ISIS Makes Direct Threats Against Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey (cnet.com) 305
wjcofkc writes: A group of ISIS supporters have threatened to take down Facebook and Twitter, as well as their leaders. In a 25-minute propaganda video released by a group calling itself "the sons of the Caliphate army," photographs of both technology leaders are riddled with bullets. The video was first spotted by Vocativ. The threats are being made over the two companies' efforts to seek out and remove terrorist-related content on their respective platforms. The group is quoted as saying, "If you close one account, we will take 10 in return and soon your names will be erased after we delete your sites, Allah willing, and will know that we say is true."
Shouldn't ISIS be more worried about Tim Cook? (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh, I got my terrorist organizations mixed up. My bad #notFBI
They'd probably be doing us a favor. (Score:5, Funny)
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Thought independent outside of obsessing over "likes" and "friends".
No more walking off cliffs because your posting to Facebook. (this of course excludes general texting)
Living socially normal lives.
No more armies of people baffled that I among others are not on Facebook.
A vast reduction in narcissistic selfies.
(maybe) an increase in general civility as people would be forced to have face-to-face conversations within close physical proximity.
A steady increase in gray matter across a few billion people.
The avoidance of entire generations of kids that are socially inept and who knows what else developmental oddities because, well, facebook.
I could go on but that's a lot of typing. Maybe someone else take over?
Did they say which accounts? (Score:5, Funny)
It would make sense if they were to kindly list the accounts they want to stay open. Otherwise how is Facebook supposed to know which is an Isis supporting page and which is a Ted Cruz supporting page.
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Daesh vs. Facebook.
Whoever loses
We win
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Ah-ha! Thankfully Jack had enough foresight to start Twitter's Trust and Safety Council. They're just the SJWs to smooth over any potential insults or hurtful words and make any possible concessions needed to keep the ISIS threat quelled. While ISIS is demanding a rather large "safe space", westerners need to check their white, democratic privilege and let these folks self-segregate so as to avoid any "justicesplaining" we might want to inflict on their sensitive feelings and need to provide a welcoming and
Re:They'd probably be doing us a favor. (Score:5, Insightful)
it's like, "if you dare to interfere with our propaganda, we'll retaliate by shutting down the service on which we distribute our propaganda!" Seems poorly thought out.
Re:They'd probably be doing us a favor. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Allah is pretty gay, isn't he?
(NTTAWWT, apart from to his followers).
Personally, I'm all for burying ISIS members ass-towards-mecca. doused in pig blood, and making it clear to all of them that that is the fate that awaits them. IN their pin-heads, that would permanently bar them from their fairy-tale paradise.
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ISIS is about as much of a threat to the world at large as a playground bully. It's a highly localized threat. Sure, on the way home from school, a few punches might get thrown, but it's hardly going to upset the world order. The reason governments care is because they don't want to deal with the refugees, not because ISIS is going to invade.
Of course ISIS would *love* to destroy America (or Europe, or anyone, really), but intent and capability are two separate things. China has the capability to destro
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While I can understand why you think these people are not a threat to Europe and the USA... let's bring some knowledge into the game;
China and Russian have tried and failed multiple times to cause the "dollar" to collapse http://www.usnews.com/news/art... [usnews.com] is just one of the many examples
9/11 was caused by a small group of people.
The ability to create and hack electronic systems has never been easier, if you keep reading slashdot, you'll see that all infrastructures are weak, also, it seems that bio-hacking
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Considering that you refer to their God as a "magical sky fairy"
Their Allah
Re:They'd probably be doing us a favor. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:They'd probably be doing us a favor. (Score:5, Insightful)
What would you call it?
Personally, I think people beyond the age of 8 that have an imaginary friend are kinda weird, to say the least.
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You know weird people.
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My autofellatio-fetish is none of your business.
Re:They'd probably be doing us a favor. (Score:4, Interesting)
Not where I live. Actually, a politician who even ponders thinking about mentioning something akin to resembling Creationism as a "valid theory" and something that should be taught in school would very certainly perform political suicide.
We don't elect lunatics. At least not of the religious kind.
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Let's go through it...
Magical? Definitely a valid interpretation.
Sky? Yup, checks out.
Fairy? Well, it depends, but don't let pop culture depictions narrow your view of the many forms fairies take in various myths.
So yeah, it's an accurate description.
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Well, not quite. You can see that with the Yazidis, where in captured towns, the men face genocide and the women sexual slavery.
They also separate out different kinds of non-believers. "People of the Book" can pay the tax and be subservient -- Jews, Christians, and depending on who you ask, possibly Sikhs, Zorastrians, Mandeans, Hindus, and Buddhists. Yazidis are not people of the book, so they are are officially and explicitly in the "convert or die" camp -- Bahai, and atheists would also not be.
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..possibly Sikhs, Zorastrians, Mandeans, Hindus, and Buddhists.
This is from personal experiences, working in a British University for over 10 years, 60-80% foreign students, so make of it what you will. Bear in mind, I had to be aware of any undercurrents going on as the last thing I needed was to deal with an outbreak of violence in the Labs, unfortunately, these happened. And, bear in mind, I was dealing with Engineering/Computing/Science students here.
Regarding Muslims and their attitudes to 'The People of the Book(the extended edition)'
Sikhs: nope..friction betwee
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All the while claiming to be the religion of "peace".
Oh, please, do fuck off. Remember the Inquisition? Burning at stake? Killing of the unbelivers?
It's standard practice for any religion: you're either with us or you're next on the list.
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FYI, just for your edification, and hopefully to squash your misunderstanding.
The Yazidis recently on a mountain being attacked by ISIS were Christians. They are people of the book, ISIS doesn't care though, they are out to kill anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do, even Muslims who are more moderate are beheaded by ISIS.
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That sounds like a fun life.
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Yes, it is funny. Those clowns are by default funny, and their insane antics that border on Korea's Li'l Kim and his megalomania are even more.
Sorry, but I can't take those asshats serious. We're talking about grown men who get all riled up over someone offending their imaginary buddy by drawing a picture of him.
How the FUCK could you take lunatics like that serious?
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The biggest weapon against these clowns is humour. They simply cannot handle it.
A bunch of dudes all dressing the same with matching beards, it's like some sort of homo-erotica act.
The Pen vs the Sword ... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:The Pen vs the Sword ... (Score:5, Insightful)
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I think the point is that the person with the pen is able to garner more support from friends and allies, and thus more swords.
The sword must disable the pen to survive as the controlling force. This is why the pen is mightier.
Re:The Pen vs the Sword ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Those who think the Pen is mightier than the Sword are about to learn the unpoetic truth that a person with only a pen needs to have some really good friends with swords.
The phrase means that in the course of history that ideas are a more powerful force for change than weapons.
Ghandi's "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." means the same thing.
The person with a "pen" may die. But his ideas may ultimately change the world, despite the attempt by those with "swords" to prevent it.
Re:The Pen vs the Sword ... (Score:5, Interesting)
Gandhi's struggle would have turned out very, very differently had he been dealing with Hitler or Stalin or Mao instead of the British Empire. His methods only work against an adversary who has at least SOME heart or nobility you can leverage and exploit.
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Maybe. Had Ghandi simply been executed (ie martyred) that might have catalyzed change as well; although the transition would have been very, very, different.
If first they "execute" rather than "ignore" ... (Score:2)
Maybe. Had Ghandi simply been executed (ie martyred) that might have catalyzed change as well; although the transition would have been very, very, different.
Doubtful in the Hitler, Stalin, Mao context. Sadly he would likely have been martyred long before he had a following. Ghandi's own strategy suggests that you are mistaken. First you need to be ignored, then you need to be laughed at. Hitler, Stalin, or Mao would have used a different strategy and started with execute rather than ignore. For moral persuasion to work the audience needs to be somewhat moral.
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The audience isn't the government; it's the populus. And given that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were ultimately unsuccessful -- and only one by armed conflict -- I think it's safe to say that superior ideas triumphed over superior physical might.
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Gandhi's struggle would have turned out very, very differently had he been dealing with Hitler or Stalin or Mao instead of the British Empire. His methods only work against an adversary who has at least SOME heart or nobility you can leverage and exploit.
I don't think you fully grasp the concept. ie Gandhi's philosphy is still be taught, supported, and followed. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao not so much. So yeah I think his pen still beats their swords.
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Gandhi's struggle would have turned out very, very differently had he been dealing with Hitler or Stalin or Mao instead of the British Empire. His methods only work against an adversary who has at least SOME heart or nobility you can leverage and exploit.
I don't think you fully grasp the concept. ie Gandhi's philosphy is still be taught, supported, and followed. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao not so much. So yeah I think his pen still beats their swords.
Gandhi's philosophy is being followed by who? Nuclear armed India, India who fights over Kashmir? Apparently not. The Tibetans being ethnically cleansed by China? Maybe them. The ethnically cleansed Christian communities of Iraq? Maybe them too.
Hitler, Stalin -- Are you seriously saying their philosophies are not being followed? Both were role models to various strong-men dictators of recent times.
Mao -- Tiananmen Square protests/massacre of 1989. Can the Pen in China even mention the actual events?
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Gandhi's philosophy is being followed by who?
Seriously?
Nuclear armed India, India who fights over Kashmir? Apparently not.
You know that 'India' is not a person right? And the entire Indian race don't all share the exact same philosophical views yeah? Or are you really that ignorant?
Hitler, Stalin -- Are you seriously saying their philosophies are not being followed? Both were role models to various strong-men dictators of recent times.
Yes because their "philosophies" is their pen. Their tanks and bombs were their swords (see how it works now?)
Mao -- Tiananmen Square protests/massacre of 1989. Can the Pen in China even mention the actual events?
If you've ever been to China you would see that since the 80's China's rule has become more benign. This didn't happen with guns or swords.
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Gandhi's philosophy is being followed by who?
Seriously?
Nuclear armed India, India who fights over Kashmir? Apparently not.
You know that 'India' is not a person right? And the entire Indian race don't all share the exact same philosophical views yeah? Or are you really that ignorant?
Gandhi's creation, an independent India, abandoned his non-violent philosophy, immediately committed atrocities and ethnic cleansing upon itself, split into two countries, two countries that periodically war with each other. Seems a new sword triumphed as soon as the old sword, the British, left.
Hitler, Stalin -- Are you seriously saying their philosophies are not being followed? Both were role models to various strong-men dictators of recent times.
Yes because their "philosophies" is their pen. Their tanks and bombs were their swords (see how it works now?)
Yes, sword wins. Hitler was only defeated by those who put away the pen and picked up swords.
Mao -- Tiananmen Square protests/massacre of 1989. Can the Pen in China even mention the actual events?
If you've ever been to China you would see that since the 80's China's rule has become more benign. This didn't happen with guns or swords.
Nice dodge. More benign is an extremely relative thing, besides being a highly debatable claim. There is little room for c
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Gandhi's struggle would have turned out very, very differently had he been dealing with Hitler or Stalin or Mao instead of the British Empire. His methods only work against an adversary who has at least SOME heart or nobility you can leverage and exploit.
Not necessarily. Remember that India was pretty far from England, so the British empire had to spend huge amounts of funds to police India with British forces rather than local forces (which was the preferred method of the British Empire). China can only control Tibet because they're right next door, controlling Ghana would be a different kettle of fish due to the expense of keeping soldiers stationed overseas, not to mention serious morale problems.
Violent resistance also doesn't guarantee results. The
Re:The Pen vs the Sword ... (Score:4, Interesting)
Heart of mobility my ass. Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, Churchill said: âoeI hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
You're assuming access to the media (Score:2)
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Plus those people who have the friends with the swords, can use those pens to write some pretty big checks to their friends.
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I've found the infidel!
How dare you depict the Prophet's angry face!
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Where is the goatse-guy when you need him?
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(((:~{(>
Asked and delivered.
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Angry Birds, Angry Ants, etc. :P
Ob Kum Ba Ya (Score:3, Informative)
So the lesson is that even a sadistic bunch of mediaevalist nutbag bandits aren't entirely bad...
Maxim 29. (Score:2, Funny)
29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less
(The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries)
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If you want sayings, the only one worth being said is:
What is best in life?
To crush your, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
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Why don't they make their own (anti) social network: MedievalBook or something? They can share decap pics among friends and fam.
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BurkaBook?
25-minute propaganda video (Score:5, Funny)
>> 25-minute propaganda video
Anyone seen SlashDot's video editor lately? A 25-minute rambling screed sounds like the kind of thing that's typically posted here.
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Except that this video is actually getting some attention here.
Re:25-minute propaganda video (Score:5, Informative)
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>> We discontinued videos
Exactly. :)
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Re:25-minute propaganda video (Score:5, Funny)
Why would you do that? If Facebook or Twitter or even Microsoft these days have taught me anything, it's that if users don't like a feature, you DOUBLE THE FUCK DOWN ON IT! Make it impossible to ignore! Make it pop up how great it is every single time a user logs in! "Accidentally" reset the user defaults back to reenable it!
What's this "listening to users" thing? That's, like, web 1.0 thinking.
Re:25-minute propaganda video (Score:5, Funny)
Dude, stop messing with the order of things. Our job is to complain about stuff and your job is to ignore it. Now you come in and give us what we want.
Care to tell us what we should complain about now? YOU TOOK UUUR JUUUUB!
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Yeah, that gives ... wait. What do you mean by "another week or three"? You can't take that from us! That's the staple of /. ranting since the inception of this page, this goes back way longer than some of the contemporary users are alive!
You see, any time we complained and ranted about something on /., and it was suddenly gone and there wasn't anything wrong anymore, we could always rely on being able to say "but there is still no Unicode support!" It has always been a reliable checkmate move.
*sniff* I can
Re:25-minute propaganda video (Score:5, Insightful)
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When, I've got a list of user names to grab...
This is going to be fun. For some of us.
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Seriously, do you remember what happened the last time /. supported unicode?
Unending trolling and counter-trolling, using burner accounts that look just like existing posters accounts, but using all sorts of foreign characters.
DO NOT SUPPORT UNICODE in usernames, for S/N ratio. The umlaut people need to suck it.
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And for that I thank you!
Re:25-minute propaganda video (Score:5, Interesting)
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Cool, thanks.
big talkers (Score:5, Funny)
Of Zuckerburgs and Men. (Score:2)
I feel kinda bad about this, but part of me really hopes Zuckerberg is the one threat they actually follow through on.
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As if Sugarhill matters. Someone else will take his place and Facebook continues its existence.
I agree (Score:3)
I think the end of Facebook and Twitter would actually make the world a significantly better place for many reasons.
Just one example would be during my commute every day its unusual to not see multiple morons (for whatever reason its nearly always women) that are drifting into other lanes, suddenly hard braking, or or causing multiple other problems by not keeping up with the busy traffic flow around them, because updating their facebook status is clearly more important than paying any attention to controlling 2 tons of metal barelling down the freeway.
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Indeed. When I first read the summary on the front page, my first thought was, "And nothing of value was lost."
Videos! (Score:2)
Meanwhile (Score:2)
While ISIS is threatening Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg is threatening [usatoday.com] to `investigate' his employees for failing to indulge BLM grievance mongering.
Real internet tough guys (Score:2)
The important thing to remember about ISIS (Score:5, Insightful)
is that they're very, very media savvy. They understand the value of PR, and are not above saying things they don't have any real plans to do just for the publicity effect. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they'd be happy to lop off a few CEO heads (especially the Jew), but I'm guessing their primary aim is to keep us talking about them.
And you know, we do have to talk about them, because that's the way our society operates and they know it. But we don't necessarily have to give their chest-thumping any credence. I think that's the primary thing they want; if we treat them as powerful then they will gain credibility and that will attract adherents. So let's review; the guys they're threatening are famous, high profile billionaires. They're already attractive targets for domestic terrorists and criminals; they're not soft targets for any screwball ISIS might inspire to martyrdom.
ISIS also can get other things from from making largely empty threats. They can get whip up American anti-Muslim sentiment, which serves ISIS's purposes very well. The droves of Muslims eager to get away from ISIS's control undermines the legitimacy ISIS's claim to having established a new caliphate, so they are very quick to publicize the fact that anyone trying to leave is going to get kicked by Hungarian cameramen.
If you don't want to be an unwitting ISIS stooge, take a deep breath and put them in perspective. Sure, they're a bunch of dangerous fanatics, but they're 6000 miles away. And yes, they're bound to have a few homicidal crackpot adherents here in the USA, but those crackpots are just a drop in our big bucket of homegrown homicidal crackpots, and we hardly give our native nutcases any attention at all. We're already taking our homegrown fanatics and mass killers in stride, so it's just a marginal effort to worry about ISIS.
That's ISIS in a nutshell for us: they're a marginal concern. Not to say ISIS doesn't have a place on the list of the things we need to be concerned with, but it hardly deserves to be the center of our foreign policy, much less the center of our national policy.
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"Wouldn't it be neat if someone killed soadso?"
Half if not most attacks are not by direct effort. This is serious.
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If we treat them as powerful, attacking them will also gain credibility. Beheading videos may be great to recruit supporters, but they're also a great way of getting the West to accept military force used against them.
ISIS actually doesn't understand that. Middle Eastern cultures tend to assume that if they threaten the West and the West doesn't attack them, it's because of weakness, not because of scruples. Of c
"Allah willing"...? (Score:2)
Guess the ISISsies haven't gotten the hint yet.
Terrorist organization going after a billionaire (Score:4, Insightful)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
just wondering... (Score:2)
For one... (Score:2)
.... I'm actually inclined to cheer that bunch of goat fuckers on.
Allah willing (Score:5, Insightful)
"If you close one account, we will take 10 in return and soon your names will be erased after we delete your sites, Allah willing, and will know that we say is true."
But, what if Allah doesn't will it?
Re:Allah willing (Score:4, Funny)
Click to Unfriend him.
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It's funny you point that out. In Arabic, Insha'Allah -- God willing -- is basically a filler word. They say it *all the time*, to roughly the same degree a teenager would say "like." It's unlikely they gave it's inclusion any thought, but perhaps they should. :)
Here's what should happen (Score:2)
They should each make troll videos showing a burka'ed head fellating them while they eat bacon, drink a beer and wipe their butts with the ISIS flag. All while mumbling "Run from the bombs, run from the tanks, you can't handle the truth!"
Then auto-refresh Rickroll them.
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Yes, otherwise they would have just done so rather than threaten to do so.
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I think part of the reason why the threat is funny is because they are threatening to "delete" Facebook, like you can just click on it and press the Del key and, that's it, no more Facebook. It's also funny because you have some sort of international terrorist group threatening the founders of social networks because they keep getting kicked off. They don't sound so tough and scary when they're whining about getting kicked off Twitter.
Anyway, it's funny in the same way that Donald Trump being the GOP nomi
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isis and al quaeda are a bit like democrats and republicans. two ostensibly opposing forces both working to destroy humanity.
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This is the first time I've ever sided with Farcebook -- FTFY.
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Do I have to take sides? Can't I hope for total MAD?
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Why would you want those morons back out on the general net again?
Taking down facebook would be the worst thing to happen to the net's signal to noise ratio sense the shutdown of AOL.
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True... true...
In the end, Facebook keeps the sanity levels in the rest of the internet on a manageable level by soaking up the majority of crazies.
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Actually, the zeroes are free and plentiful, it's the ones that cost you.
Of course, with certain types of memory the whole thing is flip flopped, much like juice/cider in Canada.
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Interesting idea. Does ISIS threaten to punch people wearing Google Glass "right in the face"
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Because the whole shit has somehow turned into some kind of substitute religion. It no longer has any connection whatsoever with reality, what matters is what they believe in and no amount of proof against it could make it waver. If anything, it makes you a heretic for bringing it up.
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Oh please yes.
I can only repeat myself: Whoever loses. We win.