Windows 11 Now Has Its First Beta Release (theverge.com) 49
Microsoft has released the first beta of Windows 11, available to those enrolled in its Windows Insider Program. From a report: Until today, getting access to Windows 11 meant installing the Dev preview, which Microsoft says is for "highly technical users" as it has "rough edges." According to Microsoft, the beta release is less volatile, with builds being validated by Microsoft (though it's still probably something you'll want to install on a test machine or second partition). Of course, to install the beta you'll need a compatible computer. Figuring out if your hardware will work with the next version of Windows has been notoriously tricky to pin down, but Microsoft's article about preparing for Insider builds directs people to its system requirements page. The company has said that it will be paying close attention to how well 7th Gen Intel and AMD Zen 1 CPUs work during the testing period, so it's possible those systems could be allowed to run the beta but not the final release.
I don't think my computer will run it. (Score:1)
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I don't think my computer will run it either because I have no interest whatsoever in installing it and if I happen to buy a computer that has it preinstalled I will immediately overwrite it. After all, Windows is nothing more than a pale imitation of KDE, plus spyware.
Re: I don't think my computer will run it. (Score:2)
I think there's some confusion somewhere.
Win11 is running perfectly fine and much faster than 10 on my 6 year old thinkpad yoga 260 and macbook air 2015.
i7 & i5 6500U CPUs resp, 8 & 4 GB RAM, TPM 1.2 & None (TPM 2 is tiered on tpy260 by way if Intel PTT), Secure Boot disabled or enabled made no difference so I prefer disabled else trying new linux distros gets too involved for my liking.
Since win10 I no longer use linux as my primary system but still like to keep it installed on one part
Hardware blocks not fully implemented (Score:1)
The company has said that it will be paying close attention to how well 7th Gen Intel and AMD Zen 1 CPUs work during the testing period, so it's possible those systems could be allowed to run the beta but not the final release.
Once they confirm that the "too slow" hardware blocks are fully-working, they'll release it.
Re:Hardware blocks not fully implemented (Score:5, Informative)
The company has said that it will be paying close attention to how well 7th Gen Intel and AMD Zen 1 CPUs work during the testing period, so it's possible those systems could be allowed to run the beta but not the final release.
Once they confirm that the "too slow" hardware blocks are fully-working, they'll release it.
I was under the impression (from reading other articles) that the issue wasn't about the speed of older processors, but instructions / features available on newer hardware than Microsoft wants to take advantage of, like for "security" (probably meaning anti-piracy) reasons. I mean, simply disallowing the OS to run on older hardware -- especially after confirming that it *does* work -- would be, well, stupid.
Personally, most of my hardware is older and if MS continues down this path they'll "innovate" themselves out of a customer. Windows 10 will be the last version for me and I'll (finally) make the switch to just using my Linux systems for everything -- that I've been too lazy to do so far. I think I'm mainly using my Windows systems for Excel and Publisher files (as well as some Lotus spreadsheets -- I also have SmartSuite) that will be a PITA to convert to LibreOffice. In the end, I'll probably just move Office Pro 2010 and SmartSuite to the Windows 10 VM on my larger Linux system while I either migrate things to LibreOffice or leave things as they are.
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I've been running Win 11 on my Surface Pro (2017 or v5 ) with an i7-7660U, and performance is not a problem for me.
My big glitches have been my Arc Touch Surface mouse becoming nonresponsive occasionally, though that started on Windows 10 a month earlier, having to reinstall the Windows Hello Face Software Driver after the last two updates, and lack of granularity in power scheme settings, not even through the registry. And one screen freeze early on, none since.
Otherwise it has been stable as 10, the one s
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It's a policy decision. Windows 11's dev build runs happily on all machines that MS's upgrade compatibility tool has already said won't be able to run Windows 11, including the Surface Pro 2017, computers with TPM disabled, and computers without UEFI secure boot.
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Hardware vendors don't want to spend money/time porting drivers and doing QA for hardware they already sold, they want to sell you new hardware.
windows server will not have the same limits? (Score:2)
windows server will not have the same limits? at the very least it needs to run in an VM where you may not have an TPM, webcam , etc given to the VM.
Maybe there is room for an windows workstation build called gamer pro? lower price then an windows enterprise so they give something vs gamer's getting windows server that are not payed for.
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MBEC was introduced on 7th Gen though (Score:2)
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Re:Hardware blocks not fully implemented (Score:4, Informative)
probably meaning anti-piracy
Why would it mean anti-piracy? Microsoft has done precisely nothing to reduce piracy in the past decade including keeping all the same mechanisms to bypass activation from Windows 7, all the way through to now.
They don't care.
Personally, most of my hardware is older and if MS continues down this path they'll "innovate" themselves out of a customer.
Forget the hardware, MS has already screwed the pooch:
- Most BIOS do not have fTPM enabled by default meaning automatic update won't install Windows 11.
- Most BIOS when presented with the Windows 10 USB install stick will boot it in Legacy mode meaning Windows 10 by default is installed in Legacy mode. Better still right up until version 19XX something the installer defaulted to a partition scheme not compatible with UEFI so even if you did convert the primary drive to a GPT partition table it would fail to boot. If you are legacy booting automatic update won't install Windows 11.
- Even among UEFI secure boot is largely disabled on machines so automatic update won't install Windows 11.
I look forward to an absolutely lackluster set of update numbers coming from MS the next couple of years.
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Forget the hardware, MS has already screwed the pooch: - Most BIOS do not have fTPM enabled by default meaning automatic update won't install Windows 11. - Most BIOS when presented with the Windows 10 USB install stick will boot it in Legacy mode meaning Windows 10 by default is installed in Legacy mode. Better still right up until version 19XX something the installer defaulted to a partition scheme not compatible with UEFI so even if you did convert the primary drive to a GPT partition table it would fail to boot. If you are legacy booting automatic update won't install Windows 11. - Even among UEFI secure boot is largely disabled on machines so automatic update won't install Windows 11.
I look forward to an absolutely lackluster set of update numbers coming from MS the next couple of years.
What might get me to switch to 11 on my W10 computer is for the idiots at microsoft to adopt an update policy similar to MacOS and Linux.
Whereas on my Macs and Linux, I choose when to update. Windows? They have the BOHICA model. And you can't do a damn thing about it. My W10 Pro computers, I can set group policy and even disable the update service, and sometimes it works, but often does not. And my Windows 10 Enterprise computer that I have to take to the IT guy to update has on occasion performed an upd
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Windows? They have the BOHICA model. And you can't do a damn thing about it.
No. Windows has a deadline model. You get to choose when to update and delay for 35 days, and quite frankly if you can't find a window in that period in which to update then you deserve to be labelled the IT equivalent of an anti-vaxxer.
Microsoft controls the computers, not me.
Indeed. We have 30 years of experience showing you (the royal you, meaning everyone) can't be trusted to work either in their own self interest let alone the interest of those around you. When stupid IT "professional" help setup grandma's computer and disable Windows Update
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Windows? They have the BOHICA model. And you can't do a damn thing about it.
No. Windows has a deadline model. You get to choose when to update and delay for 35 days, and quite frankly if you can't find a window in that period in which to update then you deserve to be labelled the IT equivalent of an anti-vaxxer.
You don't know every single use case, my angry friend - seriously, what you so brittle about these days? I have one system that I do not do the updates on - I have to take it to an IT guy to update. But when I'm on their network, the BOHICA updates occasionally happen.
Another system I administer has worked to make me disable their network and turn off all of the computers I administer when no one is there. This puts an obvious crimp in the update process. I'm going to stop administering it unless they al
It's not so bad so far (Score:5, Informative)
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No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Windows 11 isn't even out yet and Windows 10 is supported at worst til October 2025.
Calm the fuck down.
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Lets force people with people that have older than a gen 8 Intel processor to upgrade..
Is it a MS hit-squad going door to door and telling you to buy a new PC and upgrade to windows 11 if you don't want to find your children in the bottom of a river? Or do they torture you directly?
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Lets force people with people that have older than a gen 8 Intel processor to upgrade.. and during a global chip shortage.
Force? Why do you need Windows 11 so badly? Why do you need Windows so badly? There are still years of support for Windows 10 but you seem to be going to great lengths to find a way to be oppressed.
Then again, Windows 10 was supposed to be the last version of Windows.
No it wasn't. One "developer evangelist" said that, once, at some developer meetup and you all take is gospel.
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Then again, Windows 10 was supposed to be the last version of Windows. I know, wishful thinking.
Honestly, if you go back to the tape and turn on closed captions, they capture it perfectly, "Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows! *loud applause* <trailing off> that'll-run-on-your-hardware"
Oh boy (Score:1, Offtopic)
Oh Boy, a beta for windows. Me, I do not care at all.
Now I do care a great deal about Slackware 15 beta from April that is still being tested extensively. And I know when released it will work without any issues.
Mon Apr 12 20:07:12 UTC 2021 I'm going to go ahead and call this a beta even though there's still no fix for the illegal instruction issue with 32-bit mariadb. But there should be soon (thanks ponce!) No build regressions noted with the official gcc-10.3 release. Please report any new (or old) issues on the LQ Slackware forum
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I just wish Pat would release the darnn thing. Current is working well but I never wanted to run current; just 14.2 got soo long in the tooth.
I really think he is hurting the distro's future with this long a delay. Store issues aside.
W11? yawn. (Score:2, Offtopic)
Honestly, news about CBL-mariner had been more interesting.
Microsoft is contributing to global trash (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, stop forcing consumers and business to upgrade at the behest of the hardware industry. Let us keep our computers, quit invalidating good hardware. It's also stupid because windows 11 will be slower and more hardware intensive (how do I know this? because I know how MSFT works).
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Seriously, stop forcing consumers and business to upgrade at the behest of the hardware industry. Let us keep our computers, quit invalidating good hardware.
You can. No one is demanding you install Windows 11 and then bricking your computers if you don't comply. The only way this will contribute to global trash is if *you* are so desperate to run the latest shiny OS.
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Seriously, stop forcing consumers and business to upgrade at the behest of the hardware industry. Let us keep our computers, quit invalidating good hardware.
You can. No one is demanding you install Windows 11 and then bricking your computers if you don't comply. The only way this will contribute to global trash is if *you* are so desperate to run the latest shiny OS.
I still see the occasional W95 computer setup in professional offices, and W7 works fine, and has the advantage that it doesn't get regular updates. I even have a W8 computer I use as a test machine, and to ridicule on occasion. But yeah, people have been brainwashed into believing if they don't have the lates OS and the latest update for it, their computer will become part of an unupdated computer apocalypse. When in fact, the less Windows updates, the better. Let's face it, when an ancient HP printer dr
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That's a big ongoing and unaddressed security risk, it turns out that every Windows OS is inherently unsafe.
It is an incredibly stupid assessment to say Windows is inherently unsafe because a 3rd party shipped a buggy driver. HP's Linux drivers are also 100MB+ shitshows. The attack surface presented on Windows here is exclusively it's popularity.
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That's a big ongoing and unaddressed security risk, it turns out that every Windows OS is inherently unsafe.
It is an incredibly stupid assessment to say Windows is inherently unsafe because a 3rd party shipped a buggy driver. HP's Linux drivers are also 100MB+ shitshows. The attack surface presented on Windows here is exclusively it's popularity.
Make no mistake - I am by anyone's definition incredibly stupid. I get people really angry when I step on the toes of their sacred cows - how's that for a mixed metaphor? You seem to be really edgy and quick with the insults here lately - something bothering you, bro?
But any operating system that has individual manufacturers write drivers, is only as secure as the writers of the drivers are. Microsoft might not have written the drivers, but they sent the security flaw along to everyone. If your Windows
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Let MS do this so users can go to alternative OSes.
Can home users create local accounts yet? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Don't read the requirements link or anything...
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Why would they be able to? It's 2021. If you want to run a local account then grow a beard and install an OS for elite hackers. Consumers don't give a crap, and Windows 11 Home is very much a consumer OS.
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Pro will let you do that from what I read.
And in other news (Score:2)
Windows 11 Now Has Its First Beta Release
Be still, my heart!
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Windows 11 Now Has Its First Beta Release
Be still, my heart!
Everyone has the weirdest boners.
Wait, I don't understand (Score:2)
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No. Several people who worked at MS said that. None of those people work there anymore. No seriously the entire leadership for not only the company, but the division which runs windows down several layers of management has changed (in some cases more than once) since the previous strategy was announced.
Companies change directions when different people take over. In other news, the company who didn't think the Internet would take off is now the second largest cloud provider in the world. News at 11.
it has "rough edges." (Score:2)
... as does windows 10x ;)
Wrong term (Score:2)