Hackers Came, But the French Were Prepared (nytimes.com) 286
Adam Nossiter, David E. Sanger, and Nicole Perlroth, reporting for the New York Times: Everyone saw the hackers coming. The National Security Agency in Washington picked up the signs. So did Emmanuel Macron's bare-bones technology team. And mindful of what happened in the American presidential campaign, the team created dozens of false email accounts, complete with phony documents, to confuse the attackers (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). The Russians, for their part, were rushed and a bit sloppy, leaving a trail of evidence that was not enough to prove for certain they were working for the government of President Vladimir V. Putin but which strongly suggested they were part of his broader "information warfare" campaign. The story told by American officials, cyberexperts and Mr. Macron's own campaign aides of how a hacking attack intended to disrupt the most consequential election in France in decades ended up a dud was a useful reminder that as effective as cyberattacks can be in disabling Iranian nuclear plants, or Ukrainian power grids, they are no silver bullet. The kind of information warfare favored by Russia can be defeated by early warning and rapid exposure.
Nice France (Score:3, Insightful)
It's great that between two traditional corrupted shits (not to mention Lepen), the French elected a "3rd party" centrist president.
That's what we need in the US but failed to accomplish when having to choose between Clinton and Trump. I guess the alternative parties were pretty crappy, though. That's where we need to work, building a centrist party especially since the democrats have vacated this position in favor of identity politics.
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This is possible in France due to the primary and runoff elections.
The US system with exactly one election means there are only going to be two candidates, always, no matter what. The only way your new centrist party could win is if either the Democrats or Republicans actually dropped out of the race.
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Re: And guess which OS a lot of European governmen (Score:2)
Oh really. (Score:2)
Selective hacks require dumb populace to influence (Score:4, Insightful)
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Just a heads up, France has a shit ton of debt.
less incompetent than Hillary's team (Score:2)
What this tell us is that Macron's cybersecurity team was less incompetent than Hillary's. Good for the French to have elected someone who understands technology a bit better than Hillary. Other than that, I don't see what relevance this has to the US election or Hillary's poor performance.
Preparation? For thought? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Preparation? For thought? (Score:5, Funny)
Are you mad because for the first time in history, France has a president that is better at English grammar than the US president?
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Ok ...
That was funny.
Probably pointy.
Probably even accurate.
And I guess his accent is more pleasant, too!
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Bush II wasn't exactly a master either.
I'm American (Score:2)
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This was probably also true during the Andrew Jackson days.
How to cover your tracks (Score:2)
From TFA:
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The Vault 7 releases make it clear that US intelligence uses tools to plant signatures of other parties, including Russian intelligence. You don't need those releases though, because misdirection is so basic that it's the bulk of a magician's act.
Russia does a lot of hacking, both state sponsored and otherwise. China does a lot of hacking, too. If you are going to try and hide your identity, hiding it as Russian or Chinese makes it more likely to blend in with the countless attempts anything facing the
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The only presente "evidence" is a Russian username (Score:2, Informative)
If you wonder why this attack was linked to Russia, here's what the article says (caps mine):
"Other documents had last been modified by Russian usernames, including one person that researchers identified as a 32-year-old employee of Eureka CJSC, based in Moscow, a Russian technology company"
That is, the whole accusation is based on the fact that an attacker used the same username ("IvanPetrov"?) as someone working for a Russian goverment contractor. Of course, the username itself is not released. Slashdot
Local influence (Score:2)
wait a minute (Score:2)
Making excuses for King Emmanuel I of Rothschild? (Score:2)
The establishment wasn't prepared, they're just making more hay to feed their precious narrative.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure you can.
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Since Russia is run by a wannabe dictator, I am pretty sure they will continue to engage in blame-worthy behavior until he dies or gets replaced. And the next may be just as bad.
Russia tampers with our politics, and China goes for our technology and industry. With our technology being worth way more than our politicians, I'm worried that China is playing the smarter game.
But neither one of them is going to stop, and pretending otherwise is great way to surrender our self-determination to foreigners.
Re:"Phony Documents" (Score:4, Insightful)
So you think that a court would consider documents of such dubious heritage at all?
The lengths the Trump army are going to try to deny that Russia wants to fuck with the Western Alliance is stunning. And for what? It's not like Congress is likely to impeach him and remove him any time soon, although if he keeps pulling stunts like Comey, he may hasten his own end.
At any rate, the French and US elections are not the only elections the Russians have been implicated in trying to bugger up, and do you blame them? NATO so thoroughly outstraps them militarily and economically (for chrissake, Italy has a larger GDP than Russia) that cyberwarfare is the one area where they have a relatively level playing field, so of course they're going to use it.
The big problem was the Macron dump seems to have been ludicrously rushed. You have alleged emails claiming plans for the Islamification of France. I mean, seriously, do you think the Macron campaign was actually making that kind of plan? Or maybe you do, the gullibility of the Alt-Right never ceases to astound me.
At any rate, Le Pen lost, and lost massively.
Re:"Phony Documents" (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem with hacking is that a lot of companies have the "security has no ROI" attitude. Last year, when I interviewed at one place (and definitely didn't take the offer), the CxO gave me the song and dance about "only person that profits from a lock is the lock maker", and when I asked what they would do in case of a breach, the response was, "we will call Accenture and let their world class professionals fix it."
With an attitude like that, it is surprising breaches don't happen more often in the private sector. The problem is that until there is an actual reason, and something that makes top brass actually value security, it won't happen. The -only- thing that has worked is PCI-DSS, because ignoring that hits businesses squarely in the pocketbook.
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With an attitude like that, it is surprising breaches don't happen more often in the private sector.
There are a couple issues I have with this statement, not because of anything you said, but what is left unsaid. First .. breaches occur so often that most of them aren't even worth reporting. It is like reporting on the number of bugs I killed driving past the flower fields. Meh, nobody cares.
Second issue is even more frightening, the number of breaches still won't outweigh the actual costs of those breaches. The prevention of a possibility cost more than the probability * cost of a breach, which makes sec
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Macron is a good man and hacks revealing what he was doing had no impact on his standing. Hillary hacked emails had nothing surprising in them except they confirmed our intuitive perception of her as a person and a politician was correct.
Macron wants to serve. Hillary wanted to rule.
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People think they're real. I've seen them reposted a number of times by family members I love too much to unfollow, but otherwise worry me with their beliefs.
Pushing the Russia scapegoat narrative too much? (Score:2)
So you think that a court would consider documents of such dubious heritage at all?
What are the political leanings of the judges, and how easily can they be bribed/intimidated by the establishment?
The lengths the Trump army are going to try to deny that Russia wants to fuck with the Western Alliance is stunning.
The only thing you and yours have is a narrative of Russia this, Russia that, and Russia killed your puppy.
At any rate, the French and US elections are not the only elections the Russians have been implicated in trying to bugger up
Allegations coming from the establishment left. They would rather see countries like France burn as long as they can keep empty suits in office.
If anyone's messed with the elections, it's the establishment scared shitless that they'd have an actual leader.
You have alleged emails claiming plans for the Islamification of France
Look for yourself in France. At t
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Why should they be any different?
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Since America and France have never interfered in the internal affairs of other countries, it is outrageous that they are interfering in ours.
Re:You have to be a real 'tard to deny the Russian (Score:4, Insightful)
Since America and France have never interfered in the internal affairs of other countries, it is outrageous that they are interfering in ours.
Congratulations!!! You have won the whataboutism [wikipedia.org] prize! You can now buy stuff made by slave kids, since the USA had slavery!
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I don't think you have caught the nuances of whataboutism. Let me help you out - if the things are comparable, then its not whataboutism. Thinking your country is special doesn't absolve it.
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I don't think you have caught the nuances of whataboutism. Let me help you out - if the things are comparable, then its not whataboutism.
What was the point of the ShanghaiBill's comment? Right now the only thing I see is an attempt to deflect the conversation form what Russia did.
Thinking your country is special doesn't absolve it.
Latvia is hardly special. Any feature we have is had by our neighbours, which would be Lithuania, Estonia, Russia and Belarus. I'm just sick and tired of the propaganda of the imperial Russia (before that imperial USSR, and before then again imperial Russia).
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I took you as an American so apologies for that. Latvians have more reason to concern themselves about Russia than most, I guess.
I think the point is just general irony when imperialists get all huffy at an imperialist doing imperialist things - I don't see that as whataboutery, especially since the original comment didn't really add anything either. Some of us are just as sick of our own countries shit as anyone else's (although I can't actually speak for ShanghaiBill).
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You also have to be a "real 'tard" to deny that the French, Americans, Germans and Chinese are "a bunch of hacking thieves", because they all hack and they all use the information they can get their hands on to their own advantage.
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I'm sorry but you missed the point. I'm saying that espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information on foreign governments are completely normal and acceptable.
They don't suddenly become unacceptable because Hillary couldn't emotionally deal with her election defeat and created the "Russia cost me the election" meme.
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I'm saying that espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information on foreign governments are completely normal and acceptable.
Depends on your moral compass. For example, Kant considered lying a grave breach of ethical behaviour. Just look at the Nazi propaganda against Jews which gave justification to the crimes against humanity. As for “espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information”, all three of those are umbrella terms that range from “ethically dubious” to “outright criminal”. What I mean is that your assertions are not valid until you clarify what you mean exactly.
Also, these
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You're confusing ethics with politics.
So publishing the truth about Hillary now is the same as advocating genocide?
No, they are well-d
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So publishing the truth about Hillary now is the same as advocating genocide?
Repeating “crooked Hillary” ad nauseam is not publishing truth. Nether is wildly inaccurate interpretation of facts. That uranium scandal is a pretty good illustration of misinterpretation.
As for “espionage, propaganda, and publishing derogatory information”, propaganda is usually understood as misleading information (some would say, that is a form of lying). I sure hope you read the “active measures” page to get some insights of what espionage entails, which does contain
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You have to be a real 'tard to think it matters.
Hillary didn't lose because Russia. The Russians didn't make Hillary take the rust belt for granted. Hillary wasn't operating an illegal mail system to hide her actively from the Russians. The Russians didn't make Hillary's staff destroy government documents during an investigation. The Russians didn't make Hillary sick. The Russians had nothing to do with wrapping the US around the transgender bathroom axle for a year. The Russians didn't coin "irrede
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As a chronic cancer patient, the liberal agenda is the LAST thing I want. The last thing I want is the private market turned into something like Medicaid, Medicare, or the VA.
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> Why then do so many guys get so upset when I need to take a piss and head into the men's room?
You can't pass? If you can't go into the ladies room without inspiring a lot of screaming, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your life choices.
The fact that you don't give a f*ck if you frighten old ladies is not really anything redeeming.
Re:You have to be a real 'tard to deny the Russian (Score:4, Insightful)
There's been an increase of purvey men in womens restrooms you say? Let's see some data on that because I'm willing to bet you just pulled that out of your backside
Re:You have to be a real 'tard to deny the Russian (Score:5, Insightful)
The "conspiracy theorist" label is usually applied to people who have no evidence for their beliefs.
In this case, the cyber defense arm of the US government warned the French of Russian attacks based on the information they had.
You are a moron who is slinging around insults without regard for the truth. Regardless of where you live, you are part of the reason your city, state, and country have problems.
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It's still a conspiracy theory. It is so not because it didn't happen but because it's moot. Voters already have a pretty good idea of which way they lean well before an election. While I can't be quite so sure of this for France, I can certainly be sure of it in the US where the parties in question had a long established history.
Having everyone's opinions on display also doesn't hurt.
Losers need this hacking narrative to explain their failures. Not that it's ultimately productive.
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You would be right, If we lived in a democracy. Which we dont. We live in a Democratic Republic.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
Come on even the Washington Post knows this. And they are literally the worst site to get information from. They do however back track a year later to align with their agenda. but heres some others.
http://www.realdemocracy.com/d... [realdemocracy.com]
http://www.thisnation.com/ques... [thisnation.com]
I hope this is enough to inform you.
Re: You have to be a real 'tard to deny the Russia (Score:2)
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I wish someone living in Antarctica were on this thread...
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You are a moron who is slinging around insults without regard for the truth.
Presumably you are aware of the irony of that exact statement?
Re:You have to be a real 'tard to deny the Russian (Score:4, Interesting)
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Oh, we've got much harder far-right wingers trying to get into Parliament.
And now I've just made myself sad :-(
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As ~20% of the seats in the Danish Parliament held by the far-right group 'Dansk Folkeparti', I would hardly say your part of the world is without issues.
to be fair, compared to the US right wing, those Dansk Folkeparti are not really "far right"
If you ignore the evidence it can't hurt you. (Score:5, Informative)
So, what is that evidence?
Motivation; ability; ...
That something being the name of an employee of Evrika, a known Kremlin defense contractor.
Now while it's undeniably a possibility that the metadata was planted as part of a 'false-flag' operation, that theory itself lacks both corroborating evidence and plausible motivation (though other actors certainly have the means). Even at the risk of being wrong, reason requires we apply Occam's razor.
Yes, and then there's the public testimony from US intelligence services:
Testifying in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee in Washington on Tuesday, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency, said American intelligence agencies had seen the attack unfolding, telling their French counterparts, “Look, we’re watching the Russians. --TFA
Look I know what you mean, it's just so damn annoying that the CIA, NSA, DGSE etc, don't run all their classified material past my desk. Don't the know who the HELL I AM?! ... scarily they probably do. :/
Seriously though ... while we're not, and are never likely to be, at the beyond reasonable doubt standard, on the balance of probabilities the publicly available evidence points towards Russian involvement. And that is hardly surprising: the Kremlin explicitly favoured Le Pen and we cannot but expect Russia to deploy its capability in favour of Russian national interest.
You can bank on the fact that in any election anywhere in the world where the Kremlin feels it has an interest in the outcome, Russian aligned hackers and (so called) troll-armies (i.e. social media influencers) will be at work in an attempt to influence the outcome (however marginal that influence may be).
Re:Tard or Traitor? Both. (Score:4, Insightful)
Wow, straight of the playbook of 20th century European fascists.
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its ok, they never think about population.. i guarantee our pool of intelligent people outnumber any one European countrys population. goes to show they cant actually be smarter as they cant even do simple math.
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This a tech site (or it used to be). What was the f**king hack? Eh? Getting Podesta's email account? You're kidding right. This counts as a hack to you?
And, by the way, it seems more likely that wikileaks was the result of an actual leak as opposed to a dum dum duuuum "a hack".
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Getting Podesta's email account? You're kidding right. This counts as a hack to you?
It was a bit of social engineering, which is one of the primary methods used by hackers, but I wouldn't call it a hack, per se. But it's seen as a hack by the unwashed masses, and sounds much better to partisans than "Podesta is an idiot."
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Well, the generation of high quality site mimics to which to direct phishing logins *sorta* gets there...
Re:Tard or Traitor? Both. (Score:4, Informative)
The truth is a little more subtle. Podesta asked his his aids about the phishing email [theverge.com], who told him that it was legit.
I don't believe the claim from the "tech advisor" that in his reply, "illegitimate" was the intended wording, because of the use of "a" instead of "an" and the other text in the reply.
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Social engineering? That's the job of the political parties.
If they are being outdone by 3rd party spoilers, then they need to close up shop and go home.
Who needs "social engineering" when deplorables have hated Hillary for decades? This is the real problem that remains completely unacknowledged by liberals.
Now you're just trying to "out idiot" each other. It's embarrassing.
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Obviously, you don't know much about what fascists actually do to political opponents.
Oh, please, you are exactly on message for leftists, progressives, and European intellectuals. And I don't take "offense" at it, I just point out what a bunch of lunatics you are.
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Obviously, you don't know much about what fascists actually do to political opponents.
Whatever works.
But for the record, I agree that characterising Trump as the second coming of Mussolini is just showing ignorance of the many ways that democracy has been hacked over the years. He is probably closer to the second coming of Berlusconi.
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Probably not. Mussolini was the darling of the US intellectual and progressive elite in the 1930's. It was only with the war with Germany and the genocide that fascism nominally (though not ideologically) fell out of favor with US elites. These days, Sanders and Clinton are a lot closer to Mussolini than Trump.
Doesn't sound like Trump to me: [wikipedia.org] Forza Italia was a centr
Re:Tard or Traitor? Both. (Score:5, Interesting)
What I mean by that is that Berlusconi was a rich man whose political beliefs didn't fit perfectly into a major party (and won because of disaffection with mainstream politics) and ran the country to indulge and enrich himself.
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Re:Oddly self-ingratiating article (Score:5, Insightful)
What does it say that the IT team had enough resources to generate honeypots but couldn't actually... SECURE the emails and just assumed they were going to get hacked anyway?
I guess it shows competence. Lately the question is not “if you get hacked?”, but “what do you do when hacked?”. The risk of any compromising leak is that it could contain fabrications that seem kind of legit. This problem is exacerbated when the leak happens just days before the election, since that is enough time to find dirt and write sensational articles, but not enough time to verify the truthfulness.
The security team correctly identified the threats and used effective countermeasures.
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The emails were released at a time when it was illegal for the french press to publicize them so, inarguably, the leaks could do very little damage.
You got it slightly wrong. It was at a time when the candidates were forbidden to talk to the press, and when no new polls were to be published, because the political campaigning had to be ceased.
It's still totally legal to publish news even about the campaigners at the time. So it was an ideal time as neither candidate would have been able to publish a press release about the contains of the e-mails.
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"White supremacist"? That's pretty funny considering the democrat party had nothing to offer this election cycle but old white people. But how is anything GP said relate to that accusation? You're just pigeonholing now. Besides, I seem to recall Obama mocking Romney over his concern of the Russians and all the democrats laughed and laughed, oh what a good chuckle they had over that. Turns out Romney had a point, but now the Dems have taken the ball and run right out of the stadium with it.
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"White supremacist"? ... I seem to recall Obama mocking Romney over his concern of the Russians and all the democrats laughed ...
As a Democrat, I didn't laugh when Obama used that line to hit Romney, I knew and told people that was wrong. But I did also recognize that it was a political white-glove-face-slap, in response to Romney's - which was accusing Obama of being soft on Russia. That wasn't true either, Obama did his best to work both with and against the US's geopolitical foe, just like every other president, including our present one (granted, I have a lot of questions about his financial interests and effectiveness).
The
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Yeah, the argument is getting old. Would you guys on the left stop the name calling?
No, I'm not racist because I didn't agree with Obama. No, I'm not a Nazi because I don't think Trump is literally Hitler. No, I'm not a misogynist because I feel that sometimes white guys get a raw deal with being blamed for everything.
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Re:propaganda (Score:5, Insightful)
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* Hillary decides to keep a ridiculously ill-advised private email server, then destroys evidence when she is ordered to turn it over (at her convenience). And there was STILL incriminating crap in there.
Ill-advised, but also common practice. Note that she wasn't prosecuted for this because they'd have to prosecute half of Washington with her.
* DKIM-validated DNC emails are released that prove that the national party was actively working to sabotage Bernie Sanders, the candidate with the clear enthusiasm advantage.
Also common practice. Nobody expected this was NOT happening on BOTH sides during EVERY election in modern times.
* Thousands of emails...
12 emails dude. There were only 12 motherfucking emails. Comey just got fired over this gross distortion of facts. Do try to keep up.
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As came out in the hearing she did commit illegal actions however she was so stupid and was not "sophisticated enough" to understand basic classification rules so they did not think they could get a conviction.
It was not common practice, who else was mailing classified information to a private email and was using one that was not authorized?
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Meanwhile they attacked Trump for being a horn dog while ignoring that Hillary's husband was impeached for the exact same thing but when a Clinton does it it's ok.
Bill wasn't running.
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And the French government now as well.
But yeah, everyone should be cognizant that it's fairly easy to pretend you're someone else while online. And the CIA tool leaks shows that they've specifically made tools to do so.
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Trump won for one single reason. He played the game like he actually understood the rules. He focused on likely swing states that Hillary ignored (and even denigrated).
The stupid Cheeto actually knew what he was doing.
Also, Clinton is as much of an amateur in a contested election as Trump is. In general the Democrats drank too much of their own Kool-aid and the ensuing arrogance prevented them from doing what really needed done.
Re:propaganda (Score:4, Insightful)
A bigger part is actually voter apathy. There's nothing worse than being the candidate in the lead - that immediately turns off a big chunk of voters who would vote for you. Simply because they think you're going to win anyways, they simply turn off and don't vote - you're going to win, what's their vote going to do?
Hell, some politicians have real grace - one who lost by a narrow margin (of around 200 votes) met with a bunch of voters after the election who told her "I thought you were going to win, that's why I didn't vote". I say grace because it takes real self-control to be told that and not smack the person in the head.
And face it, Hillary was always in the lead - no one would believe Trump would actually be president. So if Hillary's going to win, why should I bother to vote, because ooh shiny new thing! is more important. Trump had long odds that probably made everyone who would've voted democrat be complacent. And everyone's got better things to do on voting day than to actually vote.
Forcing people to get off their ass is about the only thing I support about mandatory voting. But personally, I don't believe in it, and I believe society is worse off if we're forced to vote than have the option of voting.
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Whenever I see someone making that joke, I know there is someone who doesn't think about his jokes and just repeats what he had heard from someone else.
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That article just oozes propaganda: it's the Russians, again, and everything they got was fake anyway. Trust us! We are way too smart to get hacked!
The Russia has stated its interest in swinging French elections quite overtly and there is quite enough evidence to believe that Russian state is behind these activities (from signatures of the attacks to the metadata in the leaks). It's like you are trying to invoke Godwin's law during WWII [xkcd.com]. Besides, they didn't say they were too smart to get hacked, nor that they didn't get hacked. Just that they hacked and leaked made-up material.
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It's not like the US tried to influence the previous French elections, or France tried to influence Russian elections. No, they are way too nice for that.
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I would have given you the participation prize for wataboutism, but you show a clear lack of commitment. It's as if you are not even trying. To do a proper wataboutism, you can't just say “oh yeah, well, you did it as well”. You have to give a more precise reference, like “oh yeah, what about the U.S. kidnapping of the Chilean Army Commander-in-Chief General René Schneider?”. Right now I can't find any material of French interventions.
I do hope you find this feedback useful and
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Just wanted to congratulate you on your efforts to educate the Slashdot world on whataboutism (though you should be more careful with your spelling). I hope to see you back sometime in the future when someone invokes Colin Powell in a discussion of Hillary's email server, or when someone blames Bush for an Obama policy failure.
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That article just oozes propaganda: it's the Russians, again, and everything they got was fake anyway. Trust us! We are way too smart to get hacked!
Well, I don't quite read it that way. first of all, not long agou we were all expected to believe that all attempts at hacking stuff in the US originated in China, just on the say-so of somebody more or less unspecified individual, and because it was China, people on /. were happy to take that as proof. So why not believe it about Russia? Just saying; and it doesn't seem implausible that the Russian government would be involved in this sort of thing. After all, we have good reasons to believe that the Ameri
Re:Nuclear meltdown != Incriminatory emails (Score:4, Informative)
Clinton was affected because she was a crook
More like people believed that she was a crook and just putting out e-mail leaks triggered “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”. Can you remind me what was in the leaked e-mails, that showed Hillary was a crook?
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"yo dude i need to scor bad got the shakes man u got a teenth pay u 2morra"
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2) Transmitting classified email.
3) As was mentioned in the hearing she had committed illegal active
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This troll trifecta actually warrants real attention.
I expect to have a good time. I admit it's a little unorthodox to make a giant vat of hot buttery popcorn to companion rolling up one's sleeves (chopsticks to the rescue), but ritual does have its rewards.
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Bill Clinton is forever marked by his distancing language "that woman". Opening a composition with the word "what" is definitely heading down 'that' road. The reader is still trying to resolve the anaphor, whi
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I hope at least Europeans wake up and realize that the greatest danger is not Russia, but our supposed allies over at the stupid side of the Atlantic.
We do believe that USA has become a less reliant ally, but Canada is still cool, so it's the mixed side of the Atlantic. As for the greatest danger, since the invasion of Georgia, former Soviet countries got the message pretty quickly and the invasion of Ukraine finally waked up the most naive. Besides Russia, the only other concerns we have here is potential implosion of USA and nuclear war with North Korea. Even ISIS is barely remembered.
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Come on people - get real (russkies aren't THAT stupid)... apk
They don't need to be stupid, just sloppy. Also, it seems like your understanding of covering tracks stems entirely from “I'll create GUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP”.
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LOL you must not be French to write something like this :)
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Despite the vault 7 leaks the few companies that own the US media (hello Dice you pile of schmucks) persist in pushing the narrative that Russia "hacked" the US election.
you forgot about a few more who are pushing that narrative: odni, cia, nsa, fbi, dia, and any other us intelligence agency you care to name. but, somehow you know better, and your standards of proof are higher. and the reason for believing your own narrative, and denying their narrative: it's getting old.
got any other gems of wisdom for us? ufos? bigfoot? flat earth?