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Comic Sans Got the Last Laugh 57

On July 4, 2012, CERN physicist Fabiola Gianotti announced a major quantum field theory discovery using a PowerPoint presentation in Comic Sans, sparking both mockery and debate. The font, created by Vincent Connare for Microsoft Bob in 1994, featured deliberately imperfect letters inspired by comic books. Comic Sans shipped with Windows 95 and exploded in popularity as personal computing democratized typography. A backlash emerged as the font appeared on everything from funeral notices to museum signs, culminating in Dave and Holly Combs's "Ban Comic Sans" campaign.
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Comic Sans Got the Last Laugh

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  • by Pseudonymous Powers ( 4097097 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:43PM (#64885331)
    We fought a world war about it, and we can't even get rid of actual Nazis. What makes you think we can get rid of font snobs by waiting?
  • Soup Kitchens (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:49PM (#64885353) Homepage Journal

    Kudos to the physicist for doing real work and not wasting everybody's time with nonsense.

    The rest of them should be feeding the homeless if they have so much extra time on their hands.

  • Hear me out ... (Score:5, Informative)

    by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @03:56PM (#64885387)

    .... I've actually seen one place where a similar handwriting font is used and it is OK. Before you get your pitchforks:

    The awesome indie game Terraria uses a font based on Andy (typeface) [wikipedia.org] for its UI and it is perfectly fine. (Apparently Pokemon game cartridges also use it according to the Wiki.)

    The problem is 99% of the time time it shouldn't be used; clueless people don't understand why they aren't being taken seriously.

    A good rule-of-thumb is:

    * Sans Serif for Screens
    * Serif for Print

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I prefer san serif fonts for everything. Judging people by whether their letters have serifs is the weirdest sort of Sneetch-think.

      • It's not really a matter of judging people (shouldn't be, anyway).

        There are typographic 'rules' and principles that are there to make text clear, communicative and representative of a message or messenger.

        One doesn't think an architect snooty for designing a workmanlike building (not an art piece) well. Do you imagine the architect gets by without rules and principles?

    • by aaarrrgggh ( 9205 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @04:04PM (#64885437)

      I actually saw something similar where it was actually well composed visually. Then I worked with an engineer who would write reports with it...

      • Twenty years ago, I walked into a web developer job where the website had been done 100% with Comic Sans... guess what my first order of business was?

    • by rossdee ( 243626 )

      and a monospaced font for numbers...

    • They probably do get, they probably just don't care, and if it annoys someone who does all the better. What do think the response is going to be when you call them clueless?

      Frankly if you want to pick a more important script related issue they should have forced doctors to print instead of using cursive, anyway I think the prescriptions I get now are printed.

    • by jonadab ( 583620 )
      I have a sister who is an elementary school teacher and categorically refuses to use (in a professional capacity) fonts that have the "wrong" shapes for some of the letters, and by wrong, she means anything different from what young children are customarily taught to write by hand. The lowercase "a" and "g" are particularly at issue. She mostly uses Comic Sans, because it's consistently available on basically every computer, and it's usually the only available font that meets her most important criterion.
  • by MerlynEmrys67 ( 583469 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @04:02PM (#64885421)

    This is a new slashdot article on news that was reported 12 years ago?
    This has to be a dupe

  • by lsllll ( 830002 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @04:04PM (#64885433)

    The subject says "Comic Sans Got the Last Laugh", but there's nothing alluding to why in the summary. And the 2nd link in the summary goes to this very same Slashdot page, thus it's a circular link. Am I missing something?

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @04:09PM (#64885451)

    announced a major quantum field theory discovery ... in Comic Sans

    Comic Sans is a font of knowledge. :-)

    • Hmm, I somehow know some professors who use Comic Sans. I think it's their way to be funny or to say "don't just judge how things look like, look closely at the conveyed message". One prof even used sounds and funny animations for the slides in his lecture. Many students laughed at him. Many others who were smarter didn't.
  • When LeBron James left for Miami in 2010, owner Dan Gilbert of the Cleveland Cavaliers wrote a sort of jilted-owner open letter missive in which he described the "cowardly betrayal" by James. That letter was in Comic Sans MS.

    If memory serves, Gilbert described how the Cavaliers would win a championship before LeBron... Who, on his return a few years later, led the franchise to its sole championship. Whether that amounts to Comic Sans winning out in the end, I doubt. LBJ had won already in Miami. (Shrug.)

  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @04:39PM (#64885577)

    It's a font. If it's legible to the average person, who the hell actually cares about swash and serif? People in graphic design, who probably imagine other people care when generally we really, really don't.

    • by jddj ( 1085169 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @06:09PM (#64885817) Journal

      I don't think designers care so much what you think of Comic Sans.

      I think they care about clarity, legibility and the underlying message the font is sending.

      Something most non-designers aren't aware of is the many tiny differences between fonts for print and fonts for display. Print fonts are calibrated for things like laser print dot gain and offset ink spread, kerned differently for placement in a book vs. in a logo or on the side of a building. Often different fonts are used when the font is lighter than the background vs. the opposite, to keep the text legible.

      The democratization of typesetting means anyone can do it, but not that everyone can do it well, no more than having a Home Depot credit card makes one a homebuilder.

      Designers care that it's done well. Not what you think, and don't expect you to know all the minutae.

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by Baron_Yam ( 643147 )

        Uh huh. Pull the other one. I've worked with those people and watched them agonize over which font to use when most people can't tell the difference if you swap 'em out with everything else being equal. And I've seen them INSIST on purchasing a specific font because none of the ones packaged with their OS will do.

        It's just... stupid. Proportional spaced vs. monospaced, I get. Terminal vs. something with rounded edges I get. Occasionally something silly like a 'handwriting' look or a gothic font. But

        • Uh huh. Pull the other one. I've worked with those people and watched them agonize over which font to use when most people can't tell the difference if you swap 'em out with everything else being equal. And I've seen them INSIST on purchasing a specific font because none of the ones packaged with their OS will do.

          It's just... stupid. Proportional spaced vs. monospaced, I get. Terminal vs. something with rounded edges I get. Occasionally something silly like a 'handwriting' look or a gothic font. But for the most part if you're worrying about Arial vs. Montserrat you are worrying about something that very few people have the capacity to care less about.

          I think I understand your sentiment, the font you use for an average Word doc should not matter.
          On the other hand, when painting the interior of your house, you do not go to Home Depot and ask for "white paint". Everybody knows this.

          If you painted the walls, cabinets, trim and doors "white", and bought "white" tiles, that's a great way to get divorced, and best of luck selling it.

          There are times to pay attention to little details and times not to. Is the precise color of your bathroom special, or the exact

      • by Anonymous Coward

        When in reality NOBODY SANE CARES, because it doesn't matter.

        50 years ago, your choices were monospaced typewriter fonts or whatever was in the linotype machine. And today, nobody who isn't an obsessive compulsive idiot has any interest in the "many tiny differences" because they're utterly irrelevant.

        "Doing it well" just means it's readable. If it's readable, it's been done well.

    • It's a font. If it's legible to the average person, who the hell actually cares about swash and serif? People in graphic design, who probably imagine other people care when generally we really, really don't.

      Scroll through Netflix and look at the titles, the ones in the cover art. Or a bookshelf if you have one. If those were all the same font you'd scratch your eyes out. That's graphic design. It's one of those things you don't appreciate when it's done right and smacks you in the face when it's wrong. Try making a little texture for a bookshelf in a video game that doesn't look a stack of engine repair manuals.

      Really this applies to any kind of design. When it's right you don't pay attention, and when it's

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Used to know some kids who used to pass messages by changing the font to Wingdings before sending, and then the recipient would change it to something readable.

  • I made my chat font Comic Sans because I think it's funny that the "Supreme Allied Linux Commander" for our organization (me) uses Comic Sans on Skype For Business. Keeps 'em on their toes.

  • Undeserved bad rap (Score:5, Informative)

    by az-saguaro ( 1231754 ) on Tuesday October 22, 2024 @11:48PM (#64886327)

    Comic Sans gets a bad rap for the wrong reasons, and by now it is just a fashionable trope to derogate or make fun of it.

    It was issued early in 1994, when Win 3.11 was still the flagship product. This is when, just a couple of years earlier, MS and Windows added vector fonts, Truetype, to the system. You can rehash history talking about Apple & MS and others who contributed to Truetype, and the merits or not of Truetype versus then-king of vector fonts Adobe with its PostScript and Type 1 technologies. What matters is that vector fonts prevailed, and it is a huge bonus to typography, design, art, and the universal utility of computers.

    When MS issued its first set of vector .ttf fonts, 1992 as I recall, under Win 3.1, it carried on necessary standards of classical typography adapted to electronic technologies, with the special distinction that these were scale-independent wysiwyg types rather than bitmap fonts which were the only option prior to that. Standard fonts were Time New Roman, Arial, Courier, Symbol, Wingdings - i.e. the rudimentary basic typographic necessities to get your ideas and visions on paper with little effort. They also offered a FontPack which had many more, many of which were classic designs licensed from venerable foundries, logical choices to really bring vector fonts and Truetype to life, sell people on the idea, and give users some diversity in their typography.

    Windows 95 changed things by including a set of standard fonts that MS created that would be the system defaults for serif, sans serif, monospaced, etc. These were Times New Roman, Arial, Courier. But the Win 95 distro included a variety of others that allowed not just diversity of serifs and sans serifs, but diversity of cultural, historical, artistic typefaces - types for many typographic purposes. These include the "fun font" Comic Sans.

    For many people who understood computers or were fascinated to learn and adopt, the new fonts and wysiwyg publishing were a joy to play with. For others not so "into it", not nerds or computer savvy, instead just learning to use computers as a necessity of work or doing tasks at home, the font list offered choices, and who doesn't like choices? It was all like kids in a candy shop. And, if you weren't knowledgeable or savvy about typography, who cared what font you chose. If Comic Sans or anything else tickled your fancy, use it.

    Typography, printing, and fonts are not just arts but instruments of communication and civilization since circa 1550. Done well, the reader is unaware of how much proper type facilitates reading and gives an aura of "feel good" to what you are reading. For the professional printers and typographers, it is the very essence of their work to make type meet those standards. But, even crappy or silly fonts can be readable, so PC's have given us the latitude to create both memorable inspiring printworks along with mundane throwaway paperwork and ephemera that nobody cares they look crappy because they could and did read it and that's all that was needed.

    So, if Professor Neutron wants to publish "Quantifying a Quart of Quantum Qubits" in Comic Sans, that's his prerogative. If he publishes on his blog or at a meeting in Powerpoint, he can use what he wants. But, I suspect that Professor Neutron was himself one of those people not aware of or into fonts and typography, so used what tickled his fancy - hell, maybe he didn't even know how to change fonts - without having the same discriminating care for the quality of his presentation as he did for his research work. Which is okay. Of course, printed by a bona fide publisher, it is going to be printed in a proper font for respectable and archival typography.

    Note too that this 2024 report is about a PPT presentation 2012 (so, why are they reporting it now - who cares?). Perhaps Professor Neutron has by now adjusted his taste, from Ripple to a fine Cabernet of typography, or maybe he has learned to change the font that his wife or kids default to.

    • Very informative. Needs modding up.
      But I agree with others that Comic Sans gives a feel of utter casualness to the text and should be restricted to only comic strips and the like. While I am just a user of fonts, I intrinsically appreciate the big difference fonts create how on our impression of content. The analogy is design of a package for a product - the more attractive a package, the more weight (value) we implicitly attach to the product.

      • Yes, exactly. Fonts dress up your text for the occasion.

        The issue is not just pedantic. If someone gets up at a prestigious professional convention to deliver a paper, and if he is just wearing his underwear, or is dressed in a clown suit and clown wig, and punctuates his remarks by squeaking on a kazoo, he and his presentation lose credibility. Regardless the substance of the talk, if the presentation is incongruous and distracting, it gets laughs and disrespect or loses interest, all for the wrong reas

  • ...the difference between a font and a typeface.
    • by az-saguaro ( 1231754 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @01:17AM (#64886417)

      In conventional typography, with cast metal or wood carved types, a typeface is the design, the art, and a font is a collection of sorts in a given size.

      Sorts are characters, called "sorts" because metal sorts needed to be sorted into the bins in their typecase. A full font would typically have upper case (capitals, majuscules), lower case (minuscules), punctuation, numerals, "points" (various typographic symbols), and spaces and quadrats (shims that governed spacing between letters). Each font was just one size of a typeface. Classic size names for fonts were, for example, nonpareil, minion, brevier, bourgeois, primer, pica, english, paragon, and many others. The modern point system, now standard, where a point is one 72nd of an inch, debuted in 1879. Type foundries then gradually replaced classical font sizes with new fonts sized in points. But, no matter the sizing system, a font was a specific type size of a particular typeface, with all of the characters included. They were usually sold by weight, by the pound, with so many pounds of "lead type" (type metal was an alloy of lead-tin-antimony) having such and such number of sorts for the different characters.

      In modern times, the meaning of font has changed. In digital typography, a font is a file with vector outlines or pixel bitmaps. For bitmap fonts, there can be a separate file for each size (in the spirit of conventional metal fonts), or all sizes can be combined in one font, depending on the file extension format. For vector fonts like type 1, ttf, otf, the vector outlines allow the characters to be drawn at any arbitrary size and always look correct.

      A typeface is the design. Times Roman is a specific style of classic roman serif type. Garamond, Baskerville, Caslon, etc. - they are all classic metal serifs from centuries gone by, classics that still look and set beautifully, which is why they have been rendered into digital format. Although they are all serifs, they have nuanced differences that give them each a different look and mojo when printed. Each is a different typeface. Whether serif, sans serif, monospaced, "modern", "grunge", "circus", "victorian". "faux foreign", "comic book", "handwriting", "script", etc., any individual design or artistry of the letters is a typeface.

      In hot metal days, a font was an order of a specific typeface in a specific size. In digital times, a font is a file with one specific typeface that can be rendered in arbitrary sizes.

  • by vbdasc ( 146051 )

    Microsoft BOB got the last laugh.

  • by Fons_de_spons ( 1311177 ) on Wednesday October 23, 2024 @05:51AM (#64886713)
    Personally, I like the idea to present something in comic sans. It immediatly identifies the nitpickers, the sour ones, the ones that cannot think beyong a simple mistake that is not relevant and have the (oncontrollable?) urge to point it out.

    "Hey, did you hear? They found who organized the murder on John S. Kenedy!". "You mean John F. Kenedy?"
    "Yes that one, of course, sorry.".
    "Of course? John S. Kenedy is a totally different person. It is important to get it right. There are a lot of Kenedys. It could be an unknown individual or THE John F. Kenedy, it changes the entire story."
    "Sure, but they found his killer".
    "The killer of S. Kenedy or F. Kenedy?"
    "F KENEDY"
    "No need to raise your voice, are you sure that you have the correct name, because you are sloppy with names?"
    ...

    This comment would be better in comic sans.

    Remarks that it is KeNNedy incomming in 5... 4... 2... 1...
  • I think this is the article which should have been included somewhere. https://www.theatlantic.com/te... [theatlantic.com]
  • Was it written by a bot? This is the Comic Sans of Slashdot posts. Just useless. And yes, I am wasting my time to complain about it. If no one complains about the enshitification of the world, AI will think it's OK and feed us more.

  • > From today, all of CERN's official communication channels are switching to exclusive use of the font Comic Sans
    > 1 April, 2014
    > Former ATLAS spokesperson Fabiola Gianotti announces the change to Comic Sans

    you all have been had.

    https://home.cern/news/news/ce... [home.cern]

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