Hamas 'Honey Trap' Dupes Israeli Soldiers (securityweek.com) 109
wiredmikey quotes Security Week: The smartphones of dozens of Israeli soldiers were hacked by Hamas militants pretending to be attractive young women online, an Israeli military official said Wednesday. Using fake profiles on Facebook with alluring photos, Hamas members contacted the soldiers via groups on the social network, luring them into long chats, the official told journalists on condition of anonymity.
Dozens of the predominantly lower-ranked soldiers were convinced enough by the honey trap to download fake applications which enabled Hamas to take control of their phones, according to the official.
Dozens of the predominantly lower-ranked soldiers were convinced enough by the honey trap to download fake applications which enabled Hamas to take control of their phones, according to the official.
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Dozens! (Score:2, Funny)
How will Israel ever recover?!
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Now please, let's move on to your next talking about the blockade or perhaps "the world's largest open-air prison" so that I can remind everyone of Gaza's other border.
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That's a pretty one-sided version of events. Israel denies Gazans airspace, access to their coastline, and blocks imports. Palestinian children are stunted growth because the Israeli government blocked even pasta from coming in.
And yes, Palestinians elected Hamas because they wanted to throw out the existing corrupt party, and since Israelis elected a right winger who said he'd force concessions from Palestinians they voted the same right back.
Re: Dozens! (Score:4, Informative)
And why shouldn't Israel do that? After all Hamas denies Israel and its population the right to exist.
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http://www.sciencemag.org/cont... [sciencemag.org]
Science 24 August 2007:
Vol. 317 no. 5841 pp. 1039-1040
DOI: 10.1126/science.1144241
Policy Forum
Sacred Barriers to Conflict Resolution
Scott Atran, Robert Axelrod, Richard Davis
Resolution of quarrels arising from conflicting sacred values, as in the Middle East, may require concessions that acknowledge the opposition's core concerns
We went to the Middle East in February 2007 to directly probe issues of material trade-offs and symbolic concessions with leaders of the major parti
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http://www.juancole.com/2014/0... [juancole.com]
The Hateful Likud Charter Calls for Destruction of Any Palestinian
State
Aug. 4, 2014
By Jonathan Weiler
Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group's Charter rejects Israel's right to exist, it's worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. "The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel."
b. "Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The go
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11... [nytimes.com]
Op-Ed Contributor
America's Failed Palestinian Policy
By YOUSEF MUNAYYER
November 23, 2012
Israel's U.S.-supported policies send the message that the only time the Palestinians will make gains is through arms. The policies penalize peaceful efforts by Fatah, and reward violence by Hamas. Fatah, in 1991, recognized Israel's existence, renounced violence, and agreed to negotiations leading to a Palestinian state. Instead, Israel tripled the number of settlers and Fatah is no close
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http://www.theatlantic.com/int... [theatlantic.com]
Who Started the Israel-Gaza Conflict?
By Robert Wright
Nov 16 2012,
A summary of events in the renewal of Israeli-Palestinian hostilities, Nov 8 - Nov 15
By Emily Hauser
There's a constant back and forth, and on both sides, there's always something or someone to avenge.
According to Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as of November 13, Palestinian militants had fired 797 rockets into Israel in the course of 2012 , and according to the Israeli human rights organization Btselem,
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Re: Dozens! (Score:4, Insightful)
Why can't they get their food and other imports from Egypt, with whom they share a common border (as well as a common language, ethnicity and religion)? Where are the legions of delusional and astroturfing internet trolls protesting Egypt's blockade? Why is everything automagically the Jews' fault, every goddamn time?
Hamas, the democratically elected government of Gaza, has sworn to kill all Jews. Not just Israelis, Jews. It's thus entirely reasonable for Israeli to deny Nazi Germany's retarded little brother[1] access to all imports from their side (but of course, they don't even go nearly that far.)
1. My profound apologies to both actual retards and actual Nazis for the comparison.
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Why can't they get their food and other imports from Egypt
Because the Israeli and US government have both put pressure on Egypt not to allow free flow across the border.
Egypt is the second largest recipient of US aid, after Israel.
Re: Dozens! (Score:4, Interesting)
If one cares about helping the people of Gaza, the logical route is to go through Egypt, who regardless of any American pressures that may exist do not have the real or imagined prejudices that the Israelis do. The tactic to use, if this were really about helping the Palestinians (as opposed to it being primarily about screwing with Israel for the nth time) would be to shame Egyptians into acting, to never stop talking about the Egyptian blockade of Gaza. Regardless of whether or not US pressure is involved, this tactic stands a far, far greater chance of actually working and helping all of those millions of stunted Palestinian children the OP alleged.
It's a test of intellectual honesty, one of many tests that the popular Palestinian rights movement fails at spectacularly. The Egyptians are not only equally complicit, they are (at least in theory) much easier to persuade than the Zionist Entity. The null hypothesis is that this is a cocktail of masochistic bullshit invented for political purposes, and you've failed to reject that null hypothesis.
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That's a pretty one-sided version of events. Israel denies Gazans airspace, access to their coastline, and blocks imports. Palestinian children are stunted growth because the Israeli government blocked even pasta from coming in.
And yes, Palestinians elected Hamas because they wanted to throw out the existing corrupt party, and since Israelis elected a right winger who said he'd force concessions from Palestinians they voted the same right back.
That's correct. Israel is blockading Gaza. A blockade is an act of war, under international law. A country that is being attacked has a right to defend itself.
I would like both sides to strictly follow international law and abide by humanitarian principles and human rights, but neither side is doing that. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are correct to condemn Hamas for targeting civilians, but they are also correct to condemn Israel for doing the same thing.
The main difference between Hamas and
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A country that is being attacked has a right to defend itself.
Exactly.
That's correct. Israel is blockading Gaza. A blockade is an act of war, under international law.
Which is an example of a country defending itself from outside attackers. Did you already forget the 1000s of rockets fired at Israel not long ago?
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As I documented in those articles I posted, the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis killed is about ten to one. Most of those thousands of rockets fall harmlessly without injuring anyone. A few of them injured Israelis, and even fewer killed Israelis. The Israelis respond with massive retaliation, killing dozens, hundreds or thousands of Palestinians.
As I also documented, the Palestinians have made many proposals to stop the fighting, and Israel has responded by killing the Palestinians who made peace
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As I documented in those articles I posted, the ratio of Palestinians killed to Israelis killed is about ten to one. Most of those thousands of rockets fall harmlessly without injuring anyone. A few of them injured Israelis, and even fewer killed Israelis. The Israelis respond with massive retaliation, killing dozens, hundreds or thousands of Palestinians.
Meaningless statistic. Being better at war isn't a crime. Firing rockets is an act of war, even if they are destroyed. Do you expect an aircraft carrier to sit and let an enemy boat fire missiles at it all day and not respond because the CWS is able to take out the missiles?
As I also documented, the Palestinians have made many proposals to stop the fighting, and Israel has responded by killing the Palestinians who made peace offers and escalating the fighting. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11 [nytimes.com]... [nytimes.com] Israel's Shortsighted Assassination By Gershon Baskin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [wikipedia.org]... [wikipedia.org]
So has Israel, what is your point? Ever peace negotiation has ended with the Palestinians storming off with a refusal to acknowledge Israel's sovereignty. You can't negotiate with people who refuse to acknowledge your rights.
Look, j
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So Shane here responds to someone's pro-Palestinians comment and gets marked off topic. Yet their comment was a reasonable response. But twice now two pro-Palestinians comments are marked insightful. So it "appears" that it's ok if you on the side of Palestinians but not the Israelis? I find that rather interesting to be honest. Hamas has clearly stated that they refuse to accept Israel right to exist and some here are ok with that?
If my memory serves me correctly wasn't it the Palestinians that wal
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But even though they won those wars they are told they have to give back whatever land they won as a result.
Remember the Alamo, we should give back Texas...
UN (Score:1)
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I am pretty sure that exactly zero people who suffered under the Nazis were Israeli.
To what end? (Score:2)
Re:To what end? (Score:4, Informative)
The hacked phones gave up their GPS and call history data. This data could be used to plan attacks or kidnapping.
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The hacked phones gave up their GPS and call history data. This data could be used to plan attacks or kidnapping.
AKA "acts of war".
You do realize that the latest UN resolution deems the Western Wall in Jerusalem as "illegally occupied territory"?
By giving the Palestinians everything they openly asked for (it's not hard to find evidence that their goal is STILL the utter eradication of Israel and the genocide of its inhabitants...), the stage for war is set?
Do you really trust Obama's judgement here? Syria? ISIS? Egypt? Libya? Any of those Obama/Middle East cock-ups ring a bell?
Obama just set the stage for war in
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Similar apps are alleged to have allowed russians to target artillery in Ukraine.
Re:To what end? (Score:5, Interesting)
The specific suggestions in the previous email are valid.
There are also possibilities of blackmail if they learn something about the soldiers. Then there is just the tactical value of having more information about the enemy - having the cells suddenly turn off might be in indication of an impending operation.
Re:To what end? (Score:4, Interesting)
Cellphones have been a problem for a long time (Score:1)
Gaza to be attacked in 3... 2... 1.. (Score:1, Interesting)
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Historically, Zionism was a nationalist movement formed by German Jews on the model of 19th century German nationalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Fascism (Score:1)
Then take it up with those former IDF officials (Score:2)
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Interesting that you picked the example of Gaza for your headline. That's the area that Israel FULLY VACATED a few years ago, to the extent of relocating Jewish graves. What did they get in return? Rocket attacks on Sderot and other border areas. Had Hamas eliminated all attacks from Gaza, they would have gotten more settlement freezes in the West Bank
The real dirty secret is that all Pali groups want to wipe out Israel as a Jewish state, and replace it w/ an Arab Islamic state. The only difference b
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War crimes or simply war. (Score:1)
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The situation between Israel and Palestine is war, but how is anything a war crime?
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/... [ohchr.org]
773. At about 12.50 p.m., Khalid Abd Rabbo, his wife Kawthar, their three daughters, Souad (aged 9), Samar (aged 5) and Amal (aged 3), and his mother, Hajja Souad Abd Rabbo, stepped out of the house, all of them carrying white flags. Less than 10 metres from the door was a tank, turned towards their house. Two soldiers were sitting on top of it having a snack (one was eating chips, the other chocolate, according to one of the witnesses). The family stood still, waiting for
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We are taking the word of B'Tselem, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The New York Times, BBC, Washington Post, Haaretz, and the Goldstone Report, all of whom sent investigators to the scene to interview witnesses and examine the scene for physical evidence.
For example, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/pro... [bbc.co.uk]
We're taking their word agains the word of the Israeli government, which hasn't responded to the charges except to say that Palestinians generically are lying.
The BBC said, "We have put the family's
Horny soldiers should go to the Gaza strip club (Score:3)
Why attack somewhere named for it's strippers?
HamasHoneys.com (Score:2)
The perils of success (Score:5, Insightful)
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Hamas only has power because Israel continues to tolerate it.
Israel can choose to be fascist dictators, or it can choose to be civilised.
Sadly, they have already made there choice obvious.
Fascism 2 (Score:1)
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If you call your government "fascist" and don't get arrested -- then your government isn't fascist. Try cursing out Hamas' leadership from inside Gaza.
Now that is a point that should get modded up. But I'm out of mod points...
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You mean, kinda like, wait for it, ..., a final solution?
Ba dum tss.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital [wikipedia.org]
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Super Awesome Improvement!!! (Score:3)
I'd rather the Hamas terrorists sit around hacking Israeli army enlisted men's smartphones than strap explosives to themselves and go kill innocent civilians in populated cities.
Exploding bus = brutally murdered people and body parts everywhere while the terrorists and their sympathizers dance in the streets and Iran pays them.
Hacked smartphone = nobody dead.
This applies to all terrorists, be they Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, French-muslims, etc.
Please, terrorists, do go on and continue your oh-so-super hacking.
Swords to plowshares indeed.
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Innocence (Score:1)
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Islamic men acting like teen girls.. (Score:2)
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Yes it does.
In fact, that amazing looking girl on Facebook that's interested in you might just be a Federal Agent if you, your friends or family are on their radar.
You know the saying:
If it's too good to be true . . . .
Suspicious (Score:2)
Soldiers, eh (Score:2)
I wonder if these were conscripts rather than hired personnel.
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Fake Applications? Really? (Score:2)
They weren't fake, they were fraudulent, misleading, falsely advertising, malware....
But they worked, therefore they weren't fake applications..