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Cutting the Cord? Time Warner Loses 184,000 TV Subscribers In One Quarter 392

Mr D from 63 (3395377) writes Time Warner Cable's results have been buoyed recently by higher subscriber numbers for broadband Internet service. In the latest period, however, Time Warner Cable lost 184,000 overall residential customer relationships [Note: non-paywalled coverage at Bloomberg and Reuters]. The addition of 92,000 residential high-speed data customers was offset by 184,000 fewer residential video customers in the quarter. Triple play customers fell by 24,000, while residential voice additions were 14,000.
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Cutting the Cord? Time Warner Loses 184,000 TV Subscribers In One Quarter

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  • by i kan reed ( 749298 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:34AM (#48269499) Homepage Journal

    And I asked myself quite reasonably, "Why the fuck do I have cable TV?"

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:44AM (#48269597)

      Exactly. Minimum basic cable price (if I don't want to sell my entire soul to the cableco) where I am is $39.48 + $3.99 for a converter box + 13% taxes + some other silly fees I've forgotten about (LPIF?), every month. Ends up about $54. As encouragement for me to never sign up again, they'll punish me with a $49.99 one time bonus fee.

      Primewire, netflix and even sometimes the sites for the stations themselves gives me all the content I need (no hulu in my country). I'd actually pay $20 for what I watch on top of Netflix, but it has to be equally convenient and unlimited to what I get now, and typically anything I've seen isn't. Basic cable is a joke.

      Cable TV can DIAF.

      • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:02AM (#48269799)

        Minimum basic cable price (if I don't want to sell my entire soul to the cableco) where I am is $39.48 + $3.99 for a converter box

        They blatantly lie and claim that the box is "necessary" "because digital", but it isn't. The real reason they want you to use the box is because of their unilateral insistence on encrypting even the signals that you'd otherwise be able to get unencrypted from an antenna anyway, so that they can charge you a rental fee. But even then, it still isn't necessary because you can get a CableCard instead.

        When I had cable TV (only because the TV + internet bundle was cheaper than internet-only that year), I refused the box (and refused to be charged for the box) as a matter of principle.

        • by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:21AM (#48270065) Homepage
          GP said they weren't in the US, so CableCard might not be an option. I am in Canada and nobody here offers CableCard, which is why we had to give up TiVo when it came time to get an HDTV. TiVo is CableCard only (and there's a good reason for it). The real reason they want to encrypt everything is to rent you the DVR.
          • by Yaztromo ( 655250 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @12:49PM (#48270979) Homepage Journal

            I was in the same boat you were. I was a very happy TiVo customer here in Canada, until we moved to an HDTV.

            The funny thing was having to try to convince the customer service woman at TiVo that no, I couldn't upgrade to TiVo HD. The concept that I couldn't get a CableCard from my local provider was so alien to her that I had to explain it several times (and even point her to TiVo's own webpage explaining why TiVo HD wasn't available in Canada). Even then I don't think she was quite convinced.

            I guess that TiVo had so few Canadian customers that she really hadn't had to deal with the situation before. I still miss out old TiVo; the Motorola box we got from Shaw is great for 1080p video and Dolby Digital audio (neither of which our TiVo 2 could handle); but the user interface and software absolutely suck compared to the TiVo. It's always trying to do dumb stuff, like start a new scheduled recording on the tuner I'm using to watch something, even though nothing is being recorded (or is scheduled to record) on the other tuner at the time; menus you can't move back up from (even if you're several screens down, if you need to go up one menu you frequently (but not always!) have to exit entirely and start over again, drilling back down to where you wanted to be), not being able to filter out all the myriad of channels we don't get form the listings (I've simulated this by setting up a "favourites" list containing only those channels we get, but the way the interface is setup managing this when a few channels change often means I have to remove the favourites list and start over again), and ugly, ugly on-screen graphics (crappy fonts with no smoothing, no built-in upscaling for SD channels, so the entire UI changes to a more compressed version to fit within 480p, etc.). I could probably go on all day. I believe they have better boxes available now, but as I had to buy this one, I don't see it as worthwhile to "upgrade" to another non-TiVo box that is probably equally crappy.

            Yaz

        • by tepples ( 727027 )
          How does CableCARD work for video on demand or for less popular channels that have been moved to switched video?
        • by macromorgan ( 2020426 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @12:28PM (#48270755)

          Minimum basic cable price (if I don't want to sell my entire soul to the cableco) where I am is $39.48 + $3.99 for a converter box

          They blatantly lie and claim that the box is "necessary" "because digital", but it isn't. The real reason they want you to use the box is because of their unilateral insistence on encrypting even the signals that you'd otherwise be able to get unencrypted from an antenna anyway, so that they can charge you a rental fee. But even then, it still isn't necessary because you can get a CableCard instead.

          When I had cable TV (only because the TV + internet bundle was cheaper than internet-only that year), I refused the box (and refused to be charged for the box) as a matter of principle.

          They are prohibited by FCC mandate from encrypting over the air channels, those must be broadcast "in the clear", and with the copy protect flag set to "copy freely". You just need a tuner capable of grabbing Clear QAM signals to view it (some TVs but not all). If you see a violation of this you can report it to the FCC and they'll get in big trouble. As for the rest of the channels, Time Warner Cable is objectively the worst cable provider, in that they encrypt ALL channels (excluding the Discovery Channel) that they aren't required to decrypt by law. They also set the copy protect flag to "copy once" on all channels except those they are required not to by law. Comcast is a better TV provider than Time Warner Cable, and that's saying something. Comcast uses the copy protect flag more sparingly, and offers more Clear QAM channels. If the merger goes through the only silver lining is that my TV will get better (while my Internet gets far worse... fucking data caps should not exist on wired broadband).

          • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Thursday October 30, 2014 @01:30PM (#48271485)

            They are prohibited by FCC mandate from encrypting over the air channels

            Nope. [fcc.gov]

            Comcast is a better TV provider than Time Warner Cable, and that's saying something. Comcast uses the copy protect flag more sparingly, and offers more Clear QAM channels.

            Also, nope. In my area, Comcast started encrypting everything, including over the air channels, over a year ago.

            Time Warner Cable is objectively the worst cable provider

            LOL, you poor, naive fool. You only think that because you haven't experienced the Hell that is Comcast "customer service." I've filed multiple BBB complaints. I once almost got arrested by the sheriff's deputy Comcast hires to guard their office from irate customers -- that's how bad they are!

            Comcast is so bad that I've even resorted to lobbying local politicians to try to kick them out of my city.

            If you see a violation of this you can report it to the FCC and they'll get in big trouble.

            I tried. In my case, Comcast started encrypting (some of the) OTA channels weeks before sending the notice required by Title 47 Section 76.630 (a)(1)(v) (look it up!). I filed a complaint with the FCC, and heard nothing whatsofuckingever.

            The FCC is in Comcast's pocket.

      • by Adriax ( 746043 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:13AM (#48269965)

        Local cable company recently swapped to a completely digital signal so everyone had to rent a new tuner box for every TV in their house (at something like $10 a month each). We stopped using cable but my dad kept with it.
        One thing he noticed is his internet connection went to (even more) shit after the change. So he disconnected all the TVs yesterday and wired it so the cable signal just goes to the modem.
        3x the download speeds and half the ping time, plus he loved not having to deal with constant commercials as he watched the news on his computer.

        Cable companies are shooting themselves in the foot trying to squeeze a couple extra drops of revenue out of people.

    • by TWX ( 665546 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:49AM (#48269629)
      Yup. We got rid of cable TV something like five years ago. Keeping it was already in jeopardy when I realized I was coming home from work and watching four hours of CSI every evening on Spike, and starting to see reruns of episodes that I could have sworn were just shown, and the straw that broke the camel's back was the removal of Turner Classic Movies from our cable package. Since getting rid of cable we've found ourselves actually engaging in our hobbies again, as opposed to just passively staring at the screen.

      A lady at work the other day didn't seem to know that one could still receive over-the-air broadcasts for television. I wonder how many people don't realize this and are paying for TV that they don't want or need.
      • I've been seriously considering cutting it myself.

        I've been toying with the idea of setting up a HD external to the home antenna, and hooking it to a MythTV box for local HD stuff.

        And with Netflix and Amazon Prime that would cover about 95% of what I usually watch. I'm pissed that there are really no cooking shows anymore on FoodTV or Cooking Channel, just contest and reality crap.

        The only thing I'd miss from my cutting the cord...are the cable new networks. I figure between watching MSNBC, FoxNews and C

        • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:06AM (#48269853)

          I figure between watching MSNBC, FoxNews and CNN...I get some idea of the truth between them all.

          Only if you want news biased to a conservative, American ego-centric sources.

          If you think you're getting the truth by watching those three sources, you're sadly mistaken.

          CNN hasn't been an objective source of news for over a decade now. Fox never was.

          Add some international stuff to your news, because with only 3 US sources, you're pretty far from objective truth and balanced coverage.

          • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

            by cayenne8 ( 626475 )

            Only if you want news biased to a conservative, American ego-centric sources.

            If you think you're getting the truth by watching those three sources, you're sadly mistaken. CNN hasn't been an objective source of news for over a decade now. Fox never was.

            Add some international stuff to your news, because with only 3 US sources, you're pretty far from objective truth and balanced coverage.

            Well, I"m not that interested frankly, in the news of the world for the most part...why would I?

            I don't expect that

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

              But really....I watch a swath of new channels from the right (Fox) to the far left (MSNBC) and the more moderate ones....and try to get my own sense of balance between all of them.

              heh heh MSNBC far left HAHAHAHAHAHA

              This is what you get when you depend on video for news, you can think that centrists are leftists

            • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:30AM (#48270145)

              Well, I"m not that interested frankly, in the news of the world for the most part...why would I?

              Because understanding the difference between what get said inside the echo chamber that is America, and what gets said outside of America might actually help you understand that Americans only see the world through their own lens. And they're frequently clueless as a result.

              .I watch a swath of new channels from the right (Fox) to the far left (MSNBC)

              If you think Fox and MSNBC define the right and the left ... then you really are a clueless American. What passes for 'left' in America is pretty severely to the right in the rest of the world.

              But what happens outside of the US, has very little impact on the average US citizens life....

              Not true.

              Know all those pesky little wars you've been getting into over the last few decades? The reaons, rationale, and historical context for all of those are pretty much entirely different inside and outside of the US.

              Americans think "Oh, we went in and saved the world". The rest of the world think, "Oh, here come the naive fucking Americans who think they're saving the world, but really doing sound-bite foreign policy with no real understanding of the issues".

              The next time your government tells you you're going to war for a reason, you might actually know if it's a lie.

              Despite claims to the contrary, the US does not intervene on moral, humanitarian, or principled stances ... they intervene purely on the basis of strategic oil, and what plays well in the domestic market.

              America isn't the champion of democracy and freedom they like to think they are, America actively undermines those things elsewhere in the world.

              And then when they do, they often impose conservative, American, Christian values on their aid ... like allowing Monsanto corn to be given as aid, with the expectation starving people won't keep seeds ... or disallowing any form of access to birth control even if it would benefit poor women around the world ... or any number of reasons.

              America isn't nearly as good or perfect as the people who live there like to think.

              And part of the problem is you haven't got the slightest idea of what is happening in the world around you.

              At a minimum, you might understand the reasons why people dislike you. And then you might actually be collectively aware enough to stop being such assholes.

              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                by cayenne8 ( 626475 )

                If you think Fox and MSNBC define the right and the left ... then you really are a clueless American. What passes for 'left' in America is pretty severely to the right in the rest of the world.

                And precisely why would I give a fuck what is "right" and "left" in other parts of the world?

                If I wanted to live in a left leaning, more socialist part of the world, I would.

                I prefer the US.

                I will agree, the US and its polices aren't the "good guy" ones of the past, I blame that on corporate money takeover of our

        • by TWX ( 665546 )
          I suspect that if you do cut the cord without having the MythTV backend (I was planning on doing EXACTLY the same thing, still haven't completed it!) that you really won't miss it in the end.

          You don't have to catch 'em all. Your life will go on if you miss some TV.

          As for cooking shows, PBS has a LOT of shows on, and many are quite good.
          • by Quirkz ( 1206400 ) <ross @ q u irkz.com> on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:22AM (#48270069) Homepage

            I actually feel like I gained something by the number of commercials I'm avoiding, far in excess of any entertainment possibly lost by cutting the cord. Occasionally if we travel or we're at someone's house and the TV is on, my three-year-old daughter asks me what's going on when there's a commercial and the show isn't playing. I think it's kind of awesome she's confused by them, rather than considering them part of life.

            Occasionally I'll go over-air to catch a football game, but I've hit the point where after seeing the same commercials five times in fifteen minutes, I get bored and wander off, and then forget to come back for twenty minutes, invariably at another commercial break, and wander off again. It's a refreshing new way of life.

        • I'm pissed that there are really no cooking shows anymore on FoodTV or Cooking Channel, just contest and reality crap.

          Really? They even fucked up the Cooking Channel? Damn.

          On the bright side, PBS has cooking shows, Good Eats is on Netflix now (not to mention Youtube, of course), and Food Network show episodes are available on their website.

          I figure between watching MSNBC, FoxNews and CNN...I get some idea of the truth between them all.

          LOL. If you want actual news, subscribe to your local paper.

        • We're on the edge of cord cutting also. We do watch some shows on cable TV, but those few shows could be replaced by purchasing them from Amazon VOD. (Or waiting a season for them to come on Netflix or Amazon Prime.) The main reason we haven't cut the cord yet is because our cable company gave us a good deal ($85 a month). If we went to Internet Only from Cable + Internet, we'd save $50 a month. After you factor in purchasing shows we'd want to keep watching, we'd be down to about $35 a month savings.

      • by RobinH ( 124750 )
        When I tell people we don't have cable TV, and just stream, they're always interested in it, but few of them want to compromise. When I tell them you can't easily get sports though, then they usually say, "that wouldn't work for me." Plus, I know a lot of people that have tried streaming on their own, and they definitely end up on the "wrong" site and end up with a malware infested nightmare on their PC. We just stick with Netflix and Hulu mostly, with the occasional "rented" streamed new release and we
      • I cut the cord four years ago. When I moved into my new place I had nothing but trouble with cable (half the time half my channels wouldn't work.) Umpteen tech visits later, I even had three different techs say the cable from the street to my house was damaged (underground cabling in my neighbourhood.) I was actually injured and basically bedridden at the time and it was basically the only thing I could use other than my laptop occasionally (weight on my legs = killer pain.) Anyway, they didn't want to fix

    • Because a lot of cable companies charge less per month for Internet + basic TV than for Internet alone. Or because sporting events usually end up blacked out online for people who don't subscribe to the pay TV channel on which it is shown in your area.
    • Yep.

      I haven't had cable or satellite since 2009, and it is still a weird experience when I encounter it again.
      Good lord what a load of crap on all those channels...

      What I ask myself is, "why the fuck do people have cable or satellite?"
      • Well, they could be the remaining populace of invertebrates who like the reality shows that permeate 97% of cable television.

        300 channels, and they're all variations on "look at these stupid people act dumb and laugh as if you're better than them."

    • The main reason I have cable tv is that is my areas best/affordable way to get internet.
      I would welcome alternatives to Cable in Rural areas.

  • Anyplace people have an option they take it. As far as I can see they only have one legitimate purpose which is to encourage distrust in the local governments that so egregiously ignored the needs of their communities.

  • The writing has been on the wall for several years now. Traditional TV viewing is going to be extinct in the near future. Too many people want to move to mobile devices, have video on demand, and other options. The cable/distribution companies need to get on board or die with the old business model. There are at least a few signs that they're starting to understand that.

    • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:46AM (#48269609) Journal

      Yes, but their "solution" seems to be lobby Congress to preserve their sixty year old business model, not actually innovate.

      • by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:49AM (#48269633) Homepage

        Yes, but their "solution" seems to be lobby Congress to preserve their sixty year old business model, not actually innovate.

        They didn't get where they are by innovating.

        They got there by lobbying Congress in the first place.

      • by pla ( 258480 )
        Yes, but their "solution" seems to be lobby Congress to preserve their sixty year old business model, not actually innovate.

        Not really much congress can do about this one (short of requiring everyone to pay for cable TV or incur a tax penalty).

        People will simply no longer put up with ever-increasing prices for enormous bundles of services they don't want. How often do we hear people bemoan the fact that they watch three channels but pay for three hundred? Well, at some point, people realize that they
    • by jmyers ( 208878 )

      Or maybe "Traditional TV viewing" is coming back in that people are going to over the air for local channels/major networks and internet for everyhting else. At least that is what I see with my peer group.

      • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

        Yes. But that is precisely the kind of TV that is the easiest to automate with a DVR. The tech is nice and simple and DRM free. Anyone can do it. There are no stumbling blocks that make it the sole domain of Microsoft and Tivo.

    • Sports is the primary thing that keeps a lot of people on cable. If there were ever an alternative for live sports, the whole package thing would come crashing down.
    • by TWX ( 665546 )
      There's really no reason for content distributors to stop making content available.

      What I think should happen, is that if viewers still are willing to accept the idea of timeslots like television broadcasts have, that once the content goes up for broadcast, then that content remains accessible from that point forth, with the ability for the content provider to change-out the ads between acts. There's no reason to have to wait for another broadcast window or to have to delay allowing on-demand viewing of
      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        There's really no reason for content distributors to stop making content available.

        Then explain Disney's periodic sales moratoriums on copies of its films. And explain its continuing sales moratorium on copies of the film Song of the South.

  • That's really weird that TW lost 186k subscribers last quarter, because my project came in $186k overbudget last quarter. Coincidence?

  • by Lilith's Heart-shape ( 1224784 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:48AM (#48269623) Homepage
    Which is reason enough to ditch cable TV.
  • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:49AM (#48269637) Homepage

    My Internet still has a cord. I'm fine with that.

    Also, those so-called "cord cutters" are probably still buying their internet from Time Warner.

    • by theVP ( 835556 ) *
      Well that's just it.

      Look, I'm not a lover of cable companies, and I think they regularly and historically have engaged in some really shitty business and billing practices. But at some point, displacing all of their consumption from TV to Internet, whilst utilizing the same infrastructure (and clamoring for infrastructure upgrades), is going to create pressure to increase Internet prices.

      There seems to be a lot of people here who would rather see them drop dead, and again, I can understand they're no
  • The fact of the matter is that I don't have much of a choice as do most people don't. I only recently got AT&T Uverse in my area, it didn't look that much better according to my neighbors. Their TV offerings are better but their Internet is worse. We have a smaller cable company in the city which has a great reputation and service but not offered in my area.

    Cable: Time Warner (available but sucks)
    AT&T Uverse (available but sucks)
    Verizon not available
    Comcast not available
    Other cable company n
    • You have more options than I do. No DSL, satellite blocked by trees............... only Time Warner Ca-bull. Best I can do is threaten to leave every once in a while and try to get a retention rate.
    • by PRMan ( 959735 )
      DirecTV (HughesNet) and Dish also have internet, as do Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T on wireless if you can get any of them in 4G.
      • Satellite Internet can be very expensive. Wireless Internet (Verizon Wireless, AT&T, Sprint, etc) typically comes with a hard cap (e.g. 10GB) and is very expensive (especially if you get overage fees). Just try watching a couple of Netflix videos every day on your cell phone connection and see how quickly you hit your cap.

    • not offered in my area

      Apparently sglewis100 [slashdot.org], an AC [slashdot.org], Zero__Kelvin [slashdot.org], and allquixotic [slashdot.org] think moving to an area with better Internet options is worthwhile.

  • Cable TV provided so little value for the money all I've noticed is the thousands of dollars I've saved over the years. With Netflix, Amazon Prime and an antenna, I've not really missed anything of value.

    I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop when the last bastion of why anyone would pay for cable -- live sports -- starts to have an effective streaming model that Joe Sixpack can easily use. The current model with blackouts and IP restrictions that require VPNs and other nonsense throw up too many barri

    • SInce Disney owns ESPN, they can hold us sports addicts hostage to their content packages. College Sports could move to more of their own networks, but right now those are basically ESPN affiliations. The NFL or NBA might lead the charge if they found they could get greater revenue via their own distributions, but they are making big $$ now and not likely to take any risks.

      Maybe Netflix could branch to live content. That would become interesting.
  • by Nemosoft Unv. ( 16776 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:53AM (#48269683)

    I just got off the phone ending my cable subscription when I saw this post. Perfect timing :)

    The reason is different, though. While I am not a customer of Time Warmer (different country), I realised that I wasn't needing it anymore. Or more precisely: there's nothing of interest on it for me. I watch perhaps 3 hour a month; the few things I want to see (mostly news, a few background programs) I can watch on free-to-air. So I'm saving about $20 a month now, which I might use for a cinema ticket or so.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one... Perhaps there's more to cable-cutting than just rising cost.

  • by Moof123 ( 1292134 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:56AM (#48269709)

    I am rooting for a death spiral. There are so many cable channels that would die a very quick death in any sort of ala carte system where they actually had to compete. The system has been cable system has been setup to extract maximum dollars, while providing very low quality (maximizing profit). I'd much rather see an ala carte system with a few very good premium channels, along with some scrappy quirky channel, and let the invisible hand slap down the rest. I want to be able to get HBO without ESPN, QVC, TLC,CNN, Fox News, etc. Get it down to a handful of good channels that i pick out for $20 a month and I might sign back up.

    For now I watch a few things on Hulu and Netflix, and buy dozen or so DVD's a year. I am pretty happy with what I get for the money, and I am very glad that ESPN doesn't get one red cent from me.

  • by psycho12345 ( 1134609 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @10:56AM (#48269717)
    Anecdotally, I never watch TV and I'm 27, part of a fairly large generation/cohort that has shown to be very unlikely to adopt TV. Ran into a classmate from high school and the story was the same, she doesn't even OWN a TV, let alone TV service. Like me she gets everything online. On the non anecdotal, it is telling when they are routinely, for the last 4 years running that I know of, the winners or runner up to the most hated companies in the US, with their customer service rated below everyone in their industries (Both TV and Internet Service), and are rated below even banks. I think that really is amazing and has to be sinking in, that people rate their ISP and TV service below those who arguably have committed massive criminal behavior and can strip people of their homes. Mind you, in this day and age, being stripped of Internet Service, while no where near as bad as losing ones shelter, is a pretty crippling blow to economic and educational opportunity and in some cases, denies you even basic functioning life since some government functions are moving to be purely online. Even in the case where it is not, the sheer difference in what you have to devote time to without an internet connection represents a massive drawback (Imagine having to personally drive or transport to pay all bills, as well call business to ascertain information, as well as conduct any government business of any kind, such as taxes or drivers license).
  • by Russ1642 ( 1087959 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:02AM (#48269805)

    I haven't had cable for eight years. Haven't missed it one bit. The very idea of letting TV schedule when I can sit and watch is ridiculous. Same goes for a DVR, where you have to both know about a show before it airs and set up the DVR to record it. Netflix has a terrible selection here in Canada so I tried that for whatever the trial period was and then ditched it. Turns out I ALWAYS have better things to do than watch TV, and when I give in to the urge I just hit up a torrent site.

    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      >> Same goes for a DVR, where you have to both know about a show before it airs and set up the DVR to record it.

      Not since the 90's.
      I just type in program titles and keywords (e.g. the name of my home town) I'm interested in into my mythtv box and it records matching shows whenever they air on any channel. I haven't actually set up a recording for months.

      • But you have to set it up BEFORE the show airs. Say you bump into a coworker on Monday who says he saw a great show the day before. You can't get it because you didn't know about it on and record it. It's ridiculous.

    • While the selection of Netflix Canada still is nowhere near par with the U.S.A. version, it's a whole lot better than it was at the beginning. And for the price they're asking, it's still better than renting half a dozen DVDs per month.

      • It costs more and has lower selection and usability than ThePirateBay.

        • by ArcadeMan ( 2766669 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:37AM (#48270227)

          1. Netflix costs more than The Pirate Bay: true
          2. Netflix has a lower selection than The Pirate Bay: true, including and especially the latest releases and obscure titles (if they're still seeded)
          3. Netflix has less usability than The Pirate Bay: false*

          * Netflix is just plain easier. I can sit down in front of the TV, start my AppleTV, navigate to something I want to watch, click play.

          To do the same thing with The Pirate Bay, I'd have to sit at my computer, search their website, filter out all the weird containers like DivX and MKV, try to find a non-HD file that would take multiple hours to download, make sure the MP4 version I choose has subtitles and will play on my AppleTV, download the file, wait for at least 30 to 60 minutes for the download, add to my iTunes library and then finally watch the movie on my TV. That's nowhere near as convenient as Netflix.

          • To do the same thing with The Pirate Bay, I'd have to sit at my computer, search their website, filter out all the weird containers like DivX and MKV, try to find a non-HD file that would take multiple hours to download, make sure the MP4 version I choose has subtitles and will play on my AppleTV, download the file, wait for at least 30 to 60 minutes for the download, add to my iTunes library and then finally watch the movie on my TV.

            Half the stuff in that list is the fault of the Apple TV, not The Pirate B

  • I was a TW customer for some time and then moved to a place where my only cable choice is Comcast. I can tell you from experience that TW was a vastly better product. Comcast is getting better, but I still got a better product for less money (and free service calls on top of it) through TW than what I get from Comcast.

    TW customers should be breathing a sigh of relief that the merger didn't go through; Comcast customers are disappointed that they missed out on a possible chance at a better product.

    That said, there is still almost nothing on TV worth watching. This is becoming increasingly a fault of the cable companies as they go about buying up networks so that they can provide various degrees of exclusive content.
    • "TW customers should be breathing a sigh of relief that the merger didn't go through; Comcast customers are disappointed that they missed out on a possible chance at a better product."

      Are you posting from the future?

  • Bang for Your Buck (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Cable TV is pretty expensive for what you get, it's full of ads you can't really choose what content you want, etc. It has to become competitive to survive.... well that's how it should work but then the music industry was also faced with this conundrum ~15 years ago and I think they chose to lobby their way into survival, I expect the same song and dance from Cable.

  • by Nelson ( 1275 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @11:12AM (#48269949)

    We had a baby in 2010, cut the cord because we didn't want to contaminate him will all the bullshit. Sports is the only thing we remotely miss..

    This is very easy to stop if they want, cut out the reality shit, produce quality content. Make the news news again with a bit less opinion. And by quality content, I'd say figuring out Law and Order and CSI and then making n versions of those shows in different cities probably isn't good enough. No more American Idol type crap. Like real quality entertainment, like dramas and comedies. I'd gladly pay for a news channel and 5 to 10 channels with good quality stuff on it.

    That takes money, takes risk and takes some intelligence to try to suss out the good from the bad. Thus I predict it won't happen, not from the current batch of media and distribution companies. They're too fat and lazy and used to just cashing checks.

    • by IMightB ( 533307 )

      I had a child roughtly the same time, at ~3 yo his absolute faviroute thing is watching Monster trucks on you tube..... We Also do all the TMBG Kids videos. He loves "I am A Paleontoligist" It't whoi I am It's who I am It's who I am!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    TV is going through a wierd shift right now.

    It's both the very best it's ever been and the very worst. There are a handful of very very very high quality shows. Honestly the most well produced, well written, entertaining, amazing video ever made and rivals even the best cinema.

    The rest is crap. Really really really crap. Repulsive, base, cheaply made, immoral, sensational, manipulative, pandering shlock that insults your intelligence. Well, it's not all as bad as Fox News but it's not much better either.

    At

  • Why the surprise? (Score:4, Informative)

    by XB-70 ( 812342 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @12:51PM (#48271013)
    When a product sucks, people stop buying it.
  • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Thursday October 30, 2014 @01:31PM (#48271521) Journal

    > Time Warner Cable lost 184,000 overall residential customer relationships

    Couldn't happen to a nicer company.

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