Microsoft Employee Disrupts 50th Anniversary and Calls AI Boss 'War Profiteer' (theverge.com) 174
An anonymous reader shares a report: A Microsoft employee disrupted the company's 50th anniversary event to protest its use of AI. "Shame on you," said Microsoft employee Ibtihal Aboussad, speaking directly to Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman. "You are a war profiteer. Stop using AI for genocide. Stop using AI for genocide in our region. You have blood on your hands. All of Microsoft has blood on its hands. How dare you all celebrate when Microsoft is killing children. Shame on you all."
Well... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure his conscience is clear, but I suspect so is his schedule now; unless he pre-lined up a new job that doesn't see this as a reason to retract their offer.
In these times... I'll guess that she's about to find out when her government-sponsored flight to El Salvador leaves...
Re:Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
In these times... I'll guess that she's about to find out when her government-sponsored flight to El Salvador leaves...
As it should be unless she is an actual citizen.
Not sure why you think the US government should send her to El Salvador "as it should be."
Speaking out against Microsoft at a Microsoft event quite reasonably would be grounds for being fired from Microsoft, but the US government should not be involved.
Re:Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
Speaking out against Microsoft at a Microsoft event quite reasonably would be grounds for being fired from Microsoft, but the US government should not be involved.
Or writing an op-ed in a University newspaper in 2024, like Tufts graduate student Rümeysa Öztürk, but here...
Op-ed: No one should be arrested or deported for writing an op-ed [tuftsdaily.com]
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It's a sad day when opposing genocide makes one an enemy of the state.
I opposed genocide on October 7. Since then, I've been supporting fighting back.
Re: Well... (Score:3, Informative)
I'm not sure why they think that being a citizen would save them, they've already deported a naturalized citizen for leading protests against genocide.
It's a sad day when opposing genocide makes one an enemy of the state.
Re:Well... (Score:5, Informative)
As it should be unless she is an actual citizen.
The First Amendment applies to everyone, not just U.S. citizens. Speech the Government simply doesn't like shouldn't be a reason to deport or arrest someone or otherwise revoke their legal status. That's not who we are as a country -- or were anyway.
Re:Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
That's not who we are as a country -- or were anyway.
I certainly remember a time, not long ago, when the phrase I most closely associated with American principles was:
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
I always admired it; I hope you can get it back.
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Free speech tolerance is antithetical to modern liberalism. It began with the "punch a Nazi" movement that started in 2016. Anyone who disagreed with progressive talking points was a Nazi. It grew under Biden's presidency with state sponsored censorship, culminating with the failed attempt to build a Ministry of Truth headed by Scary Poppins. It's disingenuous to complain about others using the weapon your side so meticulously built and deployed.
Returning so-called progressives to power certainly won't
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The First Amendment applies to everyone, not just U.S. citizens.
Well, it applies in public spaces. However, doing it on company time at a company event is a completely different story. ...
Of course. And since Microsoft can't deport someone, this bit of the discussion was about the government, not Microsoft. Certainly, she could get fired by Microsoft, but that is (or should be) about it. Although, A Tufts University student got her visa revoked, was arrested and is primed for deportation, ostensible because she wrote an op-ed in 2024 that this administration doesn't like. I'll add she wasn't told her visa had been revoked before she was arrested, which is a dick move by the government
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To El Salvador? To be thrown into a horror prison without due process? Even if they're not from there (El Salvador, I mean, not the horror prison, although they should not go there if they're not from there either).
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The Government clearly shouldn't be in the business of censoring anyone.
You seem to be in agreement with the post you are disagreeing with, since the discussion is about the comment that the government should deport someone to El Salvador "as it should be" because they expressed disagreement about company policy on company time at a company event.
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Unless you show your birth certificate I'm going to assume you're a muslim from Kenya.
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you think criticizing your boss is reason to be deported. dang.
Re:Well... (Score:4, Insightful)
Fuck you, fascist.
Have you not heard of free speech?
Do you realize that constitutional rights apply to non-citizens as well? That includes due process, too.
The rule of law means that you don't deport people for not breaking the law. Speaking their mind is not breaking the law. As this person is (was?) employed by a company that has lots of government contracts, you can make a pretty safe bet that they are legally allowed to be here and had that right verified when they began their employment.
Fuck you for wanting to ruin peoples' lives for doing nothing more than speaking out against injustice. Maybe we should deport you to El Salvador under the same logic you're applying.
Spot the facist (Score:2)
All these moron bros who think this is mess is going to work out for them are in for a long, slow education about the difference between a citizen and a subject.
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As it should be unless she is an actual citizen.
As what should be? Laws apply to all people in the USA. If you think they don't, honestly at this point I hope your stupid arse gets beaten by someone who's on a greencard and they get off scots free by saying "nah uha not a citizen can't blame mee for assault".
Either your laws apply to the people living in the country, or they don't. Can you point to the part of the first amendment which explicitly excludes non-citizens?
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I'm sure his conscience is clear, but I suspect so is his schedule now
If she knew what the AI was being sold for, why was she working there in the first place?. There's more than a little bit of dishonesty in her approach. It's like going to work for Lockheed and then being shocked, shocked that they sell things that kill people and break things.
So if she did this as a kind of do-it-yourself PR stunt, she can pretty much kiss any employment at western firms goodbye.
Yep. (Score:2, Insightful)
I can guarantee Ibtihal didn't produce a single fucking word out of her stupid mouth any of the times hamas murdered innocent children.
Re:Yep. (Score:4, Insightful)
What if I told you it's possible both parties are equally wrong? The small government conservative types won't say a goddamn word about the billions in taxes Israel gets to blow up poor brown people. Let Israel pay for their own munitions.
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both parties are equally wrong
Can we just sticky this on everything and be done with it?
Please?
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What if I told you it's possible both parties are equally wrong?
I'd tell you your definition of both "equally" and "wrong" are highly selective and likely formed from your extreme naivety and chronic malcontent.
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People who loudly defend Israel no matter what always have a moral cowardice and insincerity to them, but you've done them better by not even even having the courage to admit you're defending Israel.
"Sometimes you gotta take out the trash."
Yeah, Bibi calls it "moving the lawn" and you defend it just the same. Seriously, fuck you
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Re:Yep. (Score:4, Insightful)
The only real difference between Hamas and Israel is that Hamas admits their goal is genocide.
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If Israel wanted Palestinians dead, the Palestinians would already be dead. Unless you're arguing that Israel somehow isn't good at killing Palestinians.
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You obviously haven't been watching the news.
No we've seen the news. It's clear Israel is doing something other than genocide (or at least they think so), or are incompetent. Otherwise less than 50k dead? Advanced warning of where they are attacking? They really are not very good at this.
Re:Yep. (Score:5, Insightful)
Israel has practiced a form of apartheid that would have embarrassed South Africa at its worst, from the day they first existed.
And they've been condemned by the US more than once for the land thefts, wherein their send armed soldiers to turn Palestinians out of homes they lived in for generations to give the land to Israelis.
Both sides are guilty of war crimes going back decades. Both sides have the blood of children on their hands, and Both sides know it, and embrace it.
There are no good guys. To attack only one side is to endorse the murder of children by the other.
Re:Yep. (Score:4, Insightful)
There are no good guys. To attack only one side is to endorse the murder of children by the other.
However, one side commits 10 times the number of atrocities of the other side, and has almost all of the power. To condemn both sides equally is to effectively side with one over the other.
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Ops, posting to undo wrong mod
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That is blatant lie. All Arabs who remained in Israel 1948 become full citizens with the same rights as the Jews (and Druses, Bedouins etc). No apartheid whatsoever.
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Yes. The US has taken sides in a genocidal war.
Not the first time. Won't be the last.
Doesn't change the amount of blood on the hands of both sides.
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Sure. How does the fact that Israel offered to give the Palestinians land four times figure in that retoric? Ingenious tactical battle where they advance backward?
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Actually Israeli officials are pretty open about it now, too. You should look at some of the stuff that Ben Gvir spouts.
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You ignore the crimes against humanity that Israel has been condemned for by the UN, more than once.
And you will continue to do so.
There are no good guys. Both sides are engaging in genocidal war. There's no rational way to deny it.
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The day is young, and Israel's crimes against humanity go back to their earliest days, as do their Islamic neighbors crimes against them.
Re:Yep. (Score:5, Informative)
Here is a longer news article about Microsoft's involvement in picking targets in Gaza. https://apnews.com/article/isr... [apnews.com]
TFS is missing context (Score:5, Informative)
From TFS, it's not at all clear why Ibtihal Aboussad did this. TFA quotes (apparently in its entirety) a long e-mail she distributed that clarifies things. TL/DR:
- she is objecting to Microsoft's supply of AI to aid Israel in its war against Hamas
- she describes the unbalanced situation in that conflict
- she points out that Microsoft has been less inclined to associate with conflicts in the past
Her e-mail is quite heated and biased, but it seems to be a clear presentation of her side of the issue. Now the discussion begins...
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she describes the unbalanced situation in that conflict
I hate to break this to you, but wars are not about "balance".
Hamas started the war, and they are losing it badly. It's not up the victor - the innocent party, repelling the invaders and destroying their ability to invade - to hamstring themselves to make it somehow "balanced".
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Now the discussion begins...
There will be no discussion. There will be a dismissal. Now whether you agree or disagree with her, the reality is in a workplace you're paid to do a specific thing in a mutually agreed relationship. Break the bounds of that relationship and the agreement is over.
I hope she already had a job lined up before she committed corporate suicide.
She's got a point (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:She's got a point (Score:4, Insightful)
used to target a family
Yeah that's where you lost us. Do you really think Israel is spending billion on AI to target some dirt farming civilian?
The problem is that civilian, having voted for and supported Hamas for 15 years, has volunteered their home as a weapons cache. I guess the other side should just throw up their and hands and run into the ocean then? Sheesh.
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used to target a family
Yeah that's where you lost us. Do you really think Israel is spending billion on AI to target some dirt farming civilian?
Fair point. Presumably the goal of the targeting software is to improve the ability to identify targets that are NOT families, but are actually terrorists?
Re:She's got a point (Score:5, Insightful)
You have no idea on who that family voted for in the past 15 years, but I have a pretty good idea on who wants to grab their little patch of dirt.
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You have no idea on who that family voted for in the past 15 years
I know Palestinians elected a terrorist organization as their government. I know they let Hamas build military installations in their schools and homes. I know they let them build tunnels under their schools and hospitals. I know they assisted them smuggling weapons into Gaza, which aided in the 7 Oct massacre.
I know the Palestinian war cry "too the river..." means kill everything living in Israel. Nobody disputes any of this. Gazans, or anyone else.
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Did you all vote for Trump in the US, and agree with every single policy he pushes?
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Did you all vote for Trump in the US, and agree with every single policy he pushes?
I've never voted for Trump. Try not to let that blow your mind.
That's one diff between the left and right these days. If you sway from the narrative, the left calls you an -ism or -phobe and sends you packing. The left is a snake that eats its tail. That's all good until nobody remains that'll vote for you.
Re:She's got a point (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly my point: you never voted for Trump, yet he's ruling your country. Do you wish to be hold personally responsible for any action he takes? Because according to your worldview, every Gaza is responsible for Hamas' actions.
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That's pretty much the point I was trying to prove?
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The problem is that civilian, having voted for and supported Hamas for 15 years, has volunteered their home as a weapons cache.
I would argue with you about your assumptions, but you are an American, so given your support of genocide I would be wasting my breath.
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I would argue with you about your assumptions, but you are an American, so given your support of genocide I would be wasting my breath.
Smart! Otherwise, you'd have to actually provide some coherent thoughts. One of us is making factual statements, the other is barfing up personal insults. I'm quite comfortable with my position here.
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Smart! Otherwise, you'd have to actually provide some coherent thoughts
I would love to, but I can't think clearly with that whooshing sound.
Re:She's got a point (Score:4)
Ultimately it doesn't matter what Israel is spending its money on. It's all terrorism all the way down. The IDF and Hamas are two sides of the exact same fucking coin.
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The IDF and Hamas are two sides of the exact same fucking coin.
Maybe.
One side kills gays, forces their women to be subservient. The other side is a democratic society with equal rights and even has a 20% Muslim population and Muslim representation in their government.
I made my choice. Feel free to sit on the fence until they shoot you off of it.
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There is no maybe. They are. You can try to abstract it anyway you like. This side does x, that side does y. It doesn't fucking matter. Both sides are disgusting. Both sides murder innocent civilians and children. Both sides have shitty reasons for what they are doing (and neither side can rightfully argue self-defense at this point).
There is no choice that needs to be made. Neither side is in the right. Nor do you need to sit on the fence and watch. Stop giving any of them the attention they are trying to
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Otherwise, this is like a kid (Israel) who was getting bullied (by Hamas). At first, we're supportive, defend yourself, hell yeah. But then, the kid goes on the offensive and kicks the shit out of the bully and sends him to the hospital.
I fully support that action. If you're happy not to be speaking either German or Japanese, you should also. Jesus, that's the story of WWII.
Hamas is like a bully you beat down one day, then goes and works out and takes steroids for a year and comes back and tries to kick your ass again. And loses, over, and over.
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Jesus, that's the story of WWII.
Holy fuck, no it's not. The metaphor doesn't even start the same way.
Hamas is like a bully you beat down one day, then goes and works out and takes steroids for a year and comes back and tries to kick your ass again. And loses, over, and over.
The problem with this point of view is that it implies Israel is "winning". But what are they winning? Kill count? Which is meaningless. They certainly aren't winning peace and security, because Israel's actions and reactions directly fuels Hamas recruitment. Literally, Hamas does not even have to try to recruit by force. They aren't winning land, because they actively don't want it. The reality is that Hamas "wins" every time it attacks,
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Holy fuck, no it's not. The metaphor doesn't even start the same way.
Oh well, WHATEVER you do, definitely don't explain yourself.
The allies were outclasses and outgunned, on both fronts at the start of the war. Japan and Germany were the bullies. Germany owned all of Europe, except GB. Japan owned the east, and almost beat the US with the victory at Pearl Harbor. The allies kicked the shit out the bully by moving to a war economy and out producing them. And when the bully had the shit kicked out of them, the allies didn't stop. They ground them to a pulp. The allies didn't
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They still aren't comparable.
I think if your enemy is dead, they stop being a threat.
Not if you create more enemies for every one you eliminate. Israel will never know peace because they don't know what that is, nor do they actually want peace.
Their children are raised to hate the west and told that being a martyr is the highest honor.
This is not the same as recruitment.
They are a lost people.
No more lost than the Israelis.
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The allies were outclasses and outgunned, on both fronts at the start of the war. Japan and Germany were the bullies. Germany owned all of Europe, except GB. Japan owned the east, and almost beat the US with the victory at Pearl Harbor. The allies kicked the shit out the bully by moving to a war economy and out producing them.
Just a note here, it seems a lot like your WWII history starts with US military involvement.
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Just a note here, it seems a lot like your WWII history starts with US military involvement.
I guess this implies the US was involved?
Germany owned all of Europe, except GB.
If you read into that the US being involved, that's your history, not mine.
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Germany owned all of Europe, except GB.
If you read into that the US being involved, that's your history, not mine.
I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here. What I am saying is that you start with:
The allies were outclasses and outgunned, on both fronts at the start of the war.
and continue on to that "Germany owned all of Europe..." statement in the same context of "the start of the war", but Germany obviously did not "own" all of Europe at the start of the war. Also, the Allies (or future members of the Allies, since they did not officially exist as an alliance until over three years into the war) were not outclassed or outgunned at the start of the war. Hindsight has shown that the Fre
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Ultimately it doesn't matter what Israel is spending its money on. It's all terrorism all the way down. The IDF and Hamas are two sides of the exact same fucking coin.
The IDF commits at least 10 times the number of atrocities that Hamas commits.
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Although Hamas did win the Palestinian election in 2006, it did seize Gaza by force in 2007 and has held control over the populace by force since then. So, no, nobody has voted for Hamas in the last fifteen years.
The voting age was 21, so the youngest voter back in 2006 must have been 38. The age demographic of Gaza is quite young. Half the population is under 18, and life expectancy was relatively short even before the conflict. Only about one fifth of the current population alive was of voting age then an
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Although Hamas did win the Palestinian election in 2006, it did seize Gaza by force in 2007 and has held control over the populace by force since then. So, no, nobody has voted for Hamas in the last fifteen years.
I'm still waiting for the Palestinian uprising against Hamas. You'd think now would be a perfect time. Or you'd hear them on the news speaking out against Hamas. Or you'd here Palestinians that are safe in western democracies (oh the irony) speaking out against Hamas. The only Palestinian I've ever hear from is saying "from the river...".
The crickets are deafening.
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The problem is that civilian, having voted for and supported Hamas for 15 years, has volunteered their home as a weapons cache.
Netanyahu has supported Hamas for a long time [timesofisrael.com], and you support him operating a genocide.
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The problem is that civilian, having voted for and supported Hamas for 15 years, has volunteered their home as a weapons cache. I guess the other side should just throw up their and hands and run into the ocean then? Sheesh.
Saying that everything targeted is a valid military target is the lie that Israel is pushing. They are using AI to select targets but not vetting them properly, and killing dozens or hundreds on the suspicion that they are somehow affiliated with Hamas, or may be, or something that causes maximum damage: https://www.972mag.com/israel-... [972mag.com].
When you don't care who you target, and you just want to mass murder Palestinian civilians, AI is a brilliant way to saying "the machine determined they are Hamas" without
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Well, when both sides are evil, it's not moral to support either side. So I expect that she's right, but...that doesn't make the opponents of the side she's castigating other than evil.
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People are comment about what "he" did, which demonstrates they didn't even read the article or watch the video before commenting
... a demonstration which has zero impact on the opinions of posters. This woman disrupted a company event to engage in personal activism. What more does anyone need to know? I don't care about her feelings or hearing about her perception of what her company's product may be used for. I bet Israel uses Windows' computers too!
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Palestinians WANT their children to become martyres!
See this interview https://www.memri.org/tv/jorda... [memri.org]
Also see this question
https://politics.stackexchange... [stackexchange.com]
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By that logic, should the mechanics at Penske and Ryder protest their company because they rented trucks to bombers?
That depends, when the trucks were rented out, did a call from the rental location escalate all the way up to the CEO and board of directors to ask: "There are some terrorists here who want to rent one of our trucks to load with explosives and kill people, are we cool with that from a corporate policy point of view"?
Quit (Score:5, Insightful)
The strongest thing she can do to support their cause is quit. How can she accept a compensation from a war profiteer? That makes her just as guilty.
One thing she learned from America: virtue signalling is easier than actually doing anything.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism (Score:5, Insightful)
Purity tests get you nowhere. One of the things that makes the right wing so strong is they have zero purity tests beyond loyalty to the person one step above you in the hierarchy and absolute obedience from anyone beneath you in the hierarchy. It's terrible from a civilization and truth standpoint but when it comes to raw power it's hard to compete with that
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Yes you should be trying to make the system better
Apparently, by doing nothing that inconveniences yourself in any way. People in ivory towers should stay there.
We're not talking about not eating, please. This is a rich, privileged, tech employed engineer living the good life thanks to the system that western morals built. Would quitting, and working for a company that doesn't "war profiteer", or even a non-profit that supports your cause, prevent her from eating? Maybe she'd have to drive a Lexus instead of a Mercedes? Likely it'd have ZERO impact on her
How are the ethics in Morocco? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes you should be trying to make the system better
Apparently, by doing nothing that inconveniences yourself in any way. People in ivory towers should stay there.
We're not talking about not eating, please. This is a rich, privileged, tech employed engineer living the good life thanks to the system that western morals built. Would quitting, and working for a company that doesn't "war profiteer", or even a non-profit that supports your cause, prevent her from eating? Maybe she'd have to drive a Lexus instead of a Mercedes? Likely it'd have ZERO impact on her bottom line. But even that's too much.
This is a Harvard Graduate who immigrated from Morocco. She's privileged and young. I grew up too poor to have any patience for her bullshit. Unlike Morocco, we have free speech here. This shit would get her arrested back home. The USA gave her an opportunity to prosper and improve her life...and she's bitching about her employer's choice to help a country defend itself in a literal life or death situation. Look...it's her right...she won't get arrested because we have free speech, but I hope she gets
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You have a rather distorted and selective view of "the right."
From where I sit, the right is populated by libertarians who hate being told what to do and it's the left that enforces strict conformity.
I'm sure there are some honest-to-God monarchists on the right and free-love let-it-all-hang-out types on the left but they don't set the tone for the average adherant.
Re: No, it's a very, very specific view (Score:2)
Ah. A hidden conspiracy under my own nose that I'm either in on or too stupid to see. Must be nice to have your finger so thoroughly on the pulse of reality. I envy your certitude. Apparently because I yearn for the stability of a guiding force to tell me what's what. /sarc.
In the beginning the universe was created. (Score:5, Funny)
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Outlook not so good?
I wish I had that level of "fuck you money." (Score:3, Interesting)
I fucking hate entitled social justice warriors who think they can spit in the face of a company while collecting a paycheck from them. I wish I had the level of "FUCK YOU MONEY" this entitled piece of shit has. Sorry, I have a family to feed. I don't have time for such bullshit.
Is MS a genocidal evil company?...maybe?...maybe not...stupid narcissistic stunts like this have not changed my mind. I just am irritated that I am busting my ass to provide for my family and pieces of shit like this have the money to waste it in such a stupid manner.
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id she move the needle and make me aware? No...all we're thinking about is her public demonstration. It's not helpful.
How can you not be aware when you admit it made you angry enough to post?
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I hope you're posting from India because otherwise I have bad news.
Re:So what you're saying? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: So what you're saying? (Score:2)
Did anyone teach you about Voltaire's attitude that "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to death your right to say it"?
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The prison is in El Salvador, and I don't think she's Venezuelan anyway. In fact, there's nothing in TFA/TFS about her immigration or citizenship status.
Re:Somebody just got into one-way trip (Score:4, Informative)
Not like it matters anymore. https://thehill.com/homenews/a... [thehill.com]
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In fact, there's nothing in TFA/TFS about her immigration or citizenship status.
Yup, though if ICE can snatch non-citizens off the street and deport them to a foreign prison w/o *any* due process, what's to prevent them from doing this to a U.S. citizen?
For example, the government admitted in court that they made a mistake and deported an innocent man (non gang member) from Maryland, a foreigner with valid legal resident status, but the government says there's nothing they can do because that person is now in El Salvadorian jurisdiction. Although... El Salvador has been very accomm
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If you read her email, she clearly states she's Palestinian.
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I meant we know nothing of her United States citizenship or immigration status, at least from TFA.
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To a Venezuelan super prison.
In other news we now use foreign prisons to get rid of dissidents.
It's Venezuelans to an El Salvador mega prison -- keep up. (*sigh*)
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Who, you?
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They've certainly got the experience, their systems were used to keep track of the Final Solution.