All Your Coffee Are Belong To Us 354
Wolf nipple chips writes "Craig Wright discovered that the Jura F90 Coffee maker, with its honest-to-God Jura Internet Connection Kit, can be taken over by a remote attacker, who can cause the coffee to be weaker or stronger; change the amount of water per cup; or cause the machine to require service (call this one a DDoC). 'Best yet, the software allows a remote attacker to gain access to the Windows XP system it is running on at the level of the user.' An Internet-enabled, remote-controlled coffee-machine and XP backdoor — what more could a hacker ask for?"
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Have the RIAA sent it a DMCA takedown notice for sharing files [slashdot.org] yet?
PC LOAD COFFEE
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If there's not a slider lever in the tray to accept Darjeeling media, I'm afraid it will never take off in the UK, dooming these machines to the same fate as A4-incompatible printers.
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The solution I proposed there was that a coffee pot does not get a full Internet connection. Instead of the default being full access we switch to default deny. It only gets to connect to the local net at all after authentication. And it only gets access that is appropriate to its function and consistent with site policy. Obviously the typical consumer is not going to be writing security policies so this process is going to have to be automated which is where a small amount of Semantic Web technology comes in.
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Yes, I made a horrible pun.
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Here's some extra text to get past the caps filter.
Hey Editors, Proofreed, PLEASE (Score:3, Funny)
For the English speaking crowd, I think just deleating teh word "Are" would help it make more sense.
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Yeah, that's right, I said it. [wikipedia.org]
Bah! (Score:5, Funny)
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For me, its all about whole beans ground mere seconds before they are put through a decent drip system.
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Espresso (Score:2)
Geeks have an income; I'm sure that a fair few of us can afford decent coffee, and have the temprement to learn to work the machine!
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Extremely happy with my purchase. They came with the stainless base with the little drawers too, as I bought them as a pair.
The only issue with the Silvia is a the dead gap temperature control. If you want really consistent shots, you either have to temperature surf (google it) or install a PID.
That said, the pair, with a little practice and my corretto [wikipedia.org], make some tasty-assed coffee.
Not the best, buy hey, I'm trying: Latte art image [pithed.org]
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http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress.htm [aerobie.com]
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Re:Bah! (Score:5, Funny)
Hmm...I don't think I've ever been to a party where coffee was an issue...??
Usually we're concerned on not running out of beer, wine or liquor...
"Hey Phil, the Tigers are about to score again, can ya toss me a nice hot latte without too much foam?? Your out? WTF? Ok...I'm outta here, lets to to the local Starbucks, where they know how to treat a sports crowd!!"
Re:Bah! (Score:4, Funny)
This is true. Americans brew extremely weak coffee, but to compensate it's usually Central- and South-American coffee high in organic acids, so it's quite sour. So sour that most people mix large amounts of milk/cream and sugar in their coffee. Ask for a "regular" coffee here in New England, and you'll get about one quarter of the cup filled with light cream ("Half and half"), and enough sugar to keep you high for a few hours.
Worse, Americans serve and drink luke warm coffee. Where Europeans would want both their sauna, dishwater and coffee to be close to the temperature of boiling water, Americans are cowards, and not smart enough to prevent themselves or others from scalding.
Hot coffee doesn't create 2nd degree burns. Morons armed with hot coffee create 2nd degree burns.
Is this bashing America? Perhaps so, but I am an American and demand my constitutional right to do so.
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...or I could order one on amazon [amazon.com] and save myself the expensive airline ticket :-P. My dad used to use one of these for his late-night french roast cuppa' (note: his roast preference, not mine).
I've heard lots of good things about the Aero Press [amazon.com] (already mentioned downthread) which I hope to try next.
I'm currently using a cafetiere and I've still yet to try the Aero press, but so far, I think I prefer the Moka.
Re:Bah! (Score:4, Interesting)
The Moka pot is extremely fast, and most importantly very easy to clean, which is the downfall of many coffee makers.
In fact it's so convenient I'm thinking of getting a single cup pot. Sometimes I get fresh dark roasted beans and put them in the freezer. Then when I want a cup of coffee I grind them in a brass Turkish coffee grinder, and brew them up in a Moka for a real treat -- better than what you get in most coffee bars over here. The problem is that it takes too long to hand grind enough coffee for six cups.
With a single cup pot I could go from whole beans in a freezer to a fresh cup of Moka in maybe five or six minutes.
I used to think about getting a home espresso machine, but since I've been using the Moka, I have lost interest. I actually think the Moka pot is cooler. The expensive machines like when you go to somebody's house and they pull out a bottle of $100 wine and it's pretty good. Of course it's good. The Moka machine is like going to somebody's house and drinking a great glass of wine, then he shows you the bottle and it has a $12 sticker on it. The guy who can find a great $12 wine is the one who really knows what he's doing.
If I had almost $2000 to drop on a coffee machine, I'd get a bean roaster, an electric grinder, and couple of 12 cup Moka pots. I'd be ready to churn out better coffee than any home machine, and faster too, with enough money left over to keep me supplied with top notch unroasted beans for a long time. You can get a 5lb bag of unroasted estate Jamaica Blue Mountain for a bit over $30, but roasted whole beans will set you back more like $40/lb.
Of course, I'm not really that into coffee (I can stop any time I want), so preroasted, preground coffee does fine for me.
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You're not supposed to keep them clinically clean. As any Italian will tell you, only wash a cafitiere [wikipedia.org] with warm water - no washing up liquid or other kind of detergent. Not only will this increase the life of the rubber sealing ring, it improves the taste over time as the jug becomes coated with a coffee residue (even the Wikipedia article mentions this). As for burning the coffee, what are you using to heat the thing, a flamethrower? As the water reservoir heats, steam is passed through the ground coffee, meaning it can't burn unless you're heating the sides of the cafetiere.
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Then again, given my background and profession, I'd be heavily biased toward "clinically clean" even if it did throw the flavor off.
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An espresso maker, on the other hand, is an option.
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No, really, not all of us can stand it at just below boiling point, it's too hot.
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Water at 212 (100C) extracts too many of the bitter compounds that are present in the beans, which actually detracts from the flavor.
See:
http://www.boyds.com/coffee/brewingguide.html [boyds.com]
http://www.coffeeresearch.org/coffee/brewing.htm [coffeeresearch.org]
In practice, that means taking the pot off the boil, waiting maybe 10 seconds, THEN pouring the water over the coffee grounds.
Many home coffeemakers (Technivorm [sweetmarias.com] excluded) don't come c
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It's called a cafetiere.
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Nah, not any more. Bush is touring Europe now. He's best buddies with all of us, apparently.
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In the end, however, espresso made with a modded (PID temperature controller and some piping for preheating) machine, and proper tamping technique, is the pinnacle of coffeedom.
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Aeropress (Score:4, Interesting)
1) way faster than a french press
2) no need to boil the water. Just use an instant hot water tap on the water cooler. Because it brews so fast, and it's all plastic you don't need to have super hot starting water to end up with a very hot drink
3) No additional stuff to clean
4) it's self cleaning without a sink. press out the syringe and the coffee plug falls into the trash can and it's all clean,dry and ready to go back in your drawer.
5) I usually brew an americano (watery espresso) and I find the low acidity of the reduced temperature brewing means I no longer need cream in my coffee. This too is especially useful in the office environment since I don't need a refrigerator and a stock of fresh milk, or messy yucky white powders.
(by the way who was the genius who labeled sysco's coffee creamer "coffee whitener", as though turning it white was the real objecive. It's like something out of Repo man. Tack one of those in the middle of an 8-foot canvas and call it Andy Warhol pop art).
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Java? (Score:5, Funny)
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coffee.add(sugar)
coffee.add(milk)
OutOfMemoryException
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Sex? (Score:5, Funny)
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Tea (Score:5, Funny)
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Webcam?
The first thing that came to my mind was that it shares a name with the island [wikipedia.org] where 1984 was (partly) written...
Setting the scene (Score:5, Funny)
Special Agent Wilkins: How the Hell did they get in?
Special Agent Thompson: Sir..... I... uh, think they got in through the coffee maker.
Special Agent Wilkins: The What?
Special Agent Thompson: Sir, the coffee maker that we got you for your birthday... the one that you wanted to be able to brew up a cup o joe from your office?
Special Agent Wilkins: Oh fsck me....
Re:Setting the scene (Score:5, Informative)
thanks! (Score:2)
Reminds me of a novel (Score:3, Informative)
Aww man (Score:3, Funny)
I would hate to find out that my coffee had been maliciously replaced with decaf.
What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
Ah, the cleverness of the hack in question is not that they can make the coffee maker to produce coffee, no. The evil hax0rs really want the coffee.
Employee 1: "This has to be the most ridiculous work order I've ever received."
Employee 2: "What is it?"
E1: "At precisely 12:02, I'm supposed to take the cup from the coffee percolator and deliver it to this address a few blocks away."
E2: "What? Are you kidding?"
E1: "No, it's on our company letterhead. Signed by the CEO. 'Deliver this cup of coffee to our IT subcontractor. This may sound like an unusual order, but millions are at stake here.'"
E2: "Well, I wonder what those primadonnas come up with next time?"
wow (Score:2)
EVERYBODY PANIC! (Score:5, Funny)
HTCPCP (Score:5, Funny)
Re:HTCPCP (Score:5, Funny)
That is the essence of the problem.
Not a constantly-connected device (Score:5, Informative)
So this wouldn't have much in the way of applicability unless you knew someone with this particular $2000 coffeemaker, which was already experiencing problems, who had purchased the $100+ coffeemaker diagnostic kit and had the coffeemaker plugged in, through the diagnostic kit, to their PC at the time.
Seems like there are better ways to get into Windows.
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The author seems to go through alot of trouble to refer to everything as 'it' (ie - the coffee maker and the connectivity kit).
AFAIK - the coffee machine itself doesn't run windows, and other than changing the settings on it to whatever you want, you couldn't really do anything else useful with the coffee machine itself.
You could of course gain access to the Wi
At least it was a Coffee Maker... (Score:5, Insightful)
classic example of why... (Score:5, Insightful)
That's why they call it a firewall. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:That's why they call it a firewall. (Score:4, Funny)
Are you kidding? When's the last time you saw any Itanium box?
What's for breakfast? (Score:5, Funny)
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam...
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Ahhh.... so you're a waffle man?
Don't people learn (Score:5, Funny)
wait a minute... (Score:3, Funny)
Not just an attack on the coffee machine (Score:2, Interesting)
Where's John Foster Dulles when you need him? (Score:3, Funny)
So unless a patch is found, you'll need to set up dedicated hosts ready to launch a devastating counter-strike on their coffee machines within the first microsecond of detecting incoming ICDMs (Internet Coffee Datagrams, Malevolent), and trust to an uneasy policy of Mutually Assured Decaffeination to keep the peace.
End of the Internet? (Score:2, Insightful)
Coffee (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Did you hear the ones about... (Score:5, Funny)
Theo De Raadt makes a perfect cup of espresso and then throws it over your shirt.
Forget Osama (Score:2)
Inspired by Bluto [imdb.com]
What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
Access to the coffee his new bot brews?
A culture of helplessness (Score:5, Insightful)
What's the bloody sense in making a thing like this - let alone owning one? It is not exactly demanding, making you own coffee: put ground coffee beans in your favourite cafetiere/filter/mysterious glass thing with a spirit burner, add water, possibly hot. Wait for the magic to unfold right before your very eyes. Pour and drink. If you want to go all out, you grind your own coffee beans.
Recently I've seen more and more of these pointless gadgets where you insert a little foil capsule into a complicated piece of equipment and out comes a mediocre cup of coffee that has cost probably 10 times as much as a good cup of hand-made coffee; and you will have left a huge, reeking carbon footprint in the process. Plus, after a while you will have convinced yourself that you could never go back to doing it the old way - in other words, you have become dependent on a silly gadget, a little bit more helpless.
I suppose that is exactly where the industry wants us: unable to cook our own food, so we have to rely on ready made crap, unable to perform even the simplest of everyday tasks, because we rely on household machinery. Why do people fall for it? We honestly don't need most of these things unless we suffer from a physical disability; and they don't actually save us any meaningful time - by which I mean time we then spend on doing things that are worth doing rather than sit down to watch tv or play computer games.
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Perceived user friendliness (Score:3, Insightful)
People become dependent on these machines in the same way they lock themselves in to proprietary software solutions: the coffee capsules are not interchangeable, which allows companies to hike prices for them as they see fit.
Think bubblejet printers and the extortionate prices of ink. Any geek/nerd falling for the same trick when it comes to c
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what more could a hacker ask for? (Score:2, Insightful)
Check with the Internet Engineering Task Force (Score:5, Interesting)
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324 [ietf.org]
Re:Check with the Internet Engineering Task Force (Score:4, Funny)
I was just going to mention that RFC 2324 considered this problem way back in 1998, in section 7 "Security Considerations":
Mornings for me... (Score:5, Funny)
Reminds me of the toaster in Red Dwarf.
My coffee machine was designed in the 1950s, and makes brilliant coffee if you put enough love in.
Ahem (Score:2, Interesting)
Please... (Score:2, Funny)
In other news... (Score:2)
It could actually be dangerous... (Score:5, Funny)
2: Set it to only serve decaff.
3: Sit back and watch their productivity go through the floor.
I wonder (Score:5, Funny)
*sorry*
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btw, I'm gonna have to ask you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...
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I can. I can stop caffeine any time I want to.
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