IT Worker Sentenced To Seven Months After Trashing Company Network (theregister.com) 128
An anonymous reader shares a report: A judge has sentenced a disgruntled IT worker to more than seven months in prison after he wreaked havoc on his employer's network following his suspension, according to West Yorkshire Police.
According to the police, Mohammed Umar Taj, 31, from the Yorkshire town of Batley, was suspended from his job in nearby Huddersfield in July 2022. But the company didn't immediately rescind his network credentials, and within hours, he began altering login names and passwords to disrupt operations, the statement says.
The following day, he allegedly changed access credentials and the biz's multi-factor authentication settings that locked out the firm and its clients in Germany and Bahrain, eventually causing an estimated $274,200 in lost business and reputational harm.
According to the police, Mohammed Umar Taj, 31, from the Yorkshire town of Batley, was suspended from his job in nearby Huddersfield in July 2022. But the company didn't immediately rescind his network credentials, and within hours, he began altering login names and passwords to disrupt operations, the statement says.
The following day, he allegedly changed access credentials and the biz's multi-factor authentication settings that locked out the firm and its clients in Germany and Bahrain, eventually causing an estimated $274,200 in lost business and reputational harm.
These morons never learn (Score:2)
Yes, they will get caught. Yes, they will go to prison. And, yes, they will pay for the damage, probably for a long, long time.
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You know who else doesn't seem to learn? All these companies with shitty IT policies who don't know how to secure their networks appropriately. There is at least one of these stories every year.
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True. Does not help the person going to prison much though.
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Just like it's each criminals first time.
Re:Punishment isn't working. (Score:5, Interesting)
Related to that, even a harsh punishment doesn't necessarily mean that someone will make an illogical choice not considering the consequences; you will never stop 100% of issues like this because there will always be someone who misunderstands their situation and makes an illogical choice regardless of punishment.
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"Punishment isn't working": you can't prove that because it's proving a negative. How many people thought about causing damage to their employer after getting laid off, but decided not to because they knew they would go to prison?
Related to that, even a harsh punishment doesn't necessarily mean that someone will make an illogical choice not considering the consequences; you will never stop 100% of issues like this because there will always be someone who misunderstands their situation and makes an illogical choice regardless of punishment.
Actually it's pretty easy to demonstrate via recidivism rates. If punishment is working, you'd see repeat offences going down, if it's not working you'd see more repeat offenders.
To save you the trouble of getting angry at google, you can get angry at me for telling you that countries with less harsh punishments have much lower recidivism rates and countries with harsher punishments tend to have more crime.
Prevention is a lot better than cure, realistically if treating prisoners like humans helps them
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This guy's record will follow him his entire life. These days, it's really hard to get hired anywhere, particularly in IT, if you have a criminal record. That's pretty severe (and appropriate) punishment, in my opinion.
UK spent convictions (Score:4, Interesting)
After four years and seven months his official record will become invisible as it will be spent conviction. Even before that the information isn't normally easily available, though the publicity in this case has generated me be more of a problem for him, as an internet search will reveal him. So it may be less of a disaster than you think, though he may struggle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Interesting, the US doesn't have any such "spent conviction" law. Your past crimes can literally follow you the rest of your life.
Even in the UK, according to the Wikipedia article you linked, there is a long list of professions that are exempt from the law, so it does still narrow the potential positions that this man could hold.
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This guy's record will follow him his entire life.That's pretty severe (and appropriate) punishment, in my opinion.
Nope, his notoriety will increase, the criminal record will be ignored and once he gets through the hard times of the hooplah he will be paid even more.
I say this because I have seen this *exact* situation before with a former colleague and it did wonders for his career. He basically did what everyone has thought about and paid for it - those types of experience carry value.
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Nope, his notoriety will increase, the criminal record will be ignored and once he gets through the hard times of the hooplah he will be paid even more
Reality is that he didn't do anything requiring any marketable talent. Anyone can go and smash up things. And it is clearly evident to everyone that his actions were caused by utter uncontrolled stupidity.
You wouldn't give him a job as a taxi driver, because you'd have to fear that he smashes up all your taxis at any time.
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Reality is that he didn't do anything requiring any marketable talent. Anyone can go and smash up things.
And whilst I agree with you, most people will see him as some sort of elite.
Re:Punishment isn't working. (Score:5, Insightful)
If that were the case, the death penalty would only be applied to the wrongly convicted or intentionally suicidal.
This is because of two interlocking facts: (a) most criminals are not terribly rational, in particular they tend to have broken time preferences. And (b) many crimes like this are "crimes of passion" - e.g. being stupid because you're super angry.
Making prisons more sadistic than they are now doesn't fix either of those things. You just make people more resentful and broken when they finally get out.
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A zillion years ago, I had a contract position at Disney. But I was a temp worker, so they didn't give me a desk. Or a phone. Or a PC to use. Or any official way to check my e-mail. But somehow they DID give me Forest Admin credentials for their ENTIRE Active Directory.
I was there for six months and when the full time replacement admin finally showed up, they had armed guards escort me out. My replacement let me know after the fact that someone done fucked up setting up my user account. I could've fucked th
...but why?? (Score:2)
Re:...but why?? (Score:5, Insightful)
People who are vengeful are often also not very rational in that emotional state, history is littered with examples of this and they seem incapable of extrapolating the consequence of their shortsighted actions. In this case, the dude's rampage came about because he was suspended from work which indicates he had already generated a fair amount of "friction" at his workplace.
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People who are vengeful are often also not very rational in that emotional state, history is littered with examples of this and they seem incapable of extrapolating the consequence of their shortsighted actions. In this case, the dude's rampage came about because he was suspended from work which indicates he had already generated a fair amount of "friction" at his workplace.
A better question is "why are so many employees irrationally vengeful"?
I suspect we all know why but don't want to admit that the way the US allows employers to treat employees is horribly broken. Much easier to pretend they're just "wronguns" and offer thoughts and prayers for the quarterly results.
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Sure, but a vengeful action that makes a person's situation worse is stupid regardless of what led up to it or how shitty the employer is. There's no rational reason at all for anyone to sacrifice themselves on the alter of shitty employers, especially since shitty employers tend to make sure they get their pound of flesh with some extra sprinkles on top.
Re:...but why?? (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately for him I noticed some oddities with how things were broken and started digging. He ended up pleading guilty in federal court.
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Yeah those were the days. More than a decade ago I worked for a company that had an IT services business. They had a single administrative account that they used everywhere. All the IT staff, and many others, knew the password to this account. When I pointed out this security problem, they wanted to change it but couldn't, because it was hard-coded in so many places, and used in so many interconnected services, that changing the password would have brough down their entire operation.
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Kinda happened to me when I left one company. I documented everything, but they couldn't find a replacement before I left so there was no in-person hand-over. Ended up doing a bit of consulting work to get them up an running again with things I was maintaining. Not malicious, they just didn't have anyone else with the right knowledge/skills to take over. I don't think they realized how much I was doing, how complex the systems were.
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No, the guy he caught, lived up to the moniker.
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Unfortunately for him I noticed some oddities with how things were broken and started digging. He ended up pleading guilty in federal court.
Wow, you really lived up to your Slashdot moniker!
He was let go for his anger management issues, and then turned around and vandalized his former employer, a charity BTW, and cost them thousands of dollars in services and time. So yea, not going to feel too bad about how it shook out.
Reputational damage? (Score:5, Informative)
If the company didn't rescind his credentials immediately upon firing, that's all the reputation you need to know.
This is basic security practice taught in every 100 level IT security course.
Re:Reputational damage? (Score:4, Informative)
He wasn't fired immediately, he was suspended, and did the damage will still an employee.
Re:Reputational damage? (Score:4, Insightful)
...doesn't negate the question; why wasn't his account disabled? A suspended employee has no reason to access secure systems, this should be the default.
I'm having a hard time imaging a reason for suspension that wouldn't necessitate the need to disable his credentials.
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Suspension is done with the assumption that the employee is coming back. At that point, they would have all access restored anyway. If the offenses were so severe that they would necessitate terminating access, they should just fire the employee. If they don't fire the employee, they have to continue to trust the employee, sooner or later.
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Suspension means the employee isn't performing their job duties; hence they don't need access to the system. Same thing applies, admittedly to a lesser extent, to when admins go on vacations.
On top of that, suspensions are not done with the assumption that the employee is coming back; it's more of a "get the person out of here NOW while we build our termination case" type of thing. Suspensions are almost always for ethical reasons, which is precisely the type of person who shouldn't have access, and there
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Find, you can look at suspension however you want to, but that's not how companies see it. It's not customary to cut off access to suspended employees, and certainly not employees who go on leave, at most companies.
As we can see here, disabling his credentials was clearly called for, so between yours and my perspectives, which would you say is more correct?
This is an egregious and unusual case. It's news because it's unusual, ordinary suspensions don't make the news because they are boring. So this case does not prove the rule.
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That is how companies see suspensions, at least competent ones. And here, with this story, we see WHY.
But by all means, continue to believe otherwise in the face of contrary evidence. My contracting rates are very reasonable ( considering the alternative of course ), so it's in my best interest that more companies think as you do instead of following my advice.
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And here, with this story, we see WHY.
This is an attempt to prove the rule, by citing an extreme case. This case is *not* typical, but rare. You completely ignored that crucial point.
You don't build your house with bullet-proof glass, despite the unlikely, but non-zero, probability that someone would shoot through them. You build your house to withstand risks that are probable enough to justify the expense.
The probability of a rogue employee will sabotage your company's entire operation, even an employee that is fired for cause, is remote, thou
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Of course you design your policies and procedures to protect against rogue employees, particularly in IT and especially with admins who have greater levels of access.
Suggesting otherwise exposes your own ignorance as to how IT security operates in companies ( or how it's supposed to ). Everywhere I've worked, suspended employees were treated as terminated as far as their access to resources were concerned ( up to and including email ). Most places would ask you to tell them if you were traveling out of co
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Your personal experience with employers is not representative. It certain differs from mine.
Like anything else, security is a cots/benefit question. You put your family at risk of bullet strikes, by not having bulletproof glass windows on your house and car. Why don't you do it? Too expensive.
Many, especially smaller, companies, have more lax security policies because they are expensive, and because they trust their people. Implementing rigid security policies costs time and money, neither of which are avai
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Suspension is done with the assumption that the employee is coming back.
That's often not true. Suspension can often be done as part of an investigation where there's a suspicion that someone has done enough to be fired but the evidence isn't yet clear enough. The assumption is that, if the suspicion is confirmed they will be fired. Moreover, is has to be a suspicion of something potentially serious otherwise they would be allowed to continue work.
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Suspension by definition means that there is not enough proven cause (yet) to fire the employee. If there were, they would fire the employee without a suspension. So suspension doesn't assume either that the employee is, or is not, coming back.
In this particular case, the company would have known at the beginning of the suspension, whether they planned to fire the guy or not. They would have known whether it was a formality or whether they were really trying to rehabilitate. The fact that they didn't disabl
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In this particular case, the company would have known at the beginning of the suspension, whether they planned to fire the guy or not.
I don't find that clearly in either TFA or even the articles linked. How do you know that? I didn't see something clearly stating why he was suspended or wheter they were sure.
As far as the rest, et me just rearrange a little what you said.
The fact that they didn't disable his credentials, implies that they thought he was coming back.
however suspension doesn't assume either that the employee is, or is not, coming back.
Even if you are pretty sure he's coming back after suspension, you can't actually ever be fully sure. The employee might just get resentful at what they think is unfair treatment and leave anyway. I might deliberately leave something open to see what they do, but I would
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My question is simply, if they didn't intend to reinstate him, why *didn't* they disable his credentials?
You are also right, why didn't they do so regardless? That's a good question. But if they did intend to fire him, they would very likely have immediately disabled his credentials.
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I mean it could be the clowns:
they and their funny IT strategies seem to be in charge in far too many places.
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...doesn't negate the question; why wasn't his account disabled? A suspended employee has no reason to access secure systems, this should be the default.
I'm having a hard time imaging a reason for suspension that wouldn't necessitate the need to disable his credentials.
Totally agree about this. There's another way of thinking about it. These are your colleagues, possibly even friends. You have no idea what stress they have been under. Maybe they have some disease in the family or financial problems. Maybe they are under major stress. They may not be thinking straight. They might go home and have their partner scream at them about being useless. It might be int he middle of some kind of mental breakdown that they go crazy and damage a system they would never do anything ba
If he really wanted ... (Score:5, Funny)
[Saw this posted elsewhere]
The 7 month jail senence is the easy part. (Score:2)
My guess his financial asset capacitor is going to get discharged in a civil proceeding. The guy might be walking around with no shirt afterwards, if you know what I mean.
There's always two sides. (Score:2)
You lose your temper. Do something of questionable judgement. Momentary satisfaction as you see them scramble to replace you.
Side #2: You still have to work there. It sucks because you kinda liked the guy causing all the problems. You understand his reasoning, but you're trapped because you're definitely not in a position to do something similar. So you save your own ass.
I see both sides. The corporate money usually wins. An unfortunate fact of
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But I don't dismiss the disgruntled employee's claim.
What claim is that? There's nothing in TFS or TFA that indicates the ex-employee has attempted to justify his behavior at all.
Additionally, you missed...
Side #3: You've known the guy was an immature ass for quite some time, and warned your superiors that best practices dictate every bit of access he had should be rescinded right away and every password he had access to be changed immediately - but they neglected to act.
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What claim is that?
You fired the "immature ass" and left him in full control of passwords etc. What did you expect? It's the classic case of expecting professionalism while not projecting professionalism. They don't give a fuck about this guy. Why should he give a fuck back?
That explains one thing (Score:2)
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you've never been to Yorkshire, have you? The urban areas have attracted substantial immigration from the Indian subcontinent, so the name isn't a surprise to Brits.
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Yorkshire is about 8% Muslim.
BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yoga and (Score:2)
Used to be 100% Hindu before barbaric Islamic invasions.
Re: BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yoga (Score:2)
Hinduism is not a warmongering culture like the Jihadi Islamic hatemongering invasionist mindset
The Rg Veda, 5000+ years old says that God is the Consciousness within all.
Our way is that of Yoga and
meditation https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai] âïðY(TM)ðYðY--ðY'ðY®ðYðYðYðY
Re: BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yoga (Score:2)
Obligatory Family Guy Peter befriends Muslim
https://youtu.be/6ARKUFpzay8 [youtu.be]
Re: BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yoga (Score:2)
The Harmonious Relationship Between Hinduism and Science
Hinduism, one of the world's oldest living religions, has a profound connection with science that spans thousands of years [1]. The ancient Hindu scriptures, such as the Vedas and Upanishads, contain descriptions of the universe and human existence that are remarkably consistent with modern scientific theories [2]. This connection highlights the advanced knowledge and understanding of the universe that ancient Indian sages possessed [3].
Hindu cosmology
So called Saint Francis Xavier was a demon... (Score:2)
deep research hathkatro khamb goa
**Hatkatro Khamb** (also spelled Hathkatro Khamb, meaning "Pillar of Severed Hands") is a significant and haunting historical monument located in Old Goa. It stands as a stark symbol of the **brutal persecution faced by Hindus during the Portuguese Goa Inquisition**[1][2][6].
### Historical Context
- The
Re: So called Saint Francis Xavier was a demon... (Score:2)
pardon typos + full link go research here
https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai]
Not good sources (Score:2)
An Open University history module taught me about trusting sources, and none of the ones you offer are impressive. Given that dismemberment is not an allegation made against the Inquisition anywhere else that I'm aware of, and that research on the Inquisition is chipping away at the legends promulgated by Protestants against it, nothing you've offered here convinced me that the story about dismemberment is clearly true. No doubt some forced conversions did occur, but the possibility of running away to avoid
Re: BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yoga (Score:2)
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For 67 years (1752-1819 AD), the Afghans ruled over Kashmir & ensured it was the darkest period of Islamic oppression. The
Re: BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yog (Score:2)
From https://archive.org/details/in... [archive.org] The Valley of Kashmir, Oxford Press
Better source, thank you (Score:2)
On the whole the reported behaviour of the Afghan invaders is sufficiently close to that reported about Muslims elsewhere that I am far more convinced by this story; thank you for digging it out. However it doesn't prove anything significant to me except that, as I've said, all religions have some very dark moments in their past (and sometimes present). My priority is getting you to admit that at times Hinduism has show levels of barbarity AS WELL. No religion has a clean record, so focusing on the failings
Re: Better source, thank you (Score:2)
> so focusing on the failings of another religion is ultimately an exercise in self-righteous and justification that is an unhealthy mistake.
which is ironically exactly what you are engaging in.
You miss my point (Score:2)
I'm not trying to emphasis the wrongs of another group to my co-religionists, I'm arguing that we ALL need to accept our failings. You have proved unwilling to accept the failings of Hinduism, even the feral mob of Ajodhya, and so I'm going on about it. When you accept that no religion has a clean record I'll shut up. At the moment you are defending behaviour I see as evil; that's not good.
Re: You miss my point (Score:2)
Which part of restorative justice do you not understand?
Step 1. Hindu temple existed for ages
Step 2. Barbaric Islamic invader built a mosque over it.
Step 3. Restorative justice, the Hinfu temple for restored
Let me dumb it down for you:
Corollary:
White Americans enslaved Africans.
Africal Americans like MLK Jr fought for their rights via the Civil Rights Movement.
Restorative Justice FTW
OR another example of deep injustice in our great American homeland . Why dont you introdpect first, find your own faults befo
Restorative Justice as a healing mechanism (Score:2)
https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai]
describe restorative justice in extreme detail using real world examples, e.g. the Ayodhya Hindu temple of Sri Rama, that was destroyed by Islamic Mughal invaders, the US Civil justice movemrnt against slavery etc
**Restorative justice** is a philosophy and set of practices focused on *repairing harm* caused by crime or conflict, rather than simply punishing offenders. It prioritizes the needs of victims, offenders, and the broader community, aiming for *reconciliation, heali
Re: You miss my point (Score:2)
pardon on-the-go- typos
Is your claim Hinduism doesn't have a dark side? (Score:2)
That it does is the only point I'm trying to make.
As far as 'restorative justice' is concerned, in a democracy such actions must occur in accordance with the law, and should not be achieved by a criminal mob motivated by religion. The destruction of the Ayodhya mosque fails that test, so either you are asserting the India should not be a democracy - certainly the belief of many Hindus it seems given their propensity to persecute the members of other religions - or that a religious belief places you above th
Use the law or admit your religion is a evil (Score:2)
In a democracy ruled by law the destruction of the Mosque should not have happened without the agreement of the law. It went ahead regardless. This is a failure of Hinduism to act in a civilised fashion, instead endorsing behaviour that is EVIL. I don't care about your excuses about how 'restorative justice' was served. A Hindu mob destroyed the mosque in an act of criminal damage. This is barbaric, evil, unlawful, and evidence that Hinduism is not a force for civilisation but an excuse for abusing others.
T
Re: Use the law or admit your religion is a evil (Score:2)
the Hindu temple was destroyed by the Muslims first. tge nosque should never have been there. i am certain you woyld do the same if the Vatican was destroyed by a Muslim invader.
go back and read my other posts.
i am done here
An eye for an eye is to be enforced by the state (Score:2)
not the personal ravings of fanatics seeking revenge.
We value livibg beings and their dignity... (Score:2)
... over non living things.
Further, self defense against foreign invaders who do NOT understand the Hindu concept of repect for Mother Nature, Pluralism, freedom, democracy and Yoga can seek their own piece of land.
Just dont come invading our culture, misappropriating it, or raping our women.
Self defense is a human right.
Re: We value livibg beings and their dignity... (Score:2)
If you attack and destroy our monuments, temples and institutions, we will defend it.
Democracy is not a spectator sport.
Re: An eye for an eye is to be enforced by the sta (Score:2)
You also do not know that the "state" you refer to were the Invading British and Islamic empires who invaded native Hindu's land until very recently, including the Congress government.
So stop spouting ignorant Islamic propaganda from your armchair.
Re: An eye for an eye is to be enforced by the st (Score:2)
We Hindus believe inthe philisophy of Live & Let Live. If you dont get that, sorry... welcome to my foes list.
Rule of law v rule of the mob (Score:2)
The mosque demolition was a criminal act of destruction. The war was over 400 plus years ago. A peace treaty happened. It's not for one party to tear up that peace treaty; you use the law, you don't resort to mob violence. Why? Because mob violence is inconsistent with democracy; it's a group imposing its will regardless of the law. That's not justice.
You want to abandon the rule of law? Fine. Just don't expect the British police to come running when some British racists fire bomb Hindu temples in the UK as
The state here is the state of India (Score:2)
It has ruled the land for many decades. It is the fount of justice, and the one which has the right to reverse the building of the Mosque by the Islamic invaders, not some sectarian mob indulging in criminal damage.
OK, this is political theory, and most people don't have a clue about the ideas it expounds. For example, a core definition of a state is that it has a monopoly of force within its territory; all other users of force are illegitimate and will be suppressed / punished. It's in that context that th
Re: The state here is the state of India (Score:2)
Why do you think your "political theory" has to apply to the whole world?
I would rather root for a 5000+ Ancirnt living Hindu/Vedic civilization than your 249 year old untested theory.
Re: The state here is the state of India (Score:2)
*Ancient
Re: BTW, India is 80%Hindu (also the seat of Yog (Score:2)
The Harmonious Relationship Between Hinduism and Science
Hinduism, one of the world's oldest living religions, has a profound connection with science that spans thousands of years [1]. The ancient Hindu scriptures, such as the Vedas and Upanishads, contain descriptions of the universe and human existence that are remarkably consistent with modern scientific theories [2]. This connection highlights the advanced knowledge and understanding of the universe that ancient Indian sages possessed [3].
Hindu cosmology
Re: Time for you to do more research about India (Score:2)
do you not know Muslims burnt down a train carrying Hindu pilgrims in Godhra that led to subsequent Anti Muslim riots?
Stop falling for Islamic propaganda and Christian Missionary colonialist propaganda.
Also read
https://www.ece.lsu.edu/kak/ca... [lsu.edu]
Ayodh (Score:2)
The demolition of the 16th century Mosque by out of control Hindus shows the fanatical element present in the religion. Such behaviour is a reminder that the streak of barbarism seen in Sutee and the maltreatment of untouchables is endemic in the faith. Don't let's pretend it's anything but evil.
Re: Ayodh (Score:2)
boy oh boy your memory or historical knowledge is so short it is dismays me
https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai]
Ever heard of Restorative justice? Indiaâ(TM)s Ayodhya Ram Mandir Temple Inauguration: How an Act of Restorative Justice was Distorted by Western Media
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/202... [moderndiplomacy.eu]
I repeat (Score:2)
The destruction of the Ayodhya Mosque by a rampant mob of Hindu fanatics was a moment when the mask slipped revealing the true nature of the Hindu religion for all to see. We all now what Hindus really are now; the fact that the leaders of the community chose to complete the violent robbery of the site from its previous owners merely shows that for Hinduism might is right. The desperate attempt to justify this by claiming 'they did it first' - 'Restorative justice' - falls apart. This is because if everyone
Re: I repeat (Score:2)
Did you read this https://moderndiplomacy.eu/202... [moderndiplomacy.eu]
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Yes, I read it. It is a classic example of a piece of propaganda abusing quotes to make a point which is wholly inconsistent with the intention of the people making the quotes. 'Restorative justice' does not justify the criminal damage of another religion's place of worship by what appears to have been a rabid mob.
The gratuitous claim of 'religious liberty' is truly misleading; the degree of persecution of non-Hindus is rapidly rising because other religions are showing up the flaws in Hinduism, as well all
Re: I repeat (Score:2)
We dont like to force our viewpoint on others l, so I will leave you with this, and agree to disagree
https://www.artic.edu/swami-vi... [artic.edu]
Re: I repeat (Score:2)
you may also find this eye opening
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
Hindu and Catholic, Priest and Scholar: A Love Story
On October 1, 2024, HDS hosted a celebration of "Hindu and Catholic, Priest and Scholar: A Love Story," the new memoir from HDS Professor Francis X. Clooney, S.J. Joining Prof. Clooney on a panel of respondents were: Rajeev Persaud, MTS â(TM)24, Andrea Bischoff, MTS â(TM)24, and Jonathan Makransky, multireligious ministry initiatives coordinator at HDS. The event was introduced by
Re: I repeat (Score:2)
https://swarajyamag.com/commen... [swarajyamag.com]
Also see the following for bonus points to up your geopolitical knowhow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
Alsp see this (Score:2)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
and get off yoir Islamic and Christian missionary and Western supremavy colonoliast viewpond/propaganda feedtube+showboat https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
Re: Alsp see this (Score:2)
pardon my typos
You're still not getting my point (Score:2)
I'm not claiming superiority for any particular group, I'm inviting you to be honest about the feral mob that destroyed another religion's place of worship as being evil. ALL religions have problematic histories, and we all need to be honest about that history. You appear to be unable to accept that Ayodhya display is such a problem. Stop indulging in woke ranting to avoid the accusation and be honest.
Re: Time for you to do more research about India (Score:2)
Widows died on pyre of their own accord to avoid mass rape by invadibg barbaric Islamic hoards , who murdered tgeir husbands in cold blood
Re: Thanks for a good laugh (Score:2)
stop with your selective misinformation mongering without knowing your history and misconstruing cultural context, particularly using Wokepedia
https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai]
Re: Thanks for a good laugh (Score:2)
You remind me of this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
I do respect the hard working honest American work ethic , but you seem to be one of the ignorant sheeples, sorry to say.
Re: Thanks for a good laugh (Score:2)
Also, instead of being a previleged armchair commentator, try to be empathic to Hindu Indic culture that gave you the Zero, decimal numeral system , etcetc (men, women, children) who have lived thru Islamic and Christiuan missionary invasions worse than the Holocaust
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org] - so called saint but actually a demonic invader francis xavier cut off Hindus hands for not converting to Christianity.
get your fucking world history right for chrissake, what are they teaching you in America
Ayodhya, Sati and Untouchable status (Score:2)
Hinduism, like every world religion, has its problematic elements. The wise approach is to admit to past mistakes by some believers, make sure they are not being repeated, GENTLY offer their truth and allow people a free choice as to what they want to accept as their religion. Sadly Hindu fanatics have failed to adopt that policy and are being rightly called out for it. The existence, behaviour and size of the RSS is not a great sign!
Your extraordinary claim about Xavier needs a serious source before I take
When facts are inconvenient, attack the messenger (Score:2)
A traditional technique employed by everyone from Modi to Trump, and usually a sign of desperation in the face of inconvenient facts.
I've an MA in Church History from Manchester University, so am well equipped to address rational arguments in this field. Being presented with insults does not impress me...
Remember Goa (Score:2)
There was a significant Christian presence, which claims descent from missionary efforts by St Thomas. There's the little matter of the Jains. And then there's the BHUDDISTS, who started in India. And the Sikhs...
So no - 100% is not a good claim.
Re: Remember Goa (Score:2)
if you didnt know, Sikhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism are all "Dharmic" , non-proselytizing religions, as opposed to invasionary, proselytizing Abrahamic religions (Islam + Missionary Christianity).
e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
Re: Mohammed Umar Taj from Yorkshire (Score:2)
https://www.perplexity.ai/sear... [perplexity.ai] research muslims and Islam using a tapestry of all data sources possible including but not limited to Islamic invasions of India, Kashmiri Pandit exodus/genocide worse than the Holocaust, Islamic terror attacks 911, Nyc Atracks, 711 Mumbai Attacks.
Re: (Score:2)
Maybe don't trash your company's network next time you get butthurt about your coworkers.
That seems like solid advice, no matter your name.