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67% of American Tech Workers Interested In Joining a Union (visualcapitalist.com) 27

Long-time Slashdot reader AsylumWraith writes: Visual Capitalist has posted an article and graph showing that, on average, 67% of US tech workers would be interested in joining a union.

The percentage is highest at companies like Intuit, with 94% or respondents indicating they'd be interested in joining a union. On the other end of the scale, fewer than half of the employees at Apple, Tesla, and Google, who were surveyed were interested in such a move.

67% of American Tech Workers Interested In Joining a Union

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  • by Tebriel ( 192168 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @01:41PM (#64826475)

    I'm curious how much that correlates with age? With age discrimination being a very real thing, and as a just-middle-aged software guy, the thought of some concrete protections for those of us getting up in years is very appealing.

    • because they grew up during the pre-India labor shortages. Survivor bias is a hell of a drug and every boomer and older Gen Xer I know that made it this far through layoffs thinks they're Richard Stallman by way of Albert Einstein (or vice versa).

      The kids know better. They go to meetings and see a see of cheap labor they're forced to compete with. They get laid off ever 2-5 years to bump the stock price for another round of buy backs no matter how productive they are. And every year price gouging eats u
      • Isn't it always your assertion that Elon treats his employees badly and outsources wherever possible? So why is Tesla at the bottom of this list?

        And I don't know what this "pre-India" shit is about. In the aughts I kept hearing not to bother going into tech because you'll just get offshored. Yet ten years later I went into it anyways and haven't seen even the slightest hint of that happening.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Higher value employees generally don't favour unions. They'd rather be paid their above average worth. Lower value employees would rather their pay be brought up to the average worth of all the employees.
  • by MpVpRb ( 1423381 ) on Sunday September 29, 2024 @02:02PM (#64826547)

    I started programming in 1972 when there weren't very many of us and even fewer good ones. Those of us who could demonstrate skills and produce good results were treated VERY well

    Then the word spread. A job in software is the key to riches. A flood of people with no talent or passion poured into schools and then into industry, believing that they could command the same high pay they read about. Few were excellent, most were mediocre or worse. The software world adapted by inventing tools and frameworks that allowed mediocre programmers to churn out mediocre code. Bosses noticed that extreme skill wasn't required to do this and looked for cheaper alternatives. India provided them

    Today there are still a few highly skilled and talented programmers who are treated well, but bosses often prefer to hire cheap people and treat them poorly. These are the people who want a union

    • Because programming is more or less a trade now and without unions trades get paid like shit because you can train somebody up on it in about a year maybe two at the most.

      People with advanced mathematics are the ones getting treated well. Typically people who have a specific niche skill that's needed. And the unemployment line is littered with people who developed those niche skills and technology moved on and they didn't have three or four years to spend obsessively building up a new niche skill set. O
      • What nonsense are you on about? Software developer positions are some of the best paying jobs on the planet and if it were so easy to replace the people who are great at it, they wouldn't be getting paid nearly as well. The demand is so great that even monkeys that can barely cobble together JavaScript taken from Stack Overflow can still get jobs when everyone is trying to hire more developers and it costs even more to hire the skilled developers with experience.

        Also trades get paid well. Look at how muc
    • This comes across to me as, "fuck you, I got mine." Maybe you're not like that in person, but that's the impression you're giving. And I think most of that deals with this assumption on your part:

      >Then the word spread. A job in software is the key to riches. A flood of people with no talent or passion poured into schools and then into industry

      Now, I don't know much about your life, and maybe you've been lucky to avoid the boom and bust cycles of our economy, and maybe you just chalk that up to being a

  • by PPH ( 736903 )

    Because I want some union to take a few hundred a month out of my paycheck. And claim that they got me the raise that my employer was more than happy to pay me due to my skills and experience anyway. But then turn around and hand a pretty big chunk of that to some socialist political organization. Who are accusing me of fomenting inequality because of my pay disparity.

  • Growing up in 70s Britain, my experience of unions was extremely negative; they nearly ran the country into the ground until Margaret Thatcher beat them down. In 1990 I got a public sector job. A few years later it imposed a 'job evaluation scheme' which tried to equate the level of skills in different departments in order to pay on the basis of skill, not the level of wages necessary to recruit for the job. However one effect of this was to mean some of the employees were expected to take LARGE pay cuts -

  • After decades doing software, and watching some others be soundly abused, but refusing to consider uniting and speaking with one voice, they're finally wising up? Hooray. If you act like a doormat, you'll get stepped on. Its that simple.

  • 67% of American Tech Workers Interested In Joining a Union

    Then those workers have a good metric for their voting this year as one political party is pro-union and the other is not.

  • Software developers think of themselves as white collar professionals and I think the reality is that software is the next blue collar playing field

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