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All Your Coffee Are Belong To Us 354

Posted by kdawson from the pouring-over-it dept.
Wolf nipple chips writes "Craig Wright discovered that the Jura F90 Coffee maker, with its honest-to-God Jura Internet Connection Kit, can be taken over by a remote attacker, who can cause the coffee to be weaker or stronger; change the amount of water per cup; or cause the machine to require service (call this one a DDoC). 'Best yet, the software allows a remote attacker to gain access to the Windows XP system it is running on at the level of the user.' An Internet-enabled, remote-controlled coffee-machine and XP backdoor — what more could a hacker ask for?"
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  • First post? (Score:3, Funny)

    by boteeka ( 970303 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:21AM (#23835359) Homepage
    Bullshit, those machines are secure as a mainframe.

  • Bah! (Score:5, Funny)

    by BWJones ( 18351 ) * on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:21AM (#23835361) Homepage Journal
    Bah! Get your coffee [utah.edu] and an old school French press [wikipedia.org] to brew the tastiest coffee. Put your hacking efforts into the roasting, selection and cultivation of your beans and leave the time and resource wasting, lame Windows controlled coffee makers to the junk heap of history.

    • Oh no, those things are terrible. The coffee always comes out warm, what you need is one of those expresso machines that sit on top of your stove top.
      • A percolator? Those are great, but I've ruined a few by being absent minded and trying to multitask (in the kitchen, I'm not stupid enough to walk away from a lit stove).

        For me, its all about whole beans ground mere seconds before they are put through a decent drip system.

        • Re:Bah! (Score:5, Informative)

          by SMS_Design ( 879582 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @04:07AM (#23836121)
          I believe they're referring to a Moka pot [wikipedia.org], actually.

          • Re:Bah! (Score:5, Informative)

            by 1karmik1 ( 963790 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @04:29AM (#23836227) Homepage
            I'm italian, Coffee for us is either Moka or Espresso. At home, the best of the best is always moka. Even buying bar-grade espresso machines (the 3000$+ ones) isn't the same because with those machines (that makes an OUTSTANDING coffee) you had to make several hundreds coffee/day to remove the taste of brandnewness from them. A Moka can get to working order with few tens of runs. Every household in italy has a Moka. It's cheap and it makes a great coffee. (I wouldn't call Espresso tho, Espresso is even less water/even more coffee. Moka is something in between Espresso and $EVERYOTHERPARTOFTHEWORLD-coffee but more on the Espresso side (it's still a lot lot lot less water than any other coffee.). If you happen to stop by italy buy a Bialetti one, you won't regret it (we're talking 20$ here, nothing anyone could go bankrupt with.). Even more useful if you got a coffee grinder or a shop that sells moka-grinded coffee, since the grains are a little different from american-coffee ones (not sure which one is bigger. Moka ones are definitely bigger than espresso, which are the smallest.)
            • I have three moka makers (2 cup, 6cup, 18 cup), and they certainly make a good coffee, but I am absolutely intent upon upgrading to a Rancilio Silvia [coffeegeek.com]; you can get a bar grade espresso for less than $1000 (you also need to buy a good grinder).

              Geeks have an income; I'm sure that a fair few of us can afford decent coffee, and have the temprement to learn to work the machine!

              • I have a Silvia and Rocky no-doser.

                Extremely happy with my purchase. They came with the stainless base with the little drawers too, as I bought them as a pair.

                The only issue with the Silvia is a the dead gap temperature control. If you want really consistent shots, you either have to temperature surf (google it) or install a PID.

                That said, the pair, with a little practice and my corretto [wikipedia.org], make some tasty-assed coffee.

                Not the best, buy hey, I'm trying: Latte art image [pithed.org]
            • Moka grind is slightly larger than espresso, ask the store you buy from to grind somewhere around 15% less fine than for espresso. Of course, their interpretation of that may be off but experiment till you get the right grind its important. Get a burr grinder and do it yourself if your crazy like me. Moka rocks its very true, only professional grade lever espresso machines beat it imho.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by niiler ( 716140 )
              I am drinking mine as I read. The only issue with Mokas is quantity. If you have a party where everyone needs coffee, even having a couple of them won't be enough and you may have to break out the old style automatic coffee maker and serve your guests (gasp!) Cafe Americano (hot water with a sprinkling of coffee grounds). Sadly, I've found many Americans to be fearful of even mildly strong coffee.

              • Re:Bah! (Score:5, Funny)

                by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @09:50AM (#23839179) Homepage Journal
                "If you have a party where everyone needs coffee, even having a couple of them won't be enough..."

                Hmm...I don't think I've ever been to a party where coffee was an issue...??

                Usually we're concerned on not running out of beer, wine or liquor...

                "Hey Phil, the Tigers are about to score again, can ya toss me a nice hot latte without too much foam?? Your out? WTF? Ok...I'm outta here, lets to to the local Starbucks, where they know how to treat a sports crowd!!"

              • Re:Bah! (Score:4, Funny)

                by arth1 ( 260657 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @12:30PM (#23841857) Homepage Journal

                Sadly, I've found many Americans to be fearful of even mildly strong coffee.

                This is true. Americans brew extremely weak coffee, but to compensate it's usually Central- and South-American coffee high in organic acids, so it's quite sour. So sour that most people mix large amounts of milk/cream and sugar in their coffee. Ask for a "regular" coffee here in New England, and you'll get about one quarter of the cup filled with light cream ("Half and half"), and enough sugar to keep you high for a few hours.

                Worse, Americans serve and drink luke warm coffee. Where Europeans would want both their sauna, dishwater and coffee to be close to the temperature of boiling water, Americans are cowards, and not smart enough to prevent themselves or others from scalding.
                Hot coffee doesn't create 2nd degree burns. Morons armed with hot coffee create 2nd degree burns.

                Is this bashing America? Perhaps so, but I am an American and demand my constitutional right to do so.

            • ...or I could order one on amazon [amazon.com] and save myself the expensive airline ticket :-P. My dad used to use one of these for his late-night french roast cuppa' (note: his roast preference, not mine).

              I've heard lots of good things about the Aero Press [amazon.com] (already mentioned downthread) which I hope to try next.

              I'm currently using a cafetiere and I've still yet to try the Aero press, but so far, I think I prefer the Moka.

            • Re:Bah! (Score:4, Interesting)

              by hey! ( 33014 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @07:20AM (#23837049) Homepage Journal
              I second the Moka machine. I've found the coarseness of the grind doesn't really make that much of a difference to how well it works. Sometimes it might leak a few drops around the seal, but it's not a critical problem. I've brewed American drip grind coffee (because it was all I had handy), and it came out as good as it ever does. It does fine with preground "espresso" grind coffee, producing as you say a cup of coffee that is perhaps a bit less syrup like than bar coffee, but every bit as tasty. Seriously, with a $20 pot, it's hardly worth worrying about if it will "work"; you just put water and grounds in and get coffee out a couple minutes later. It's not like you're going to void the warranty or something.

              The Moka pot is extremely fast, and most importantly very easy to clean, which is the downfall of many coffee makers.

              In fact it's so convenient I'm thinking of getting a single cup pot. Sometimes I get fresh dark roasted beans and put them in the freezer. Then when I want a cup of coffee I grind them in a brass Turkish coffee grinder, and brew them up in a Moka for a real treat -- better than what you get in most coffee bars over here. The problem is that it takes too long to hand grind enough coffee for six cups.

              With a single cup pot I could go from whole beans in a freezer to a fresh cup of Moka in maybe five or six minutes.

              I used to think about getting a home espresso machine, but since I've been using the Moka, I have lost interest. I actually think the Moka pot is cooler. The expensive machines like when you go to somebody's house and they pull out a bottle of $100 wine and it's pretty good. Of course it's good. The Moka machine is like going to somebody's house and drinking a great glass of wine, then he shows you the bottle and it has a $12 sticker on it. The guy who can find a great $12 wine is the one who really knows what he's doing.

              If I had almost $2000 to drop on a coffee machine, I'd get a bean roaster, an electric grinder, and couple of 12 cup Moka pots. I'd be ready to churn out better coffee than any home machine, and faster too, with enough money left over to keep me supplied with top notch unroasted beans for a long time. You can get a 5lb bag of unroasted estate Jamaica Blue Mountain for a bit over $30, but roasted whole beans will set you back more like $40/lb.

              Of course, I'm not really that into coffee (I can stop any time I want), so preroasted, preground coffee does fine for me.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by jimicus ( 737525 )

        Oh no, those things are terrible. The coffee always comes out warm, what you need is one of those expresso machines that sit on top of your stove top.
        I disagree. The problem with the stove-top devices is that they're a devil to keep clean (absolutely vital for good coffee) and it's fantastically easy to burn the coffee with them.

        • Re:Bah! (Score:5, Informative)

          by LizardKing ( 5245 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @04:19AM (#23836195)

          You're not supposed to keep them clinically clean. As any Italian will tell you, only wash a cafitiere [wikipedia.org] with warm water - no washing up liquid or other kind of detergent. Not only will this increase the life of the rubber sealing ring, it improves the taste over time as the jug becomes coated with a coffee residue (even the Wikipedia article mentions this). As for burning the coffee, what are you using to heat the thing, a flamethrower? As the water reservoir heats, steam is passed through the ground coffee, meaning it can't burn unless you're heating the sides of the cafetiere.

          • Re:Bah! (Score:4, Informative)

            by AgentPaper ( 968688 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @06:30AM (#23836785)
            I'd have to respectfully disagree with that one. On a cheap aluminum moka pot, you might run into flavor issues from too-frequent scrubbing (aluminum + acid = yuk). If your pot is stainless, though (and these days, any decent pot will be), leaving that caked-on stuff in there will degrade the flavor of any coffee you make in it, as the coffee oils do tend to go rancid rather quickly post-brewing. The effect rapidly worsens if you use lower-grade coffee.

            Then again, given my background and profession, I'd be heavily biased toward "clinically clean" even if it did throw the flavor off. ;-)
        • Bah, Filter Coffee every time. Pot, Filter, kettle. Done.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by mr_matticus ( 928346 )
        Fitting an expresso machine [motortopia.com] on your stove top might prove a bit difficult.

        An espresso maker, on the other hand, is an option.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Nursie ( 632944 )
        I like warm coffee you insensitive clod!

        No, really, not all of us can stand it at just below boiling point, it's too hot.

      • Re:Bah! (Score:4, Informative)

        by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:40AM (#23838119) Journal
        You're doing it wrong. Pour boiling water directly into your french press. Cover and steep for 3 minutes. Press and pour into an insulated carafe. It comes out at the perfect temperature, any hotter and you'd scald yourself.

    • Re:Bah! (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @03:29AM (#23835955)
      Keep up with time mate, it's called a Freedom Press

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Nursie ( 632944 )
      French Press? You'll be calling it a freedom press next.

      It's called a cafetiere.

      • ... French Press? You'll be calling it a freedom press next ...

        Nah, not any more. Bush is touring Europe now. He's best buddies with all of us, apparently.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Prune ( 557140 )
      The press leaves way too much particulate in the coffee. This is significantly better: http://www.hasbean.co.uk/images/aero_press.jpg [hasbean.co.uk]

      In the end, however, espresso made with a modded (PID temperature controller and some piping for preheating) machine, and proper tamping technique, is the pinnacle of coffeedom.

    • Re:Bah! (Score:4, Informative)

      by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @08:37AM (#23838081) Journal
      French presses are indeed the most delicious way to drink coffee. Unfortunately, unfiltered coffee has high levels of cafestol [wikipedia.org] which has been shown to raise cholesterol levels in drinkers of boiled coffee. Paper filters remove most of the cafestol, making the coffee a lot safer. Personally, I'm looking to pick up an Aeropress [aerobie.com] for just this reason.

      • Aeropress (Score:4, Interesting)

        by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @09:24AM (#23838827)
        I have an aeropress at work. They really are as good as they claim to be.

        1) way faster than a french press

        2) no need to boil the water. Just use an instant hot water tap on the water cooler. Because it brews so fast, and it's all plastic you don't need to have super hot starting water to end up with a very hot drink

        3) No additional stuff to clean

        4) it's self cleaning without a sink. press out the syringe and the coffee plug falls into the trash can and it's all clean,dry and ready to go back in your drawer.

        5) I usually brew an americano (watery espresso) and I find the low acidity of the reduced temperature brewing means I no longer need cream in my coffee. This too is especially useful in the office environment since I don't need a refrigerator and a stock of fresh milk, or messy yucky white powders.

        (by the way who was the genius who labeled sysco's coffee creamer "coffee whitener", as though turning it white was the real objecive. It's like something out of Repo man. Tack one of those in the middle of an 8-foot canvas and call it Andy Warhol pop art).

  • Java? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Arakageeta ( 671142 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:22AM (#23835367)
    I wonder how well it runs Java...

  • Sex? (Score:5, Funny)

    by pembo13 ( 770295 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:23AM (#23835369) Homepage
    Sorry, that's the first thing that came to mind on the question of what more could a hacker want.

  • Setting the scene (Score:5, Funny)

    by BWJones ( 18351 ) * on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:26AM (#23835383) Homepage Journal
    I mean come on now... what good can an Internet connected coffee maker really do? No security conscious office will ever want a Windows enabled appliance around. Just imagine the scene:

    Special Agent Wilkins: How the Hell did they get in?

    Special Agent Thompson: Sir..... I... uh, think they got in through the coffee maker.

    Special Agent Wilkins: The What?

    Special Agent Thompson: Sir, the coffee maker that we got you for your birthday... the one that you wanted to be able to brew up a cup o joe from your office?

    Special Agent Wilkins: Oh fsck me....

    • Re:Setting the scene (Score:5, Informative)

      by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak&yahoo,com> on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:46AM (#23835485) Homepage Journal
      This [wikipedia.org] is what happens when coffee pots go on the Internet, albeit in a different way. A similar effect was probably intended, though.
      • Cool link. I am reminded of those halcyon hacker days of yore, when everyone was smarter and +5 Funny, and winter exited March the second on the dot. I recall my college housemates trying to hack our PBX phone system so that you could call the washer and dryer and find out if your clothes were done, instead of having to walk down 3 flights to look. (It couldn't be done using a personal computer because no one owned such an expensive toy.)
    • This reminds me of Niven & Pournelle's Mote in God's Eye, where the moties did actually use a coffee maker as a means of infiltration...

  • Aww man (Score:3, Funny)

    by T3Tech ( 1306739 ) <`tj' `at' `t3technet.com'> on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:27AM (#23835385) Homepage
    Now I'm seriously concerned about a coffee trojan vulnerability.

    I would hate to find out that my coffee had been maliciously replaced with decaf.

  • What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)

    by katterjohn ( 726348 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:36AM (#23835425)
    How about the coffee?

    • Re:What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)

      by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak&yahoo,com> on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:49AM (#23835497) Homepage Journal
      Hmmmmm. I wonder what would happen if someone totally evil patched the code so you had to win at minesweeper to get the coffee?

    • Re:What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)

      by WWWWolf ( 2428 ) <wwwwolf@iki.fi> on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @04:06AM (#23836117) Homepage

      How about the coffee?

      Ah, the cleverness of the hack in question is not that they can make the coffee maker to produce coffee, no. The evil hax0rs really want the coffee.

      Employee 1: "This has to be the most ridiculous work order I've ever received."
      Employee 2: "What is it?"
      E1: "At precisely 12:02, I'm supposed to take the cup from the coffee percolator and deliver it to this address a few blocks away."
      E2: "What? Are you kidding?"
      E1: "No, it's on our company letterhead. Signed by the CEO. 'Deliver this cup of coffee to our IT subcontractor. This may sound like an unusual order, but millions are at stake here.'"
      E2: "Well, I wonder what those primadonnas come up with next time?"

  • and I thought the only security hole in coffee was drugging it. Although technically, you could knock out the entire IT department with that one and probably do less with this digital method. Anyway, if a company approves an internet capable coffee machine in the budget, they deserve to get hacked.

  • EVERYBODY PANIC! (Score:5, Funny)

    by rossz ( 67331 ) <ogre@@@geekbiker...net> on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:38AM (#23835435) Journal
    Screw the company web server. Screw the sql database server. They've hacked the coffee machine! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

  • HTCPCP (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:42AM (#23835453)
    So, does this device conform to the HTCPCP (Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol) [http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2324.html] ?

  • Not a constantly-connected device (Score:5, Informative)

    by aaronbeekay ( 1080685 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:44AM (#23835467) Homepage
    As far as I can tell, the coffeemaker *doesn't* run Windows-- the exploit is in the "connection kit", which is software that runs on a PC, which plugs into the coffeemaker, which lets coffee-people fix your coffeemaker from afar.

    So this wouldn't have much in the way of applicability unless you knew someone with this particular $2000 coffeemaker, which was already experiencing problems, who had purchased the $100+ coffeemaker diagnostic kit and had the coffeemaker plugged in, through the diagnostic kit, to their PC at the time.

    Seems like there are better ways to get into Windows.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Al_Lapalme ( 698542 )
      I'd mod you up if I had the points - I was just about to post the same thing. I took me a few re-reads to understand what the message actually said.

      The author seems to go through alot of trouble to refer to everything as 'it' (ie - the coffee maker and the connectivity kit).

      AFAIK - the coffee machine itself doesn't run windows, and other than changing the settings on it to whatever you want, you couldn't really do anything else useful with the coffee machine itself.

      You could of course gain access to the Wi

  • At least it was a Coffee Maker... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by patio11 ( 857072 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:45AM (#23835479)
    ... and not, oh, an integrated diabetes management system, pill dispenser, etc...

  • classic example of why... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:46AM (#23835483)
    ... not everything needs an internet connection

  • That's why they call it a firewall. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Chris Snook ( 872473 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:49AM (#23835499)
    If you let the whole world control your heating elements, bad things happen. When was the last time you saw an Itanium box with a public IP?

  • What's for breakfast? (Score:5, Funny)

    by fyoder ( 857358 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @01:52AM (#23835511) Homepage Journal
    Once the coffee maker is compromised and turned into a rogue email server, breakfast choices will be coffee and spam, coffee egg and spam; coffee egg bacon and spam; coffee egg bacon sausage and spam; coffee spam bacon sausage and spam; coffee spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; coffee spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam....

    Vikings: Spam spam spam spam...

    • If they turn our Mr. Coffee into a spam cannon, I'll thwart them by implicating the coffee maker in p2p sharing of Monty Python sketches or something and tip off the BPI/**AA.

    • Look, we want no muffins, no toast, no teacakes, no buns, baps, baggetes or bagels, no croissants, no crumpets, no pancakes, no potato cakes, and no hot cross buns, and DEFINITELY... no smeggin' flapjacks.

      Ahhh.... so you're a waffle man?

      I just hope nobody finds a toaster with similar vulnerabilities.

  • Don't people learn (Score:5, Funny)

    by Xarin ( 320264 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @02:03AM (#23835559)
    Don't people ever learn. If you don't install a firewall, anti-virus protection, and anti-spyware software on your coffee maker, you deserve to be hacked. My coffee maker runs Linux and has never been hacked.
  • It would be an attack on the entire company. Imagine the effects of decreased caffeine consumption. Productivity could be going way down. In fact I'd consider the attack a declaration of war.
    • Sure, but lacking caffeine you'll lack the energy to do anything about it. You'll be assimilated without resistance.

      So unless a patch is found, you'll need to set up dedicated hosts ready to launch a devastating counter-strike on their coffee machines within the first microsecond of detecting incoming ICDMs (Internet Coffee Datagrams, Malevolent), and trust to an uneasy policy of Mutually Assured Decaffeination to keep the peace.

  • End of the Internet? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by carmaa ( 1006965 )
    Distributed Denial of Coffee? Really? This is the attack that will cause the End of the Internet, when caffeine-addicted sysadmins not getting their daily "fix" turns their frustration towards the servers.

  • Coffee (Score:5, Funny)

    by dunezone ( 899268 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @02:39AM (#23835709) Journal
    I, for one, welcome our new coffee brewing overlords.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @02:50AM (#23835763)
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  • Forget Osama. They overtook the coffee maker. The whole fucking coffee maker!

    Inspired by Bluto [imdb.com]

  • What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)

    by CoolGopher ( 142933 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @02:52AM (#23835777)
    An Internet-enabled, remote-controlled coffee-machine and XP backdoor -- what more could a hacker ask for?

    Access to the coffee his new bot brews?

  • A culture of helplessness (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jandersen ( 462034 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @02:56AM (#23835807)
    This is probably going to be simply ignored, as it is just one of my pet peeves; but as it is one of my pet peeves, I will proceed none the less. Consequently, this is my Message To The World:

    What's the bloody sense in making a thing like this - let alone owning one? It is not exactly demanding, making you own coffee: put ground coffee beans in your favourite cafetiere/filter/mysterious glass thing with a spirit burner, add water, possibly hot. Wait for the magic to unfold right before your very eyes. Pour and drink. If you want to go all out, you grind your own coffee beans.

    Recently I've seen more and more of these pointless gadgets where you insert a little foil capsule into a complicated piece of equipment and out comes a mediocre cup of coffee that has cost probably 10 times as much as a good cup of hand-made coffee; and you will have left a huge, reeking carbon footprint in the process. Plus, after a while you will have convinced yourself that you could never go back to doing it the old way - in other words, you have become dependent on a silly gadget, a little bit more helpless.

    I suppose that is exactly where the industry wants us: unable to cook our own food, so we have to rely on ready made crap, unable to perform even the simplest of everyday tasks, because we rely on household machinery. Why do people fall for it? We honestly don't need most of these things unless we suffer from a physical disability; and they don't actually save us any meaningful time - by which I mean time we then spend on doing things that are worth doing rather than sit down to watch tv or play computer games.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by GroeFaZ ( 850443 )
      And what do you propose to do about it, if anything? If that's what the people want, then by all means, let them have it; isn't that the whole point of a relatively free market, to be able to decide what to spend money on? As for people becoming helpless imbeciles regarding their own food: where I live, books and TV shows about cooking have seen a massive surge in popularity over the last few years, so the sky may, after all, not yet be falling. At least not everywhere.
    • Not to disagree with you, but to note that a capsule *seems* more user friendly compared with the relatively messiness of doing coffee the cheaper, old fashioned, way.

      People become dependent on these machines in the same way they lock themselves in to proprietary software solutions: the coffee capsules are not interchangeable, which allows companies to hike prices for them as they see fit.

      Think bubblejet printers and the extortionate prices of ink. Any geek/nerd falling for the same trick when it comes to c

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Prune ( 557140 )
        Sad thing is that when I was doing my degree in the graphics lab of UBC's comp.sci. department, they actually got a superautomatic espresso machine. Getting decent coffee out of that thing is impossible. The machine uses a piston to tamp and does so with the exact same pressure every time, oblivious to the state of the coffee and grind, and stops extraction whenever X amount of liquid comes out of the spout. It's ridiculous, that's not how you make espresso...

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Prune ( 557140 )
      Same thing with the superautomatic espresso machines. To think that the machine would perform proper tamping technique taking into account the age of the coffee, gind fineness, etc., and that it can figure out when to stop extraction when it's not just a matter of a fixed time period but color and shape of the stream, and the look of the crema in the cup, is silly. Yet it's what any good barista does with a manually-controlled espresso machine (good = NOT Starbucks)
  • I dunno, less ads dressed as news on slashdot perhaps?

  • Check with the Internet Engineering Task Force (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JakartaDean ( 834076 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @03:22AM (#23835923) Journal
    Well, I hope someone is checking whether this thing is truly RFC 2324 compliant.

    http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324 [ietf.org]

    • Re:Check with the Internet Engineering Task Force (Score:4, Funny)

      by saforrest ( 184929 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @05:33AM (#23836513) Journal
      Well, I hope someone is checking whether this thing is truly RFC 2324 compliant.

      I was just going to mention that RFC 2324 considered this problem way back in 1998, in section 7 "Security Considerations":

      7. Security Considerations

      Anyone who gets in between me and my morning coffee should be insecure.

      Unmoderated access to unprotected coffee pots from Internet users might lead to several kinds of "denial of coffee service" attacks. The improper use of filtration devices might admit trojan grounds. Filtration is not a good virus protection method.

  • Mornings for me... (Score:5, Funny)

    by ockegheim ( 808089 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @03:39AM (#23836003)
    ...involve coffee and a hacking cough, so maybe it would suit me.

    Reminds me of the toaster in Red Dwarf.

    My coffee machine was designed in the 1950s, and makes brilliant coffee if you put enough love in.

  • Ahem (Score:2, Interesting)

    by TBerben ( 1061176 )
    The should have just run NetBSD on it, like on the toaster [embeddedarm.com]
  • Could someone hack into *our* coffee machine and make the coffee taste better?
  • RIAA sues coffee machine.

  • It could actually be dangerous... (Score:5, Funny)

    by ewrong ( 1053160 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @04:55AM (#23836367)
    1: Hack your competitiors coffee machine.
    2: Set it to only serve decaff.
    3: Sit back and watch their productivity go through the floor.

  • I wonder (Score:5, Funny)

    by Etrigoth ( 1119741 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @05:01AM (#23836393)
    Is this technically a Java exploit ?

    *sorry*

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday June 18, 2008 @06:07AM (#23836649)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion

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