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Confronting an Ancient Indian Hierarchy, Apple and IBM Ban Discrimation By Caste (reuters.com) 181

"Apple, the world's biggest listed company, updated its general employee conduct policy about two years ago to explicitly prohibit discrimination on the basis of caste," reports Reuters, "which it added alongside existing categories such as race, religion, gender, age and ancestry.

Apple has more than 165,000 full-time employees, the article points out, and "The inclusion of the new category, which hasn't been previously reported, goes beyond U.S. discrimination laws, which do not explicitly ban casteism." The update came after the tech sector — which counts India as its top source of skilled foreign workers — received a wake-up call in June 2020 when California's employment regulator sued Cisco Systems on behalf of a low-caste engineer who accused two higher-caste bosses of blocking his career.... Since the suit was filed, several activist and employee groups have begun seeking updated U.S. discrimination legislation — and have also called on tech companies to change their own policies to help fill the void and deter casteism....

Elsewhere in tech, IBM told Reuters that it added caste, which was already in India-specific policies, to its global discrimination rules after the Cisco lawsuit was filed, though it declined to give a specific date or a rationale.

Meta, Amazon, and Google do not mention caste in internal polices, the article points out — but they all told Reuters it's already prohibited by their current policies against discrimination.

And yet, "Over 1,600 Google workers demanded the addition of caste to the main workplace code of conduct worldwide in a petition, seen by Reuters, which they emailed to CEO Sundar Pichai last month and re-sent last week after no response."
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Confronting an Ancient Indian Hierarchy, Apple and IBM Ban Discrimation By Caste

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  • by Petersko ( 564140 ) on Monday August 15, 2022 @03:07AM (#62790422)

    Cultures with caste systems need to grow up, and understand that you can hide all the same wonderful benefits , such as excluding large swathes of undesirables, using tools like bureaucracy and "unbiased" statistics to justify iffy choices. That's modernity.

  • There are many reasons that make discrimination for that reason quite obnoxious. There a very small number of reasons that make discrimination for that reason illegal (those reasons are mostly the same all over the world).

    Now imagine there are so few non-icelandic people in Iceland that it never occurred to anyone there that someone could discriminate based on race. Or people there might have never in the last thousand years of their history cared about someone's race. So there might be no law against di
    • Americans may not realize the parallels. "Rednecks" versus "yankees", or "townies" versus "students" are old cultural dividers in many communities, and the segregation of blacks in America includes many of the ills of the Indian caste system.

      • There is a huge difference.
        The named differences,,, individuals, with difficulty, can migrate among the,
        Caste is "divinely " assigned and there is NO migration possible.

        • " individuals, with difficulty, can migrate among the [something],"

          Tell me, how does a Black man "migrate" into being White?

          • " individuals, with difficulty, can migrate among the [something],"

            Tell me, how does a Black man "migrate" into being White?

            I've worked with many POC in the business world. They were all very successful, some much more successful than me, and all of us had an interesting personal quality in common:

            We learned to look beyond race to only consider the personal qualities of others that truly matter.

            When anyone fixates, obsesses on race, the chance of making any progress magically melts away...like that "All Spark" thing in those Transformer movies.

    • I think it was Bostock vs Clayton County GA where the Supreme Court decided: "OF COURSE existing civil rights laws cover groups not mentioned, DUMMIES".

      I'm paraphrasing here. That might not be it. Some could have seen it as dancing around acknowledging one group - I prefer to think that weaseling around treating people like crap for something that isn't expressly prohibited is not gonna fly.
  • by Flownez ( 589611 ) on Monday August 15, 2022 @04:23AM (#62790506)
    Let's discriminate based on ability, aptitude, and performance related to the role being filled?

    I have personally been on the customer side of a project team which had roles delegated by caste. The project manager was incompetent, non of the competent 'resources' were allowed to contact us directly, and had no clue what their system level objectives were. We ended up 'shutting down' the project, maintaining some 'maintenance resources' for the 'project tail', the project managers didn't want a bar of it, so the team individuals now reported directly to us.

    That was 7 years ago. Our 'maintenance resource' team continues to grow and advance in capability to this day.
    • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

      The problem there is that "ability, aptitude, and performance" can correlate with other factors like caste or race.
      For instance members of a lower caste will often have less access to education than those from a higher caste which can then easily result in them having a lower average level of performance.

      So despite the fact that you have done the right thing and only considered merit (and being from a different culture may not even be aware of the caste system or understand how it works), you may still end

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Except that once a society has first acknowledged prior discriminatory practices, elements of the society attempt to fix it by mandating that members of the discriminated group get special treatment to make up for it. After that has been accepted, the people who get special treatment will scream bloody murder if you try to take it away when it's no longer necesary whether or not they actually can compete on the basis of merit. The only solution is to eliminate the caste system without any compensation for

    • What? Why, I never, where's my pearls that I could clutch, you abelist!

  • Stop hiring Indians and this problem and many others are solved in an instant.
    • So... exclude a huge number of people on the basis of sociopolitical factors in order to avoid caste issues?

      • That is the minor advantage, you also avoid getting a headache from listening to their "English", you avoid retarded Bollywood-"movies", Indian "music" as well as a horrible attitude towards women. Win-win-win-win.
  • Fixed Headline (Score:2, Insightful)

    by oshkrozz ( 1051896 )
    IBM and Apple, virtue signal by banning something that might be illegal anyway in the USA.

    In India will continue to operate business as usual.
  • You are a lowly peasant, but we have nothing against you being a lowly peasant. Welcome.

  • Japan has a caste type system too - Burakumin get the shitty end of the stick there.

    I'm sure a good argument could be made that caste systems (or functional equivalents) are pretty widespread.

  • It's a joke, that's a joke.
    India banned the caste system in 1948 yet the CEOs and other luminaries are always from the Brahmin.
    Yet, if there is news about some terrible rape or assault the victim is usually an untouchable/Dalit.
    What a joke.
  • I tried to get into a sound stage, but they said I couldn't because the sign said "cast only."

Ummm, well, OK. The network's the network, the computer's the computer. Sorry for the confusion. -- Sun Microsystems

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