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New Microsoft Office Arrives Early Next Month, and Won't Require You To Pay For a Subscription (cnet.com) 97

Microsoft's new, flat-price version of its Office productivity software will arrive on Oct. 5 -- the same day Windows 11 begins rolling out, according to a company blog post Thursday. From a report: Microsoft previously emphasized that while its main focus remains in its subscription offering, Microsoft 365, it will release the one-time purchase Office 2021 for those who aren't ready to move to the cloud. Office 2021 arrives in two versions: one for commercial users, called Office LTSC (which stands for Long Term Servicing Channel), and one for personal use. Office LTSC is generally available today, the post said, and includes enhanced accessibility features, performance improvements across Word, Excel and PowerPoint, and visual improvements, like dark mode support across apps. It's meant for specialty situations, as opposed to for an entire organization, such as process control devices on the manufacturing floor that are not connected to the internet. Meanwhile, Office 2021 for personal use will arrive on Oct. 5, though Microsoft has not yet announced pricing information.
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New Microsoft Office Arrives Early Next Month, and Won't Require You To Pay For a Subscription

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  • by TheNameOfNick ( 7286618 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @04:11PM (#61802645)

    No subscription or one-time purchase required.

    • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @05:00PM (#61802751)

      No subscription or one-time purchase required.

      And it works darn well.

      • And it has a real menu, with menu items written in alphabetic characters instead of hieroglyphs.

        • And it has a real menu, with menu items written in alphabetic characters instead of hieroglyphs.

          Good point.

    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      ANd it was updated today with fixes! :D

    • It pains me to say this, but old MS Office UI is still better than LO, even after all these years.

  • isn't bad at all. I think it shows the competition from Open Office & Google Docs getting to them. Though it looks like Access is $140. It really should be $70 to complete the pricing.
    • The vast majority of people don't use Access, and those that do use Access aren't really familiar with anything else, and aren't willing to learn anything else, so Microsoft knows they can ask a lot of money for it.

      Really $250 Isn't a bad price, but considering you can get the family plan for $10 a month for you entire family, use it for up to 6 different people, and get online storage along with that subscription, the subscription plan almost seems like a much better deal unless you are the only person usi

      • Throw in OneNote [microsoft.com] and Visio [microsoft.com] and it would be a great deal.

      • The vast majority of people don't use Access, and those that do use Access aren't really familiar with anything else, and aren't willing to learn anything else, so Microsoft knows they can ask a lot of money for it.

        Which is strange, because FileMaker Pro is a lot more flexible and intuitive, and you design professional looking "almost apps". I keep having people ask me what program it is I'm working with. I tell them FileMaker. The reply is usually "Not the database - that program you are using, right there."

        • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
          Hmm strang, I wonder why theyreact that way, I supect they may think that A database is the thing the geek in the corner uses, withor ever realizibg that evryrine the log on to their bsnk, thsy sre in fact just seeing on ar more databases with a prity ui, same goes fir wharwever web sute they go to. But as long as they dont see ( to them at leasr) incomprahensible sql,or some horrebly desingned CURD form, rhey don't think of it as a database. Here we have the big disconnect between us slashdot readers and
  • Huh? (Score:4, Funny)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @04:51PM (#61802723)

    Microsoft's new, flat-price version of its Office productivity software

    Obviously the writer hasn't used Office recently. It's anything but productive.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      Obviously the writer hasn't used Office recently. It's anything but productive.

      [Citation Required] Sure it's a nice soundbite, but please show your measurements.

      • It is not productive.

        -- Me, right now. [slashdot.org]

        Here's your your citation.

        Learn form it, that it being a citation is not what makes it right or wrong.

        And the next time, ask for verifiable data supporting the argument, and avoid looking like a Wikipedia idiot.

        • Please learn the difference between having an opinion backed with data and a request about being "right or wrong". Otherwise you just look like an actual idiot.

      • In my new job we use MS Office, so for the first time in a decade or so I used Excel.

        What a piece of shit.

        I had a sort-of CSV file I wanted to load. It had equal sign,commas, colons, and parenthesis that I wanted to use as separators. NOPE. Only one character in the "custom separator" box. WTF?

        OK, so I open the file with a text editor and replace all the crap with commas. I "Import the data" and try to make a graph. NOPE. Graphs can only have 255 series. WTF?

        Oh, if you try to import CSV it tries t

        • It sounds like Excel is largely saving you from yourself. A graph with more than 255 series in it sounds like a pointless unreadable graph, or one with a poor basis for data.

          Also your CSV example is hilarious. Complaining that your file isn't proper CSV (which imports without issue), you then decry the Power Query editor tool designed precisely to deal with data that isn't properly CSV formatted (i.e. the very tool that would solve your problem) as being "DB shit", and go to edit the text file manually.

          Of c

          • Fair enough, I hadn't used Excel in over a decade.

            It used to work for my data, and my data didn't have over 255 series. It was the data import fucking it up, so that's on Excel.

    • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
      That migt, or migt nit be true, however in thus case ut us irelevant, in this case Microsift office, has, and probably allways will be in the category of iffice oroductibvery sw, however much or indeed littele it actually helps oeopke be oroductive with general office tasks
  • Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @05:55PM (#61802879)

    When was the last time anyone needed any of the new features of a newer MS Office? Somewhere in the 90s?

    • by smap77 ( 1022907 )

      Besides embedding video in a PPT, I can't think of much that Office 2019 does better than 97.

      • by tgeek ( 941867 )
        Excel 2007 breaking the limit of 64k rows in a spreadsheet was quite handy.
        • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
          Esp when excel inevetably get used for stuff that it was not designed for. Laje the wonderfull case with covid tracking case traking in the UK. Yea don't use excel ( or any other soreadcheat for that natter) for that, use a database. But again oeople use what they know and are resonably confertable with, so excel it is.

          Note: ok thus example might not be oerfect, this was in the middke of a crises, with a government that seams inept( look at brexit), there was no time to design a good system, and the event
    • "Need" is not the word, but MS has added some new features lately that are actually useful. Since they switched to frequent updates they have actually been fixing some issues and adding common sense features that should have been there years ago. For me, dark mode is the #1 best new feature. It was possible to make the page dark on Win7 and before by changing the OS colors, but it also interfered with the "automatic" color and could cause unexpected issues when viewed on another computer. The new dark mode
      • Curious: How hard is it to get legal numbering (like section 1, 1.1, 1.1.1 etc.) in Word these days? Last time I looked, (a) it was really painful (everything needed to be set up by and), and (b) it was buggy. Whereas with LaTeX, It Just Works out of the box.

        Not saying that your average user wants to use LaTeX, but with on-line wysiwyg editors that day is getting closer. If someone would provide a downloadable wysiwyg LaTeX editor, we'd be there, and with superior typesetting.

  • A desktop is not a cell phone. No one wants to pay monthly to use word processing.

    SaaS, I hope fails, and not soon enough.
    • by caseih ( 160668 )

      So most people say. However, Office 365 is, by all accounts, incredibly successful. Many people feel it's a great deal, especially some businesses where it can be cheaper for them than the perpetual licenses. I think it clearly has a place, even if it doesn't interest me in the slightest.

  • Of course, you know, Office 2019 was previously available and people who weren't idiots used that instead the subscription version.

    So it sounds like Microsoft is backing away from the idea of making everything subscription based for everyone.

    A lot of people just want to install MS Office for that occasional MS Office document that they have to deal with once every few months. Paying for a subscription for that use is just silly. Lately I've even had complete idiots talk to me about OpenOffice/LibreOffice. S

  • by wernst ( 536414 ) on Thursday September 16, 2021 @06:51PM (#61802993) Homepage

    Potentially Unpopular Opinion: the Office 365 Annual Subscription is a fantastic deal if you have a lot of family members, and devices, and could use a huge amount of online storage/backup/file syncing.

    For $100 a year, here's what your Office 365 license gets you:

    - Full use of the installable versions of Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, Publisher, and Access, plus OneNote 2016 (although OneNote 2016 is now free for anyone to use, it integrates with the rest of Office 365).
    - These installations work on ALL your devices: Windows PCs, Macintoshes, Android devices (phone/tablets/ChromeOS), iPhones, iPads. So in my case, I have Office installed on my Windows desktop, my laptop, my *other* desktop, my MacBook, my Android phone, my Android tablet, and my Chromebook. All for one license.
    - One TB (!) of online storage (or backup) on Microsoft OneDrive for your documents, music, photos, or whatever, using a Dropbox-like syncing tool that works across devices if you like, so I can access all my files and photos across all my devices all the time from anywhere, or just use it as an off-site backup. Acronis charges about this much for 1TB of online storage just by itself. Carbonite is like $80 a year. iDrive is like $70 a year. If you were going to use an online backup tool for lots of stuff, then you might as well do Office 365 - it's like paying for the online storage you were looking for, and getting all the Office applications for free.
    - Full access to the online versions of MS Office. So if I'm at someone else's PC or at a business center in a hotel, or using the PWA version on my Chromebook, or need to do some office work on my Linux box, I can open up (a semi-reduced feature version of) Word or Excel in a web browser, and if I'm using OneDrive (and I am), I can access all my files from that browser too.
    - And then I can have 5 family members do all this too, all on the same license, because that $100 a year is for the whole family! So my wife each gets all these apps on all her devices, and she gets 1TB of device-syncing OneDrive storage too. So does my kid. So does my Mom. So does my Father in Law. So each person is getting all this stuff, including 1TB of online storage EACH, for about $20 a year.

    Now don't get me wrong, I've used and recommended LibreOffice for years too, and I fully respect its capabilities, but Microsoft's pricing model for Office reminds me of Netflix vs. Torrents for movies: yes, Torrents are free, but Netflix is so much quality content for so little money, if you can swing a few bucks a month, it's worth it. So is Office 365.

    Yes, yes, Hail Corporate.

    • by rastos1 ( 601318 )
      You are right. But the downside is: MS Office.
    • How much will it cost me in time lost in endless forced windows updates and ransomware wiping out my business.

      wernst: The subscription is a good deal though... [slashdot.org]
      • by wernst ( 536414 )

        Well, I dunno - how often are your Macs, Chromebooks, Android devices, and iOS devices getting forced Windows updates now? Office 365 is a multi-platform software suite.

        And as for ransomware wiping out your business - if you're backing up your files offsite like you should, if you're using a tool like OneDrive (which, oh yeah, comes with Office 365) then when the ransomware locks up your local files, your OneDrive account will still have all your files, since it not only recognized mass encryption and stops

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I considered it but ended up with Jottacloud for cloud storage, LibreOffice and Joplin for notes.

      The main issue is that 1TB of storage just isn't enough. I also hate Word because the way it handles section numbering is so awfully painful, as are all the "helpful" ways it converts what you type in into something you didn't want.

      Well, the other thing, and it's quite minor but still bugs me, is the smooth animation of the cursor. It's so slow, can't be sped up, and the only way to disable it is to change your

      • Agreed on section numbering. This has been broken in Word for decades, and I can't believe they haven't fixed it. Whereas in LaTeX, It Just Works.

    • by Tora ( 65882 )

      Or, gSuite. Yeah, google. It's like comparing satan and cthulhu. But guess what -- gsuite works great, does exactly what I need, it's easy to use, it's easy to share, and the price is great. bonus: It's not the company that squoze the life out of netscape in an evil predatory act.

      • I've had to use gsuite for some projects, and Word for others. And while I pretty much hate Word, gsuite is so horribly under-powered that it's even more painful than Word.

    • by Passman ( 6129 )

      The 1TB storage really is a nice feature.

      I use on of my licenses as online backup storage. I've got a cron job that copies important files off my desktop and laptop (whenever it's connected to my home WiFi) over to onedrive on this second account. My desktop / laptop can't even see this drive, so even if they get cryptolocked all of my important data is secure.

      OneDrive also takes care of versioning, so even if things get encrypted, I can just roll back to the previous version and get the decrypted edition

  • I'm looking riiiight at you. No, no, don't turn away pretending you didn't see me.

  • Why not just avoid the issue and use the 100% free LibreOffice. It can be as cloudy or traditional as you want.

  • So some of you might have heard that Office 2019 started heading down the path of JavaScript. 2021 is showing that JavaScript is getting better treatment than VBA now. Many of the new APIs have JS hooks only. This is to allow for macros that work with the WebView2 runtime which will allow macros on Desktop to run online as well. It's very clear now that Microsoft intends VBA for legacy and JavaScript for the future.

    Outside of the new runtime that's powering the Office JS engine. The Mailbox 1.8 feature

  • Do the Microsoft subscription versions of office require an always-on network service?

    I know I must be in a minority, but I have a copy of Office 2016 installed on a laptop that I set up specifically to use off-grid and away from all network connections.

    At the same time, that working arrangement also means I work on laptop battery or external power block for extended periods of time which means that, for me, CPU-efficient software is also important. Much as I accept that some of the advanced features
    • by Passman ( 6129 )

      Do the Microsoft subscription versions of office require an always-on network service?

      The subscription versions have to call home at least once a month. If they go 30 days without, they drop into read only mode.

      I know I must be in a minority, but I have a copy of Office 2016 installed on a laptop that I set up specifically to use off-grid and away from all network connections.

      And that use case is exactly why there is an Office 2021 coming out next month. It is marketed specifically for PCs that are off-grid.

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