Canada's Major Banks Go Offline in Mysterious Hours-long Outage (bleepingcomputer.com) 310
Five major Canadian banks went offline for hours blocking access to online and mobile banking as well as e-transfers for customers. From a report: The banks reportedly hit by the outage include Royal Bank of Canada (RBC), BMO (Bank of Montreal), Scotiabank, and the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC). Canada's five major banks went offline yesterday impeding access to e-Transfers, online and mobile banking services for many.
Foil hat wearers unite! (Score:3, Funny)
Give me your best conspiracies now. Aliens? Illuminati? New World Order? Trudeau getting ready to freeze accounts of the MAGA hat freedumz crew?
Re:Foil hat wearers unite! (Score:5, Insightful)
More likely an intern hit the wrong switch in a networking room somewhere that the powers that be long ago decided is a failsafe for something that no one would ever mistakenly turn off.
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Possibly the last one. In this thread should be a working link to a list of the affected Very Fine People (warning: link leads to a hacker forum full of half-naked anime girls and gratuitous racism):
https://raidforums.com/Thread-... [raidforums.com]
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada... [www.cbc.ca]
You were saying?
Re:ur a lying scumbag (Score:4, Informative)
Thought you would link to this:
https://gizmodo.com/givesendgo... [gizmodo.com]
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Thought you would link to this:
https://gizmodo.com/givesendgo... [gizmodo.com]
She wouldn't be dressing this way if she didn't want to get smeared by mainstream media, right?
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Maybe they meant North America.
not a coincidence (Score:4, Insightful)
by a not-so-whoopsie-coincidence this occurred just after Trudeau announced freezing of truckers bank accounts and voiding their insurance
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/wo... [telegraph.co.uk]
this is entirely without requiring a Court Order
https://financialpost.com/fp-f... [financialpost.com]
it also coverts anyone *attending* a protest or providing supplies to demonstrators
https://fortune.com/2022/02/16... [fortune.com]
the more rational-minded average Canadian citizens appear to have then added two and two together, along the lines, "well if Trudeau can do that to Truckers then they can do that to me too" and en-masse are withdrawing their money as cash, not in "protest" but in sheer fright and terror at the possibility of having their money stolen by the Canadian Government.
you can't make this s*** up.
Re:not a coincidence (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:not a coincidence (Score:5, Insightful)
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>Back on the 13th there were multiple stories about bridges reopening and protestors abandoning the blockade. So if they were really breaking up, why go to this extreme?
The blockades at border crossing have mostly been broken up. The "occupation" in the capital, Ottawa, is still a problem but will probably be over soon.
There's a new city municipal police chief, and it seems good cooperation has been set up with provincial police (state) and federal police forces too.
The 350 or so trucks are in the middle
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Not a fan of the blockade, but why not start arresting people and impounding trucks?
Because they are not doing anything illegal. At most, you could issue a traffic or bylaw citation, with a fine, and that was already done. More so, The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms [justice.gc.ca], that protects rights to peacefully protest, makes it extremely unlikely that any charges would stick. Last but not least, because any such escalation risks turning this into Tiananmen Square disaster, and Ottawa's police brass realize that and resigned in mass.
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Not a fan of the blockade, but why not start arresting people and impounding trucks? One at a time if you have to. The impound fees for a semi are not cheap.
One of the reasons that BLM and other protests involving minorities often turn into riots is that the police start arresting people in the crowd, the crowd tries to defend the people being arrested, and things start turning violent.
It's not an easy thing trying to break up a big crowd.
Back on the 13th there were multiple stories about bridges reopening and protestors abandoning the blockade. So if they were really breaking up, why go to this extreme?
That was just the blockades at the border. They had big vehicles, but the number of protesters was a lot smaller so it was easy for the cops to convincingly outnumber/out-force the protesters and enforce the law.
A much bigger
Re:not a coincidence (Score:4, Informative)
Not so much. I think the vast majority of Canadians are wondering why it took so long for the government to do something about protestors holding a gun to our economy and making life hellish for the citizens of Ottowa.
Its Ottawa, you dimwit. I happen to live in Ottawa, and protesters only blocking (with emergency service lanes open) downtown around Parliament Hill (think US Capitol). The only people this impacts in politicians, that now have to park and walk to their offices and listen to honking while at work.
You don't have to take my word for it, there are plenty streamers with raw footage. Like https://www.youtube.com/c/Otta... [youtube.com] Go watch it yourself.
Re:not a coincidence (Score:5, Informative)
> this occurred just after Trudeau announced freezing of truckers bank accounts and voiding their insurance
It happened more than 48 hours later.
>the more rational-minded average Canadian citizens appear to have then added two and two together, along the lines, "well if Trudeau can do that to Truckers then they can do that to me too" and en-masse
"Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act and want Freedom Convoy cleared out: poll" https://nationalpost.com/news/... [nationalpost.com]
>you can't make this s*** up
Not sure if you're being sarcastic
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Yeah, I know someone who lives right where the protests are happening and their 6 year old kid has had truckers blast their air horn at them while walking by to scare the shit out of them more than once now. I mean, those are loud enough to cause hearing damage, and doing that to some poor kid walking by is pretty fucking disgusting for an adult to do.
It's one thing to protest. It's a whole other thing to be a complete asshole while doing it and to threaten or harm children.
I am not surprised that most of C
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rational-minded
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Bank Run (Score:2)
I read on Twitter people were trying to coordinate a bank run in Canada, directing people to withdrawal as much cash as they could. But this specific outage doesn't seem like it would be too useful at thwarting that. Maybe they were changing limits on the back end? not sure.
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A tiny handful of angry truckers couldn't withdraw enough money for the Canadian banks to notice, let alone run out of money. Due to the quite low daily withdrawal limits if nothing else.
Meh (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a lot of screaming (even just in this thread) as though people were ever promised absolute stability always and forever and no matter what.
It's been two years of hearing people scream that their home depot order took two days, or two hours, instead of two minutes. Or that the grocery store ran out of avocados in the dead of winter.
Now we're faced with protests and blockades, again by people who can't seem to change their lives even one iota for anything.
I've got friends who still try to parent their children the same way. Really?! You work from home now, instead of being away for 10 hours every day. Teach your children to not interrupt you every ten minutes. Welcome back to the age of carpools, go-out-and-play-and-don't-come-back-until-dusk, spend-the-day-at-a-friend's-house, play downstairs with your toys.
Our water kept running. Our electricity and gas kept running. We always had food and telecom. Learn to adapt to the little things.
Oh no, banking wasn't available for a day. Good news, no bill is due. I'm pretty sure you have a day of nutrition at home. Or a credit card. Or a friend. Or a neighbour. Or maybe family even. Around here, we have nice strangers too.
You get absolutely zero sympathy from me if you can't adapt to such a tiny thing as grocery-store hours, and your own children.
Oh, did I mention that we handed out tens of thousands of dollars to nearly every household? And the only thing people did with that money was to complain that it wasn't more? I gave mine to others, by the way.
Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)
The sense of community is broken - when we deal with mostly faceless institutions (including banks) - we also don't feel bad about yelling to a major corporation. I think it'd be a different story if "Pete's bank" was offline because Pete pressed the wrong button.
I'm in Ottawa (Score:5, Informative)
The province could have sent more police and other resources to help but I think they were trying to keep a low profile. The truckers are protesting vaccine mandates like masks, vaccine passports to get into bars, gyms, theatres etc. But healthcare in Canada isn't a federal matter, it is 100% provincial. The only requirement the federal government imposed was for truckers crossing the USA boarder to be vaccinated or quarantine which is the same requirement that the USA has. So the truckers are protesting in front of the wrong level of government.
The federal government really couldn't justify the Emergency Measures Act for the protests in Ottawa, it was a local problem and really out of their jurisdiction. It wasn't until the protestors blocked the Windsor/Detroit border did it become a nationwide problem. The state of emergency gives the federal government a lot more power but also comes with a lot more scrutiny. There will have to be public reports of any use of the new powers in a few months time.
As someone in Ottawa who has talked with the protesters, the protesters are not the brightest group of people and their grasp of facts is very skewed. Most of them get their "news" from conspiracy facebook groups or each other. They will site online polls on right wing news sites as proof that the majority support them. Even when shown that their facts are wrong they don't back down. I even messed with one of online polls they sited to stuff the results in the opposite direction. This group did concede then that online polls are worthless but still thought they were in the majority. Many of these protestors are going to face financial hardships from the tickets, fines and loss of commercial licenses. They aren't evil, l would even say less than half of them are selfish assholes, but none of them are very intelligent.
Occupy NY et al (Score:2, Insightful)
Wow, they're just like Occupy NY, the Seattle Free Zone (or whatever the fuck that was called), and the like. Except they have trucks.
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Wow, they're just like Occupy NY, the Seattle Free Zone (or whatever the fuck that was called),
Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) / Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (CHOP) ... and the like. Except they have trucks.
Also they don't burn police stations, throw rocks, fireworks, and chemical weapons, and the odd bullet at cops and civillians, smash bookstores selling books they don't like, smash, loot, and burn malls, collect "taxes/reparations" from residents of nearby neighborhoods and passersby of some skin co
Re:Occupy NY et al (Score:4, Informative)
Also they don't burn police stations, throw rocks, fireworks, and chemical weapons, and the odd bullet at cops and civillians,
The ones in Alberta came prepared to do violence. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada... [www.cbc.ca] It would be naive to think this same element is not present in Ottawa. I don't think the police are naive.
Re: Occupy NY et al (Score:3)
Did Occupy NY block commerce? Honk horns consistently in residential neighbourhoods? They may have had an effect, but I think you'll find far less directly obstructive as the original truck convoy occupation. I looks to be moving somewhat toward a central point of contention in front of parliament now with less horns honking, which is certainly an improvement. Maybe they'll get a pass to protest obstructively as long as people can go back to living their lives largely unaffected.
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As someone in Ottawa who has talked with the protesters, the protesters are not the brightest group of people and their grasp of facts is very skewed. Most of them get their "news" from conspiracy facebook groups or each other. They will site online polls on right wing news sites as proof that the majority support them. Even when shown that their facts are wrong they don't back down. I even messed with one of online polls they sited to stuff the results in the opposite direction. This group did concede then that online polls are worthless but still thought they were in the majority. Many of these protestors are going to face financial hardships from the tickets, fines and loss of commercial licenses. They aren't evil, l would even say less than half of them are selfish assholes, but none of them are very intelligent.
It's easy to call someone stupid. To paraphrase the queen of hearts, we can do that on the Internet at least 100 times before breakfast.
One item you ignore is the same thing Egypt ignored at its peril, until there was a color revolution for it. These people are sufficiently broke that this was their best option. There's no one to sell their truck to, because there's no new truckers (and a lot of old trucks are grandfathered on emissions standards, etc.). Give them a million dollars in tickets, they don't ha
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This isn’t a strike, and it isn’t an economic protest.
It’s a “freedom” protest against COVID-19 restrictions.
So most of what you wrote doesn’t actually apply. And yes, they’re idiots.
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It's easy to call someone stupid. To paraphrase the queen of hearts, we can do that on the Internet at least 100 times before breakfast.
Well, sometimes they are stupid. I've seen some of the conspiracy theories and understanding of science and vaccines that go on in these pro-trucker groups. They are, quite simply, stupid.
One item you ignore is the same thing Egypt ignored at its peril, until there was a color revolution for it. These people are sufficiently broke that this was their best option.
So broke they can afford to drive cross country and take a 3 week vacation in the capitol?
There's no one to sell their truck to, because there's no new truckers (and a lot of old trucks are grandfathered on emissions standards, etc.). Give them a million dollars in tickets, they don't have the money to pay $1000, what's $1m to them.
Strikes are always a "dumb" option, because you have to basically quit your job and go to $0 income to have a chance to have your demands met.
You think the truckers are broke? The fact there's no new truckers means they're making better wages. Now I don't know if they had the option of driving non-cross border routes.
However, they are still making a rational economic decision, because the alternative is tolerating a sub-optimal pre-strike condition. If these people legitimately can't live under current conditions (and I have to assume not, because they're obviously going on $0 now), then striking is a legitimate, rational decision.
This is NOT a strike.
A strike is your refusing to work an
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These people are sufficiently broke that this was their best option.
If you are "sufficiently broke" your best option isn't tot drive across the country to protest, you suck it up, get an injection and carry on working so you aren't "sufficiently broke".
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> Many of these protestors are going to face financial hardships from the tickets, fines and loss of commercial licenses. They aren't evil, l would even say less than half of them are selfish assholes, but none of them are very intelligent.
Except they are raking in tens of millions of donation dollars. Don't tell me Pat King is keeping it all for himself?
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Their actions blocked everyone else. They have no right to prevent other people from working and providing for their families.
Why are people who buy trucks more important than people who buy cars?
https://www.newsweek.com/trucker-blockade-us-canada-border-causes-over-1b-losses-daily-1678091
Re:I'm in Ottawa (Score:5, Funny)
The honking will continue until governing improves.
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Because if not for Freedom Convoy 2022, there would be no reopening, ever.
Please mod this funny. Because it is hilarious.
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But the majority supported the Emergency Measures against the blockade.
But Omicron is not milder on the unvaccinated. It only appears less so than previous variants because more people are vaccinated now. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-da... [cdc.gov]
But things were already re-opening until the blockade shut down the economy.
So, everything you've said is untrue.
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The truckers are protesting vaccine mandates like masks, vaccine passports to get into bars, gyms, theatres etc. ...
It wasn't until the protestors blocked the Windsor/Detroit border did it become a nationwide problem.
I hear that a big issue was the government adding a requirement that unvaccinated drivers returning across the US border be quarantined for ten days.
For a driver in a market (such as the auto industry, where the US and Canada have a common market so auto companies can ship stuff back-and-forth
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Not exactly... more specifically, Canada was simply ending the already existiing and otherwise universal exemption that had been extended to truckers on any unvaccinated travelers coming into Canada being required to quarantine. The announcement that the exemption for truckers was coming to a close this year was made months ago, so this hasn't been sprung on a
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The only requirement the federal government imposed was for truckers crossing the USA boarder to be vaccinated or quarantine which is the same requirement that the USA has. So the truckers are protesting in front of the wrong level of government.
The US did it thru DHS at the behest of Trudeau's administration. It was a coordinated action with the DHS imposing restriction (effective TWO DAYS after announcing it) exactly one week after Canada.
The Truckers got away with blocking our downtown core because no one assumed they would be such assholes and would shut everything down and keep everyone awake for so long.
Say what? None of the truckers seemed to be confused about being in it for the long haul. They said as much repeatedly in interviews.
Who is really responsible for this is government. They knew full well the disruptions this policy would cause so why do it two years into the pandemic when it is nearly over ju
The US Womens' Olympic Hockey team... (Score:2)
...are clearly the culprits.
5 or 4 ? (Score:2)
1) Royal Bank of Canada (RBC),
2) BMO (Bank of Montreal),
3) Scotiabank, and the
4) Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC)
wish is #5 here ?
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Toronto-Dominion is the other Big Five bank.
Re:Timing (Score:5, Insightful)
Just imagine if indigenous people set up a blockade in the middle of the city or even tried to open a bank account with proper documentation?
https://www.theguardian.com/wo... [theguardian.com]
https://www.reuters.com/market... [reuters.com]
If you're white the cops will help you fill up your hot tub in the middle of the public street. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada... [www.cbc.ca]
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Just imagine if indigenous people set up a blockade...
Yes, imagine that [nationalpost.com].
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The Ottawa protester's (and police) learned from the indigenous protesters. For example, the land back lane protesters. [wikipedia.org] Essentially, as long as you don't blockade anything too important, it is possible to blockade streets for months at a time with minimal repercussions, and do it more than once.
The police also learned from other protests, for example the G20 protest were a cop was charged and found guilty for anti-riot measures. [globalnews.ca]
If the issue is of economic importance, then it is possible to go to court a
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The truckers in question are a small minority. My solution would have been to give them tickets for traffic violations until they reached the threshold where their commercial drivers licenses were revoked. Problem solved.
Re:Timing (Score:5, Informative)
They are a small minority, just a dangerous one carrying out something that might've been called siege warfare in centuries past, disguised as a "protest." 80%+ of truckers are vaccinated and want no part of their bullshit.
Re:Timing (Score:5, Insightful)
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That's what it was called when you blockaded a city until their government ceded control to you. Educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Timing (Score:5, Informative)
There are about 130,000 truck drivers in Canada, so yes, this is a small minority.
And on a side note, the "Freedom Convoy" is extremely unpopular with Canadians.
https://leger360.com/surveys/l... [leger360.com]
Re:Timing (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, if it weren't for the trucks, this would not be a big protest. There are a few hundred protestors, swelling to a couple of thousand on weekends. By Ottawa standards, that's tiny. It's only because they have large vehicles with them that the protest looks large.
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If they truckers were members of the military it would be considered an act of war.
Re: Timing (Score:3)
They are a small minority. Your food and goods continue to be delivered and life goes on. Maybe less do if you're living in occupied area mind you.
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Does it look like a small minority to you?
Yes, yes it does look like a small minority.
Would the authoritarians be panicking like they are if it were just a small minority? I don't think so.
Because trucks are really, really, big. So even a handful of people with really, really, big trucks can effectively blockade a road or a number of roads.
There's also a handful of armed militia types [globalnews.ca] looking for an excuse for a firefight mixed in with the (reliably christian) peaceful protesters who in many cases have naively/recklessly brought their kids who might end up as human shields.
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>Illegal occupation?
The now, declared illegal, protests in Ottawa.
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>Illegal occupation?
The now, declared illegal, protests in Ottawa.
Invocation of Emergencies Act, that specifically carves out exceptions to preserve Charter Freedoms, does not make protesting illegal. So please, do tell us, what is illegal about peaceful protests in Ottawa? More so, if you declare Freedom Convoy 2022 in Ottawa an illegal occupation, what would legal protest even look like?
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Invocation of Emergencies Act, that specifically carves out exceptions to preserve Charter Freedoms, does not make protesting illegal.
Court injunctions do though.
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The right to protest doesn't include the right to illegally park large trucks on downtown streets. It also doesn't include the right to harass or assault residents of downtown Ottawa, nor to vandalize their property, all of which are going on.
Re: Timing (Score:5, Insightful)
>Invocation of Emergencies Act, that specifically carves out exceptions to preserve Charter Freedoms, does not make protesting illegal.
Right, what makes them illegal is when they are declared illegal, and that happens when they do not follow the rules of legal protests. I can't speak to Ontario laws specifically, but in Quebec there are rules governing different sizes of protests and what is permitted, like for big ones you need to submit a plan, including itineraries, to police before the protests start.
One thing specific is that blocking a roadway indefinitely is against the law whether you call it a protest or not. So after 3 weeks, it's pretty clear the Ottawa protest has now turned into an illegal occupation or blockade (I'm not sure the correct legal).
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>Yes, I understand your circular logic. You are saying protests are illegal because they were declared illegal. Following your own logic, I declare you wrong.
Slow down there cowboy. The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms defines what kind of protests are legal and what kind are not. When you cross over from one to the other, the police must advise you that your activities are no longer considered legal before imposing sanctions. Nothing circular here.
Re: Timing (Score:4, Informative)
>Blockading public transportation infrastructure (including border crossings) indefinitely is considered a form of protest now?
Yes, the illegal form. And rightly so. I've seen it called a blockade, occupation, and protest. I used the word protest because that's the way the whole thing started out in Ottawa.
Re: Timing (Score:2)
Yes, see the protests and occupations of 2020 and the media defense of protestors blocking bridges, streets, etc. for reference.
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... (Massively hyperexaggerated reports of crime during BLM protests...
Yes, whats a big deal, it just a little murder and shootings, it just little fun among friends, right?
BBC: Two teenagers shot in Seattle's Chop autonomous zone [bbc.com]
NYT: Another Fatal Shooting in Seattle’s ‘CHOP’ Protest Zone. [nytimes.com]
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Nothing like screaming at little kids to show how adult they are at using their right to protest and speak.
They are using their kids as shields against police action. I really never thought I would see such a depraved thing here at home.
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These truckers are protesting the requirement to have a substance injected into their bodies in order to cross a border.
That is a requirement for everyone, for most borders in the world. They are not particularly special snowflakes. Most of the people occupying Ottawa have nothing to do with trucking anymore in any case. The people who have co-opted their protest have much more nefarious agendas.
There is plenty of domestic trucking work for people who can't cross the border, their livelihood is not at all threatened. I suspect many of these people are going to end up perma-banned from the US long after vaccine mandate
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The protesters have been pushing the idea the Governor General can and should fire the government, dissolve the elected House of Commons and put the protesters in charge along with the unelected Senate and her and they seem pretty serious.
They also don't understand that most of the health mandates are Provincial, not Federal with the feds mostly in charge of borders, their workers and trains and airplanes. Nor that needing to be vaccinated to cross borders has been around for perhaps a century.
If they don't
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One unarmed person killed by police in an unprovoked shooting...
How exactly do you expect to be taken seriously when you say stuff like that? It just makes you look crazy or stupid.
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Apart from the scale of the occupied area and the number of occupied areas and the fact that none of them were border crossings, you might notice that blocking transport was never the primary intent, and that the protesters actually worked with the government to alleviate transport issues the protest created. Quite the opposite of the "Freedom convoy."
Re: ur 'merkin, opinions on canada irrelevant (Score:2)
Yeah you're right. I totally saw him looting and beating up cops. You're analogy is apt! Apt I say!
Re: Timing (Score:5, Informative)
The reason you don't see police doing that is simply that you're not looking. Jonathan Ayers, Justine Damond, Cheryl Lynn Noel, Bounkham Phonesavanh - I could go on. These stories, unfortunately, don't make national news and so people like you don't realize they exist.
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The War Measures Act was a higher state of emergency and has been invoked three times before (ironically one of those times by Trudeau's father, during a terrorism crisis involving bombs and the kidnapping/murder of diplomats/politicians). The only reason we can say that the Emergencies Act has never been invoked is because it was the far more restrictive/limited (and relatively recent) replacement for the War Measures Act.
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Illegal occupation?
I prefer "undocumented civil liberties protest"
Re:"Conspiracy" theory (Score:4, Informative)
What's that saying, never explain through malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence, or something like that? Canada's banking industry is far more regulated and centralized than in the US. All banks rely on certain shared system/networks/protocols, which are either standardized by industry (Interac, for example) or by the government (LVTS/ACSS for example). The government ones are operated by Payments Canada, which is part of the government. My point is that I can see there being an outage in some shared system that takes down all the banks.
In fact, Payments Canada just replaced LVTS (Large Value Transfer System) with the new "Lynx" system a few months ago. Considering Payments Canada processes over $50 trillion in payments each year, you can see how an outage in their systems would be rather disruptive.
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What's that saying, never explain through malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence, or something like that? Canada's banking industry is far more regulated and centralized than in the US. All banks rely on certain shared system/networks/protocols, which are either standardized by industry (Interac, for example) or by the government (LVTS/ACSS for example). The government ones are operated by Payments Canada, which is part of the government. My point is that I can see there being an outage in some shared system that takes down all the banks.
In fact, Payments Canada just replaced LVTS (Large Value Transfer System) with the new "Lynx" system a few months ago. Considering Payments Canada processes over $50 trillion in payments each year, you can see how an outage in their systems would be rather disruptive.
Payment networks and web/mobile front ends are totally different beasts. Like cable and broadcast tv. If both are out it's your tv, if one or the other are out it could be for the whole neighborhood. I suppose there could be a catastrophic "it's your tv situation" at the company providing both these services to many banks, but the summary makes this sound like just web front end.
Banks usually don't actually do a lot of the bank-like-stuff we associate with them, themselves. ATMs, web/mobile, payment pro
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The outage was far more widespread than just their websites, front-end or back-end. In addition to online and mobile banking, Interac e-Transfers were failing, consumer retail payments (which also go through Interac) were failing, and RBC reported that their phone system was down, though that could just have been from overwhelming call volume. Furthermore, these outages affected all major banks simultaneously. Akamai might be a candidate, I didn't check beyond the two, but they're routing at least RBC and B
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Do you think the timing is a coincidence between the government's announcement and the outage? It could be.
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I believe there were a few days in between, but it could also be something like an outage by a key network provider like Akamai, or something related to all banks having just switched their large-value payment systems a few months ago, or any number of other plausible explanations. Even if it was related to Trudeau's announcement, why would all the country's major banks go down several days later simultaneously? An outage of some piece of shared infrastructure strikes me as more likely.
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You're saying there was a coordinated ransomware attack on numerous Canadian banks at the same time?
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I think it's probably the end result of the trude speech itself.
Banks got ddosed by people trying to protect their money somehow, probably by sending it to another bank or buying crypto.
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The vast majority of Canadian citizens strongly oppose Trudeau's actions. He is a tyrant and a tinpot dictator. The sooner they vote him out of office the better the country will be.
I'm no Trudeau fan, but his government just got re-elected 4 months ago in a free and fair election.
The people occupying Ottawa and not truckers, they are seditious treasonous fucks who want to overthrow the government. Rest assured most Canadians want to see them in prison.
Re:Comrade Trudeau... (Score:5, Insightful)
One simple step would be to meet with them. How difficult is that?
Why? He is not going to acquiesce to any of their demands. Meeting them would only serve to give them legitimacy they don't deserve. The vast majority of Canadians do not support their goals.
And people like Doug Ford (Ontario Premier) talking about how this is "hurting jobs" is laughable, considering the past two years of virtually total lock down putting businesses out of business leading to the direct loss of jobs.
The Windsor-Detroit border protest caused auto workers to be laid of on both side of the border. The border has been open to essential good all throughout the entire pandemic. It was never closed. Yes, there were lockdowns in Ottawa during the pandemic. How does people creating new business closures to protest the old ones solve anything? These people are not the brightest crayons in the box.
Some truckers are whining because they now have to be vaccinated to cross the border. Even if Trudeau lifted that order, they still need it to cross the US border. Hell you need to be vaccinated to travel most places in the world these days. This is not something Trudeau can fix, even if he wanted to.
Also, 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. The trucking organizations have all said there is no shortage of domestic work for truckers who don't want the shot. Most of the occupation is not about truckers anymore though, they have been co-opted by radical fringe groups, and I think they are slowly starting to realize that, now that it is too late.
Re:Comrade Trudeau... (Score:4, Informative)
If our elections ran on popular vote, but they don't, so your point is meaningless.
You do realize that Canadians do not vote for their Prime Minister the way that Americans vote for their President, yes?
We vote for our local Member of Parliament. The party that takes the most seats in the House is given a chance to form government. They put forward one of their elected officials to the the Prime Minister.
Literally the only people who had the option to vote for Trudeau were people in the riding of Papineau.
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The vast majority of Canadian citizens strongly oppose Trudeau's actions. He is a tyrant and a tinpot dictator. The sooner they vote him out of office the better the country will be.
Weird, he literally just won an election in September [wikipedia.org].
It's almost like us Canadians prefer to run our country through elections rather than dictates coming from a handful of truckers (or ceremonial government bodies acting as their puppets [nationalpost.com]).
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I'm not disputing that he won the election. However, I don't recall him running with the intent of putting measures equating to martial law into effect.
Here is a quote from Canada's very own Globe and Mail outlining just some of the powers he has unilaterally given himself: "Banks will temporarily be allowed to freeze personal and business accounts suspected of being used to further the blockades without obtaining a court order, and without fear of being sued for doing so, Ms. Freeland said at a news confer
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I'm not disputing that he won the election. However, I don't recall him running with the intent of putting measures equating to martial law into effect.
But he did run on the current set pandemic policies.
The "truckers" (a handful of truckers and a lot of religious conservatives) are trying to force a major change to the pandemic policies by blockading the border and shutting down (and harassing) the capitol city.
And they should be to any concerned citizen that wants to continue to live in a free and open society. Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem.
It's far from ideal, but right now the "truckers" have every intention of keeping control of downtown Ottawa until all pandemic restrictions are lifted. Not having control of the capitol, leaving the citizens of downtown Ottawa to subject to consta
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But he did run on the current set pandemic policies.
That is the part people don't get. Canada has had 1/3 the COVID deaths per capita of the US. It has been hard on everyone but we have come together to do what we had to to do and the vast majority have done their part without being a bunch of snowflakes. And we have supported those affected pretty well.
These protesters think their whining moves any of us? Not. Truckers have been trucking this whole time. If anything they have no idea what sacrifice is.
Police Chief Resignation (Score:2)
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better yet, freeze them with water cannons then dump their sedition-cicles and trucks in Ottawa bay.
Why bother? Freezing their bank accounts means their families can't buy food and fuel, or pay utility bills or taxes. So they'll starve as they freeze in the dark during the rest of this exceptionally cold Canadian winter - probably even before they'd be kicked out of their houses due to missed mortgage payments.