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Storm Worm Evolves To Use Tor 182

An anonymous reader writes "Seems like the Storm botnet that was behind the last two waves of attacks is also responsible for this new kind of social-engineering based attacks, using spam to try and convince users of the necessity of using Tor for there communications. They 'kindly' provide a link to download a trojaned version of Tor. This blog entry has a link to the original post on or-talk mailing list which has some samples of the messages."
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Storm Worm Evolves To Use Tor

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  • by Jennifer York ( 1021509 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:29AM (#20528035) Homepage
    I'm surprised that it took this long for them to try to hide their tracks through anonymizers. Perhaps they've been doing this for quite sometime, and just now are we catching on to the technique...

    It just makes sense, and is obvious, and a natural progression of the technology..... Hey! Maybe I should write a patent!

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:32AM (#20528053)
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      • by VGPowerlord ( 621254 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:41AM (#20528101)
        I'm still not sure why people would actually listen to that. I mean... why would anyone just download a random program from a website without looking up said program in, say, google to see what it actually does?
        • Unlikely (Score:5, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:43AM (#20528119)
          Yeah, if people would do crazy shit like that then we'd have botnets consisting of billions of computers... oh wait.
        • Comment removed (Score:4, Informative)

          by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:46AM (#20528133)
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          • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

            by Anonymous Coward
            > as long as the users have some antivirus...

            Since storm is controlled peer-to-peer, shouldn't it be possible to co-opt it into sending out anti-virus spam?

            The real problem with a huge/scary bot net like this, is not that a small group of people can control it, but that in theory anyone can take it over for their own purposes.
        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          I'm still not sure why people would actually listen to that. I mean... why would anyone just download a random program from a website without looking up said program in, say, google to see what it actually does?
          That's easy to solve. Just add a helpful comment to the mail saying:

          If you are not sure if you should install this program, get more information at http://www.evil.org/malware/installer.exe!
        • by rucs_hack ( 784150 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @11:30AM (#20528637)
          if you look at sites like gamecopyworld.com you will find a wealth of programs that people will download for legitimate (in the consumers mind) use, to mean they can keep their game dvds in their boxes. Add 'trainers' and 'fun free games' to the list and your looking at the majority of casual downloads not directly involving pron or media.

          The main problem though is closed source. If source is closed, then there is no easy way to find malicious code before it is deployed on your system. Ok, I'm speaking as a programmer, so that would be useful for me, not a non coder. Still, the point remains, binary distribution only means trouble, be it storm, a sony rootkit, or just 'phone home' code in a program.

          What we need is something sort of like gentoo, where all programs are compiled locally, and the code can be inspected for malicious intent. Alas such technology, while it does exist, does not exist in a form that could be disseminated and used by people with no technological background. This is a pipe dream for the moment, I know this. Especially since I tried once to compile openoffice locally (18 hours I think). Perhaps trusted compile farms that deliver fresh binaries?

          Waxing lyrical I know, but there has to be an answer somewhere.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by ThisNukes4u ( 752508 ) *
            Only if you can also trust the compiler chain [cmu.edu].
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by CastrTroy ( 595695 )
            Just because somebody can verify the code, doesn't mean I want to spend days/weeks looking through all the code in a newly downloaded program, just to verify that it isn't doing something I don't want it to, and hope that I didn't miss anything in the millions of lines of code. Do most people who use Gentoo even bother reading more than 1% of the code? Sure it's good after the fact if you find malware that you can pin it on someone, but the best way to deal with this stuff is don't run software from untru
          • Oh come on! You aren't a real programmer. Everyone knows the binary is the source code. My uncle eddy doesn't even need those fancy disassemblers or debuggers. He edits memory by looking at LEDs and flipping dip switches. Now that is a real programmer.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Iron Condor ( 964856 )

            The main problem though is closed source. If source is closed, then there is no easy way to find malicious code before it is deployed on your system. Ok, I'm speaking as a programmer, so that would be useful for me, not a non coder. Still, the point remains, binary distribution only means trouble, be it storm, a sony rootkit, or just 'phone home' code in a program.

            Not really. In a binary I can at least in principle parse rudimentarily for things like "does this ever call the TCP/IP stack" and raise a fl

        • by plover ( 150551 ) * on Sunday September 09, 2007 @12:00PM (#20528865) Homepage Journal
          Because the modestly intelligent person you are hoping for might think, "This says to install tor, let me open a new window and google for it. Hey, this tor thing looks pretty good!" It's the sort of reaction we encourage people to have, to do some research before installing.

          Of course, they then follow the original link from the worm and they still get the trojan. So close, and yet so far... sigh.

        • Come on, if there was such kind of stupid people on earth, we would have Bush as the President of the USA, people telling Cuba is a Democracy, and Lula would be president of Brasil. No way I can see this as a likely scenario.
    • by Urd.Yggdrasil ( 1127899 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:42AM (#20528105)
      They aren't using Tor to hide their traffic, their trying to trick users into download a Trojan saying that it is a Tor executable and they need to protect their privacy. The Storm bot net uses a system called Fast Flux to hide traffic.
  • by A beautiful mind ( 821714 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:35AM (#20528061)
    As always, it works based on user stupidity, not programmer stupidity.
  • Anybody here taking this activity more seriously? For instance, is there a possibility that this is a military operation? Seems a lot more advanced than most of the usual spam/bot/virus stuff I read about. I hope they don't screw up TOR, especially since I'm living in more and more of a police state these days (US).
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by memnock ( 466995 )
      if TOR goes down, it's likely another network would pop up in it's place.
    • Re:Ummm. (Score:5, Funny)

      by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:43AM (#20528115)

      Seems a lot more advanced than most of the usual spam/bot/virus stuff I read about.
      You mean... More intelligently designed?

       
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      For instance, is there a possibility that this is a military operation?
      No, this is private entrprise at its best - the high tech goes where the money is.

      What is surprising is that it's taken so long for the spammers to realise that by investing ih a high tech, well engineered solution they can make far more money than the low tech solutions we've seen in the past.
      • Most spammers are very stupid, looking for "big profits" with little or no efforts.

        Unfortunately over time they have hired some reasonably smart programmers and those guys have built up techniques that are now hard to beat. Also, a lot of the small fry spammers have been closed down by filters and controls (the main problem they now generate is funding the hard core spamemrs by buying their spamming services and software). So spamming has evolved by survival of the fittest.
  • Spelling... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by rumith ( 983060 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:42AM (#20528109)

    using spam to try and convince users of the necessity of using Tor for there communications.
    It took me a second to understand what the author meant. Spell-checking, anyone?

    Speaking on topic, I'd like to correct one of the previous posters: it's not a mere variation on the "Use XXX Bank" theme; as far as I understand, Tor has been picked among tons of other software that could be infected and supplied to users because it helps the spammers in covering their tracks, since their email is routed through Tor now.

    • as far as I understand, Tor has been picked among tons of other software that could be infected and supplied to users because it helps the spammers in covering their tracks, since their email is routed through Tor now.

      I had always heard that Tor was not useful for sending spam, since it imposes so much overhead (ever notice how much slower everything is on Tor?). Besides, if a botnet is being used to send spam, what would Tor be useful for, except maybe anonymizing traffic between the bots and the master

  • by kryptkpr ( 180196 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:43AM (#20528113) Homepage
    There is an excellent article in Wired from several weeks ago from when Storm was used to DDoS the entire country of Estonia for 2 weeks. A fantastic read, but here's a particularly scary excerpt: Hackers Take Down the Most Wired Country in Europe [wired.com]

    If that is the case -- if Azizov isn't trying to cloud the issue -- the implication is perhaps more troubling. It suggests that there is a group of Russian hackers who, on their own, can disrupt the routine functioning of commerce, media, and government any time they want. If so, these hackers represent a stateless power -- a sort of private militia.

    While the article does contain a lot of speculation and sketchy sources (like the above quoted Azizov) the evidence does seem to be pointing in a particular direction:

    I ask him why anyone would trust him. After all, he seems to have a suspiciously intimate knowledge of the Estonian attacks. "Russian IT specialists are knowledgeable and experienced enough to destroy the key servers of whole states," he says. "They're the best in the world."

    The implication: Clearly you want them on your side, so why not hire them? Maybe Estonia was simply an advertising campaign.

    It's starting to look an awful lot like another Cold War is coming, except this time it will be a Cyber war waged by turning your enemy's (and the rest of the world's) poorly secured computers against their critical infrastructure while the actual government absolves itself of blame. Nice.
    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      by Opportunist ( 166417 )
      And who made it all possible? Clueless morons who can't keep their computer updated and click everything sent to them. But of course, you can't do a thing against them. After all, they're who make everyone happy. ISPs, because they pay without using bandwidth. "Service" providers, because they pay for crap they could get easily for free. And of course various other companies who sell crap through the net. And hey, they even give me absolute job security, because for as long as those idiots litter the net, I
      • So, now mod me flamebait and let's go on with our lives as long as we can. Sorry for the rant, but I'm really getting fed up. For every crappy thing in life you need some license, some test, some qualification, or at least you're liable if you turn out to be too stupid to operate it safely. But on the 'net...

        Why? Personally, I think you're 100% on target. Fifteen years ago, loss of internet connectivity was a nuisance at worst. Now, it could be the difference between your business turning a profit or folding. The 'net is central to many businesses, and if if an entire country can be taken offline, it'd be trivial to do it to, say, a rival corporation. Most banks are pushing their online banking systems for all they're worth - I can easily see a bank taking out a hit on their opposition's website, complete loss

        • Why mod me flamebait? Because I say something uncomfortable. I ask for a license to do something. And personally, I'd love to go without, instead using some kind of system of logic and brains, where you sit down, educate yourself and use common sense when using the internet. By that system, we'd neither need licenses for driving, owning firearms or dangerous animals, etc.

          Unfortunately, people are too stupid, careless or simply negligant to work that way. We want to have rights, but we'd rather not deal with
    • by KZigurs ( 638781 )
      Why, exactly, do you think that Estonia affair had anything to do with "THE STORM"?
      In fact is there even a reference to this in the article you cite?
      • I put two and two together. There are references to "almost a million computers world-wide" participating in the attack. Typical botnets only have on the order of 10k-100k machines, only Storm is big enough to have reached millions of zombies.
        • by KZigurs ( 638781 )
          You are missing one more detail - given the heat of the issue almost any kiddie wannabies in russia (and there are a lot of them) with any kinda control over some machines (and almost any of those kiddie wannabies actually have a few spare servers/machines hijacked there and here - on order of 10-20k machines for an average scene group is not unusual) rised to arms, not to mention state groups chiming in. Had it had anything to do with the superadvertised storm it would have been a totally different story.
          F
  • Seriously, somewhere, there ought to be a way of tracking the stormbot people back to its originators. From there, you can just send in a special forces team and just whack the guys. If one nation allows its citizens to hijacking of the assets of millions of another nation's citizens, isn't that just piracy by any other name, and if so, isn't that kind of an act of war?
    • by Urd.Yggdrasil ( 1127899 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:53AM (#20528165)
      The group running the system is taking precautions to avoid detection, such as using Fast Flux [honeynet.org] Also it is speculated that they are in a former Soviet block country, which tend to have very poor laws and few resources to go after such people.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Colin Smith ( 2679 )
        Damnit. The bad guys get all the best software!
         
      • I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC, could theoretically help this. But is that true? Could the MAC be spoofed? Or, could an ISP include coupling hardware that validates the MAC and the packet sent are the same? Theoretically, you could require that in network hardware manufacturing, so that a NIC Card would not be allowed to transmit a packet with an address that wasn't from it. But would that be enough?

        Even if you weren't ideologically predisposed to sending in the SEALs to whack people
        • > "I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC, could theoretically help this. But is that true? Could the MAC be spoofed? Or, could an ISP include coupling hardware that validates the MAC and the packet sent are the same? Theoretically, you could require that in network hardware manufacturing, so that a NIC Card would not be allowed to transmit a packet with an address that wasn't from it. But would that be enough?"

          I only have a cursory knowledge of IPv6 but I don't believe there's anything in ther
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC...

          IPv6 only includes the MAC if it is configured using Stateless Autoconfiguration, and if Privacy Extensions are not turned on. If it is configured using some stateful method, like DHCPv6 or a static IPv6 address, the address could be anything. Likewise, if Privacy Extensions are turned on, then Stateless Autoconfiguration will rotate among random address that don't include the MAC, but are still unlikely to collide with other hosts' addresses.

          But what g

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 09, 2007 @10:07AM (#20528229)

      Seriously, somewhere, there ought to be a way of tracking the stormbot people back to its originators.
      Theoretically "yes". But in practice the answer is "no".

      The people running this botnet can choose from millions of computers they want to use as anonymous bouncers/routers. And they can tripwire their nodes so that after 30 minutes of use as a bouncer, the hard disks are overwritten with 0's (although in most cases this isn't required as IP addresses wouldn't be stored anyway).

      A chain of 20 hacked computers spanning the globe operating as routers is not easy to trace. You have to talk to each owner in the chain one-by-one and catch the bounced connection in realtime to reveal the IP for the next node in the chain. And the attackers can obfuscate their presence by programming their bots to simulate these proxy connections at random. Imagine having to trace through 100,000 chains, each containing 20-30 routing nodes. These chains are completely dynamic and randomly change every half an hour.

      The Storm botnet is almost the "perfect hack" unless the perpetrators make some big mistakes. If the owners of this botnet installed Freenet on all the bots, we'd have an unenforceable darknet which can only be blocked (maybe! - if you're really lucky) at the ISP. Anyone could tap into this new darknet and do as much internet crime as they like without ever having to worry about getting caught.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by 1u3hr ( 530656 )
        Theoretically "yes". But in practice the answer is "no". The people running this botnet can choose from millions of computers they want to use as anonymous bouncers/routers

        So work from the other end. How do they make their money? Sending spam, apparently. How does spam make money? Currently, either by getting suckers to send money to them (viagra, Rolexes, etc) or pumping stocks the spammers have bought. In both cases, there must be a money trail, much easier to track than chasing a chain of proxies. T

        • There are a couple other ways these people make money:
          --Phishing, with the fake sites hosted on compromised machines
          --Racketeering - "That's a nice website you got there. It'd be a shame if something....happened to it, capiche?"
          --Mercenary - one company/country/individual pays the botnet owner to DDoS or crack an enemy's machine

          Now the first of these leaves a money trail of some sort, as long as the phisher does a wire transfer. If it's a credit-card phishing scheme, it's much harder to trace, partic
          • by 1u3hr ( 530656 )
            Now the first of these leaves a money trail of some sort....

            Yes, some would be hard, some easy. But these guys probably launch attacks very frequently, Once a week -- once a day? If even a small percentage of attacks/scams/etc could be tracked back to them, and they faced criminal charges they wouldn't be so cocky. Now only a few are caught per year through incredible stupidity or carelessness. They feel invulnerable. Pick some of them off and this would change quickly. Perhaps attacking infrastructure is

    • by Afecks ( 899057 )
      There you have it folks. Murder, the answer for everything.
  • by DrSkwid ( 118965 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:48AM (#20528149) Journal
    it is easier to infiltrate there[sic] communications.

  • by yuna49 ( 905461 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @10:24AM (#20528285)
    The Storm worm isn't using Tor.

    The spam email in question tells the reader that, if they are running torrents, they should use this Tor thing to cover their tracks. The link points to the trojan. The file in question is about 150K in size, or about 20x smaller than the Windows version of Tor (2-3 MB) on the actual site [eff.org].

    I posted a warning about this very email on a well-known anime site since I suspected some people there might download it in response to the e-mail.

    There's also a version that poses as a YouTube video.

    Most of these emails have URLs that use IP addresses, not domain names. Between my SpamAssassin rules and Mozilla Thunderbird's built-in anti-malware protections, messages like these are either quarantined or tagged as dangerous. I've not seen an legitimate email from any correspondent that uses URLs with IP addresses in the host part.

    I opened the YouTube version in a Windows VM that had Kaspersky installed. It identified an attempted replacement of tcpip.sys and told me it should be quarantined. Unfortunately a ClamAV scan of the file did not detect anything suspicious.

    • ...that it's akin to closing the barn door after all your livestock's gone out it.

      In order for pretty much all Anti-Virus software to work, you're skimming for signatures patterns in the bytes
      that leave a tell-tale for the software to "identify" it. It's always lagging by a bit, by the reality of the situation, so
      it's truly a reactive solution to a problem that needs more of a proactive one.

      That's not to say that the software is not useful for detection of attacks (much like an IDS is for networking...)
    • by yuna49 ( 905461 )
      Just an update.

      Today's version of these scams is a phony NFL Game Tracker.

      "Football Season Is Finally here!
      We can keep you on top of every single game this season.
      Get all your game info daily from our online game tracker:"

      Once again the spam sends you to a site using a URL with an IP address in the host part.
  • Seriously, the BEST tool against botnets, virii, worms, etc. is Education. If all computer users understood basic key ideas about not downloading crap from emails, running firewall software and keeping their A/V software up-to-date there would be a huge reduction in the number of infections. The sad fact though is that only a select few people understand these basic ideas and arte actually VIGILANT about sticking to them.

    My suggestion:

    Setup a nationwide network of community educators. Local organizers

    • by westyvw ( 653833 )
      Education maybe, like get away from windows as soon as possible? Obviously. But your second statement is very worrying: I dont want my ISP to give me any software or cut access, and I dont what them thinking that way at all. They already try and force me to use their crapware. No thanks.
      • Moving people away from windows to say Ubuntu works for newbies who have never used the computer before, as they're learning something new. What makes it really difficult for the masses is that most people have already gotten used to Windows, and would give their right arm to keep using Windows. Trying to entice them to use something else is extremely difficult because they love the status quo. At that point its more effective to teach them how to be safe than uproot what they have already learned.

        I think

    • by Xtravar ( 725372 )
      I think these people are learning through experience!

      When their ISPs cut them off for spamming, or their personal information is stolen, or any other number of malware things happen... maybe they'll get a clue.
  • My question is.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by XenophileJKO ( 988224 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @11:52AM (#20528781)
    If the command and control and updating is done via peer to peer instead of a centralized server, why has nobody created a "Vaccine" that would spread itself back to all the infected nodes. The code can't be that hard to crack to determine how to insert new functionality into the infected hosts. Just inject a new command to spread this update to all your peers and after you succeed, close down all of the command and control vectors. Cleanup and fixing the holes originally used for infection would clearly be useful too, but unnecessary to contain the damage. Really there are tons of things you could do.

    I mean this might create an "arms race" where they continue to lock down access to the botnet, but I would love to see the looks on their faces when large sections of the botnet stop responding to commands.

    Seriously as "Brilliant" as these guys are I guarantee there are probably people smarter that can crack their network. I know what I am talking about is probably not legal, but it surely is ethical.
    • The Nachi worm [nai.com] was written to search out computers infected with the now-famous Blaster worm and patch the computer with a Microsoft patch. It replicated itself around the world, and once the patch had been implemented and the Blaster worm deleted it deleted itself. Unfortunately it created a heck of a lot of traffic on infected networks [zdnet.com], which slowed them down considerably.
      • It notes that:

        Railway and freight hauler CSX had to stop trains because of the Nachi worm, the Associated Press reported.

        Airline Air Canada canceled flights on Tuesday because its network couldn't deal with the amount of traffic generated by the Nachi worm.

        Though it cleared out the blaster worm, it created a hell of a lot of damage itself by the mere fact that it clogged networks with traffic.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          Yes, but you understand the fundamental difference I hope. The Nachi worm was a worm that had to FIND infected hosts. Therefore it had to look using a port scanner which when you have thousands of machines scanning thousands of IP's creates huge amout of traffic.

          In this situation, the beauty is that you don't have to create a "worm" in the classical sense. Each infected client maintains a "peer" list so all you do is "fix" it's peers, it would cause a cascade failure of the botnet and use up much much less
    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      There is a certain beauty to playing core wars on the live internet.

      As for why not, law enforcement and the courts (at least in the U.S.) are notorious for not taking intent into account when it comes to computer related activity. Even if the person was eventually aquitted, it sounds like a great deal of life disruption. In addition, rumor has it that the botnets are under control of the Russian Mafia.

      So, the only people who will want to try this are those who are out of reach of the Russian Mafia and th

    • Just inject a new command to spread this update to all your peers and after you succeed, close down all of the command and control vectors.

      No. Spread like wildfire, then after a short delay, wipe the drives.

      Really.

      Excepting the possibility of the worms using some 0-day exploit we don't know about yet, these are caused by people who couldn't be bothered to patch their systems, run AV scanners, use a firewall, or not click every OmGPupp1es.jpg.exe they come across. We've been telling people to do this stuff for years but no one listens because there's no real penalty for not doing so, other than the occasional sluggish computer (which pe

  • gets a sneak peek at Slashdot headlines:

    "hmmm, what is going on in the far off fantastical future of 2007?"

    Bringing Science and Math Into Writing?

    "Ah, an age old problem"

    Libraries Defend Open Access

    "Some sort of Fahrenheit 451 situation? has the government gone fascist? or the russians won the cold war?"

    New Legislation Proposed For Nuclear Safety

    "Ah! Chernobyl is still fresh in their minds! At least it seems we didn't nuke each other"

    Storm Worm Evolves to Use Tor

    "SWEET JESUS! DUNE IS REAL!? AND IN CAHOOTS WITH THE SCANDINAVIAN GODS? WHATR SORT OF SCIFI FANTASY FUTURE IS THIS!"
  • Storm isn't using TOR, it claims its installer to be a TOR proxy. C'mon, malware has been claiming to be something useful for ages, why's this news?
  • by sjmurdoch ( 193425 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @01:00PM (#20529359) Homepage

    Actually, if you're using an unpatched browser, you might not even have to download the file they offer to be infected. The web page includes Javascript exploits for half a dozen security vulnerabilities, which will install the trojan without user interaction. I've posted an analysis [lightbluetouchpaper.org] of the malware code on my blog.

    Despite what the article says, Storm isn't using Tor (other than trying to exploit it's reputation) and the download isn't a trojaned version of Tor – it's much too small to be that. What's more, the botnet operators appear to have dropped this strategy. While on Thursday the links in the spam went to a fake Tor download [lightbluetouchpaper.org] page, on Friday they showed a fake YouTube video [lightbluetouchpaper.org], and now they show a fake NFL game tracker [johnhsawyer.com].

  • by shava ( 56341 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @01:06PM (#20529423) Homepage
    This attack is not using our network or our software, only abusing our reputation. We sent this release to slashdot and others, days ago:

    ====
    The Tor Project, a US non-profit organisation producing Internet
    privacy software, is issuing an urgent warning about a spam email
    being circulated as a fake promotion for their software.

    The real Tor software provides privacy on the Internet to journalists,
    bloggers and human rights activists all over the world. The spam email
    promotes the virtues of the software, but then directs people to a
    series of fake websites that contain malicious code that will attempt
    to take over visiting machines, and the downloaded software is fake
    and equally dangerous to run.

    The real website is hosted at http://tor.eff.org/ [eff.org] and the Tor
    software can be downloaded from there. Users are able to check that
    they have received the official version by following the instructions
    at: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/Ver ifyingSignatures [noreply.org]

    Shava Nerad, Development Director for the Tor Project said, "I am
    disgusted that criminals who want to recruit more machines for their
    illegal activities should trade on our reputation for providing
    privacy on the Internet. Fortunately we already have systems in place
    so that people can verify that they are downloading the official
    software. But this is a distraction from our work that we could do
    without."
    ====

    This stuff makes us sad. But you won't even get a trojanned client, just a trojan. And the page you click through to will try to exploit holes in your browser security, so don't even click through.

    Yrs,
    Shava Nerad
    Development Director
    The Tor Project
  • by Anonymous Coward


    If they add a large number of trojaned Tor clients to the network, it will undermine the privacy of Tor communications and allow things like traffic analysis.

    This isn't necessarily a ploy to use Tor, this may be a ploy to compromise Tor.

    Any chance that storm might be the work of a government?
  • by gatkinso ( 15975 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @03:41PM (#20530729)
    Human beings modify them, fix bugs, and upgrade them. Be it a computer virus, spreadsheet, or operating system.

    Sometimes they intentionally break them.

    But they don't spontaneously "evolve", "mutate", or any other such thing.

    Christ.

  • by master_p ( 608214 ) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @06:03PM (#20531879)
    Apart from user stupidity, is Windows to blame for this situation? if Windows had a better security model, would there be such problems?

    Can a massive lawsuit against Microsoft work?
    • In this particular case its social engineering of ignorant users that is the biggest culprit. Saying that however, Windows in my opinion should have much better safeguards against the trojan once downloaded. At that point is like trying to control a bull in a china shop with the way Windows is built.

      I don't think such a lawsuit against Microsoft would work, granted the legions of lawyers at their dispoal. Also the fact that the user is infact at fault, though unknowingly for letting it in.

      A zero-day worm

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