Salary-Comparing Survey Identifies Top-Paid Developers, Discovers North America Pays Better (linux.com) 267
21,000 developers were surveyed for this year's annual survey by VisionMobile -- and for the first time, they were asked about their salaries. An anonymous reader quotes Linux.com:
[S]killed cloud and backend developers, as well as those who work in emerging technologies including Internet of Things, machine learning and augmented/virtual reality can make more money than frontend web and mobile developers whose skills have become more commoditized... The top 10 percent of salary earners in AR who live in North America earn a median salary of $219,000, compared with $169,000 for the top earning 10 percent of backend developers, according to the report... New, unskilled developers interested in emerging tech will have a harder time finding work, and earn less than their counterparts in more commoditized areas, due both to their lack of experience and fewer companies hiring in the early market.
Along with skill level and software sector, developer salaries also vary widely by where they live in the world. A web developer in North America earns a median income of $73,600 USD per year, compared with the same developer in Western Europe whose median income is $35,400 USD. Web developers in South Asia earn $11,700 in South Asia while those in Eastern Europe earn $20,800 per year.
For developers who want to move up in the world, VisionMobile suggests "Invest in your skills. Do difficult work. Improve your English. Look for opportunities internationally. Go for it. You deserve it!"
Along with skill level and software sector, developer salaries also vary widely by where they live in the world. A web developer in North America earns a median income of $73,600 USD per year, compared with the same developer in Western Europe whose median income is $35,400 USD. Web developers in South Asia earn $11,700 in South Asia while those in Eastern Europe earn $20,800 per year.
For developers who want to move up in the world, VisionMobile suggests "Invest in your skills. Do difficult work. Improve your English. Look for opportunities internationally. Go for it. You deserve it!"
Direct Link to Survey (Score:4, Informative)
http://go.linuxfoundation.org/l/6342/e-of-developer-nation-2017-pdf/3qp35l
(also, the form is cool with mailinator addresses if that stops working)
https://ufile.io/26f4a
Also, here's the extracted text of the Key Insights:
• Developers who work in areas with a higher technical complexity or in very young sectors - and therefore with higher barriers to entry and ultimately fewer developers doing it - generally earn more. In Western Europe, for example, the median backend developer earns 12% more than the median web developer; a machine learning developer makes 28% more. Web and mobile development are the most commoditised.
• We’re still a long way off a global market for developers. The median earnings of web developers in Western Europe are half of those of their North American counterparts; web developers in other regions earn half again. This opens up arbitrage opportunities for developers willing to work remotely.
• C# is the most popular primary programming language amongst Augmented and Virtual Reality developers, preferred by 30% of them. This is followed by C/C++ (16%) and Java (15%). Interestingly, professionals are more likely to use C# or C++ in comparison to hobbyists.
• Almost 90% of AR/VR developers would be considered juniors by other industries’ standards, having less than 2 years experience. The industry consists of many newcomers who are inexperienced in the field - they will not be deeply invested in any tools, technologies or platforms, so any vendor has the potential to establish market leadership with the right product.
• 48% of web developers are currently using a third-party library or framework other than jQuery as their primary way of doing front-end web development. Angular and React account for 30%, leaving all the others fighting for the remaining 18%. Indeed front-end web development is such a fragmented space that no other single library or framework accounts for more than 2% of primary usage.
• Facebook’s React appears to dominate Google’s Angular in online discussion and open source activity. However, not only is Angular 2.x the primary framework for about as many developers as React (10% vs 9% globally), but Angular 1.x is still the most popular overall by a slim margin (11% use it as their primary framework). In total those using one or the other version of Angular number more than double those using React.
• Amazon Web Services (AWS) is the most popular primary cloud hosting at every company size. For the smallest companies (1-5 employees) where Amazon has just a 15% share, they face very credible competition from Microsoft (12%), Google (11%), and Digital Ocean (10%). However, when we look at larger companies, Amazon’s share grows to 26-27% at every size, Microsoft stays in the 11-13% range, while Google fades along with Digital Ocean. Google has just a 5% share of companies with more than 5,000 employees, and Digital Ocean just 4% at the same size.
• AWS is also the most popular primary cloud host with developers regardless of targeted audience, although strongest with backend developers who target large enterprises, of whom 29% are primarily using AWS. Microsoft shows greater strength equally with developers who target large enterprises, and those who target small to medium businesses (14% each). They are weaker with those targeting consumers (11%) or professionals (9%). Google shows the opposite patternbeing strongest with developers who target consumers(10%) but only half as popular with those who target large enterprises or internal employees.
• Despite the proliferation of IoT platforms and other tools, the IoT tool market is still underdeveloped and heavily fragmented. IoT developers use comparatively fewer tools than their colleagues in other software sectors. 11% of IoT developers don’t use any of the tools in our list.
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Add to it the additional costs that US workers have to take in the form of high property taxes, health care insurances and a lot of other stuff then the amount left isn't much different.
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Oh, look, a karma whoring motherfucker! Get the fuck out of your parents' basement, you bottom dwelling, shit-encrusted, pink-skirted fuckstick. Absolutely nobody here likes you, and we're not afraid to admit our disdain for your sorry ass. Please forget your password and never disgrace this site with your pathetic presence again.
This AC from 1999 woke up and discovered that we still don't have flying cars. I'm disappointed too, but I don't take it out on other people.
Full stack (Score:2, Insightful)
There is no difference between "front end" and "back end" anymore. The same person does both of them, and, alas, the salary doesn't change.
Re:Full stack (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no difference between "front end" and "back end" anymore. The same person does both of them, and, alas, the salary doesn't change.
Indeed. Every place I have worked, the same people do both. You need to have a fast edit-test-debug cycle without waiting for someone else to fix the server side.
Also, whenever I have filled out a salary survey, I bump my salary up by 30%. If everyone does that, I can show the high result to boss when I ask for a raise to a "competitive" salary.
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"You need to have a fast edit-test-debug cycle without waiting for someone else to fix the server side."
Fast? Try yesterday fast. And that someone else? Nope, that's you too.
Re:Full stack (Score:5, Insightful)
In larger applications serving more users or more data, or where your client interface is not a webpage, it makes sense having people more specialized in certain areas. You may want to mitigate access by different types of users ( warehousing, analytics, real-time, transactions) to a huge relational database. You may need to design and maintain noSQL Cassandra clusters. Your customer uses your services through RPC procedures where you need to have a high-availability pipeline to consume their data and present the end-result back to them. All these use cases require zero lines of HTML, but a rather specialized skill-set. And that's where the money is.
Not a bad idea on the salary bump though
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"a fast edit-test-debug cycle"
There is testing and debugging in the cycle? who knew? I thought the industry standard was "worked once-ship it -- we'll fix it in production"
This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:3, Insightful)
North America pays better, twice to three to seven times better.
H1B, outsourcing to Europe or Asia is always undercutting and threatening. There is just so much pressure on the American software developer to always keep improving and running ahead of the endless hordes of lower cost options snipping at the heels. So much so that a lot of them look at Trump to close the doors and make the race easier.
The H1B lottery is a real lottery, especially for a developer in India. It is an immediate seven fold salary increase.
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North America pays better than in Europe. But you should check the salaries for top notch software programmers in Beijing, China. Prepare to be amazed...
Not that I would want to live there though, considering all the air pollution not to say other factors.
Re: This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:2)
Senior engineer in embedded dev - CNY 21000 net + minimal allowances. Not bad.
But before you jump to conclusions, consider this - Positions in the south are available to recent grads who can get close to CNY 10000, and 10000 after just few years. It means China does indeed have a talent crunch, and they don't make any much close to enough of good tech specialists.
This is the reason Shenzhen was already squirming with eastern Europeans and Indians 10 years ago.
Re: This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:2)
*15000 after few years
Re: This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:2)
this is the salary per month, man
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Is that good due to the cost of living is 1/4 of the US?
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I live in the midwest. So, about the same. A little more pay, a little more living cost. I don't have to learn Mandarin.
Re: This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:4, Interesting)
And that's 36000 with housing that cost a tiny fraction of what it costs around here, plus your personal slave if you're so inclined for maybe a buck or two a day.
Remember, it's not what you earn, what matters is how much is left over after you're done living. It means jack to earn 10k a month if you pay 9k for rent.
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That's actually a fairly good salary in most parts of China. You won't live like a king, but you could have quite a comfortable middle class-ish life and still be able to save some money each month.
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all this information is irrelevant.
I don't care what the salary is, I care about what my disposable income is. When rent for shitholes in San Fransisco is $3000/month then $70000/year is just not great.
Re: This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:2)
That's it. You can't state that more clearly than that +1
I lived in Western Canuckistan (Vancouver) for 5.5 years. I was lucky to land a 6.5k a month job as my first real job at the peak of "web 2.0" and social network mass hysteria.
Before starting a career, I was living for under 1k a month as a student there with no tuition, doin "codin 4 food" and appartment renovations like stuff with Bosnian guys. To my big surprise, a 6.5 fold increase in disposable income did not make me even a twofold improvement of
Re:This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:5, Insightful)
Devil's advocate:
North America pays better than Europe, but you get more services in Europe, especially as a citizen:
1: Unemployment actually means something. Here in the US, expect $800 every two weeks tops.
2: You don't have to worry about crime in big cities in Europe, and at worst, it is a pickpocket.
3: If you get sick or injured, your life's earnings are not in jeopardy. The US healthcare system is the most expensive and shoddily run of any country on the planet, bar none. In fact, if you don't have health insurance, there is a good chance that medics will just let you code.
4: The US has no transportation system to speak of compared to Europe. So, you have to pay for a car and high rates.
5: There is no education system unless you pay for a private school. In Europe, there is a strong public school system. Yes, US public education is so crummy that there is no way someone from it can compete against foreign competition unless they are insanely smart. Which brings the next point.
6: If you stand out, you will wind up smacked down hard. Talk out loud in class, it can mean prison until age 21 (age 23 in California.) The US is so beholden to the private prison system that the schools to prisons path is so well greased, more students wind up incarcerated than graduating in most districts.
7: Roads are in disrepair, but there are no funds to fix them. Look at the dam in California, or the highways in Atlanta. There is no money to fix them, ever.
If you have EU citizenship, STAY THERE. If you are Indian, find a job in the US, then go to Europe. Europe is not collapsing from within. Brexit may be scary, but it isn't a war, and really won't affect long term trade.
Re:This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:4, Insightful)
The US healthcare system is #11 out of 11 on outcomes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/) and #37 out of 191 on efficiency (http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf)... hardly the best, hardly the worst. It is however definitely #1 in costs.
People with money travel from all over the world if they have cash, because expensive untested treatments are available in the US but not in other places.
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They've got a long way to go before they are Japan. Because as far as I know every city in Japan has a flush toilet.
Re:This is the real reason H1B scares Americans (Score:5, Funny)
I believe, in Japan, there are more than a flush toilet per city.
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So I was told, but after being soaked from head to toe by Japanese toilets, I was too pissed to find out whether one of the other buttons would flush it. I was afraid it would probably suck me down and swallow me instead.
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That's another thing that made me uncomfortable, it's like crapping onto the car seat (which happens to have a seat heating).
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That's another thing that made me uncomfortable, it's like crapping onto the car seat (which happens to have a seat heating).
Uncomfortable is when your ass hovers above the toilet seat because the malfunctioning heater element is searing hot and your balls touch the icy cold water in the toilet bowl.
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because all the software is too expensive and poof.
Software is a strange business. Unlike manufacturing, where workers' salaries and benefits go to the finished products costs, writing software is a fixed cost. Once you go into production, that cost is spread over the units sold. In fact, pay more for better design talent up front and you can reduce your per unit support costs. And in the software business, with a near zero marginal production cost, support is really the only factor remaining to be considered. This is why the smart companies* will pay a pre
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So, not only are you only making half, you're also often losing half of that to taxes. So in the end, it's not a x2 but more a x3 win for the US.
I'm in Western Europe (Belgium) and wages for web (full stack) and software development are definitely higher than 35k. They are probably more in the 50k range. Except if you just came out of school.
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Re: Just silly. (Score:2)
"inventing software" - cp unity/ my-piece-of-software/
"inventing hardware" - buying odm solution from vuzix, or just getting white box stuff from china
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Hush! We're trying to invent here, don't let management in on our secret!
What are the discretionary savings? (Score:5, Insightful)
Income means nothing if I have to blow it on basic stuff like accommodation, food, school, and a many thousand dollar rainy day fund in case I stub my toe and need to go to a doctor.
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and a many thousand dollar rainy day fund in case I stub my toe and need to go to a doctor.
The rest of the stuff on your list is universal, but that one is pretty much a US-only thing.
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The rest of the stuff on your list is universal, but that one is pretty much a US-only thing.
No. There are several countries where education is free. In the USA, only the most basic education is free. People are expected to go into debt to the government in order to get more if they don't have parents who can afford to pay for it. The system is designed to protect privilege.
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I'm afraid that if you go to a doctor when you stub your toe, then you get EXACTLY what you deserve.
I'm afraid that you are too literal to communicate with people. I suggest you get that looked at but you may not be able to afford it in the USA.
Re:What are the discretionary savings? (Score:4, Insightful)
Ouch! Call the burn ward. But only if his insurance covers it...
Of course it does (Score:2, Interesting)
North-American employers have to compensate for the fact that quality of life is significantly lower. If they didn't pay more, they would not attract any foreign employees.
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And let's not forget the loonies who let their life be dictated by their imaginary buddy and his OCD.
Weird stats? (Score:4, Interesting)
The top 10 percent of salary earners in AR who live in North America earn a median salary of $219,000,
Is it just me or is that a very convoluted way of saying "95th percentile"?
Stupid metrics (Score:2)
What sort of a pointless biased metric is "the median incline of the top ten percent"?
Half of all developers are below average.
It's time to invest in outsourcing (Score:2)
So the proper course of action is to start development company in Europe to price undercut the US developers. Seems like a great business opportunity.
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The best european developers are not that keen to move to States, no matter type of visa.
"Look for opportunities internationally" (Score:3)
H1-Bs tuk muh jerb (Score:2)
I should be making at least $225,000 per year for my tech skills, but due to the abuses of H1-B visa systems by employers, I am scraping by on a pittance of $219,000. Why is this major issue of public policy not bubbling up to be a top priority?!
kindergarten (Score:3)
"You deserve it!"
What a dumb punchline. No, you don't "deserve" it (success). Go pursue it, but no one owes it to you.
Is this some kind of satire?! (Score:2)
From TFS: [ For developers who want to move up in the world, VisionMobile suggests "Invest in your skills. Do difficult work. Improve your English. Look for opportunities internationally. Go for it. You deserve it!" ]
No, just... No.
This whole "you deserve it" bullshit is the root cause of the self-entitled asshole epidemic we see today. Stop it.
I'm not amazed (Score:2, Insightful)
"Discovers North America Pays Better "
Small wonder, other countries offer decent/very good healthcare, up to 80% of last job's pay in case of unemployment for 1 or 2 years, >35 vacation days, paid sick leave up to 6 months or years, maternity leave, paid new parent vacation for 6 months or more, up to 5/6th state-guaranteed pension rights, free daycare, insurance for disability nursing/shopping at home, ...
Meaningless (Score:2)
Along with skill level and software sector, developer salaries also vary widely by where they live in the world. A web developer in North America earns a median income of $73,600 USD per year, compared with the same developer in Western Europe whose median income is $35,400 USD. Web developers in South Asia earn $11,700 in South Asia while those in Eastern Europe earn $20,800 per year.
Yes, and that's meaningless if you aren't going to factor in cost of living.
Re:H-1B Workers (Score:5, Insightful)
This survey proves that American workers aren't being harmed by workers with H-1B visas.
Nonsense. You cannot "prove" anything with statistics. We don't know what the salary range would have been if H1B visas didn't exist. In that alternative universe American tech salaries may have been higher. Or they may have even been lower if entire teams were shifted abroad. We just don't know, and this survey "proves" nothing.
The real reason there's so much objection to the H-1B program is rampant racism
Self-interest is a more plausible explanation.
Re:H-1B Workers (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, salary is just one factor. Cost of living, especially healthcare, amount of paid holiday, having a "sick day" quota, workers' rights, maternity/paternity rights, employer spying, progressive society...
I get the impression that salaries in the US are high to make up for the lack of other stuff.
Re:H-1B Workers (Score:5, Informative)
This, a billion times this.
At my level, I could probably make five or more times what I make over here in Europe in the US. Easily. Trouble is, I don't even need the money I make here, so why bother?
But here I get 25 days paid vacation plus sick days on top of that (no, they don't count as vacation days here), perfect healthcare, unemployment benefit should I for some reason get unemployed (not bloody likely unless I want to, but in that case it pays, too), retirement plan, worker's protection (law commands I MUST NOT work more than 50 hours a week and even that only for a very short time, with no more than 45 hours a week on average during the year. Oh, and no more than 10 hours a day).
Try to beat that, US.
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This, a billion times this.
At my level, I could probably make five or more times what I make over here in Europe in the US. Easily. Trouble is, I don't even need the money I make here, so why bother?
But here I get 25 days paid vacation plus sick days on top of that (no, they don't count as vacation days here), perfect healthcare, unemployment benefit should I for some reason get unemployed (not bloody likely unless I want to, but in that case it pays, too), retirement plan, worker's protection (law commands I MUST NOT work more than 50 hours a week and even that only for a very short time, with no more than 45 hours a week on average during the year. Oh, and no more than 10 hours a day).
Try to beat that, US.
You almost had me until the "perfect healthcare" part. Good one!
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Are there problems with the healthcare the NHS provides? -yes. If we factor the cost of the healthcare is it bloody great? -yes.
I will never forget seeing a program on US healthcare where a person who lost 3 fingers in an induustrial accident was tol the insurance will only cover X amount and he had to choose two of the three to save.
Hospital bills that leave people paying for decades and the above example do not happen here.
"perfect" is an exaggeration...although in certain areas in the UK you can get very
Re: H-1B Workers (Score:2)
What you saw was a fraud. There is nowhere in the U.S. where employers are not required to be fully insured for such accidents. Even if the person had to pay on their own, the normal process would be for the hospital to do everything possible to save the fingers. They would then write off any loss or apply to one of our many charities that help cover the costs in cases like this. One of the reasons healthcare is so expensive here for those that can pay is because we subsidize those who can't.
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and people in lockup get more then someone who just walks into the ER.
https://www.theatlantic.com/he... [theatlantic.com]
Choose a finger [Re: H-1B Workers] (Score:2)
I will never forget seeing a program on US healthcare where a person who lost 3 fingers in an induustrial accident was tol the insurance will only cover X amount and he had to choose two of the three to save.
What you saw was a fraud. There is nowhere in the U.S. where employers are not required to be fully insured for such accidents. Even if the person had to pay on their own, the normal process would be for the hospital to do everything possible to save the fingers. They would then write off any loss or apply to one of our many charities that help cover the costs in cases like this. One of the reasons healthcare is so expensive here for those that can pay is because we subsidize those who can't.
A little google shows that the event discussed, a person losing several fingers and being told by the hospital to choose which ones to reattach, seems to have come from the Michael Moore film "Sicko." The details listed by AC, however, are inaccurate (unless there was another incident I couldn't find on google.) It was a table saw, not an industrial accident, and the man wasn't insured"
https://www.theguardian.com/fi... [theguardian.com] :
http://www.npr.org/templates/s... [npr.org]
Let's talk about some of the medical cases Michael M
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the claim you made that every employer required people to be fully covered is BS>
His example was an industrial accident. The employee's health care coverage, if they have any, wouldn't be involved, as this is covered by Workers' Compensation.
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What's not to like about Healthcare in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the BeNeLux, Sweden...?
Re:H-1B Workers (Score:5, Interesting)
Are you going to wait longer than you would if you can pay for it? Yes. Is that any worse than what happens if it's pay-only, and you can't pay?
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It is just considered vanity, that's all.
Cancer survival [Re:H-1B Workers] (Score:3)
Speaking of chemo and the UK. I was on a year of chemo, that almost killed me three times. I found out the rules for administering it in the UK were lax enough I would have been guaranteed killed by the chemo in the UK had I been on it the full year.
But it sounds like they wouldn't have approved me for the full year, so I guess that explains why they are lax on blood tests for it since people don't get it. Yes, had I gotten cancer in the UK I would have been dead already, had they treated it or had they not treated it. In the US I was able to get "proper" treatment that worked.
Cancer survival rates in the UK are lower than those in the rest of Europe. But the rest of Europe also has socialized health care. Sweden's survival rate is the highest in the world. Should you attribute that to their socialized health care?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11891554/UK-cancer-survival-worst-in-western-Europe.html
And it's not clear whether the UK has lower cancer survival rates than the U.S. or not, because the UK has a national database, while the US doesn't. So it turns out th
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25 paid vacation days is actually the low end.
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I am German and the lowest amount of paid vacation days I ever had was 28 (working for a Finnish company). In all other cases I got 30 paid vacation days. Official holidays that are on the weekend are considered tough luck in Germany, though.
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Same for me in Denmark. When the official holidays around christmas lands on weekend, we call it an "employer" christmas and the other way around when they land on work days. :)
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At six year's in I'm up to 35 days paid holiday a year.
Re: H-1B Workers (Score:2)
Here in the US, I get paid a competitive salary, have unlimited vacation, work about 35 hours a week, have on demand telecommuting, and free health care.
Sorry, foreigner, you can tell yourself you've got a good deal, but it sounds like unsubstantiated nationalism.
Re: H-1B Workers (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, but not everyone is lucky enough to be the president of the US.
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That's one problem I have with articles like this - they act like salary is everything, and the only factor is the size of the digits.
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Developer salaries in the US are high to make up for the fact that they don't provide health insurance or paid holidays? Been a developer in the US for 20 years and never heard of such a job. In fact, never heard of a job w/o paid maternity/paternity leave. At my last job a guy was out sick for almost a year and he was paid the whole time.
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Once wanted to apply for a job in the US. There was an option to enter my race. (Optional, I know). That would not be allowed to be asked.
I'm not sure where you are, but in the UK it's fairly common to ask for that information on a separate form. It isn't allowed to be used in the hiring process (and there are penalties if you collect it and don't have a process in place to prevent it from being accessed by people involved with the hiring process), but is allowed to be used for statistical checks on the backgrounds of your applicants, so that you can spot things like '90% of applicants are in group X, but all hires are in group Y' and so on.
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Theres no proofs in science, nor the queen of the humanities, economics. However you can make pretty good inferences, and then look how they couple with the theory. And basically im
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Self-interest is a more plausible explanation.
when you are talking about racism, self interest is usually pretty strong in the mix. It's basically people in power holding down people out of power. This is often done, in part, to keep the power. In this case, that power is high salary.
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To give an example, Thomas Jefferson agreed that slavery was wrong and should be abolished. It was just that they couldn't maintain their life style without it, so it had to go on. Jefferson was also worried that he had a wolf by the ear, as in, if he let go he would likely die. He basically explained the whole thing as self interest / self preservation.
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Nonsense. You cannot "prove" anything with statistics
WTF; who taught you that nonsense? You can "prove" *anything* with statistics. It's just a matter of presentation.
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I think racism might be slightly too strong, but I will say there is definitely cultural clashes.
1) Rude and sexist behavior towards women, especially women managers. The story I heard was that with one Indian, the female manager finally broke him with relentless pager duty backed by 8 AM meetings and 2-3 unplanned office moves where his stuff was dumped in boxes and moved to progressively smaller cubes.
2) Appalling personal hygiene habits -- not bathing, not changing clothes. A friend seated next to an I
Re:11K in south asia (Score:5, Interesting)
With 11K in South Asia you can live with the same quality of life as someone making $120K in the US.
Yes and no. You can't afford a car, but you can easily afford a live-in housekeeper and nanny for your kids.
Re: 11K in south asia (Score:2)
Yo man, are you staying in Shanghai for Qingming?
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Yes and no. You can't afford a car, but you can easily afford a live-in housekeeper and nanny for your kids.
Is it just me, or would you be scared to leave someone making barely more than slavery wages alone in your house with your child?
Re: US vs. Europe (Score:2)
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It doesn't quite cover the difference, but yeah having one month paid vacation and universal healthcare helps to soften the blow quite a lot.
Re:US vs. Europe (Score:4, Informative)
Plus worker protection laws that can't be beat. Limitation of hours per week, limitations of what your boss can impose on you, certain practices that are common in the US being outlawed, easy and free/cheap access to work related lawyers in case it gets to court (including insurance to cover your cost in case that lawyer says you should sue and you lose)...
The list is pretty long. And it's universal, so companies don't even get the idea to sneak it in on the low level, where people can't afford to defend against it and fight it, and let it creep upwards.
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You have some very weird numbers there. WHO claims that Spain is 7 or less, UK is 7 or less, France is 16 or less, whereas the US is 12 or more, depending on how you measure it. Source: WHO. [who.int]
The EU-28 average is slightly below 12. Source: Eurostat. [europa.eu]
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You are a liar. USA has twice the amount of suicides.
http://apps.who.int/gho/data/n... [who.int]
Sweden: 13.2
France: 15.8
United Kingdom: 7.0
Spain: 7.0
South Korea: 36.8
Canada: 11.4
United States: 13.7
Mexico: 4.1
Oh, and suicide rates strongly correlate to the latitude (because of the amount of sunlight in winter). United States shares most of its the latitude with Southern Europe, but its suicide rate is higher:
Spain: 7.0
Italy: 6.4
Portugal: 12.5
Greece: 4.9
Malta: 6.8
Malta is basically as far south as Southern Europe goes and it is on about the same latitude as Los Alamos, New Mexico, so USA goes even further south. Seriously, suicide rates in USA suck in comparison to what they ought to be.
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How can poor Mexicans and rich Americans both be low relative to their European counterparts?
When most of your people suffer from a mental handicap that tells them offing yourself is a nono because an imaginary being is going to torture you for it eternally, they'll readily suffer a few more years instead of facing the eternal damnation they were told is waiting for them.
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Ahhh, so the guys in the Bible Belt aren't just too stupid to clean their guns safely...
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access to toys like fire arms and off road vehicles makes my quality of life decidedly better than my European counterpart.
Always good to hear the views of our teenage readers!
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Yes, but you get something in return for those taxes. It's not like your IRS uses it to buy golden toilets for the tax men...
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Yes, it's a pity our rich can't even afford a spare ivory back scratcher just 'cause some plebs want indoor plumbing.