Raspberry Pis Get a Built-in Remote-Access Tool: Raspberry Pi Connect (arstechnica.com) 36
An anonymous reader shares a report: One Raspberry Pi often leads to another. Soon enough, you're running out of spots in your free RealVNC account for your tiny boards and "real" computers. Even if you go the hardened route of SSH or an X connection, you have to keep track of where they all are. All of this is not the easiest thing to tackle if you're new to single-board computers or just eager to get started.
Enter Raspberry Pi Connect, a new built-in way to access a Raspberry Pi from nearly anywhere you can open a browser, whether to control yourself or provide remote assistance. On a Raspberry Pi 4, 5, or Pi 400 kit, you install Pi connect with a single terminal line, reboot the Pi, and then click a new tray icon to connect the Pi to a Raspberry Pi ID (and then enable two-factor authentication, of course). From then on, visiting connect.raspberrypi.com gives you an encrypted connection to your desktop. It's a direct connection if possible, and if not, it runs through relay servers in London, encrypting it with DTLS and keeping only the metadata needed for the service to work. The Pi will show a notification in its tray that somebody has connected, and you can manage screen sharing from there.
Enter Raspberry Pi Connect, a new built-in way to access a Raspberry Pi from nearly anywhere you can open a browser, whether to control yourself or provide remote assistance. On a Raspberry Pi 4, 5, or Pi 400 kit, you install Pi connect with a single terminal line, reboot the Pi, and then click a new tray icon to connect the Pi to a Raspberry Pi ID (and then enable two-factor authentication, of course). From then on, visiting connect.raspberrypi.com gives you an encrypted connection to your desktop. It's a direct connection if possible, and if not, it runs through relay servers in London, encrypting it with DTLS and keeping only the metadata needed for the service to work. The Pi will show a notification in its tray that somebody has connected, and you can manage screen sharing from there.
Another cloud-based management tool? (Score:5, Insightful)
How wonderful. One more security risk. Yey.
Re:Another cloud-based management tool? (Score:4, Informative)
Yes and no. It can work strictly on a LAN or by directly accessing a Pi's outward-facing IP address, similar to RealVNC presently. It can also route the connection through RPi Foundation's servers, if "direct dial" to the target Pi isn't available. Bonus: the connection will tell you if it is routing through the servers.
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As long as it can detect (and connect to) LAN-based Pi devices without having to sign up for an account, it's all good.
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Well, it's not enabled by default. And it seems to allow some amount of customisation regarding using local lan / internet etc.
So as long as you don't install random stuff on whatever device you use without knowing what you are installing, I guess you are safe.
If you have a habit of installing random crap in whatever devices you own / control, I think there is a bigger problem.
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Maybe I should have been more verbose.
A tool which enables remote connections WITHIN LAN, and WITHOUT ever going outside LAN, is great.
A tool which requires you to access and use an external URL (and create an account there), is not.
The article itself says "Click this icon and choose “Sign in” to get started." - which means you absolutely HAVE to create an account / sign in to an external page, which means the whole solution is externally-managed.
No, just NO.
Furthermore, there is no mention of w
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It reads like a parody of infomercials. "Are you tired of keeping track of all your Raspberry PIs?" As if this is a problem people have.
It definitely won't help with most people's Raspberry PIs, which are sitting disused in a box somewhere in the garage because the hobby-motivation fizzled out.
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I guess they just mean which physical network they are on. If you lost it in a corner of your house, you will never find it with this.
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> If you lost it in a corner of your house, you will never find it with this.
PiTag is coming next year to address that.
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Even if you go the hardened route of SSH or an X connection, you have to keep track of where they all are.
I don't understand what they are trying to say here? Or how this new tool solves the issue of "keeping track of where they all are" ?
It solves it by keeping track of all the RPi's registered under your account. When you login to Raspberry Pi Connect, you get a list of the devices you have that have registered with them.
That said, it seems you have to manually register every one of your devices:
* install the software
* reboot
* click a tray icon (so you'll need to be in the graphical environment), and login to the identify service (and sign up if you haven't already).
* NOTE: (from the docs) "Connect requires a Raspberry Pi running a 64-bit
Additional Info (Score:4, Informative)
SSH (Score:5, Insightful)
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Adding even more credence to the suspicion (Score:1)
Why??? (Score:4, Interesting)
I have four Pis doing various things. I manage them all via SSH and the CLI. Only one of them even runs a display server, and that's because I use it as a news and weather display ticker in my living room.
What on Earth is the use-case for managing a Rasberry Pi with a graphical desktop? The mind boggles!
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I have four Pis doing various things. I manage them all via SSH and the CLI. Only one of them even runs a display server, and that's because I use it as a news and weather display ticker in my living room.
What on Earth is the use-case for managing a Rasberry Pi with a graphical desktop? The mind boggles!
Some people think every computer needs a display.
I used to manage Sun systems. If there isn't a keyboard attached, the console (BIOS, everything) went to the serial port.
We had a multiport serial terminal server to hook up to them. At the time it was probably $70-$100 per port. You really only needed it when the OS didn't come up.
My managing idiots, who engineered by brochure and salesman, bought a $300 graphics card, $100 keyboard and a monitor ($300?) to put on it. And they had 2-3 of these servers the
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I have four Pis doing various things. I manage them all via SSH and the CLI. Only one of them even runs a display server, and that's because I use it as a news and weather display ticker in my living room.
What on Earth is the use-case for managing a Rasberry Pi with a graphical desktop? The mind boggles!
Some "computer" users out there cannot shift their paradigm from Windows-oriented Windows PCs & Apple devices to true CLI work. Just sayin'
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Raspberry Pis are meant for hobbyists who are willing to learn. Not for people who can only use GUIs.
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Raspberry Pis are meant for hobbyists who are willing to learn. Not for people who can only use GUIs.
Wow
Raspberry Pis are meant for elementary school children as their first computer.
Not only did hobbyists wreck product availability but drove the price up almost double, ruining them for their intended purpose.
On top of that you're now claiming they were always meant for hobbyists.
Seeing as this software was written by a hobbyist, clearly what you meant was you believe the raspberry pi was meant for you personally and no one else.
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I have one set up as a spectrometer. One day I will write a web GUI for it, but somebody has already written a perfectly good OpenCV one.
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What on Earth is the use-case for managing a Rasberry Pi with a graphical desktop? The mind boggles!
There's actually plenty, you even listed one yourself. My media player has a GUI running on it. I've seen someone use it as a security camera server (with GUI and playback ability), I see lots of them running some kind of data dashboard (a friend of mine has his attached to his inverter showing real time stats). My 3D printer runs a GUI on top of OctoPi, a friend of mine has a little arcade machine which of course needs a GUI, I see smart home control units running on the Pi (and that's likely to be my next
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I think he means "managing a Rasberry Pi {with a graphical desktop}" but you read it as "managing a {Rasberry Pi with a graphical desktop}".
As in he's decrying the remote management being GUI based not that managing a machine with a GUI is bad.
My 3D printer runs a GUI on top of OctoPi,
Isn't the point of octopi that it presents a web interface? I've not fired mine up in years, though.
Huh? (Score:1)
I even have 3 NeoDen 8 pick and place machines. They use RPis. Because I don't always want to walk over to them I installed Xvnc so I can log in to them from my desk.
A connection brokered tool is always nice... (Score:2)
Having a cloud connection broker is always nice, as long as there is 2FA for the account, and the client does its own authentication as well. In any case, it is cheaper than TailScale to provide a quick way into one's place via a decently secure VPN.
"Built in" (Score:2)
It's not built in to the Pi - it's a part of the (64-bit only) Raspberry version of Debian.
So if you're running any other sort of OS at all, yeah, just use ssh like normal people.
ultravnc (Score:2)
xrdp and ssh (Score:4, Informative)
Raspberry Pi (Score:2)
Sucks. They need to figure out how to reduce the price of a desktop computer, not increase. They've been slowly increasing the barrier of entry to computing. Why does the board cost $70? That means a PC built for raspberry Pi will cost $170 (math: board $70 + $60 cheapest non-shady LCD monitor + $10 SD CARD + $15 case+power supply + $15 keyboard + mouse). ... Am I wrong? That's what the cheapest walmart laptop costs. It's a lot of money for a kid in a developing country trying to learn skills that can get t
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Please explain how the creation of an open-source software tool increases their hardware costs.
p.s. it's $60, not $70 - https://www.pishop.us/product/... [pishop.us]
(and, for $60, it's a complete steal, the pi5 will easily outclass a walmart laptop)
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Is a raspberry Pi 5 actually faster than a walmart laptop? Like this $170 one (core i5 2.5GHz, 8GB DRAM, 500GB drive): https://www.walmart.com/ip/Del... [walmart.com]
I doubt it.
Something to remember? Solved problem. (Score:1)
PuTTY has been available for Linux for a long time too - nothing to remember there.
Or use the one I wrote: https://stromberg.dnsalias.org... [dnsalias.org]
It can start a remote shell from a menu in 3 clicks, if you count the click for starting it up.
It sets up X11 tunneling, an
Why does that sound like a bad idea? (Score:2)
Well, if you do not know where your RPi are, you probably do not care about security anyways...
What the fuck is a "RealVNC account" (Score:2)
Since when has a protocol required an account? No one has ever asked me to register for anything or pay for anything when running TightVNC, TinyVNC, TigerVNC, UltraVNC, or X11VNC.