Fired IT Worker Replaces CEO's Presentation With Porn 316
An anonymous reader writes "52-year-old Walter Powell wanted revenge when he was fired from his position as an IT manager at Baltimore Substance Abuse System Inc. So, he hacked into their systems — installing keyloggers to steal passwords. Then, when his CEO was giving a presentation to the board of directors he replaced the slides with pornographic images. Powell has now been given a 2 year suspended sentence, and 100 hours community service."
Awesome (Score:5, Funny)
For no jail time, I think it was almost worth it. Too bad Terry Childs didn't get the same deal.
Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)
Dude - 100 hours community service?
*Totally* worth it. >:)
(okay, probably not. I'm pretty sure he got promptly black-balled and will likely have to move.)
As for Childs? The diff is that Powell pissed in the corn flakes of a small private company CEO.
Childs' big mistake (well, the biggest one among many) was that he pissed in the corn flakes of bureaucrats whose sense of petty revenge apparently knows no bounds.
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Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)
Move? He'd be lucky if that's all that happens. He's unlikely to ever get a job of any significance again. Would you want this guy working for you?
Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)
Would you want this guy working for you?
I dunno. He was an IT manager capable of installing software and changing a presentation; that's more IT knowledge than most IT managers have.
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Would you want this guy working for you?
I dunno. He was an IT manager capable of installing software and changing a presentation; that's more IT knowledge than most IT managers have.
Yes, but you are forgetting the flip side: piss him off and you will pay. I wouldn't hire him no matter how desperate I was.
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http://youtu.be/uWMllSAs27Y [youtu.be]
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Yes, but you are forgetting the flip side: piss him off and you will pay. I wouldn't hire him no matter how desperate I was.
If you were a quality employer, you wouldn't be pissing off your employees. If you are, you deserve whatever comes back to you for abuse of power.
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Yes, but you are forgetting the flip side: piss him off and you will pay. I wouldn't hire him no matter how desperate I was.
Yeah, but that's a chance you take with ANY IT manager. Regardless of technical knowledge, they are all human beings.
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So... you hire people with the intention of screwing them over...?
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People like you is exactly why we need laws that has mandatory hiring if an applicant is proficient. Human behaviours can be fixed easily if you know how to manage.
I know if I come across one of these people I will hire immediately and he will turn out like a military veteran under my training. It is all about getting the right boss.
People like you is why Amerika is going down.
Well, I'm not from Amerika, and I wouldn't hire him. If he can't control himself, how the hell can I trust on his leadership as a manager? When I had that urge to cause mayhem on a previous shitty job, I quitted. As simple as that. No amount of stupid revenge can pay for a clean ethics record.
Besides... Installing keyloggers to extract passwords from those assholes at the top? Is that professional nowadays, an indication of proficiency, to use your words? My little sister installed one and she's only 8, so
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Re:Awesome (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds well suited for a job at Geek Squad.
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Eh. He's 52. Odds of getting back in the tech game at that age diminish quickly, even if you're completely clean. Just about time to start thinking about something new and interesting to pursue anyway, so why not go out with a bang... (not that I would, I'm not one for bridge burning, but I'd wager the guy hasn't really hurt his future tech employment odds by much, since there's probably precious few anyway)
Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)
it probably won't hurt him very much. We have a BofH that works in my area, hopping from place to place, with surprisingly similar behaviors here, and he just keeps finding new jobs. He'll work somewhere 6-24 months, get fired, (and usually try to exact revenge) and then just finds another sucker in no time.
The problem here is so many companies are looking for computer experts because they aren't computer experts, so it's a market ripe for continuous abuse. There's always another sucker in this business, even in a small area like where I live. Simple background and reference checks would put these sorts out of business, but it's just not common enough because enough of the people doing the hiring don't know what to look for, even though it's dead simple.
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Not sure wtf that is supposed to mean. Who said he has left "the tech game"? Getting old by itself doesn't make knowledge and experience just poof, ya know. I fully expect to continue to do research, programming, and tech work until the day they find me keeled over on my keyboard.
Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)
Preachin' to the choir.
Sad reality is, it's a young folks game. We old timers demand higher salaries, start getting bitchy about 80 hour weeks once we have families, etc. Bright eyed and bushytailed IT grads are cheaper and look more busy (prolly 'cause they haven't yet learned how to run shit efficiently, but PHBs don't comprehend that). Not to say there aren't gigs out there, but at the ripe old age of 42 I'm already pragmatically making contingency plans. Like it or not, there's a bias towards young folks in high tech. Which isn't to say it can't be done, but it's more of a challenge the older ya get. Fortunately that bias seems quite a bit less pronounced down here in NZ, which was one of the many reasons I buggered off here 8 odd years ago. I figure I'm doing better here than I would have if staying in the SFBA.
(also, you mention programming/research-I expect those have higher old age retentions than sysadmin type work, particularly research)
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Problem with the scenario: people (like yourself) are already saying "For that penalty, it's almost worth it.".
Anytime the penalty is "worth it", it's not acting as the deterrent that it should be.
Re:Awesome (Score:4, Funny)
They should cut his nuts off.
That way all the other computer janitors in the US will shuffle along swiftly and doff their caps humbly to the wealth creating class, motivated by FEAR.
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Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)
For no jail time, I think it was almost worth it. Too bad Terry Childs didn't get the same deal.
Strike 1:
This guy is 52 years old.
Strike 2:
He pled guilty to a felony charge directly related to IT - and one guaranteed to make him all but unemployable even as a greeter at Walmart.
Strike 3.
His probation forbids posession of software "enabing remote access and monitoring of other computers." He can't work out of his home.
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Ah age discrimination the number 1 strike. interesting considering age discrimination is against the law in all 50 states.
52 is a hell of an age to be starting over, particularly with the baggage this guy will be carrying into his next job.
Re:Awesome (Score:5, Insightful)
Ransom, huh? How much did he ask for? In fact, in what way would Childs have materially benefited from his actions? Answer: in no way could he have benefited, so stop making shit up, asshole.
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This tangent reminds me of this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNcDI_uBGUo [youtube.com]
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Yet he had sent that same supervisor passwords previously. Why do you suppose that is?
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If someone can hold an entire city to ransom, they are clearly not "just another disposable grunt admin".
I don't think you understand the concept of "disposable". It means when you're gone, they don't miss you. If you're gone and they want passwords that only you have, you weren't disposable.
No, it means you weren't doing your job right and deserved to be fired. Any IT admin who doesn't put all the key admin passwords written down in a secure vault should be fired even if you can't get the passwords out of him and have to re-do your servers.
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Besides, "career ending move" has a different meaning when you are 52 years old. I suspect he won't be missing his IT career too much.
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I still think it's stupid.
Yeah, sometimes pulling off some stunt is satisfying. But in this case it just doesn't seem worth it. Dealing with getting sued, lawyers, paperwork, related hassle, the cost of all that, and the consequences just to pull off a stupid stunt that everybody affected will shortly forget just seems like a horrible tradeoff.
The joke's on him really. The "victims" probably even like it, because now the one who fired him is absolutely sure they made the right decision, and whoever was invo
Board of Directors? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Board of Directors? (Score:5, Funny)
I wrote a script once that redirected traffic via a proxy to babblefish which translated it to English to Russian and than back to English again. :-)
It made all the emails from hotmail look like they written by a 6 year old. Unfortunately, security software started catching up with man in the middle attacks by the time I was about finished as this was technically a redirect :-( so I could never use it without antivirus software screaming today.
If the guy is old a really embarrasing thing to link is this video. [ebaumsworld.com] FYI not worksafe or the faint of heart ... aka a shocker. ;-)
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What if it was not porn... (Score:2, Insightful)
I wonder what the sentence would have be if he replaced the slides with puppies or butterflies instead of porn? Less perhaps?
Undid his just deserves. (Score:5, Insightful)
When you walk away from a job there is nothing more satisfying than letting it fall to shit after you go. Doing something on the way out or after you leave just proves you didn't have any positive effect on the business.
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Re:Undid his just deserves. (Score:5, Funny)
Loads of places that got rid of me folded soon after.
One burned to the ground, but I have a cast iron alibi for that night.
Re:Undid his just deserves. (Score:5, Funny)
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Yah nothing beats the business going to shit and the business owner who is raping the business bling for money and stock to pay his debts doesn't realise the firing his most important employee (to use the money he paid me for steal even more from the company) leads to at least 1/2 of the customers never coming back. Fuck yah it felt good. My phone was rining non stop for two weeks afterwards when customers found out I wasn't there. Eveyone one of them said the only reason they shopped there was because of m
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Doesn't just apply to after being fired.
I remember when I finally left my last dead-end job (7 years ago). It was terrible. We were expected to check voicemail (several times per day), but we didn't have our own phones available, so we had to go to our ego-inflated boss's office each time to ask to use his phone and type in our voicemail codes. I gave them my notice (actually gave them 4 weeks) and was gone. 2 weeks later that boss was calling me up asking if I'd like to work for 4 hours part time in th
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Yup.
I'm about to find this out in a couple of weeks...
(the new job is roughly 2x better, with a bigger salary, lighter workload, a bit more travel, but I can live with the latter).
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> Doing something on the way out or after you leave just proves you didn't have any positive effect on the business.
Why? Why can't someone get fired for a stupid reason not have a laugh at their expense. I'd buy the guy the drink and have a laugh about it; says nothing about his ability to develop/fix problems etc.
Re:Undid his just deserves. (Score:4, Informative)
When you walk away from a job there is nothing more satisfying than letting it fall to shit after you go. Doing something on the way out or after you leave just proves you didn't have any positive effect on the business.
Ah, but the difference between "let" and "cause" is the difference between schaenfreude and "boy, you got a purty mouth". Depending upon the mood of the judge, that difference is literal.
He did get lucky.
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Re:Undid his just deserves. (Score:5, Insightful)
Thats' not good revenge.
Good revenge is when they call you and you say 'I'll help 200 an hour, 20 hour min.'
Showing up to work making 3 times more is the best revenge.
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Nah, letting them know you're working for someone else at more than they paid, and you don't have the time to help them (and no, you won't accept being rehired on a higher bid for ethical reasons) is revenge.. :)
Or you can do this... (Score:2)
Or you can just do this...
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1140683&cid=26985821 [slashdot.org]
Re:Undid his just deserves. (Score:5, Interesting)
That happens more often than you think, Its actually happened to me twice..once with a telco I worked for where my department was eliminated as a cost saving measure, my department had 16 people when I started, was down to 2 engineers by the time I was let go. Within two weeks they were calling both of us to try and get us to come back, we both refused to come back in a salary position but offered to come back as contractors...shit was bad so they paid up, I spent a total of one month in two cities and made more in that time than I made in 6 months while I was working there.
The second time was two years ago with my own business, a client decided I was too expensive and decided to "go a different direction", the guy they hired was a relative of one of the company's partners and over a holiday break they managed to have their main server go down after a storm. Their new IT guy kept trying to fix the old machine with random parts, turns out he was hiding the fact that he hadn't had a good backup in over a month. I got a call saying they needed my help, I explained that they had ditched me, and that it was a holiday break (my biggest client closes for a week during the holiday season), they said it didn't matter what it cost they just needed their data. I told them I would do it on an hourly basis on the condition that the idiot who was now in charge just stayed out of the way. I billed them at 2.5x my standard rate, I kept backup hardware of all my clients gear on hand and still had the board and raid card that matched their system at home. Got the new machine up and didn't even have to restore anything, fixed the backup problem made a good backup and presented them a nice bill. They offered to "bring me onboard" again, I told them I didn't have time but wished them luck with my replacement.
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Hehe, yeah that happens a lot.
My colleague resigned and went to work for another firm, as highly paid project leader. Company I was working for at the time had to hire him back at a rate of 5 times his normal wage, and that was with a discount :) Too bad he didn't get it all, but it was still good :) (They should have promoted him, he was doing work way above his paygrade and doing it well - as the other company realized).
Another guy I worked with was laid off when his department was deemed "strategically u
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Acute de-geeking?
Spoken like a true pointy hair (Score:2)
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Oh get your head out of your ass. IT people, like every other cog in any corporation, are replaceable. Nothing is going to "fall to shit" just because you're not there.
Unless you've done something wrong, often times "replacable" is irrelevant, as often it's about eliminating a position they perceive as necessary rather than replacing anyone.
Pulling IT people out of a corporation without replacing them (while "saving money" of course) most certainly can cause stuff to "fall to shit".
Re:Undid his just deserves. (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, nice. Management finally read the "Complete Idiots guide to posting as AC".
I've watched too many companies struggle after losing a star employee. Not just someone who's good at their job, but also good at a bunch of tangentially-related duties too. The coder with a background in corporate accounting, or the sysadmin with people skills, these hybrids are often the backbone of a small business, but the pigeonholing nature of management often fails to recognize that extra value. You can replace them with a regular, boring, single-minded IT guy, sure, but the new guy won't do all that extra stuff that was taken for granted.
Given that a significant part of any IT skillset is problem-solving, usually the guy with the most diverse knowledge base is also the most creative and resourceful one. He might not be so great at coding, and he probably relies on Google a lot for server admin, but he'll be the one to save your hide when disaster strikes, because he understands how all the pieces fit together and can attack a problem from all angles at once.
That's the kind of IT guy you'll miss when he's gone, and once the new husks run out of ideas 7 minutes into the crisis, that's the guy you'll be calling for help, and it won't be cheap.
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The problem with the idea of "cogs" is that it's someone's pipe dream -- someone who doesn't know jack shit about people. I'm not saying that irreplaceable people, the other extreme, are any good either, as this promotes complacency and makes your business vulnerable to one's whims. There's a middle road that works. People should be respected and valued. Yes, if you treat them like cogs, you can inflate the balance sheets for a couple of quarters. Then it all goes to hell. And we see that over and over. And
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Yes, if you treat them like cogs, you can inflate the balance sheets for a couple of quarters. Then it all goes to hell.
Eh? I have heard it reported many times that Google treats their technical staff like cogs, and developers are considered interchangeable parts by the management. If everything's supposed to go to hell, then how can you explain Google's continued success?
Maybe not all managers that treat people as "cogs" do so in the same fashion?
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Eh? I have heard it reported many times that Google treats their technical staff like cogs, and developers are considered interchangeable parts by the management. If everything's supposed to go to hell, then how can you explain Google's continued success?
I'd guess it's because engineering isn't actually that important to the revenue of an advertising company.
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Maybe not all managers that treat people as "cogs" do so in the same fashion?
This is probably the answer to why it works for Google.
I suspect they at least don't constantly drive their employees to the limits of what they can handle (not in terms of task difficulty but in terms of weird work hours, contradicting orders and similar shenanigans), they probably pay them quite well and I doubt they just yank people straight out of one project and into another and then track their progress on that project using seemingly random and useless metrics with the expectation that they should pe
Re:Undid his just deserves. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's long been known that there are huge differences in productivity and output between IT-people. Some can do 8x the work of others. Some are respected in their field, other skilled IT-people want to work with them, but not with the nephew of the manager. There's all kinds of differences in personality and training.
It's not just true in IT. I've seen a case where one person was doing all the accounting in a firm. He had spare time in the afternoon to compose music. Everything ran like clockwork. Then his replacement arrived (he retired). They had to cut down his workload to half the original job and he still can't keep up.
Everyone is replaceable. It just isn't always very smart to replace good people with unknown quantities.
Coincidence? (Score:2)
Smells like he might have gotten his idea from this recent SMBC Theater [youtube.com] video. (NSFW)
idiocracy (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:idiocracy (Score:4, Funny)
why are six of the last 7 stories tagged with 'idiocracy'?
I blame it on Bitcoin. It rots the geek mind.
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Because stupid people are everywhere, and they are breeding at alarming rates ?
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Cause y'know, despite the arrogance, we geeks do have our pop culture, and love to bring it up like all the so called unwashed masses. :)
Way to stick it to the man. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm glad he's not actually in jail, otherwise I would have to start a FREE WALTER POWELL movement.
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Way to stick it to your old colleagues too. It's not the CEO that's going to be stuck cleaning up the security breach.
So... (Score:5, Funny)
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Reminds me... (Score:5, Funny)
This story reminds me of a friend who, 20 years ago, was the IT person for a small aerospace startup that ran a Macintosh network with a single dial-in. (He may even be reading this: hats off, Mr Jones!)
They fired him, unamicably, and failed to change the passwords on the dialup (among other mistakes not later abused). So he decided to get his revenge by dialing in and sending multiple copies of a word document to every printer in the company (501 copies, iirc, guaranteed to empty every paper tray). The document was a quote from the Blonde Bimbo Office Manager ("BBOM"), in 36-point Helvetica:
"I've been at the bottom, and I've been at the top. I don't care how much dick I have to suck, I'm not going to be at the bottom again." Signed, [BBOM]
I was still there when it happened. The best part was, the BBOM took a stack of these printouts to every person in the building, shrieking: "Did you do this? Did YOU do this??" Nobody know who did it, in fact I think few even suspected the dialup.*
Now those are some lulz.
[*I didn't know it was him until months later, after the company laid off 90% of its staff, including me. Its doors shut a year later.]
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If you ever bump into Mr. Jones, have him email me. I wanna buy this man a fuckin' BEER! :D
Appropriate (Score:2)
I'd say that's a pretty appropriate story for a blog named "Naked Security [sophos.com]."
Granted this is something I wouldn't do... (Score:2)
Don't they understand? (Score:5, Funny)
When someone pulls a stunt like this, all they're doing is making it hard for everyone.
Re:Don't they understand? (Score:5, Funny)
Just because his job went tits up doesn't mean he had to be a dick about it.
Only if everyone is into that type of porn (Score:2)
Did he deserve to get sacked (Score:5, Insightful)
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The article leaves a lot out for example we know he was convicted but do we know if he actually did it? Not enough there for any sort of opinion; might be more along the lines as he was the only one anybody suspected so the prosecution just went with the flow and Powell couldn't afford competent defense and copped a plea for a suspended sentence.
I have to say... (Score:2)
All arguments about the guy's maturity and professionalism aside, I've got to admit that 100 hours of community service isn't a bad price to pay for a "Fuck you!" prank like that. And I'll bet his only regret is not being able to see the reactions at the meeting.
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Unprofessional (Score:5, Interesting)
This guy would have been smarter if he had found another disgruntled employee and waited a while and then framed him. Or could it be that that is what happened, he could have been marked as an obvious target and someone smarter set him up! Whomever did the hacking it was still childish, the equivalent of keying someones car.
I don't own an IT company but I wouldn't want to work with this guy. Very childish. I can't wait until we finally see these clowns plant child porn or evidence of credit card fraud and other serious crime so they can prove what I have said for years about that subject and computer vulnerability. The first being that no content should be illegal no matter how vulgar it is aka 1st amendment (instead use it to track down people and make sure they aren't committing crimes and making content). Second computer systems are insecure and any lay person should discount any digital evidence taken from a persons personal devices (it's just too easy to frame people). Hacking in inherently unprovable unless you actively bug a persons house and computer and can show he manned the keyboard and can be video recorded tying the things they accused him of doing. I say this because even I would be smart enough to rig a persons computer to do things in the background while he was physically at the computer.
As far as law enforcement I am surprised that more people aren't up in arms over the fact that with a simple accusation the police can come in and permanently seize thousands of dollars of computer equipment and all your personal information and just maybe you'll get it back five years later when it's obsolete and only if you managed to actually prove your innocence (not found not guilty). Further they take can take all your backups so you have nothing to restore from. Then they will probably try to strong arm you with the lure of getting your property back. And this is all legal.
Re:Unprofessional (Score:4, Insightful)
It is very normal for humans to have thoughts about revenge after a kick in the guts. Indeed, if we didn't think about revenge, there would be something wrong with us.
However, converting those thoughts into actions is an indicator of poor impulse control, and extremely poor judgement.
I prefer to think that the crazies don't inhabit this realm. That's why I keep coming back.
Fuck the CEO culture of today (Score:5, Insightful)
At least he didn't stab the CEO like they do in India. If the CEO culture doesn't improve, it will come to that eventually in USA. Mark my words.
Re:Fuck the CEO culture of today (Score:5, Funny)
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Lalit Kishore Choudhary
Meh. The best revenge is living well (Score:2)
Every once in a while, I'll think about some crappy situation I was in while doing something really cool, like driving along the coast. That's when I know I got the best revenge.
Roles and Responsibilities (Score:2, Interesting)
We had a similar issue happen in my office once - not replacing a presentation with pornography, but instead, a recently terminated employee (who was misguidedly provided remote access at all) whose role involved managing calendars and appointments for a handful of executives and leaders, created fake, inappropriate appointments with officers and very high ups.
Leadership came down to our offices and asked why this person was allowed to do this after having been let go. Unfortunately, that was the fi
We were ... (Score:5, Funny)
Worth it? (Score:3)
Re:Crap like this is what gives IT a bad name (Score:5, Interesting)
And that's the best he could do? Girly pictures during a presentation. What a loser. Probably still lives in his parent's basement.
The story says "porn", but not what kind of porn...
It's human nature (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not an IT thing. Everyone does this.
I was the IT guy for a company that did company restructuring, or failing that, liquidation. If you've ever been to Ohio and you're the right age you'll remember Carpet Barn and Tile House. I was the guy who liquidated their technical assets. That's a fancy way of saying the boss gave me a truck and a map and said "if it's worth more than 2 cents and plugs into something, put it on the truck." So I got to see every single Carpet Barn.
Now to be fair, they closed very suddenly. It was a Thursday. Workers showed up to locked doors. Salesmen had taken down payments from customers the previous day. The money was lost and never refunded, people didn't get their carpet. It was a bad scene.
You should have seen these places.
Workers opened up the doors with bolt cutters and trashed every single outlet. Holes kicked in the walls, refrigerators turned over, coffee pots smashed into copiers. Office furniture beaten into splinters. Carpet rolls thrown everywhere. Every store looked like the scene of a riot.
Re:It's human nature (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not an IT thing. Everyone does this.
Well, no, not everybody.
I've been wrongfully fired before, being made the bearer-of-blame for a manager who made the wrong decisions and hoped that the blame would walk out the door with me. I was (and actually still am, gotta love knowledge of trade secrets and dirty secrets and of contacts made with said company's partners) in a position to hurt the company badly in retaliation. But I didn't do so. Why, oh why, in this era of tech workers who exhibit such open contempt of non-techies and thinking the sun shines out their asses?
1. I'm a better person than the manager in question. I have ethics, and stooping to low revenge is a breach in ethics.
2. Karma works. The company in question has run into troubles due to said bad decisions.
3. Karma works, redux. There are plenty of people who know point 1, and will stand by me in references and "unofficial" contacts. If I compromised myself, they wouldn't and shouldn't.
4. In this valley, everybody knows everybody (or knows someone who does... helllllllo, LinkedIn). Bad firings are known for what they are, regardless of court. So are acts of revenge, regardless of court. I landed on my feet, am in a much better situation than I would be today if I were at the old company, and will continue to do well.
None of the above makes me in any way unique. Most people are big enough to behave that way, or to semi-quote Chris Rock, "You say you take care of your kids? Of COURSE you're supposed to take care of your kids, dumbass!" It's the expected default behavior. It's the ones who don't who make the news... and Slashdot.
Now, perhaps you meant "it happens in every industry", but this IS Slashdot. Tech is (ostensibly) what it's about here.
To be fair, we don't know WHY the person was fired (though we do know his personality allows for revenge). I'm not going to automatically side with him just because he's a fellow tech "worker bee". I know plenty of "worker bee" IT folks who I wouldn't hire to water my lawn, much less care for my datacenter. I also know a couple of CEOs I'd trust with my bank account numbers. Assumption of righteousness and evil based upon job title... that's just wrong.
All that being said, I'd probably buy the gentleman in question a beer, but I'd never hire him or put him in a position of trust. The ability of people to justify breaches of trust is well-night infinite, and someone who will engage in acts of revenge can be counted upon to do it again, whether they deserved to be fired or not. This is a Pyrhhic victory at best, and while amusing to us, is career-suicide for him.
Hope it was worth it. Hope his family (if any) thinks so too.
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Re:fail (Score:4, Insightful)
Next time slightly alter the presentation to make it look incompetent
For most PowerPoint presentations, that is accomplished without making any edit to the original.
Re:Sounds like a good decision (Score:5, Insightful)
what if he was fired wrongfully? today's situation prevents any sort of justice from happening. if he was canned for politics then I have no sympathy for his employer whatsoever.
Re:OH NO, IT'S A COMPUTER!!! (Score:4, Informative)