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USB Type-C Headphones Were Nowhere in Sight at CES 2019 (androidauthority.com) 197

In a sea of 3D audio products and true-wireless earbuds, USB Type-C headphones were nowhere in sight at CES 2019. From a report: This absence isn't an accident, however. Rather, it's the deafening silence of an abandoned product category. While many looked to USB-C audio as the successor to the famed physical port, the available models aren't catching on, and they don't seem to be going anywhere. Their absence at CES 2019 doesn't paint a rosy picture of their future, either.

In general, it takes new standards quite a while to catch on, however, USB-C was thrust into the limelight far before its time. When Apple and Google ditched their headphone jacks, it limited the pool of audio peripherals to Bluetooth, or the very young USB-C category. Perhaps with a little more time and backing from a few more serious partners this could have matured alongside its older brother the TRRS plug, but it just wasn't to be. [...] One of the biggest issues that companies need to navigate pertains to source and peripheral device compatibility. USB Type-C headphone cables can either be active or passive -- or manifest as a dongle adapter. This inconsistency, paired with the fact that Audio Accessory Mode has yet to be universally supported, results in a barrage of compatibility issues. Hence why many users are unable to operate playback controls or use a headset's integrated microphone.

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USB Type-C Headphones Were Nowhere in Sight at CES 2019

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  • by olsmeister ( 1488789 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:22AM (#57958586)
    that I still use a 1/8" headphone jack.
    • Pride? (Score:5, Funny)

      by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:35AM (#57958670)

      I take it as a point of pride that I still use a 1/8" headphone jack.

      If that gives you a sense of pride I think you might want to set the bar a little higher on your life goals.

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    • "that I still use a 1/8" headphone jack."

      For your phone or your portable wax-roll player?

      • "that I still use a 1/8" headphone jack."

        For your phone or your portable wax-roll player?

        Nope, I have to use a high-impedance piezo earphones for that, and they connect with screw posts on my Eddison. You kiddos with your 3.5 mm headphone jacks, Bluetooth, and all.

    • You mean 3.5mm right? 1/4 inch, 3.5mm stereo, those are the two standards, but I take your point, and i'm happy to use my 3.5mm jack headphones every day. Works for me!

      • There's also 2.5mm - not that anybody much uses it, for pretty much the same reason nobody wants USB-C audio: it's not compatible with the vast world of 3.5mm audio equipment without annoying, easily-lost adapters. At least the far older 1/4" standard is forward-compatible with 3.5mm using nothing more than an in-jack adapter that only protrudes far enough to be able to pull it out when needed.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:24AM (#57958598)

    Those of us who prefer the advantages of wired headphones over the advantages of Bluetooth ones see no advantages at all in USB-C.

    • Those of us who prefer the advantages of wired headphones over the advantages of Bluetooth ones see no advantages at all in USB-C.

      Speak for yourself there bud. I'm not saying USB-C headphones are clearly better in every respect (they aren't) but there definitely ARE advantages to not needing multiple types of connectors. Personally I like having the I/O ports be universal and not have to worry about having the type of connector for a given device. Standardizing on USB-C definitely has advantages in that regard.

      • Except that up until USB-C, the world had standardize (more or less) on "one port = one protocol".

        USB-C breaks that, so just because the port fits, it doesn't mean the device and cable can actually communicate with each other. This is like when SCSI and printers used the same 25-pin port, but 100x worse.

        USB-C puts the responsibility of compatibility on the user instead of the manufacturer where it rightfully belongs.

      • Personally I like having the I/O ports be universal

        You mean how USB3.1-B+ ports were "universal" but pins 9/10 could carry 3-40V? So sure the cord and port matched but you had to check the supply? Or you mean how for Rasp.Pi / Fast Charging you couldn't tell from the plug and had to look at the supply to know if it was 1amp or 2.5? Or how every iPhone had one of two omni-connenctors and your needed adapters (which fail over time) to get video out? To say nothing of the chain of adapters to get video of

    • Except charging at the same time as having wired audio fidelity?

  • shouting (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tcc3 ( 958644 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:25AM (#57958602)

    3.5mm FOREVER
    3.5mm FOREVER
    3.5mm FOREVER

  • Well duh. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by fishscene ( 3662081 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:32AM (#57958650)
    Nobody wants USB-C headphones. We want universal headphones that work not just with cell phones and computers, but professional audio equipment, older audio equipment... and we want it to be near or at 100% compatibility for future audio products. Any digital interface is, by design, going to fail to meet the needs of the ones who purchase it. I for one am glad it was nowhere to be seen.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      That's what USB-C is [androidauthority.net].

      • by gl4ss ( 559668 )

        no it isn't.

        analog audio out isn't in the spec as such. some devices have it through the port.

        analog audio port like 3.5mm works just fine and works everytime and doesn't need a dongle to carry around or separate charger.

        it's quite baffling how they didn't just make it digital and use the existing usb spec for the audio out.. I mean, it works on (many) microusb phones that do support otg usb. it's an atrocious spec. a new port reversible port spec would have been fine. preferably one that would have worked

    • Nobody wants USB-C headphones.

      Disagree. I want a common connector for every device possible, not just headphones. There is no way to accomplish that with a 3.5mm jack but it can be done with USB-C.

      We want universal headphones that work not just with cell phones and computers, but professional audio equipment, older audio equipment...

      USB-C does not prevent that. There is no reason USB-C headphones cannot be the universal interface you desire. Bear in mind that 3.5mm jacks aren't universal either and they are FAR more limited in capa

      • USB-C does not prevent that. There is no reason USB-C headphones cannot be the universal interface you desire. Bear in mind that 3.5mm jacks aren't universal either and they are FAR more limited in capabilities. And you can adapt back to 3.5mm jacks if you are so inclined.

        the USB standard has already failed here. The fact is that there are already USB-C headphones that work on some devices and not on others. There are USB-C dongles that work for some phones and not others.

        this isn't because they're not following the standard (at least that's not the only reason) - it's because the standard setters didn't start with the goal 'Every USB C Headphone will handle audio reliably in every device that outputs audio'

        • USB-C does not prevent that. There is no reason USB-C headphones cannot be the universal interface you desire. Bear in mind that 3.5mm jacks aren't universal either and they are FAR more limited in capabilities. And you can adapt back to 3.5mm jacks if you are so inclined.

          the USB standard has already failed here. The fact is that there are already USB-C headphones that work on some devices and not on others.
          There are USB-C dongles that work for some phones and not others.

          this isn't because they're not following the standard (at least that's not the only reason) - it's because the standard setters didn't start with the goal 'Every USB C Headphone will handle audio reliably in every device that outputs audio'

          Actually the standard says that. The problem is the standard is stupid. It says any USB audio device, must be able to handle both digital and analog signals, but that makes the analog mode pointless and would require active adapters in the simple dongles. That is stupid so manufacturers are not doing it. And consumers aren't looking for the USB-certified stamp of approval anyway, most USB-C cables and devices in fact have no such certification.

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        We want universal headphones that work not just with cell phones and computers, but professional audio equipment, older audio equipment...

        USB-C does not prevent that. There is no reason USB-C headphones cannot be the universal interface you desire.

        Actually, USB-C does prevent that. Inherently.

        Every time you convert sound from the analog domain to the digital domain and vice versa, you add latency. If your professional audio hardware has an analog output and you add an ADC to then retransmit the data to a USB-based pair of headphones, you're almost guaranteed to be adding enough latency to significantly affect usability for recording purposes, where single-digit milliseconds matter.

        And if your professional audio hardware somehow manages to operate i

    • Nobody wants USB-C headphones. We want universal headphones that work not just with cell phones and computers, but professional audio equipment, older audio equipment...

      Not to be argumentative but that's a limited set of people. I, for one, don't have any professional audio gear and rarely use my traditional stereo amplifier. When I do and want to use headphones, I've a fine set for that setup. Except I hate the cord, it's always getting in the way.

      Other people, naturally, will have different preferences. It would be a boring world if we were all the same.

      I expect there's a large group of people who just want something which works and sounds pretty good. Audio fidelity is

      • The issue really is that Bluetooth can't catch up because you the same basic incompatibility issues caused by proprietary garbage.

        Everyone's fallback codec is SBC, which sounds terrible. Various companies have come up with higher fidelity schemes, but they then try to license it to people for $$$ and some companies (especially those with competing "standards") then refuse, so you end up with what we have today - headphones that support AptX, but phones that do not; phones that support AAC but headphones th

    • But you can always just dongle the dongle dongle and then enjoy all the dongling. It's called progress.

  • best path (Score:4, Interesting)

    by fluffernutter ( 1411889 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:40AM (#57958698)
    I have a hard enough time finding a set of regular wired headphones that I like. I'm not putting myself through that pail for something that works on 2% of my devices (conservative estimate). Anyone who removes the headphone port is an idiot. It seems that audio quality is getting the back seat these days; at one time we had portable music devices. Now that went away because everyone started to use their phones and the phones are forcing us to go to bluetooth so there goes the best path for audio.
  • No jack, no sale (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jody Bruchon ( 3404363 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @10:57AM (#57958798)
    I refuse to buy a phone without a 3.5mm jack and SD card slot. Removing either of those is extremely user-hostile and based solely in corporate greed. The argument about people wanting thinner phones is total bullshit. No one really cares if their phone is 0.2mm thinner. People want longer battery life, ease of use, and a phone that doesn't bend to the curve of their hipster asses in their back pockets. People do NOT want to carry overpriced USB Type-C dongles with third party manufacturer lock-out [slashdot.org] (and potential future DRM lockdown inconveniences a la HDCP) everywhere, nor do they want to carry a different set of headphones for phone and non-phone use. I also seriously doubt that Sennheiser is going to produce USB Type-C professional headphones anytime soon.

    Plus, it'll be really hard to use my TRRS-plugged card reader for my credit card processor if I don't have such a jack on my phone.
    • As a gym user I prefer not to have messy cable bouncing around when I'm working out.
      • Solution: don't use the gym -- gyms stink (literally!) anyway.
      • As a gym user I prefer not to have messy cable bouncing around when I'm working out.

        That would be an issue if you had a phone/MP3 player with a headphone jack but no Bluetooth. AFAIK no such device exists. Everything comes with Bluetooth nowadays.

        That's the real issue here. Having both a headphone jack and Bluetooth gives the user the full range of options to use the device as they wish. Removing the headphone jack or Bluetooth artificially and needlessly limits how you can use the device.

        USB-C i

        • I agree with you, I'm just grinning at the phone that needs to be upright when carried in a pocket. If I rotate my phone 180 deg., the charging port moves to the TOP and the physical buttons are all LEFT HANDED! (Also, the audio jack moves to the bottom.)
          ;)
    • by Octorian ( 14086 )

      Its a shame that "large internal storage" and "SD card slot" are often mutually exclusive.

      • Realistically, it's a phone -- why does it need "large internal storage"? 32GB is enough for an OS and apps even when running Windows -- not sure how you'd come close to filling it with current Android releases and apps.
        • by Octorian ( 14086 )

          Mostly in the case that you actually want local storage of media, because "the cloud" isn't necessarily a performant and always available option for everything in every use case.

          • Obviously. But "local storage of media" is where the micro-SD slot comes in. 256GB microSD cards are under $50 these days.

            I'd rather have a 32GB + SD phone that I use cloudfree than a 256GB phone that's more cloud-dependent for data transfer (cough ... Apple ... cough). At least with the phone with SD, I can remove the card and stick it in a laptop or whatever to offload data.

        • Because some of us travel, and would like to put 16+ hours of movies and tv shows on our phones so that we can watch them while travelling and that won't fit on a 32GB phone.

          Airplane's WIFI is terrible (and expensive). Cellular again isn't an option at all on airplanes and really expensive if you are on a layover for a few hours.

        • 8GB is enough for the OS and Apps on Android, 32GB is considered big for android devices, I am not sure what OS you are running. Anything past that is storage for images, games, etc.

    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      DRM is exactly what this about. That headphone jack will let you copy music! The horror!

    • by amorsen ( 7485 )

      You can only get an SD card slot if you pay the Microsoft tax.

    • Me to Apple, "What's up with the jack, Jack?"
    • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

      I refuse to buy a phone without a 3.5mm jack and SD card slot

      I don't think there's ever been a phone with both 3.5mm jack AND SD card slot. Probably could find an old landline phone that supports patching in 3.5mm, but it wouldn't have an SD card

    • The argument about people wanting thinner phones is total bullshit.

      Apple's thinnest phone had a 3.5mm jack. The first jack to drop the 3.5mm jack was 0.2mm thicker.

  • by Frederic54 ( 3788 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @11:23AM (#57958970) Journal

    There is also too few bluetooth headphones that supports HD codecs like aptx-hd (qualcomm) or ldac (sony) or aac (apple).

    What I'd like is a simple BT receiver that handle HD codec, and on this gizmo, have a 3.5mm jack so I can plug high end headphone on it, while still being wireless with my phone (that support HD bluetooth).

    • What I'd like is a simple BT receiver that handle HD codec

      A dongle on the other end of the connection sounds like the worst of all worlds.

  • "When Apple and Google ditched their headphone jacks, it limited the pool of audio peripherals to Bluetooth, or the very young USB-C category."

    You skipped USB 2.0 and earlier here which offer more than enough speed for headphones and have been the interface for all quality headphones for quite awhile..

  • Playback controls? Microphone? WTF do either of those things have to do with headphones? Dipshits...

  • When I'm moving around I prefer the convenience of Bluetooth, and when I want quality I prefer a decent DAC+amp and nice headphones with a quarter inch jack.

    From an engineering point of view digital earbuds/headphones could be great; the analog signal path could be a lot shorter and better shielded, while amplifiers could come tuned to the characteristics of the cans for ideal frequency response.

    But from a practical point of view, a lot of decent cans would be ruined by crappy noisy DACs and quality cans wo

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      When I'm moving around I prefer the convenience of Bluetooth, and when I want quality I prefer a decent DAC+amp and nice headphones with a quarter inch jack.

      I don't. There's a reason that headphones with quarter-inch plugs are essentially no longer made. It turns out that it is better to put an 1/8" plug in the headphones and use an adapter. That way, when (not if) you forget that they are on your head and rip them out of the gear, you lose a $1.50 adapter instead of the input jack on your equipment. :-)

  • This is what happens when you have a solution looking for a problem and trying to fix a problem that doesn't need to be fixed.
    • This is what happens when you have a solution looking for a problem and trying to fix a problem that doesn't need to be fixed.

      Oh, there was a problem to solve alright. That problem was revenue not being obscene enough.

      So you remove things like user-replaceable batteries and standardized headphone jacks in favor of sealed designs and proprietary connectors that require more purchases and faster replacements.

      In other words, this problem was solved long ago.

  • by citylivin ( 1250770 ) on Monday January 14, 2019 @02:28PM (#57960384)

    I have started using usb-c for video and i can say that the aftermarket cable market is abysmal. You can buy a 30-40 dongle (usbc to hdmi for instance) that is garbage, or a $10 one that is amazing. There is zero correlation between quality and price. Just look at the reviews of apple usbc adaptors, most are garbage (with a high price tag). While ugreen, a no name chinese company is performing very well.

    You have the newer apple laptops having multiple usb-c ports but one port is full power (next to the power plug), and another one is not, making things like powerpoint clickers have reduced range if plugged into a different port. How bullshit is that! They shouldn't be able to pick and choose what this or that port will support, can we have some standardization please? Was never a problem with usb 2 and usb 3....

    Its a shitshow! There are no standards. I basically have to buy 3-4 adaptors and then just see which one lasts the longest or even works right. I had 3 different usb-c to vga adaptors before i found one that worked reliability without blanking the screen every hour or inducing some weird colours.

    USB-C having used it for the last year, is NOT ready. there are major reliability and compatibility problems. Best bet is to read the amazon reviews before you purchase. I haven't dont anything with usb-c audio but i bet its a similar nightmare.

    • There is a standard. You have to look for the official USB logo on the periphirals. If it is not there, it is not a real certified USB cable or device.

      That said. I had loads of trouble finding just official USB-C cables, when I lost on a holiday. The electronic stores are basically selling only non-standard "USB-C compatible" crap that isn't certified.

  • All part of the long-standing program to eliminate the 'analog hole' ... which started at about the time boomboxes stopped having audio-out jacks.

    They can't win ... there are no digital speaker-cones ... but that doesn't keep them from trying ... and pissing off more and more consumers ... who, nevertheless, keep buying products that make hole-plugging easier.

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