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'AI May Not Steal Many Jobs After All' (apnews.com) 62

Alorica — which runs customer-service centers around the world — has introduced an AI translation tool that lets its representatives talk with customers in 200 different languages. But according to the Associated Press, "Alorica isn't cutting jobs. It's still hiring aggressively." The experience at Alorica — and at other companies, including furniture retailer IKEA — suggests that AI may not prove to be the job killer that many people fear. Instead, the technology might turn out to be more like breakthroughs of the past — the steam engine, electricity, the internet: That is, eliminate some jobs while creating others. And probably making workers more productive in general, to the eventual benefit of themselves, their employers and the economy. Nick Bunker, an economist at the Indeed Hiring Lab, said he thinks AI "will affect many, many jobs — maybe every job indirectly to some extent. But I don't think it's going to lead to, say, mass unemployment.... "

[T]he widespread assumption that AI chatbots will inevitably replace service workers, the way physical robots took many factory and warehouse jobs, isn't becoming reality in any widespread way — not yet, anyway. And maybe it never will. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said last month that it found "little evidence that AI will negatively impact overall employment.'' The advisers noted that history shows technology typically makes companies more productive, speeding economic growth and creating new types of jobs in unexpected ways... The outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas, which tracks job cuts, said it has yet to see much evidence of layoffs that can be attributed to labor-saving AI. "I don't think we've started seeing companies saying they've saved lots of money or cut jobs they no longer need because of this,'' said Andy Challenger, who leads the firm's sales team. "That may come in the future. But it hasn't played out yet.''

At the same time, the fear that AI poses a serious threat to some categories of jobs isn't unfounded. Consider Suumit Shah, an Indian entrepreneur who caused a uproar last year by boasting that he had replaced 90% of his customer support staff with a chatbot named Lina. The move at Shah's company, Dukaan, which helps customers set up e-commerce sites, shrank the response time to an inquiry from 1 minute, 44 seconds to "instant." It also cut the typical time needed to resolve problems from more than two hours to just over three minutes. "It's all about AI's ability to handle complex queries with precision,'' Shah said by email. The cost of providing customer support, he said, fell by 85%....

Similarly, researchers at Harvard Business School, the German Institute for Economic Research and London's Imperial College Business School found in a study last year that job postings for writers, coders and artists tumbled within eight months of the arrival of ChatGPT.

On the other hand, after Ikea introduced a customer-service chatbot in 2021 to handle simple inquiries, it didn't result in massive layoffs according to the article. Instead Ikea ended up retraining 8,500 customer-service workers to handle other tasks like advising customers on interior design and fielding complicated customer calls.
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'AI May Not Steal Many Jobs After All'

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 08, 2024 @05:44PM (#64772806)

    and now AI is making it even flatter. None of this really seems very helpful to the average person living in a first world country though.

    • by Rei ( 128717 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:18AM (#64773832) Homepage

      Increasing worker productivity means more goods and services produced per worker, which means more goods and services available on the market for a given employment figure. If income inequality remains constant, everyone's consumption of goods and services can grown directly proportional to worker productivity.

      Poverty is the state of being unable to get sufficient needed goods and services. Growing worker productivity - again, all issues of distribution remaining unchanged - directly fights poverty.

      If a farmer is growing cotton by hand, and a spinner spinning it by hand, and a weaver weaving it by hand, and a seamstress sewing it by hand, and there's like a month's of human labour embodied in every set of clothes, that means that (in an income-flat society) buying a single set of clothes would take 1/12th of your annual pretax salary, and before any taxes on said clothes. But put machines into the picture to improve worker productivity and reduce the labour to just one day, again apart from taxes, it's down to just 1/365th of your annual salary.

      Growth in worker productivity due to advancing technology is *very much* in peoples' interest.

      As for this article, this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone except idiots. This is just classic Jevon's Paradox [wikipedia.org]. Humans are insatiable. Make production more efficient, and instead of people working less, they just consume more. Got more money? "Oh hey, you know, I'd like a new car. Make it a luxury sports car! No, two! And a jet ski! And a private plane! And a yacht! Make it a megayacht! And a private island to moor my yacht at. No, a bigger island!" I'm not sure people would even be content with having their own Dyson Sphere if the couple in the next star system over had a bigger, nicer one around a better star.

      Getting social expectations of "appropriate amounts of work hours" down is a long, fraught process that generally faces heavy pushback. Until AI can automate everything, one can expect productivity to trend up much faster than work hours can trend down.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09, 2024 @02:59PM (#64775294)

        The problem is that growing worker productivity doesn't mean more pay. Someone running sewing machines is doing tens to hundreds of times as much work as a seamstress who had a needle and thread in the past... but they get paid less, after all is said and done, and their buying power is greatly diminished.

        An IT person using a CM tool or GPOs can manage thousands of machines, but their buying power is greatly diminished compared to a UNIX admin who used to telnet in machines manually, 20+ years ago, especially with houses.

        That increased worker productivity doesn't do anything for the workers, but it ensures a few people have some damn nice yachts, planes, and estates in the Hamptons.

        A worker doing minimum wage isn't seeing anything of the higher productivity. In fact, a lot of places, especially restaruants, have such a bare-bones staff that if someone is sick, the place has to shut down. Why should they give a rat's ass of better producitivity when it goes to buy their boss's boss a new Maybach, but they can't even have a wage that keeps up with inflation, much less rent doublings?

        Hell with productivity increases. They mean nothing for the average person.

  • by SlashTex ( 10502574 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @05:51PM (#64772824)

    Bu in this example the AI layer translates, so they need the same number of workers.

    Most call centers can (and I think will) have 90% of the workers replaced by AI. And, for the most part, more "knowledgable", efficient, and much cheaper. BTW I've done analyics on call centers (AT&T) and can tell you that all of those recorded calls provide a very rich training set. I do think it will require keeping your best reps and rolling out stuff gradually so they can continue to update the training sets, so less flexible and responsive to change, so some drawbacks.

    • by LindleyF ( 9395567 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @05:55PM (#64772838)
      The problem is that if I could solve the problem on a website, I wouldn't be calling. Calling means I need something unusual. I'm not sure AI will do well with that.
      • by dinfinity ( 2300094 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:33PM (#64772888)

        Most people call for really stupid shit, though.
        I've done phone support for a local ISP and have had calls for people who couldn't get their Harry Potter CD-ROM to work, and people who had Capslock on, etc.

        The other way around I've had tons of frustrating encounters with oldschool 'chatbots' (basically web forms forced into question and answer forms linked to a weak FAQ/KB search), and endless calls with utterly incompetent unhelpful people hellbent on sticking to their support scripts.

        We're already at the point that if a company has public forums of some kind, asking ChatGPT for solutions for your specific issue is by far the most efficient starting point.

        • by Rei ( 128717 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:37AM (#64773876) Homepage

          Yeah, like when I'm programming, 90% of the time it's much faster just to just ask an AI (Claude is my go-to for programming) than to Google it; Google has become my fallback option. It's mainly just needed for this scenario [xkcd.com]. Some obscure error message that you need to dig up in some old web forum from ages ago.

          I like the experience more, too. Like, in Cursor, I can type a description of the goal into the AI before I've even assessed whether the fix will be long and tedious or just a quick typo, and start checking it out manually. Before I've even had time to understand what's going on the AI is usually already back with its answer, presented as a diff in the code, and I can immediately see, "Oh yeah, that's what the problem was!" and just confirm it (90+% of the time), or "Nah, that's not the root problem", and reject it with little time spent (but even the rejections are still often useful in pointing you in the right direction). Or if I know it's going to be long and tedious and the AI will probably do a good job, I just tell it to do the task and then spend the next 30 second relaxing looking out the window, or getting myself a snack, or whatnot, something a lot more enjoyable than implementing the task. I sit back down and then just review the diff.

          And because it codes so quickly compared to a human (can't wait until these systems are on ASICs like Groq or Cerebras), it doesn't need to be perfect. You can just say, "Meh, looks good", accept it, try it, and see if it works (usually does), and if not, just try again. The AIs seem a far *better* at avoiding common programming errors (typos, OBOEs, out-of-bounds, memory management, avoiding lazy shortcuts, etc) than humans; their biggest weaknesses are 1) not having "the big picture", and also 2) working blind (not seeing the output).

          In my current project, the biggest limitation on using the AI is that I'm working with geopandas data, so basically like a flat database file, and the AI doesn't know what's in it or what it's like, but the code is still responsible for processing it and all of its weird little edge cases. Like, for example, a city states that it's in "Macedonia", but the country is actually called "North Macedonia", so it can't find its referenced parent - stuff like that. So this has forced me into a lot more human coding (and human-examining-the-data-to-see-what-the-heck-is-happening), with the AI just doing "support work". By contrast, on the frontend, I leave like 90% of tasks to the AI.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:06PM (#64772934)

        Calling means I need something unusual.

        Not true for 100% of calls. And even if it's a small number, the corpos still use tier1 meatshields to:

        1) Deal with x% who could have solved the problem on the website and called anyway
        2) Deal with y% who have a /slightly/ unusual problem that T1 is allowed to touch
        3) Fend off z% who have any problem, they don't actually care if you're helped or not
        4) Escalate in the event that xyz fail (again, you getting fed up in Z is preferred to escalation)

        AI would do these about as well as humans. Your extraspecial needs would have to drill to #4 in either scenario. Even if quality suffers, capitalism is naturally contrary to all but the most immediately obvious forms of quality. "It's just good business."

      • by madbrain ( 11432 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:53PM (#64773008) Homepage Journal

        Same. At best the Chatbot can get ahold of the person in the right department to chat with or call . But I don't think I have ever had a chat bot fully resolve one of my problems .

      • by jezwel ( 2451108 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @10:25PM (#64773164)

        The problem is that if I could solve the problem on a website, I wouldn't be calling. Calling means I need something unusual. I'm not sure AI will do well with that.

        It sounds like you know - and perform - the rudiments of problem solving. Be advised that there are massive numbers of people without this skill, or refuse to apply it if they do. They'll call for an update on their ticket - which they can see if they looked themselves. They'll log tickets for things they already have. They'll log tickets to fix things they don't have, but want to have. They'll log tickets to change something they don't have. They'll log tickets asking how to ask for something. They'll log tickets saying they couldn't find something - even though to log a ticket like this you have to deliberately skip the links to the product they're looking for.
        Just today the person that had arranged the procurement of several servers asked if I could help install their serverOS of choice.

        tl,dr: a chatbot feature that could answer obvious questions removes the tedious and allow value-add services to be performed.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:30PM (#64772878)
      Businesses really, really WANT to use AI to eliminate people, because that would mean more profits. They just haven't figured out how to do it .... yet.
      • by Visarga ( 1071662 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @12:22AM (#64773282)
        What do companies want, to reduce costs or to increase profits? There's a small difference. Fire human employees, you economize on their salaries, which is 30-60% of the total cost. Keep humans and exploit AI better, you might get 10x the profits. There's more upside to using humans on top of AI.
    • by NicknameUnavailable ( 4134147 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:33PM (#64772980)

      Most call centers can (and I think will) have 90% of the workers replaced by AI. And, for the most part, more "knowledgable", efficient, and much cheaper.

      AI is at best on par with an Indian tech support line: e.g. it won't solve any problems, will piss off your customers, and will waste time and money. Though it does have 1 thing going for it: unlike an Indian tech support service it won't try to bankrupt your company when you realize it is losing you customers and wasting money, give it time to catch up though I guess.

    • by redmid17 ( 1217076 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @07:47AM (#64773898)
      I don't know what first hand experience you've got with call centers and customer service, but the existing AI is so absolutely shit that it couldn't come close to that 90%. I doubt AI could get more than a 25% FCR with anything but the simplest transactions.
    • by ctilsie242 ( 4841247 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:52PM (#64775446)

      Both are horrible, and neither fixes your problem. The offshore call centers try reading a script in a heavy accent, and when they can't fix a problem, they will just hang up on you, or throw you on hold. The AI stuff -might- do something when it realizes it goes around and around in a loop, or it might just say "buh-bye", and cut the call.

      Both are absolute failures in customer service.

  • by blahbooboo ( 839709 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @05:53PM (#64772832)
    They may be LLM models, but they still stink to actually get your issue solved. Never understood the hype that they could replace humans when every time I tried to use the chatbot it stunk and couldnt do better than give me to a human to solve the issue.
    • by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:43PM (#64772908)

      Solving the issue is a rather secondary concern with support departments. Their main purpose is to make you FEEL LIKE you have so support. That's why soft skills are valued more by them verses, you know, actually being competent. If the rep can make you think they care and are trying to resolve your issue you're not likely to cancel service/rant on social media/etc.

      I've been watching this play out myself the last decade from the inside. Hiring standards going down for new reps. Most recently there has been an adoption of AI assisted troubleshooting tools and an interaction is less about actually resolving the customer's problem and more about documenting it thoroughly to send the issue up to don't secondary level for real work.

    • by mukundajohnson ( 10427278 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:19PM (#64772964)

      Don't underestimate just how many tickets are from people who can't find an easy to find answer.

  • by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:18PM (#64772862) Homepage
    Anyone saying AI won't "steal" mamy jobs in the near future, is completely ignorant and very naive. We're still just at the start of what AI can do, and it already can do so much which is mindblowing, and it will only get better.
    • Re:How naive (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:32PM (#64772880)

      We're still just at the start of what AI can do, and it already can do so much which is mindblowing, and it will only get better.

      It seems your mind is easily blown. I am much less than impressed.

      • by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:35AM (#64773634) Homepage
        Or your mind doesn't see the implications of what's already possible and can see what it will be able to do in the near future. Or you just haven't seen enough and only tried some simple things.
        • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @10:13AM (#64774368)

          You are grasping at straws. I, on the other hand, have followed AI research for something like 35 years and I am a CS type with an engineering PhD. Guess who of us two sees reality in the AI space more clearly.

          Incidentally, the current LLMs are not "early products" which would then have a lot of room for optimizations. They are the end-product of about 70 years of research and they are pathetic. "Better search" and "better crap" is about all they can do and whether the search is really better is debatable. And just as a historic side-note, IBM Watson of vintage 2011 already had that hallucination problem and they did not manage to fix it in all that time.

          • by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:48PM (#64775428) Homepage
            Funny how it is always people who boast having a PhD are the ones that are very close minded and can't look into the future. I have no engineering PhD, but I am a CS type for almost 43 years. And AI might not be so great in your eyes, but it is already pretty solid for replacing jobs. But hee, keep being close minded and see how it all goes in 10-20 years. Yes AI has already been in the works for many decades, but only the last decade has the power of computers increased to make it a reality to have much more advanced AI.
    • by PsychoSlashDot ( 207849 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:54PM (#64773010)

      Anyone saying AI won't "steal" mamy jobs in the near future, is completely ignorant and very naive.

      "Ikea ended up retraining 8,500 customer-service workers to handle other tasks like advising customers on interior design and fielding complicated customer calls."

      If Ikea needed 8,500 such people, why hadn't they hired them previously? The cynic in me figure next year there'll be a quiet press release about layoffs due to "restructuring" and "efficiencies".

    • by Visarga ( 1071662 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @12:27AM (#64773284)
      In the last 30 years computers have become a million times faster, more distributed, with larger bandwidth and almost all of us are on it. In the same time we have seen thousands of open and closed source softwares being made, that carry much of our computing infrastructure today. Why do we still have so many jobs in IT? Shouldn't the IT job market have been reduced by a million times? It looks like all that automation and power is not making us jobless. Why do we still have so many accountants, it's been decades since Excel.
      • by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:32AM (#64773628) Homepage
        But many jobs have been replaced already by automation, and AI/General purpose robots will only go faster at replacing jobs but not creating new jobs. If we didn't have Excel we would have much MUCH more people still working in accountancy offices to provide the information needed for the accountant. Excel is a good example of a tool that has actually replaced a lot of jobs, just like Word and printers have. But in case you haven't noticed, even accountants are being replaced by AI as AI can do their work much faster/better once they've learned it. Yes at this time there still will be more then enough accountants, but in a couple of years the number of people working in an accountantoffice will reduce significantly again, without real replacement jobs. Why hire a person if AI can do it better/faster, just like what happened in factories, people being replaced by machines and robots, as those could do it much faster and better as humans, and a lot of those people never got a new job.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:17AM (#64773482)

      Anyone saying AI won't "steal" mamy jobs in the near future, is completely ignorant and very naive. We're still just at the start of what AI can do, and it already can do so much which is mindblowing, and it will only get better.

      About nine months ago our (big, international, but also budget conscious) employer allowed us to start using Github Copilot. They wanted to ensure their corporate IP remained safe, and presumably negotiated a licensing deal.

      In this time the quality of the help I get from this has been slowly creeping down - not up, as one would expect from incremental improvements.

      Subjective anecdote of one (and maybe a few colleagues), I know, but still - I'm not at all in agreement with you. I just don't see it.

    • by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @04:53AM (#64773608)
      "AI is going to get better" is the common refrain of those seeking investors, funding, publicity, etc.. However, it looks like LLMs have already reached their natural limits. See: https://helenbeetham.substack.... [substack.com] It looks like making the models bigger & more efficient won't make them any more effective, just more expensive for small & diminishing gains.

      As far as I can see, LLMs appear to be an elaborate kind of mechanical Turk that automate repeating variations on millions of previously written texts & the training by humans that AI companies rarely talk about. If the text hasn't been written many times before, the LLM can't repeat the work. The intelligence isn't artificial, it's distinctly human & AI's biggest trick is convincing the unaware that it's doing the thinking; it isn't, it's thinking that we do & have already done many times before. AI is useless without us & apparently not all that useful even with us, e.g. it takes skilled operators & experts to get reliably "good" results out of it.
      • by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @05:24AM (#64773620) Homepage

        If the text hasn't been written many times before, the LLM can't repeat the work.

        ah, just like a real human. We humans learn pretty much the same way. We also 'copy' things from what we've seen and heard before, we wouldn't be here is people before us hadn't learned things from others and expanded on it, just like AI does. LLMs is just a part of AI, it isn't AI in itself.

  • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:20PM (#64772868)
    AI or technology in general will eliminate some jobs, but that just frees up humans to work other jobs as has been the case since the start of the industrial revolution. The humans having their jobs eliminated will be upset about it, yet the world will move on and in time people will use those jobs as the latest example of carriage manufacturers or telephone switchboard operators.

    The flip side of technological advances making something less expensive usually means people will consume more of it. When textile mills started using power looms it put seamstresses working out of their homes out of the job, but people bought more socks and other clothes instead of the same amount at a lower price.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:33PM (#64772886)

      You think people will consume more tech support?

      • by Bobknobber ( 10314401 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:45PM (#64772910)

        Given how tech illiterate people are becoming if Gen Z is any indication, that might be the case.

        • by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:32PM (#64772976)

          I don't think it's any more or less than any other generation.

          Truth be told, if anybody is feeling insecure about their job, it's more likely because they feel insecure about their own intellect compared to an LLM. I've seen my fair share of tech support people who can't troubleshoot. Basically if they don't have a script that covers the problem, then they're basically at their wit's end and have to escalate to somebody who can troubleshoot. Could LLM replace them? Probably. For a car analogy: If rsilvergun ever managed to get a car and then popped a tire, instead of pulling over and taking 5 minutes to swap it out with a spare, he'd probably drive until his car is stuck in the middle of the road somewhere, then call roadside assistance and wait 45 minutes. This is exactly why he's always fearmongering over AI. And he's not gen-Z either, he's a boomer.

          • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @09:17PM (#64773074)

            Truth be told, if anybody is feeling insecure about their job, it's more likely because they feel insecure about their own intellect compared to an LLM.

            You have a point. LLMs have no insight, but tons of data. As such they are ahead of a human with no insight. And there are quite a few of those.

          • by Bobknobber ( 10314401 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @11:49PM (#64773262)

            Insecurity is one thing, but given how US companies like laying off employees even when they perform exceptionally I can understand the concern; labor being treated as a race to the bottom.
            If the US did not have such a skewered view of labor and the employee-employer dynamic then I would agree that concerns over automation are exaggerated. But this is a country that outsourced nearly its entire manufacturing industry to poor countries to save on labor costs. Skills and hard work are not as valued as they once were in this economy.

            • by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @12:31AM (#64773288)

              Insecurity is one thing, but given how US companies like laying off employees even when they perform exceptionally

              If you were paying the kid down the street to mow your lawn until you replaced it with xeriscape that's basically zero maintenance and more environmentally sensible, then you better keep paying him anyways or else you're just treating labor as a race to the bottom.

              Nobody in their right mind is going to just keep paying for work that they don't need anymore. Doesn't matter if you're an individual or a big business.

              • by Bobknobber ( 10314401 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @11:10AM (#64774568)

                Automation does not apply to just unskilled labor. Skilled, white collar jobs if anything are what will likely be hit the hardest. Turns out making a lawn mower robot is harder then making an AI model that churns out art and books in the span of a few seconds.

                Also, you ignore the fact that employees do not see things the same way an enterprise does when it comes to layoffs. While a company may consider it necessary, employees will likely see it as a net negative and feel much less motivated to work hard. After all, why work faster and harder if all it does is put you out of a job quicker?

                • by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Tuesday September 10, 2024 @07:41PM (#64778551)

                  Automation does not apply to just unskilled labor. Skilled, white collar jobs if anything are what will likely be hit the hardest.

                  People have been saying this for decades. I still remember during the early aughts being told that IT and programming jobs were all going to India. Yet two years ago I got hired into a programming job after just one year of experience, and last year I brought in over $260k. I've seen all of zero indication that anybody wants to move what I do to India any time soon.

                  All I've seen of "AI" is it can make some rote things I do quicker, but that's about it.

                  Turns out making a lawn mower robot is harder then making an AI model that churns out art and books in the span of a few seconds.

                  That's just the thing -- they already did. A long time ago.

                  https://youtube.com/watch?v=RG... [youtube.com]

                  Also, you ignore the fact that employees do not see things the same way an enterprise does when it comes to layoffs. While a company may consider it necessary, employees will likely see it as a net negative and feel much less motivated to work hard. After all, why work faster and harder if all it does is put you out of a job quicker?

                  Not all employees view work the way you do. You see that YouTube video I linked? I wouldn't even do that job. Unless a job is in some way interesting, I don't want to do it at all. Maybe you get a kick out of doing the same rote stuff all day every day, but I personally can't stand it.

                  Every job I've ever had, I've always tried to find a way to do it more efficiently, if not remove the need to do it outright. You know what happened the one time I got laid off? Had a brief panic because I only had enough money saved up for three months worth of rent, but it tuned out fine in the end. I got a severance for six weeks of pay and found another job that paid almost twice as much as the previous one before that six weeks was even over. The job I got laid off from was boring as fuck and only paid about $45k.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:25PM (#64772970)

      AI or technology in general will eliminate some jobs, but that just frees up humans to work other jobs as has been the case since the start of the industrial revolution.

      Not many jobs around that don't involve the use of machines since the industrial revolution. You don't seem to understand that AI will displace people, it's not going to make everyone more productive.

    • by bussdriver ( 620565 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @08:06PM (#64773020)

      Productivity gains = fewer jobs required.
      We already have a ton of BS jobs that are unimportant... just how many jobs can we make up to keep everybody employed?

      Augmented Intelligence is the real problem. An uneducated kid in a sweat shop playing a game that helps the machine do much higher skilled work is a bigger problem.

      My dystopian future: the terminators keep farms of humans alive to solve CAPCHA like problems it struggles with. We become analog calculators.

  • by migos ( 10321981 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @06:58PM (#64772924)
    It's just a matter of time. It shouldn't take long before AI beats low quality tech support people in performance
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:11PM (#64772944)

    Handing out ridiculous bonuses to employees of his inner circle for using ChatGPT as if it will be able to replace all those pesky employees.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @07:31PM (#64772974)
    You can have a single rep taking phone calls for dozens of different projects and companies and businesses. The result is you have absolutely no downtime, hell you probably have them doing five or six chats at once.

    It's not just about direct job loss it's also about the massive increase to productivity. If productivity increases companies don't hire more they pocket those savings for themselves. Yes they might expand a little bit on their side but there are only expanding because they're taking over customer service roles from other companies as an outsourcer. But the net result is that you've got one person doing the work of two or three.

    That can work when there is land to expand into. But we don't build new cities anymore and we don't really expand anything anymore. We don't have the endless growth or system is built on top of any longer. We can't grow our way out of our problems like we did for the last 100 years.
  • by echostorm ( 865318 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @08:40PM (#64773046)

    nobody can steal something you don't have

  • by RazorSharp ( 1418697 ) on Sunday September 08, 2024 @09:42PM (#64773104)

    If AI doesn't replace jobs then it isn't doing its job. Previous technological advances also contributed to population booms, massive infrastructure advances, and new industries. How will AI contribute to any of those things? The difference between AI and the major technological leaps in the past is that those previous leaps provided new capabilities. The steam engine allowed us to transport large amounts of cargo very long distances without relying on waterways. We could mine in remote locations and get that ore to major centers of industry.

    What new capabilities does the crap OpenAI is producing promise? It's not designed to improve upon what we're already doing, it's designed to replace humans labor.

  • by Targon ( 17348 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:59AM (#64773548)

    Here in the USA, it is now accepted(and hated), that many customer service jobs have been outsourced to places like India or the Philippines, where the people answering calls don't speak English well, but are working jobs that require talking to those in the USA, which creates a language barrier. If the job itself is done by those in other countries, then the government in the USA won't necessarily notice or care if THOSE jobs are replaced by AI, because they are already lost to the USA anyway.

    Understanding what people are asking is really the first step to these AI/language recognition systems, and once the need of the caller is figured out, then customer service or tech support that requires more actual skill can then be sent to a rep for resolution. It is those low or no skill jobs that will go first, and even the employees HERE, will be happy when these no-skill positions will be gone, because it makes THEM more efficient(not having to figure out what those low or no skill people actually claim the customer needs isn't always easy).

    Manufacturing jobs when done by machine, could be done here in the USA instead of China or wherever, once the level of automation becomes a bit more advanced. Again, the government here in the USA won't care if jobs that have already been lost to globalization are now gone from being done by people. And honestly, we might even see better quality controls, because clothing items that should be the same size for example, won't be, "try 4 of the same item on, two fit properly, the other two are obviously NOT correct".

    Outsourcing already lost jobs here in the USA, so if AI brings that stuff in AI form to the USA, that only hurts the abused workers in China and other places where only the factory owners get a better life from it.

  • by byronivs ( 1626319 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @08:39AM (#64774058) Journal
    I'm glad that's over.
  • by RossCWilliams ( 5513152 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @12:44PM (#64774872)

    Like all technological change people overestimate how quickly the changes by AI will occur and underestimate how profound those changes will be. If your job is based on your knowledge of a topic AI can replace you. It has a perfect memory, it only needs to learn things once to "know" them and if will consistently provided the "right" answer once it has learned it.

    On the other hand, if your job depends on human relationships, AI can't provide that. It can't empathize, it can't smile, it cant flirt, it can't comfort. It can and will mimic those things in some circumstances, but where human connectionss are a central function of the job it will never be able to provide that.

    What does that mean for the future? I really have no idea. But if you are McDonald's AI may be able to replace managers rather than the people taking orders. In terms of customer service call centers you may need just as many people on the phones, but AI can provide all the technical knowledge and support.

    On a higher level, if you are a doctor you still need to be able to communicate with patients. But AI will provide the knowledge about both diagnosis and treatment. And it will diagnosis obscure diseases as easily as common ones and instantly recognize potential drug interactions. And it will always be up to date on the recent new drugs, treatments and medical knowledge. It may even be able to instantly recognize a "hot spot" of a new virus before it spreads.

    Will it add value? The obvious answer is yes wherever human memory or attention can cause failure. And there are likely a lot of other human weaknesses that it will remove. It will never have a "bad day". If your job depends on knowledge or manipulating information you are probably replaceable by AI because it will do your job better, not just cheaper.

  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @01:35PM (#64775076) Homepage

    If AI isn't going to take our jobs, I guess I'm just going to have to keep working to get my money. Drats!

  • by GeekWithAKnife ( 2717871 ) on Monday September 09, 2024 @03:25PM (#64775364)
    A lot of people that thought they lost their jobs to immigrants will now have to also face the terrifying prospect that it's probably not because of AI either.

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