Feds Arrest GeneSimmons.Com Attacker 180
gManZboy writes "Federal authorities have arrested an alleged member of Anonymous in connection with an "Operation Payback" attack against the website of Kiss bassist Gene Simmons. The charges stem from a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack against Simmons' website over a five-day period in 2010. Simmons apparently drew the ire of the Anonymous set after he lambasted their peer-to-peer (P2P) downloading proclivities during a 2010 MIPCOM entertainment content media conference panel discussion, where he lamented the failure of the music industry 'to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded material.'"
Why DDoS Simmons Site? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not a lot of people really visit these sites anyway. If you want to lambaste the guy do it on twitter or facebook.
Advice to Gene Simmons - don't make China angry.
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In a series of brief interview excerpts shown on Entertainment Weekly's [ew.com] website, celebrities are asked what the best gifts they received were:
BRITNEY SPEARS - ''This little butterfly necklace I got from my little sister. She always liked butterflies.''
GENE SIMMONS - ''Shares in Krispy Kreme. I made a handsome profit.''
My heart goes out to the captured anon and I hope that Gene takes a
He is a marketing genius (Score:4, Insightful)
You name it and he has s KISS logo slapped on it, everything from coffins to condoms...
Re:He is a marketing genius (Score:5, Insightful)
Gene is amazing at marketing.
Gotta love him.
No. No you don't.
Re:He is a marketing genius (Score:5, Informative)
I do admire his ability to stand out as one of the biggest assholes in rock, a field DOMINATED by huge assholes. It's like he's dedicated his whole life to being the most selfish, arrogant prick on the planet--with great success. I almost think that being a musician was just a means to that real end. I picture him telling his fellow kindergarteners "When I grow up, I want to be the biggest douchebag in the world."
Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh wow, you didn't even post the even more stark comparison with the one below his:
Really, Gene? Did you really need those Krispy Kreme shares? Were you hit by high cocaine prices that trashed your savings?
Mods, please stop hitting the parent post with flamebait tags, it really is insightful about Gene Simmons.
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Your first statement demonstrates you are anything but insightful about Gene Simmons.
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Boo hoo, did I hurt your feeling by making fun of your favorite clown? At least if it was cocaine he would have an excuse.
Just looked this idiot up, he supposedly claims never to have done drugs? I guess he has no excuse then, other than "I'm greedy as fuck"
But not knowing by memory the personal lives of washed-up has-beens from the 70s means it's not "insightful" to point out that he's a douchebag? You and other celebrity fanboys are sick.
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wow, and KISS fanboi. They where a joke band, all about the show. Never serious. Why anyone would be such a fanboi of 70's rock star is beyond me.
And for reference, yes I was a KISS fan, yes I had their albums.
Nothing the OP said was even remotely slanderous.
Asking a question isn't slanderous.
Yes, his cocaine remark was off base, but everything else is accurate.
" wildly entertaining "man, you have a really low bar... or you're 13... which is basically the same thing, but excusable.
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Didnt realize (or really care) that he was Jewish. Just thought he was an all around jerk... But hey his music is decent...
The lead singer for a band that epitomized monetizing music and you somehow think him being Jewish has any bearing on the matter. Maybe he is just a greedy person? You do realize that greedy people exist right? If you didnt realize he was a jerk long ago you were seriously not paying attention...
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The lead singer for a band that epitomized monetizing music and you somehow think him being Jewish has any bearing on the matter.
His point was that it furthers a negative stereotype. He wasn't bashing Jews, he was bashing Gene Simmons for making his race look bad. Hell, if I were Jewish I'd probably make the same remark. The fact is that there are jerks of all races, and if you're a stereotypical jerk, regardless of race or stereotype, you're making your own people look bad.
Yeah but what a hot shiksa wife! (Score:2)
Oh wait, that was his daughter.
Here is Gene Klein's hot shiksa wife [iofferphoto.com].
Well, ok, maybe his daughter is hotter than her mother. Must be Gene's genes working their magic for the next generation.
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Assuming you meant "could you explain what a person's religion has to do with the way he behaves" and not the ungrammatical tripe you actually wrote, surely the answer is quite a lot.
Isn't that the point of religions - getting people to do this and not do that, for various values of this and that?
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could you explain what does it has to do the religion of a human being with the way that person behaves?
While I agree with your general sentiment, I think you're taking it a bit far by asserting that religion has NO bearing on a person's behavior. I'm pretty sure most Muslim terrorists wouldn't have ended up blowing themselves up in crowded malls if they had been raised Unitarians.
Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? (Score:4, Funny)
Advice to Gene Simmons - don't make China angry.
Why would China be angry with Gene, where do you think the crap he sells is made?
Proxies (Score:5, Funny)
Guess 7 isn't enough.
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excellent (Score:4, Insightful)
I cannot think of a better use of taxpayer money.
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Interesting how nobody in the banking community who caused so much hardship for America, Europe and the rest of the world got arrested, and yet the authorities spent years tracking down a "freckle faced kid" who hacked a useless website.
We all know were the priorities of government and industry lie [newworldorderreport.com].
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I agree that they fucked things up, but going into witch-hunt mode might not be desirable.
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How about they start with Jamie Dimon (fraud: robo-signing), Lloyd Blankfein (fraud: MBS sales), and throw in Hank Paulson (coercion, fraud) [blogspot.com] for good measure?
That you would let these complete and total unethical assholes off the hook so easily is extremely disturbing. I sincerely hope you are just trolling. When you wake up one day and wonder why everything went to hell, look at the actions of the above people and realize they were major contributors to it. Not just them either, thousands like them, hiding in the shadows of legal grey areas, loopholes, and outright purchased freedom from prosecution. Steal trillions of dollars and claim it's a-ok because they managed to skirt the law through arcane convolution that prosecutors couldn't understand. Issue threats like "tanks in the streets" whenever regulation or prosecution talk was brought up.
These individuals are truly worthy of the title "financial terrorist".
Oh, and fuck gene simmons. Another worthless stain on capitalism's bathroom floor.
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Since you are AC and offer no actual proof.
Anonymous Coward(fraud: liar and troll)
see, easy.
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Do you really think that Raj Rajaratnam and the few people around him in Galleon who pleaded guilty are the only people in hedge funds making money from insider trading?
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And they've found no one to arrest. Of course, being that they aren't arresting any top bankers, etc, now it's a conspiracy. "But asking ME who I would go after sounds like a Troll."
Well, no. Since you're AC, you could be anyone.
"Interesting how nobody in the banking community who caused
But, let's play. You see, you asked (obliquely) why the feds weren't pursuing people in the banking communi
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Troll
A meaningless word tossed around in Internet disputes.
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No doubt there are truly trollish posts, but look at how the word is actually being used. It has become meaningless for all practical purposes, especially in any kind of Internet debate.
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Stop spreading the lie. People have gone to jail, and more are going through the court system.
You know, it's easy not to find anyone who went to jail when you don't look.
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Quoth, Gene Simmons:
One possibly better use of taxpayer money would be a Predator strike on Gene Simmons' house, then making sure that his progeny are all imprisoned, to the seventh generation.
I do believe however, that lenience should be shown to the eighth generation, because to do otherwise would be overkill.
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"Show"? There's a "show"? I had no idea.
My desire to see a predator strike on Gene Simmons has nothing to do with any "show".
Re:excellent (Score:5, Funny)
Why shouldn't the predator strike be a public performance? You want to be the sole witness? You selfish bastard.
Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (Score:3)
Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (Score:5, Funny)
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Gwar actually has talent unlike Kiss. Sure their vulgar lyrics, ridiculous costumes and whacky stage performances most likely keep them out of the mainstream, but fuck they are awesome. Only show I can go to and really have a good laugh. Its like a musical comedy.
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Their live shows may be more infamous than their music, but that isn't to say GWAR didn't have a few good songs. Don't be shy now, it won't bite. You can have a listen and decide for yourself.
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As a child of the 70's and 80's, I can unequivocally state the following:
KISS was a lot of make-up-wearing poofters.
Notice the WAS. That is because Gene Simmons is a HAS-BEEN.
Gene Simmons FTL.
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KISS was a has-been in 1985. It's a has-has-has-has-been by now, and KISS has basically been Paul Stanley's vehicle for a couple of decades anyways.
Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (Score:5, Interesting)
People point out that there are some very good bands that have never made the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Rush and Yes for two). Then they mention that Kiss hasn't either, and all the Rush and Yes fans realize the process isn't completely broken and chill.
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Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? (Score:4, Funny)
What's a record, grandpa?
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An item or collection of data:
Gramophone record (also called "phonograph record"), mechanical analog audio storage medium
Record (computer science), a data structure
Storage record, a basic input/output structure
Record (database), a set of fields in a database related to one entity
Boot record, record used to start an operating system
Document for administrative use
Business record of economic transactions
Medical record of a person's medical history and treatments
Service record, usually associated with military
Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass (Score:5, Informative)
Just listen to some of the shit he says to Terry Gross:
http://www.erim.net/archives/gene-simmons-and-terry-gross-inteview [erim.net]
Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass (Score:5, Informative)
Your link has a typo. Working link:
http://www.erim.net/archives/gene-simmons-and-terry-gross-interview [erim.net]
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I enjoyed the first 2/3rds of the headline very much.
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I listened to the whole interview, and I thought it was a kick. He's obviously very insecure, and he's projecting a manufactured persona, but he's also pretty funny.
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Some of that is a persona, especially the part where he acts like he's trying to get into Terry's pants, but I think a lot of what he says is unadulterated truth. He's honest in that he's just putting on a show with Kiss. He's honest that men like to sleep with a lot of women. He's honest that money is important.
It was also interesting when he was talking about his childhood and how he rejected his Jewish upbringing after coming to America. Overall it was a good interview, though a bit cringe-worthy in part
Gene SImmons (Score:4, Insightful)
is a has been ass who thinks the world owes him money.
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Re:Gene SImmons (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah... my hairy arse :)
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Who the hell would waste bandwidth on KISS shit? It's some of the crappiest most uninspired music I've ever heard. It's Samantha Black's "Friday" with guitars thrown in.
I can only imagine that KISS fandom is some kind of long-running gag like those people who dress up and recite lines at Rocky Horror Picture Show viewings. Seriously I can't imagine that any meaningful number of people ever enjoyed the music. It's just terrible, utterly boring, forgettable stuff.
Big surprise (Score:5, Interesting)
They fancy themselves hacktivists but they don't seem to try very hard at sending messages to the public, which I assume is who you'd like to reach if you think the entire government and corporate landscapes are irredeemably corrupt.
Bottom line, I don't get them. I don't think they have to be an absolutely coherent, focused force with an official spokesperson in a tie to be taken seriously, but they usually don't even seem like they're trying to change something; they're just fucking around and punishing people at random.
Re:Big surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
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...first they DDOS mid-east countries for trying to stop free speech, then they DDOS this guy when he exercises it?
Maybe they think free speech trumps copyright? Maybe they saw Gene's outburst as a direct attack against their freedoms? I don't know their motivations, but in any case I don't see anything inconsistent about their actions in your example. If somebody uses their freedom of speech to be a dick they have to live with the consequences. That has nothing to do with censorship.
Re:Big surprise (Score:5, Informative)
you do realize that "Anonymous" is just any person who calls themselves that, right?
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Anyway, they/we can focus on some things. Ask the Scientologists.
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Unless of course you do something dickish as part of anonymous, which is quite common. They're just a roving mob of thugs. Sometimes they attack someone who deserves it. Sometimes they attack someone who they thought deserves it, but is actually innocent. Sometimes they attack someone who did do something wrong, but their attacks are all out of proportion with the deserved punishment. Sometimes they just hurt random strangers for laughs.
They're basically a sterling example of why anarchist mob justice
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Re:Big surprise (Score:4, Interesting)
I see you fail to understand 'Anonymous'. There is no group, there are only individuals who choose to conduct a protest activity and donate the outcome of that activity to 'Anonymous' rather that taking individual or group credit for the activity.
So anyone at any time can conduct protest activity and proclaim that activity to be the work of 'Anonymous'. There is no group, no conspiracy, just individual choice to participate in protest activity. In the case of denial of service, nothing more than the temporary non-damaging disruption of a marketing channel and where more than one person participates, all that counts is the individual effort. So they must prove that the persons who was involved actually did disrupt, rather that the total efforts of many people ie you can not change one person with an outcome produce by many people, only their individual impact can be measured and whether that would have impacted the service.
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Blah blah blah, I can prove I'm enlightened and totally above this plebian shit if I just bitch about everyone equally without offering any solutions.
Did I sum up your argument well enough?
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The public isn't supposed to get it. "Anonymous" claims to be a hacker organization largely to troll media outlets and politicians, and it works surprisingly well. Just proves how useless big media is at actually investigating. The fact you can just decide to be Anonymous at any given time, and then cease to be, is lost upon almost everyone who isn't Anonymous.
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And nothing of value was lost (Score:5, Funny)
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Mr Simmons, asshole or not, appears to have had his rights to free speech violated by the attackers who prevented his website from functioning.
Gimmie a break, Mr. Mnky. Half of the country suffered exposure to this insufferable asshole's mean-spirited rant. Wasn't this Gene Sickens or whatever you call it anticipating a reply? I think that's a reasonable expectation to have when one spews vitriol directed towards the public at large.
From my perspective, the curtailment of free speech began when the FBI arrested a member of the public for allegedly participating in a public dialog that this crotchety old lizard initiated.
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The draconian measures that have been written into law concerning "computer crimes" versus any other type of crime, seem to me to be a knee jerk reaction to a problem that is/was beyond the means of the legislators ability to deal with it. As a result, they passed a special law concerning computer crime, that could have been framed within the context of any other number of already existing laws.
Sounds like they did the same thing with "hate crimes". A criminal act is a criminal act, regardless of motivation or means.
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Hate crimes are different because they are in effect an act of terrorism against a particular group. A typical premeditated murder, while awful, doesn't really affect most people. With the extremely rare exception of serial killers, premeditated murders tend to be very personal in nature, and not something the typical person needs to worry about. But if some white supremacists decide to go out and find a black person to kill, it sends a message the entire black community that they need to live in fear, o
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yep, you could torch simmons house and get away easier.
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Something struck me when you said:
15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid rock bands website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all.
Here, let's change out a single word and see how it all fits:
"15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid poor person's website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all."
or this:
"15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid nigger's website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all."
I think that your argum
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15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances.
ESPECIALLY considering that a man convicted of 11 felony counts of corruption, including selling Obama's Senate seat, got only a 14 year sentence. A friend who drove a cab was killed by an armed robber, who spent only two years in jail.
Fifteen years is way too long.
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I think he means that if we put your idea into practice, then there will be ways of using it to grief people and businesses. For example if you spoofed messages pretending to be from sites that a business needs, like one of their suppliers or their bank etc, you could effectively stop them from getting much done, and it wouldn't take anywhere near the level of resources as a DDoS. Or you could infect one machine at that business and send legitimate requests to block off these sites.
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Update: Common Sense has been missing for years, and is presumed dead.
Seriously (Score:2)
Legally or illegally, who in their right mind would download anything by Gene Simmons?
douche vs douche (Score:2)
i think gene simmons is a gigantic douche, but script kiddies are even worse.
seriously, a DDoS? all that b/w wasted sucks for everyone. lame.
KISS = worst rock band ever (Score:5, Funny)
You are wrong. The kids will grow out of it in a few years.
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bahahahahaha!
to really understand the success of KISS, you had to be around in the 1970's. black sabbath was still "underground" (far too scary for the masses), and music was still harmless, sappy, and/or depressing. kiss comes along and every 14-18 year old suddenly had a raging hard on to terrify their parents. sad to look at it this way, but KISS were the badasses of pop metal. and even the term metal is a stretch: their music was too melodic and "bluesy" to qualify. of course, when i see posters f
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All visual / theatrical stuff aside, KISS makes Slipknot look like a group of highbrow musical geniuses.
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to really understand the success of KISS, you had to be around in the 1970's. black sabbath was still "underground" (far too scary for the masses), and music was still harmless, sappy, and/or depressing. kiss comes along and every 14-18 year old suddenly had a raging hard on to terrify their parents.
If, as Wikipedia claims, KISS's major success started circa 1975, hadn't Alice Cooper already been successful doing something like that for four or so years already at that point (i.e. "scary-for-the-time" light-horror schtick enough to upset more conservative parents while still getting mainstream TV and radio exposure) ? And in a manner that would be more convincing to the 14-18 year olds you mention?
I'm neither American, nor old enough to remember Alice Cooper nor Kiss's keyday, but from what I underst
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Alice Cooper had been doing it for a while when KISS broke out, only they were vying for the mainstream audience where more money would be made, Cooper was still doing it for the performance aspect. KISS went for the teenagers, Cooper went for the adults.
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That's a good point, as I was a kiss fan when I was 10 but only because my +6 year older cousin and sister were into KISS. And my grandmother would enjoy watching us jump around their albums. Lol. Even she was into it, so I guess they were uber lame. At the time I remember Cooper was for the burnouts that cut class to smoke or get high, kiss was for the wannabees. Further, listening to them as I got older (much older!) I think Cooper was a real musician struggling to get his music out of his head, with
Waste of money. (Score:2)
Your taxes at work.
Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? (Score:4, Informative)
where he lamented the failure of the music industry 'to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded material
Wonder if he's so quick to lament the failure of manga publishers to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who traced material and then sold it as their own?
For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, look into Nick Simmons' "Incarnate". Not hard to find, just search for the words "Simmons" and "Incarnate" in a search engine and notice how many times the world "plagiarism" can turn up on a single results page.
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Thanks for the informative comment. Tasty tasty hypocrisy.
Found a nice link: http://bleachness.livejournal.com/446299.html [livejournal.com]
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HAHAHA hypocrisy overload! XD
Seriously, how did he think he could get away with that for even a second!?
For those of you not into anime/manga at all, this is like ripping off Star Wars 4-6 just after 6 came out, with scene-for-scene copies of all the most iconic parts. If anything it is worse than that. It will be hard for you to appreciate.
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HAHAHA hypocrisy overload!
Nick Simmons != Gene Simmons
Now if Gene tried to bullshit that what his son did was OK, then you'd have a point.
The Title Got My Hopes Up (Score:5, Interesting)
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Gene Simmons can suck it ....
Last I heard, he got involved in Wall Street stock trading as his new career .... so *any* whining coming from THAT corner about stealing, I turn a deaf ear to.
(I knew a guy who did I.T. for one of the major firms providing real-time stock quote services to Wall Street traders and he said he met Simmons at one of their parties he got invited to. He still kept KISS figurines on his desk at the firm, but was dressed up in your typical business suit and dress slacks/shoes -- which
Piracy piracy everywhere! (Score:2)
And then his son traced whole pages out of the Japanese manga 'Bleach' and proceeded to make his own even more terrible comic book out of it. Could that possibly have something to do with it? (Or was this before that? Either way, pretty damned funny!)
Perhaps he should get a lawyer (Score:2)
Maybe give Joe Adler [youtube.com] a call? (Yes, this is a perhaps copyright-infringing clip from Extract.)
Not sure about Gene (Score:2)
I never heard about this one before, but if Gene is like Lars, and is trying to cry about losing money for his songs being downloaded, I have to say, he is even more out of touch than I thought, but then again, isn't he going senile now?
Many of you misunderstand this (Score:2)
1) The accused is accused of leading a DOS attack. Not participating but leading it. That's important.
2) While it is true that he is facing 15 years for this, I would think it's unlikely that he'll do get that much time. Assuming he is a first time offender and he doesn't act like a complete jerk in court and his attorney also doesn't cop an attitude, if he is convicted
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