fry's Electronics?
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Raspberry Pi Foundation (Score:3)
Greed took over and they stopped caring about their original mission which was to make computing affordable to people who have limited finances.
They started going after profits, when you get money and success, you start craving more money because now you hang out with even richer people. You also feel entitled, I mean if you sell millions of a certain product and get invited to various places to give talks, you start thinking "due to low profit margins, my net worth is only $10 million I should be $100 million."
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You can still get a 3B+ for connectors from for that price, let alone the board populated with processor and other components.
A low-spec Model 4 or 5 retails for $50-60.
If that's too rich for you, you can get a Pi Zero, w
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they stopped caring about their original mission which was to make computing affordable to people who have limited finances.
That was not their mission. Ever. And in their current line up of products start at $4.70 for the Pico, and $27 for the 3A which are both currently being manufactured and are available.
Just because they are also providing something higher end doesn't mean any mission (even the one you made up) has been abandoned. And both of those products I listed above meet their actual original mission of allowing all young people to develop knowledge and skills related to computers and digital technologies.
Don't gasligh
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Ah yes, the maker of the $15 pi zero 2, a 1 GHz quad core Linux computer has clearly given up making computing affordable.
Nice (Score:2)
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Can it double as a keyboard for a laptop (Score:1)
Re: Can it double as a keyboard for a laptop (Score:2)
eew gateron (Score:2)
The company added Gateron KS-33 Blue mechanical switches
When I was choosing keyswitches to upgrade my Redragon keyboards (which came with Redragon switches which are OK but meh) I bought a switch tester assortment from aliexpress. It included Gateron, Kailh, Outemu, and Cherry switches. Add in the Redragon switches I had already, and the Ajazz switches I've had since, and Outemu is by far the best of these aside from Cherry switches, which are only slightly better. Outemu has much better tolerances than the other knockoffs, that is to say they are much less slop
N100 are way better (Score:1)
At this price there is no point to RPI, as N100 is better in every conceivable way. The only missing hardware is GPIO, but the USB to GPIO are dirt cheap and you are better off using them anyways for electrical isolation.
Audio Jack? (Score:2)
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No Numeric keypad (Score:2)
Form over function.
Joke company.