Eight of the World's Biggest Technology Service Providers Were Hacked by Chinese Cyber Spies in an Elaborate and Years-Long Invasion (reuters.com) 99
The invasion exploited weaknesses in those companies, their customers, and the Western system of technological defense, Reuters reported on Wednesday. From the report: Hacked by suspected Chinese cyber spies five times from 2014 to 2017, security staff at Swedish telecoms equipment giant Ericsson had taken to naming their response efforts after different types of wine. Pinot Noir began in September 2016. After successfully repelling a wave of attacks a year earlier, Ericsson discovered the intruders were back. And this time, the company's cybersecurity team could see exactly how they got in: through a connection to information-technology services supplier Hewlett Packard Enterprise. Teams of hackers connected to the Chinese Ministry of State Security had penetrated HPE's cloud computing service and used it as a launchpad to attack customers, plundering reams of corporate and government secrets for years in what U.S. prosecutors say was an effort to boost Chinese economic interests.
The hacking campaign, known as "Cloud Hopper," was the subject of a U.S. indictment in December that accused two Chinese nationals of identity theft and fraud. Prosecutors described an elaborate operation that victimized multiple Western companies but stopped short of naming them. A Reuters report at the time identified two: Hewlett Packard Enterprise and IBM. Yet the campaign ensnared at least six more major technology firms, touching five of the world's 10 biggest tech service providers. Also compromised by Cloud Hopper, Reuters has found: Fujitsu, Tata Consultancy Services, NTT Data, Dimension Data, Computer Sciences Corporation and DXC Technology. HPE spun-off its services arm in a merger with Computer Sciences Corporation in 2017 to create DXC.
The hacking campaign, known as "Cloud Hopper," was the subject of a U.S. indictment in December that accused two Chinese nationals of identity theft and fraud. Prosecutors described an elaborate operation that victimized multiple Western companies but stopped short of naming them. A Reuters report at the time identified two: Hewlett Packard Enterprise and IBM. Yet the campaign ensnared at least six more major technology firms, touching five of the world's 10 biggest tech service providers. Also compromised by Cloud Hopper, Reuters has found: Fujitsu, Tata Consultancy Services, NTT Data, Dimension Data, Computer Sciences Corporation and DXC Technology. HPE spun-off its services arm in a merger with Computer Sciences Corporation in 2017 to create DXC.
So... (Score:2)
Does this mean Apple, Google and Microsoft are safe on this one?
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Does this mean Apple, Google and Microsoft are safe on this one?
Google perhaps, Apple and Microsoft get blamed for everything here including herpes and the common cold.
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Don't be silly. You get herpes from Wang.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories
âChinese Cyber Spiesâ(TM) (Score:1, Insightful)
Re: âChinese Cyber Spiesâ(TM) (Score:1)
Just easier to ignore a problem right? While shit posting Orwell quotes that you barely understand.
Wow! Nazi's you can't trust?! (Score:2)
Who would have thought that a fascist state that harvests convicts for organs instead of having a robust appeals system would ever act dishonestly?
I'm stunned.
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Who would have thought that a fascist state that harvests "Dissenters and religious peasants" for organs instead of having a robust "trial" system would ever act dishonestly
ftfy
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Who would have thought that a fascist state that harvests convicts for organs instead of having a robust appeals system would ever act dishonestly?
I'm stunned.
You calling China Fascist is about as dumb as Ben Shapiro calling Andrew Neil a 'leftist' out to make a buck at Shapiro's expense on the BBC.
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Who would have thought that a fascist state that harvests convicts for organs instead of having a robust appeals system would ever act dishonestly?
I'm stunned.
You calling China Fascist is about as dumb as Ben Shapiro calling Andrew Neil a 'leftist' out to make a buck at Shapiro's expense on the BBC.
So what's not fascist [wikipedia.org] about China:
dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy
Or are you intellectually limited to a simplistic, one-dimensional left/right description of the combined worlds of politics and economics, and therefore "left wing Communists" can't be "fascist"?
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So what's not fascist [wikipedia.org] about China:
dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy
Acutally it says:
Fascism (/fæzm/) is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe
... oh you zen master of cherrypicking.
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GGP post used the term "fascist" and not the proper, more limited term "Fascism".
You're not as smart as you believe you are, you zen master of ... nothing.
You have that the wrong way around oh zen master of numbskullery. A fascist is a solitary practitioner of fascism. Thus, if anything, a fascist is a subset of the fascist movement being that the fascist movement consists of many fascists. I still can't stop laughing at the fact that you lifted that statement from the Wikipedia definition of Fascism to prove Chinese communists are Fascists, left out the right-wing part, then linked to the Wikipedia definition of Fascism and expected nobody to notice what yo
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All the Antifa types repeatedly reference that Wikipedia article, as though Wikipedia is even a reliable source.
If you look at the quoted sources for that article, you'll find that the same source is being referenced repeatedly, and that the source in question is a well known far-left think tank that has been around for decades.
Anyone who graduated school prior to 2000 was taught that communism/socialism are far left ideologies and that the historical references for such behavior(fascism) were all leftists, and this is truth.
I tried to place a dispute on the article but I'm not going to sit down and learn a new markup language just to dispute the article.
There are literally no historical references in print that refer to fascism as a rightist ideology.
Dude, you quoted a Wikipedia article that calls Fascism a right-wing ideology as proof that Chinese communists and Fascists are the same thing. How dumb can you get? And I'm not interested in your private gripe with Antifa, just the question of whether Fascism and Communism are the same political philosophy and whether Fascism is a left wing political philosophy (which it is not).
Re:Wow! Nazi's you can't trust?! (Score:4, Insightful)
When China moved from pure communism to a market economy, inserting communist party brass in companies, and kept all their government's authoritarianism, they fulfilled the bounds of the strict definition. When they started throwing Uyghurs in reeducation camps to indoctrinate them in Han culture (or worse), the fulfilled the looser definition.
China is the most successful fascist government the world has ever seen.
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What is a Fascist state? By strict definition, an authoritarian government that controls its capitalist industry. By looser definition, an ethno-nationalist, authoritarian state. When China moved from pure communism to a market economy, inserting communist party brass in companies, and kept all their government's authoritarianism, they fulfilled the bounds of the strict definition. When they started throwing Uyghurs in reeducation camps to indoctrinate them in Han culture (or worse), the fulfilled the looser definition. China is the most successful fascist government the world has ever seen.
Fascism (/fæzm/) is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
The Chinese are Authoritarian, they are nationalistic, they are dictatorial, they suppress opposition and they strongly regiment society and the economy but they are not right-wing
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Right wing on what metric? The Germans weren't laissez-faire. You can find papers from Goebbels about the superiority of socialism.
By what metric is Fascism obviously left wing? And please link to some of those papers Göbbels wrote about the superiority of socialism. I'm fluent in German and I can read Nazi Fraktur script even if it is an intensely unpleasant experience.
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Strawman. I haven't argued that Fascism is bound by a two dimensional "wing".
The difference between left and right ... (Score:2)
You're attempting to dodge the obvious point, that Nazis weren't economically decidedly right wing (and, with a market economy, China isn't decidedly left wing).
Strawman. I haven't argued that Fascism is bound by a two dimensional "wing".
Weill if you have an N dimensional definition of the political spectrum where N is greater than 2 please outline it for us so we don't have to guess at it. In the mean time here is the traditional case for the difference between left and right. You are judging left and right according to what is real in the N-American cultural bubble. You people consider the Clintons and Obama to be left wing. Some of the pundits on Fox News actually seem to consider them borderline communists. In the world outside of the N
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A lot of words, but you dodged the point again.
Too lazy to read them? And no I did not dodge any point, I provided you with a pretty clear definition of the difference between left and right, you were just to lazy to read it.
Perhaps you don't have a degree. I have three. Perhaps yours did not cover governmental systems. In one of my degrees I learned that fascism is so well studied because it is a mix of "left" and "right" whether you choose to use the European or American model. Fascism simply does not fit that limited understanding.
However, for a good 10-20 years now people have been trying to redefine Nazism as hard right, when it was center left with right features and fascism as hard right when it has just as much in common with hard left. That, I think, is the problem; you have fallen for the historic revisionism because it benefits your political view. It makes you feel good about yourself and feel justified hatred against people that aren't like you. Does that sound familiar? It should. That is how the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei came into power.
Want to have some fun in seeing this point? Head over to any well-stocked university library and compare sections on fascism from the same textbook in different versions over the last decade or two. That might be the only change in these books. It infuriates my history dean and the political science department is in a permanent argument over what to do about it. Same process has just started with antifa, the modern version of brownshirts in sheep's, or rather emo clothing.
You have three degrees, so what? That makes you automatically right? ... dream on. Let me distill this down for you since for all your degrees you don't seem to have the attention span required to read a few lines of text: The key distinction between right and left is the question of equality. The left believes most inequalities are
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The Chinese are Authoritarian, they are nationalistic, they are dictatorial, they suppress opposition and they strongly regiment society and the economy but they are not right-wing
Chinese are more right wing than Americans [sciencenordic.com]
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Who would have thought that a fascist state that harvests convicts for organs instead of having a robust appeals system would ever act dishonestly?
I'm stunned.
You calling China Fascist is about as dumb as Ben Shapiro calling Andrew Neil a 'leftist' out to make a buck at Shapiro's expense on the BBC.
An autocratic government working in concert with business is the classic definition of fascism.
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Wipe your chin, Ivan.
Re:Wow! Nazi's you can't trust?! (Score:4, Interesting)
The Chinese regime is bad, but it is not accurate to call it "fascist". All fascist regimes are bad regimes, but not all bad regimes are fascist. Technically, China is best described as a "Post-Totalitarian Authoritarian State".
The key elements of fascism are romanticism, xenophobia, scapegoating and paranoia. Followers of the fascist state are encouraged to see themselves as heroic victims, fighting against enemies who are weak and inferior yet paradoxically threatening. It doesn't make sense -- by the logic of the head. It is dangerously appealing to the heart.
Re:Wow! Nazi's you can't trust?! (Score:4, Informative)
I just wanted to thank you for correctly using the phrase "Who would have thought..." rather than, "Who would of thought..." Hopefully others will catch on.
Onshoring (Score:2)
If we're really lucky some compliance and security standards / audits will auto-fail line items for having certain jobs and duties outsourced or overseas.
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Why would that happen? Offshoring is great for short-term results, and the negative consequences will come much later after the managers responsible move on to a different position. All the incentives line up exactly the wrong way for the problem to ever be solved by itself.
Standards and regulations won't fix it either. Companies will create contracts stipulating that the outsourcing companies must comply with all applicable laws, the outsourcers will lie their asses off and say "sure we can do that", and t
Companies are to blame (Score:2)
Recorded You - HP12345 (Score:3)
Hello, I know your password is HP12345
You got infected with my malware, RAT (Remote Administration Tool), while browsing the web where my iframe was placed.
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How many of these are in the employees' inboxes now?
Is this the same HPE... (Score:4, Interesting)
... that major companies insist we spend tens of thousands of dollars to license Fortify from, to prevent this kind of thing?
Were hacked (Score:2)
Try "are still being hacked"
Coporate America is Stupid (Score:2, Insightful)
Don't host your business in the cloud. it's not a matter if you get hacked, it's a matter of when.
The IP stack, both IPv4 and IPv6 is full of security holes. Once in there are many flaws besides Spectre and Meltdown to exploit.
OR: HPE infects and defrauds customers (Score:1)
These consulting companies charge *vast piles of cash* to protect against this very risk.
Then fucked it up.
Then actively concealed it from those very customers.
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This is the truth of it.
HP decided they wanted to go into the Chinese market, and they partnered with the Chinese government to do so.
To play "gee whiz we didn't know" at this point is completely dishonest.
Boycott both China and the companies that support them.
Spies spy. Not news. (Score:1)
I spy you spy we all spy, while eating ice-cream. I'm sure the CIA etc. is all up in China's stuff.
The Cloud Sharing Data with Your Enemy (Score:2)
Good luck ever being very secure in "The Cloud". It's designed to make remote entry easy, and since you don't have any control over your data over there, it's always a huge target that you'll never know was hit.
US Government can't force HPE to notify customers? (Score:5, Insightful)
From the article ...
The secrecy was not unique to HPE. Even when the government alerted technology service providers, the companies would not always pass on warnings to clients, Jeanette Manfra, a senior cybersecurity official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, told Reuters.
“We asked them to notify their customers,” Manfra said. “We can’t force their hand.”
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WTF? Where is Congress? Two possible solutions:
1. If HPE is provided evidence by DHS they've been hacked then HPE should be required by law to pass that information along to its customers
2. DHS makes an announcement that HPE has been hacked.
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