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Two Tech CEOs Wanted Every Worker to Have a Permanent, Publicly-Available Job Performance File (vice.com) 153

"Two CEOs on a podcast casually proposed a shareable database of worker performance that would follow them between companies, forever, and encouraged listeners to create one," writes Slashdot reader merauder128 , summarizing a recent article on Vice.

"HR professionals say it's a terrible idea."

Vice points out the podcast both the host and guest were CEOs of "data harvesters that package and resell data to other parties." Through one lens, it was a mundane musing between two CEOs of data companies talking about how awesome it would be to have more data on something. But in the context of experiments occurring in the tech industry around hiring practices, it was two influential CEOs encouraging other entrepreneurs to create a business that would be an absolute nightmare for workers, a type of credit score for workers that could be a permanent HR file that follows workers from one job to the next, and where a worker who struggles at one job may have trouble getting another....

It is also in line with a growing trend among tech companies that, spurred by work-from-home and hybrid work, are increasingly interested in quantifying employee performance. The most prominent example is Coinbase introducing an app so employees can constantly rate each other's performances, a scenario even the normally cheery TechCrunch said "sounds rough."

Over the last several years, there has been a boom in employee management software solutions such as Workday, Lattice, CultureAmp that are used across thousands of companies for performance reviews and other sensitive HR tasks. Technologically speaking, what Youakim and Hoffman are talking about is opening those confidential resources — or some condensed version of them that can be easily digested and analyzed — up to everyone.

None of these HR software companies have indicated that they have any intention of doing this.

The article warns that experts who have studied hiring extensively believe a permanent database database "would allow this complete, random mess to follow workers their entire careers, affecting their job prospects, earning potential, and their broader lives." And the article summarizes a reaction to the idea from John Hausknecht, a professor of human resources at Cornell University. "It assumes people don't change, that jobs require similar attributes, that a person's experience at one company is relevant to another where they will be in a different environment with a different manager and different company culture....

"Or, to put it a different way, 'Just because we can track it, collect it, and ask about it,' Hausknecht said, 'doesn't necessarily mean we should.'"
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Two Tech CEOs Wanted Every Worker to Have a Permanent, Publicly-Available Job Performance File

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  • by MindPrison ( 864299 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @09:46PM (#62614286) Journal

    We all know that no job is ever the same, and no work environment is either.

    I've worked for both horrible bosses and good bosses. As if it wasn't enough that a large percentage lie on their resumé - a public performance profile can lead to total disaster for potential jobseekers as they might be judged forever by a rogue boss with personal issues.

    Besides, there are jobs we take because we have to and don't necessarily enjoy, and there are jobs we truly want but don't always get. This entire suggestion (if it came to fruition) would end up as a total shitshow with fake praise, workers overcompensating for likes and raving reviews, bosses with a grudge now capable of destroying someones career that could otherwise be excellent for a certain type of job, but came from a job he/she didn't thrive in.

    No, no and utterly no!

    • by slazzy ( 864185 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:09PM (#62614326) Homepage Journal
      Bad for other reasons too, abusive employees might blackmail old employers to give them a good reference âoeor elseâ. Since they really have nothing to gain by being honest it wouldnâ(TM)t take much of a threat.
      • Bad for other reasons too, abusive employees might blackmail old employers to give them a good reference âoeor elseâ. Since they really have nothing to gain by being honest it wouldnâ(TM)t take much of a threat.

        My guess is that data would wind up being X worked here from xx to yy. Anything else would be open to question and interpretation, and wind up being litigated. And it's not just by employees, but if an employer leaves out info that is damaging another company may well sue over the omission. The HR types I knew would only verify employment dates to avoid suits by former employees or companies that hired them.

    • This could also mean employees would have a database on employers (Freudian slip- it first came out as exploiters) that couldn't be concealed through shell companies and the like. Also business relationships would be exposed, making instances of cronyism more apparent.

      While not in favor of social credit scores, the most apparent problem is who wields them. The presumption is that they would be enforced on the plebes, but I think they would be far more damaging to the power brokers.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      We also know that some former employees were fired because they were incompetent. Making sure that they don't get another job in IT because they aren't actually qualified would be a good thing.

      • by ShooterNeo ( 555040 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:21PM (#62614430)

        Sure but this would create two major issues.

        1. Someone could be good in IT and working miracles but their boss doesn't understand the problems or environment and marks them as failing to meet his unrealistic expectations.

        2. Someone could be bad in IT but get better later, but be unemployable from one bad review years ago. While mediocre people never get bad reviews.

    • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Monday June 13, 2022 @02:36AM (#62614658) Journal

      Do these CEOs not realize that a significant proportion of the managers in their companies are backstabbing sociopaths who would not hesitate for a moment to ruin someone else's career for a small advantage?

      The big problems with this idea are that:
      1. Performance reviews are highly subjective and often highly biased.
      2. Performance of a junior is often poor because the junior's supervisor only knows how to demotivate.
      3. Etc..

    • by alanw ( 1822 )

      The negative consequences of this form a minor plot point in Charlie Stross's recent novel "Quantum of Nightmares". (He has also previously referenced Slashdot, as well as The Register, the BOFH and the Scary Devil Monastery in his earlier novels).

    • by jvkjvk ( 102057 )

      So wouldn't the workers have a database of bosses and managers in the same manner? Sounds like that might be something to look into regardless!

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot.worf@net> on Monday June 13, 2022 @06:12AM (#62614898)

      The problem is, and always will be, the power imbalance between the employer and employee. As long as employer has power, the employees always suffer. A database like this, which not coincidentally is being proposed by data brokers, only serves to empower the employer.

      Of course, the CEOs are for it, and not because they're immune, they're CEOs of data brokers who make tons of money buying and selling data on people. Of course they want everyone to have what is effectively a permanent record, because that's more data to buy and sell and make money from.

      If you want to know why it's bad, consider the most common data broker you'll encounter in your life - the credit bureau. Despite years of being in the business and laws all about it, they still can't get it right and your credit history file ends up with lots of errors and mistakes.

      So you think these permanent records are going to be any better? If the credit bureaus can't get it right, what makes you think other data brokers can?

      And finally, it's almost never the company that's bad, it's almost always some manager - people generally quit their jobs over bad managers, not bad jobs. And chances are, these data brokers will not care about things like that, hell, they'll probably make it hard to determine if it's the result of a single bad manager

      • If you want to know why it's bad, consider the most common data broker you'll encounter in your life - the credit bureau. Despite years of being in the business and laws all about it, they still can't get it right and your credit history file ends up with lots of errors and mistakes.

        Not only that, they also leak your personal information like crazy. Remember the Equifax data breach from a couple of years ago? I just looked it up again myself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        Wow. Insider trading before the breach was made public, a pittance in the class action suit (like, less than ten bucks per victim who had their personal and financial information spewed all over the web!) Also a separate malware incident via drive-by download... how the hell are these shitbags still in business?

        Yep

    • by tchdab1 ( 164848 )

      Not health care, not retirement savings, not wage protection. They want a permanent file of worker performance to follow from job to job.
      Yes, taxing extreme incomes is currently inadequate and absolutely necessary, and there IS a connection.

    • I've worked for both horrible bosses and good bosses. As if it wasn't enough that a large percentage lie on their resumé - a public performance profile can lead to total disaster for potential jobseekers as they might be judged forever by a rogue boss with personal issues.

      Also there could be issues from terrible employees that may sue if their poor performances are disclosed. Not that their performance rating was not warranted but that they could tie their former companies in litigation for years. Most companies then just adopt a policy of not disclosing any performance outside the company which would make this idea worthless.

    • The avenues for abuse of such a system are many. Imagine an employee who is up for performance review and is expecting a raise. The company instead informs the employee that there will be no raise, not even a cost of living adjustment. If the employee has a problem with that or is planning on quitting, wellâ¦it would be really unfortunate if that sterling permanent record had a little accident with a negative review.

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      Nice FP, but I look at these things funny. This proposal is for the vast majority of the wage slaves and is just part of their program to push more workers into that category. At the other end (including how they (legends in their own minds) think of themselves) are the superstars who get jobs created to fit their capabilities.

      I think the underlying problem is that computer technologies are making it too easy to replicate the work of the true superstars. And I do NOT include these self-glorified bean counte

  • scum will be scum (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bloodhawk ( 813939 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @09:47PM (#62614292)
    shock horror, people who make their money by harvesting and selling information about you think it is a good idea for even more information about you to be made public.
    • Wouldn't it be the opposite, though? If the information is already public, then the scumbags can't sell it.
      • Well, somebody would still need to host it, maintain it, allow challenges and appeals, etc. I'm sure by suggesting it they are hoping to be the company that gets paid for oversee it.

        Also, there are plenty of companies that compile and aggregate public data for a profit. Doing a background check on a new hire? There are companies that offer huge databases of financial-related data about arrests, convictions, bankruptcy filings, divorces, judgements, etc. all from "public sources".

        If you think keeping your

      • Public information still has a lot of value when aggregated and sold. Most of what they sell now is public data mined and harvested from the various social networks, web sites etc.
  • by splutty ( 43475 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @09:48PM (#62614294)

    2 CEOs in the business of collecting data (without having any clue as to what that data means, that's obviously not their job), want more data collected.

    News at 11..

    I'm not even going to bother listing all the reasons why this is a really really terrible idea, because that would be a bit of a laundry list.

  • by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @09:49PM (#62614298) Homepage Journal

    Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

  • by haggie ( 957598 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:02PM (#62614320)

    Wouldn't anything negative in this database be the basis for a defamation or slander lawsuit?

    My current employer only provides a start date and end date for employment verification. No performance data, no salary data. Nothing.

  • 80 percent of the workforce who change jobs and chase LinkedIn leads would be screwed. They are all garbage employees, and I can see why HR would not like that, since they would not be able to hire anyone.
    • No being able to hire anyone could be seen in a positive light. You have to PROVE that the person you're trying to hire can't be found in the US, for H-1B visas. (Or, at least, that's the way it's supposed to be. I'm sure these rules are bent so far.)

  • "Let's collect all the information we can, about everyone in the US, and post them on publicly available websites! It's genius!" - data aggregator companies.

    • Clearly the website is the problem and the solution is a publicly available blockchain! We can give coins out for adding new information to the chain as an eco-friendly alternative to solving the complex sudokus.
      • by jythie ( 914043 )
        Ooooh,.. then we can add the ability for investors to trade employee tokens and poof, Clout 3.0!
  • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:10PM (#62614334)

    Forget for the moment the utter evilness of the scheme proposed by the fuckers in the podcast. Consider instead what HR professor (!?) John Hausknecht said:

    It assumes people don't change, that jobs require similar attributes, that a person's experience at one company is relevant to another where they will be in a different environment with a different manager and different company culture...

    No mention there - not a peep - about the most obvious, most important, irrefutable, number one deal-breaker of an objection to this craziness: the prospect of revenge.

    Beyond even the subjectivity of the evaluations, and the potential for simply being wrong, lurk the asshole bosses and co-workers, and the HR power-trippers, who simply want to sabotage some poor schmuck's employment prospects forever. Take that as the first and inevitable downside to this massive brain fart. Then take into account the absolute pillaging of privacy and autonomy. After that - as a mere afterthought - perhaps there's time and room for the good professor's weak, praising-with-faint-damns pseudo-objections to this fascistic train-wreck of an idea.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:59PM (#62614472)
      Is like the cops they're not there to help you.

      HR is there to help the company and to protect the company's interests. If you're actively being abused by a coworker they can be useful because the company doesn't want to be sued for allowing that abuse but that's just an instance you're interested in there is aligning.

      They're not there to protect you they're there to protect the company.
    • by Your.Master ( 1088569 ) on Monday June 13, 2022 @12:36AM (#62614512)

      First, I'm going to point out that this is a partial quote of a longer conversation, which is then summarized in a Vice article. I think it's unfair to conclude that the HR professor didn't make a peep about it. Though I admit I hadn't really thought about HR as being a course you could get a professorship in.

      While I agree what you said is a huge problem, I'm going to break rank and say that isn't the #1 problem. The problems boil down to two things.

      1. Even if all actors behaved with good intentions and cool rationality, it wouldn't work.
      2. Not all actors will engage with good intentions, or rational analysis.

      The reason I order them this way, is if #1 weren't true, you could start having conversations about mechanisms to expel bad actors and mitigate #2. After all, we often use reputation systems for all kinds of other things, from Amazon comments & Yelp reviews, Consumer Reports / Better Business Bureau, University rankings, peer-reviewed journals, the bar for legal work, your medical license, etc., and in principle every one of them is subject to the same problem of revenge. And of the things I've listed, you can probably think of examples where revenge was used, (Yelp and Amazon bombing are themselves businesses!). Hell, Slashdot itself operates on a peer-review reputation system that is partially tied to your identity. If you thought there was value, you might look to the mechanisms these other tools have pioneered to see how you could do something similarly self-correcting.

      But because of point #1, it's not even worth thinking through whether you could mitigate that attack vector.

      • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Monday June 13, 2022 @09:14AM (#62615168)

        Fair points, all taken except for this:

        After all, we often use reputation systems for all kinds of other things, from Amazon comments & Yelp reviews, Consumer Reports / Better Business Bureau, University rankings, peer-reviewed journals, the bar for legal work, your medical license, etc., and in principle every one of them is subject to the same problem of revenge.

        It seems to me that most if not all of the above assume a fairly large pool of reviews from different and diverse reviewers, which would tend to dilute any purposeful skewing. For HR records that's unlikely to be true unless a candidate has had a really large number of placements, in which case there may be more immediate concerns about his or her suitability.

    • No mention there - not a peep - about the most obvious, most important, irrefutable, number one deal-breaker of an objection to this craziness: the prospect of revenge.

      Not even revenge. The lopsided power dynamic of the employee-employer relationship is already a big problem (that's why unions were created).

      Now the employee also has to suck up to the current employer to improve their future job prospects as well.

  • by taustin ( 171655 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:17PM (#62614338) Homepage Journal

    Is a database of people who run companies, who don't publicly condemn such abusive ideas, that will follow those people around wherever they go, to ensure that nobody who is competent in any way will ever work for them.

  • by bferrell ( 253291 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:18PM (#62614342) Homepage Journal

    your permanent record!
    Isn't that what they used to say in elementary school? We were relieved to find out there never was sucha thing, right?

    The idea that a couple of CEOs what to make (even as a mused transient thought) makes me seriously question their judgement.

  • the job history of CEOs? Didn't think so.
    • the job history of CEOs? Didn't think so.

      Of course not, they would all negotiate privacy/non-disclosure clauses in their deals -- or that they would get to write their own records. Of course, many (most?) of the infamous ones, like Carly Fiona, have telling Wikipedia pages, so maybe it would be a wash...

    • No. These rules are for the lower class, not the ruling class. "Do as we say, not as we do."

    • Well, why not? If these two knuckleheads want a universal repository that holds work performance for each employee, then why not the reverse? How about a registry that contains all the missteps that every company has made, like forcing non-paid overtime, pension fund fraud, etc.

      It would make it very easy for prospective employees to spot problem companies, and they would then not apply at those locations, and those companies would find it hard to survive.

      Sure, just create that global company registry firs
  • by Somervillain ( 4719341 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:20PM (#62614346)
    Many of my old bosses should have been fired and thus should not be allowed to write reviews. I've worked for literal psychopaths. I have had many bosses overtly lie about me. How would a system handle that? The appeal process needed would be bananas. Most of my old bosses had no clue what I did. More than half were fired for incompetence. One of my bosses, at a major bank, got arrested for sexual assault. I saw him removed from the building by the police in handcuffs. At least 2 I ended up working for were fired primarily because they were unreliable drunks and drug addicts. In nearly every case, I didn't choose them. I would interview, the team seemed great, and within a year, the best moved to better jobs or moved across the country or to a different division and thus I end up reporting to people I would never voluntarily work for.

    I quit my last job because my boss OVERTLY lied in my review. He botched several projects and blamed the engineers in a desperate attempt to save his hide. Instead of giving vague complaints, he was stupid enough to give specific ones. One complaint about me was about a project I never worked on. He mixed me up with the "other American." Another complaint of his was proveably false and I had an e-mail chain proving it was wrong. I confronted him about both and he did nothing, so I quit that shitshow and found a much better place to work and hate myself for not doing it 2 years sooner. In that situation, he wasn't there when I joined. He should have never been hired. He was fired for incompetence 2 months after I left, partially because of what I exposed to HR. So what happens to any reviews he writes?

    So here's the problem. What if he writes lies? What if he writes on my permanent record that I made a whole bunch of mistakes I can easily disprove? Are you going to have a case officer handle my dispute? What if his complaints involve proprietary data or sensitive information? Are we going to open up the actual specifics of my case for a "he said, he said" case? The details for any dispute would be more overwhelming and complex and most actual legal court cases?

    The worst part is I am only slightly unlucky. Most of my friends have similar or worse stories. It's rampant in tech. Many managers have no experience or education in dealing with people. They were good programmers who usually got bored of actually writing code and usually sucked at it. Most tech managers are pure garbage. They should have never been in charge of a team, let alone shaping an individual's permanent record.

    How are you going to stop people from gaming this system? How are you going to verify the people worked at the places they said they did or that the jobs were real? Most of my past employers are out of business. How can you verify reviews for a company that shut down and you were one of the last employees? It's happened to me half a dozen times (I joined the market in a recession and as a 22yo, didn't know those fancy well-funded startups were about to fold).

    As it is, it's hard to verify references. We've caught many Indian candidates overtly lie about their experience and claim to have worked at Indian tech companies that never existed. They assumed our HR dept wouldn't check. I've had buddies beg me to pretend have a role I didn't have and be a fake reference.

    So how are you going to prove I was someone's boss and not his peer? How are you going to prove I worked for that company? What are you going to do when one party claims the other's review has falsehoods? I personally would not hesitate to sue the company if they got a single detail incorrect in my "permanent record."

    What happens if someone blackmails me after I leave? What happens if a subordinate offers a blowjob for me to write a glowing review?

    This is honestly the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. On top of this all, how are you going to make money? It's just upsetting and stupid and makes me wonder what kind of idiot has so
  • Hey I know. The next time we want standards to shove down people's throats, let's start with a REALLY low bar for HR. Have a standardized job listing. It has to at least contain a definite wage or at least a range of wages. No more of this "hahaha. apply, then we'll tell you. come on, it's a fun game!" (Or, in HR speak: "depends on experience!")

  • Good news (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dsgrntlxmply ( 610492 ) on Sunday June 12, 2022 @10:49PM (#62614372)
    One of these shitbags is getting a dose: Charlie Youakim Loses Most of $800M fortune [news.com.au]
  • Let's track managers first. People can provide important details about their management style, .e.g "takes credit for other people's hard work", or "sets unreasonable deadlines", and the ever popular, "lies about pay raises and bonuses".

  • just wait for them to list an labor law in that record!

  • Jay I see you where good at 60K for years in the cheap small town now I want to pay you the same to work in the bay area.

  • and we want an union like NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB players with the same kind of Performance stats on file.

    • Maybe with the difference that their performance already IS pretty much public knowledge because their performance actually IS the product they're selling...

  • by alanshot ( 541117 ) <roy@kd9uOPENBSDri.com minus bsd> on Sunday June 12, 2022 @11:09PM (#62614406)

    The Communist Chinese government and their "Social Credit Score" team thinks this is an absolutely FABULOUS idea.

  • While working at Microsystems Software as a software engineer, I was diagnosed with tendonitis on the job. The management there hey started building a file on me (including monitoring my home internet communications) to justifying terminating me when I took time of to get medical treatment recommended by multiple doctors. However, after litigation, I received a judgment of $125,000 when my salary was $44,000/year, when I was out of work for 7 months. (Under MGL 151b -- Mass. version of ADA, FMLA, fraud, breach of contract, and workers compensation law violations) . Now, if an future employer uses (or even looks at this) this information, could the future employer be half liable for retaliation, or discriminations for a perceived disability? This would open up a real can of worms and would ensure full employment for labor lawyers for the foreseeable future.

    Later I worked for a psycho, Barry J. Lewis. He was actually convicted or harassing me after I stopped working for free (the check was in the mail, etc.) He was actually screaming at the court staff after he was charged., from what I heard, he would make a Karen seem level headed, understanding, helpful, and sweet. Would it be a good thing for potential employers to listen to nut cases like him without finding out what type of nutcase they are listening to?

  • if those CEOs are wiling to give up their golden parachutes and be banned from being hired if they are fired...
    • Just make CEOs personally liable for their blunders and that problem takes care of itself pretty fucking quickly.

  • your career is over. Getting rid of a negative review from a boss who didn't like you personally will be virtually impossible. Suing for libel would be the best bet. Nobody will ever click through and see that that boss was an idiot. They'll only ever read the negative review and stay well away from you. What we should be doing is imposing this level of **permanent** review on tech CEOs. While they **are** CEO. And firing them if any subordinate objects to their performance.
  • I'll bet that a part of their plan is that the employee will never see the contents of that permanent file.

    A second thought is, why not put all that in the person's credit report? Then you would really have some useful info. We could trust Equifax to keep it safe.

  • My god, this is a horrible idea. Ever been in the kind of company where a top-notch HR director quits over openly voiced "ethical concerns"?

    I was. My work was key to the company's success, and yet I got trashed by novice mid-managers and people who slept their way to the top. These were corrupt liars. A few decent people got out of there while they could, and they've been some of my most reliable references.

    But can you imagine what crooks would do with this kind of database? I hasten to add, the abilit

  • Let's make it illegal to parachute CEOs in, and they have to go through job performance verification, all made public.

    While we're at it, since the data will be made public, hiring decisions should also be made public, and subject to scientific scrutiny. You claim that you can interpret the data reproducibly? Prove it. And if you can't prove it, then you should be banned from making hiring decisions.
  • We had that over here a while ago [wikipedia.org].

    • CEO's criminal record
    • Amount of employees sacked, en masse, by this CEO
    • List of sexual harassment accusations to charges
    • List of criminal accusations to charges
    • Description of current sociopathic or psychopathic traits
    • Largest pay gap between highest and lowest paid employee
    • Amount of deaths whilst CEO

    It's a fun game.

  • But let the employers join forces against the workers.

  • by misnohmer ( 1636461 ) on Monday June 13, 2022 @03:50AM (#62614724)
    A big problem with this suggestion is that there is no objective way to measure a worker's performance as it relates to all jobs they could possibly have in the future. Your job evaluation is just as subjective as writing poetry - it highly depends on the person grading it (given the same poem presented to wire range of poetry or language teachers, it is likely to receive a large range of scores). Then there is applicability. Someone who was not very productive at screwing tiny screws on an assembly line, might be great at operating a lathe, so looking at their productivity as a screw assembly person is meaningless when trying to hire the same person as a lathe operator.

    These problems show up even with the "universal" credit scores. For example, if you own your home, cars, etc and make no payments to anyone - you end up with no credit history, and all automated approval systems decline you. I could see the same problem with a job performance database if someone was self employed. They would have no job history, or worse, self employed folks could report themselves as stellar employees all the time. Either way, the database is useless to future employer.
  • Most places already have quarterly reviews when you rate your manager and your peers, and in any specialized line of work everybody knows everybody so people quickly know if you were a bad performer.

  • I already have a job performance file. It's on LinkedIn.
  • Isnt this what linkedin is?
  • Evaluations and records should include input from below if this is going to work ;)

  • "It assumes people don't change..."
    That's not the problem. The problem is that people don't know that people change.

    Having software that "measures" something that changes isn't a problem. Quite frankly, it's a would-be solution to scenario at-hand.

    The issue is that we've never taught people -- in this case, employers -- to accept the measurements as past-values and not (necessarily) current values.

    Alas, we've long-ago stopped teaching people to consider the present above the past; and we never taught peopl

  • Data harvesting and reselling should be illegal.

  • ...for every CEO to Have a Permanent, Publicly-Available Financial Disclosure.

  • Why I don't do this....
    1. It's the manager's job.
    2. I don't get paid to rate other employees.
    3. I don't want to f**k up another employees career/job.
    4. It's not my business.
    5. I don't care.

    It would be better to get rid of lazy-assed managers who don't do their own jobs, particularly reviewing their employees; who don't motivate their employees; and who don't care.
    I refuse to do a manager's job, or any part of it, without a manager's pay!
    And I have actually refused to review other employees and to d
  • by Anonymous Crowded ( 6202674 ) on Monday June 13, 2022 @09:42AM (#62615228)
    We should also have a performance review taking, for example, the CEO of Honda and comparing all other CEOs against hours worked, actual decisions made vs productivity of plants and whatnot.

    I wager it'd be REAL interesting conversation during one of those "amicable agreements" where we traditionally pay bad CEOs to leave . . . there's gonna be a swimming pool of money for sick leave and child/elder care, huh?
  • by TomClancy_Jack ( 638962 ) on Monday June 13, 2022 @09:50AM (#62615246)
    The banking system tried this and it backfired horribly. They created a system called "U5" which follows bank employees across jobs without their knowledge. It was designed to keep people who broke finance rules from just jumping from bank to bank. BUT it got used by banks for covering up their own fraud and blackballing whistleblowers. Notably Wells Fargo after committing starting a policy of fraud by creating over 2 million accounts for customers without their approval. Employees who didn't comply got blackballed.
    • To be fair - they are proposing an 'open' system - but it still leaves a lot of room for employer retribution that could devastate a career.
  • by MooseTick ( 895855 ) on Monday June 13, 2022 @12:22PM (#62615716) Homepage

    Companies wouldn't like this because it would have to share too much internal info. Every performance review I've received talks about successes and failures on specific projects. How I built something needed, or saved money fixing a process, purchased and implemented a new solution, etc. I doubt my (or any) company would want their competitors seeing every project and goal and their incremental outcomes. Would they want to share or be legally allowed to disclose that you negotiated a 30% discount from company X? No.

    That's why this will never happed. Don't worry about your personal data, companies don't want THEIR data shared with the world.

  • It's been over 20 years that if a company called to check on someone's resume that they worked there, all HR was allowed to say was "yes, they worked here". They're not allowed to say *anything* more, from "we'd love to hire them back" to "they were terrible and fired". They *can't* say any of that.

    Of course, I don't see these assholes suggesting that all execs have a publicly accessible file like that....

    • by eth1 ( 94901 )

      It's been over 20 years that if a company called to check on someone's resume that they worked there, all HR was allowed to say was "yes, they worked here". They're not allowed to say *anything* more, from "we'd love to hire them back" to "they were terrible and fired". They *can't* say any of that.

      Of course, I don't see these assholes suggesting that all execs have a publicly accessible file like that....

      I think they're legally *allowed* to say more than that, it's just that companies don't want to get sued, so they have their own policies forbidding anything more.

  • There's a reason why most previous employers refuse to say anything about former employees other than "yes they worked from date1 to date2."

    Any service like this would get sued out of existence in milliseconds, and possibly any employers that contributed data, also.

  • Marshall Brain wrote Manna (https://marshallbrain.com/manna1 ) in 2003. Sadly, we may not even have twenty years between the warning of dystopia and its arrival.

  • Maybe I need an agent..
  • ...It's called a LinkedIn Pro-File. We create it and make it public (or semi-public). We list all our roles and schooling. Our peers and bosses sometimes comment on our performance (with recommendations).

    This file hardly ever says anything negative about us.

  • In my observations, most of the fast moving managers are simply outrunning the results of their wonderful ideas and somehow manage it all the way to surfing across the tops of ever larger companies. The game seems to be promote a change, make it, talk up how great it was using forecasts, and leave before the disastrous results are quantifiable. We could leave out the reviews even. All that needs to follow them is their ideas and the results even if they came after their departure. A lot of the worthless pro
  • Tech workers want a performance record of all employers.
    Bad employers need to be called out and avoided.
    They won't last long.

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