European Commission Takes Aim At End-to-End Encryption and Proposes Europol Become an EU FBI (therecord.media) 39
The European Commission has announced its intention to join the ongoing debate about lawful access to data and end-to-end encryption while unveiling a new internal security strategy aimed to address ongoing threats. From a report: ProtectEU, as the strategy has been named, describes the general areas that the bloc's executive would like to address in the coming years although as a strategy it does not offer any detailed policy proposals. In what the Commission called "a changed security environment and an evolving geopolitical landscape," it said Europe needed to "review its approach to internal security."
Among its aims is establishing Europol as "a truly operational police agency to reinforce support to Member States," something potentially comparable to the U.S. FBI, with a role "in investigating cross-border, large-scale, and complex cases posing a serious threat to the internal security of the Union." Alongside the new Europol, the Commission said it would create roadmaps regarding both the "lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement" and on encryption.
Among its aims is establishing Europol as "a truly operational police agency to reinforce support to Member States," something potentially comparable to the U.S. FBI, with a role "in investigating cross-border, large-scale, and complex cases posing a serious threat to the internal security of the Union." Alongside the new Europol, the Commission said it would create roadmaps regarding both the "lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement" and on encryption.
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And as far as changing EuroPol to something like the FBI is right now has the ability to INITIATE cases and investigations based on the details its gathered.. but right now EuroPol is more or less a response group..(ie: they are called in by the local/countries) and even then they have very limited jurisdiction on what they can investigate and resources they can command.. EuroPol operates (now) closer to LexusNexus (cross boarder information and coordination but very little power).. making it an "FBI" level agency means they actually can act and function like a police force, and coordinate with locals for higher/complex cases that span all of europe vs. instead of a glorified chatbot. And as its name implies EruoPol takes agents/personnel from all member states so unlike the so called Gestapo which was at the behest of a single group/country, its very much making it a UEU (United European Union).
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Which does nothing to explain why it is called a police office when it isn't one.
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Setting an end date for checks at 150 years is not difficult, even in COBOL.
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> Setting an end date for checks...
Yeah, make up whatever you want. The UCC has guidelines and generally a year is the maximum. ...150 years is not difficullt, even in COBOL.
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Good on you for making up stuff reflecting COBOL. Nothing in COBOL issues time limited checks -- not even the US SSA.
But it's ok. You probably meant Microsfot Paint.
https://www.huntington.com/lea... [huntington.com]
One year.
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Now all of that having been fun for the two of us, ACH/Wire info (the same in north America) lasts forever.
ACH auth i
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Absent US support, Europe is has been power that barely qualifies for a seat at the grownup table. Give them a wedgie and send them on their way.
So those who are not "grownup" enough, should be "given a wedgie" eh? How very...
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Yes please, cut us loose and take all your military bases with you.
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"lawful and effective backdoors" (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't worry. Only the good guys can get in
Nice (Score:2)
And the UK can't block it. :-)
FBI - suckage. Now EU wants to emulate it. (Score:2, Funny)
The FBI used to investigate interstate crimes in the US. Now they perpetrate fake terrorists. When they walk in the room that "whoosh" sound is them sucking. They've managed since 9/11 to become a joke of their own selves.
And now Europe wants to emulate that, with "Europol." Because Interpol was ALWAYS a joke. Oooh, red card. What is this, soccer for dummies? No black card no yellow card what? And now Europol because if you put "Euro" in front of something you can bet it will be awesome... like the
Not much about E2E (Score:5, Informative)
The Commission will present a roadmap setting out the legal and practical measures it proposes to take to ensure lawful and effective access to data. In the follow-up to this Roadmap, the Commission will prioritise an assessment of the impact of data retention rules at EU level and the preparation of a Technology Roadmap on encryption, to identify and assess technological solutions that would enable law enforcement authorities to access encrypted data in a lawful manner, safeguarding cybersecurity and fundamental rights.
So yes one outcome of such an assessment could very well be "lets end E2E encryption" but it could just as well end in simply stating that such a method is not possible.
We know (Score:3)
>"about lawful access to data and end-to-end encryption"
We already know how that is going to go. They want to either outlaw effective encryption (which means outlawing end-to-end), or they want to ruin encryption, itself, by somehow forcing a back door into it, which will inevitably be discovered or leaked and then jeopardize everyone's security everywhere.
I understand the needs of policing and enforcing. And it is sad for them that the concept of communication and data storage can exist without their ability to spy on it. But in today's world, you can't have ANY real security or privacy without full, unmolested, end-to-end encryption. If they, the supposedly "good" entities, can spy on it, then so can the "bad" entities.
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Indeed. Also "lawful" = "the fascists allow themselves to do it".
Fortunately, this cannot work. But politicians are stupid and discionnected.
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No, they want client side scanning.
Updates are still universal backdoors BTW. Unless you completely DIY you are always at the mercy of a third party, no exceptions. They can spy on it.
Europol? (Score:2)
I thought Interpol already existed for that purpose.
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While Europe has the EU, many EU departments (Eg. Europol) don't have jurisdiction inside member states, unlike the FBI/US Marshalls in the USA.
Once again (Score:1)
"The dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe." - Tom Wolfe
You can't ban math (Score:4)
There will always be a way to communicate securely, it's only a matter of how many hoops regulators will make you jump though to do it.
So only criminals will have encryption... (Score:2)
Becuse there is no way to enforce any such backdoors against people with some minimal knowledge and motivation to use it. The only real use of this is mass surveillance. And that is why the European Court of Justice has blocked this time and again.
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Yes, they are always greedy.
I'm pretty sure that if they simply said "all commercial services for voice and text communication must have provisions for judicially ordered wiretaps" the ECJ would not object. It's okay for legacy phones, so what would make apps special? Instead they always try to push mass surveillance and get nowhere.
Wait, Europol isn't that already? (Score:1)
(checks the website) A body that provides technical support to European police forces? That doesn't justify the damn name!