Splogs Clog Blog Services 241
SuperWebTech writes "A new generation of spam has emerged lately in the form of automatically-created spam blogs, or "splogs." One wily programmer manipulated Blogger's API to create a "spamalanche" of thousands of blogs whose sole purpose was to increase their real sites' pagerank. This clogged search engine results while filling RSS feed services with useless listings. Though Google, Blogger's owner, is doing its best to fix the problem, in the meantime several services have stopped listing any site they host. So far nobody has found a solution."
Username trend? (Score:5, Interesting)
Maybe start by disabling new blogs.
Flag all usernames that meet that basic regex criteria.
Hand filter that bunch.
Add the same captcha you have on your comment system to the posting system.
Re-enable registration.
Seems kind of elementary, doesn't it? Why not try it?
Re:Username trend? (Score:5, Insightful)
With all the efforts spammers do to avoid baisian filtering on e-mail, don't you think they will change their username format to something else half an hour after you implement this regex? Probably to something more variable (and dictionary based).
Hand filter that bunch.
And hand filtering thousands of blogs which are created automatically does not seem feasible...
Re:Username trend? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Username trend? (Score:2)
Yes, but they'll have to contend with the captcha system, which is far more difficult. The name pattern is just to id the initial set to review, not a permanent thing.
And hand filtering thousands of blogs which are created automatically does not seem feasible...
Bah. Google has plenty of cash. They could hire temps to do it and knock it out in a few days.
Re:Username trend? (Score:2)
The catpcha system is an interesting problem but not insurmountable. The third-world anti-captcha sweatshop seems like a pretty tricky thing to circumvent.
...advertising also has the advantage of placement v.s. cost. They can charge more to advertise if the medium is more expensive to advertise in.
Re:Username trend? (Score:3, Insightful)
* I hate most blogoneologisms, but kind of like this one. Can we look forward to splogcasts in the future?
Splogs? Seriously wtf (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Splogs? Seriously wtf (Score:5, Funny)
On a similar note, I think "Splogs Clog Blog Logs" would be a much better title.
There should be an annual Seuss day where all article titles must be tongue twisters, and all summaries must be done in nonsensical rhyme.
Re:Splogs? Seriously wtf (Score:2)
Re:Splogs? Seriously wtf (Score:2)
Maybe mentioning Google trumps the need for ominous speculation.
Green Eggs and Spam (Score:5, Funny)
Spam jams Stan's LAN.
Guy's WiFi goes awry.
CERN confirms worm, firms squirm.
Forget cassette and diskette, USB key snazzy.
Nimrods applaud iPods abroad, while tightwads called slipshod clawed screen fraud.
One Phish, Two Phish.
Red Phish, Blue Phish.
So far nobody has found a solution. (Score:2)
Word verification? (Score:5, Insightful)
Blogger already requires word verification for posting comments (if the blog admin turns it on) - am I missing something or would this also work to at least alleviate the splog problem too?
IP address/domain-name checking? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:IP address/domain-name checking? (Score:2)
Re:Word verification? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes and no. CAPTCHAs solve the problem for things like Slashdot, where you just have to worry about trolls with too much time on their hands. But when it comes to spam, there's a value to beating them, so what some enterprising spammers do is set up porn sites that tell people "enter the word you see here and get free porn!". Lots of horny geeks do the spammers' work for them. The difference between the two scenarios is that the spammers are willing to pay minute amounts to beat the CAPTCHAs, but the trolls aren't.
Re:Word verification? (Score:2)
OTOH, trolls are smart, whereas spammers aren't. If spammers were smart we'd see lots more linkspam in ASP and Coldfusion sites.
Vulnerable ASP sites exist in the millions, and candidates can be found easily using a simple google search...
However, most of these sites are pretty obscure, and an ASP site is not worthwhile for a troll if it is too low-profile (indeed, w
Re:Word verification? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Word verification? (Score:2)
I've seen this mentioned a lot but haven't ever actually seen a porn site that does this. Can you please provide some references? Because I really want to know if this is something that actually
Re:Word verification? (Score:2)
Really? How do you know this? I know the idea has been proposed and is mentioned quite often, but if you can't give a URL for a captcha-porn site, I must conclude that this is still an urban legend.
Word verification is obsolete (Score:5, Informative)
All these approaches are in active use.
Re:Word verification is obsolete (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Word verification? (Score:4, Informative)
There's also PWNTcha, a CAPTCHA decoder. [zoy.org] (Previously slashdotted.)
They deserve it (Score:2, Funny)
Re:They deserve it (Score:2)
Heck, I'm a web developer for a company getting regular complaints that my efforts aren't giving the company site a better PR, and I have to explain that it could
Would explain... (Score:3, Funny)
This is what Google Blogs if for... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this may be the beginning of a wholehearted launch of "Google Blog". This issue has also been reported on the "TWiT Podcast" hosted by Leo Laporte. I can't remember which episode number it is, but if you search iTunes podcasts database, you should be able to find it.
Example of Google-Bombing. Go to Google and search "Miserable Failure" and hit "I Feel Lucky". Regardless of what your opinions are. That type of behavior is still wrong.
Re:This is what Google Blogs if for... (Score:2)
Re:This is what Google Blogs if for... (Score:2)
Managed RSS feeds are more interesting (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, those become less valuable when folks add RSS feeds that aren't specific to the topic, so that Java posts show up in the Ruby feeds and all that. That can be tricky too, though; does this post [blogs.com] go under Jabber or PostgreSQL? Dunno.
Capcha? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Capcha? (Score:2)
Re:Capcha? (Score:2)
Gave a bigger site like blogger.com have a record of each IP address that comments. If people start reporting spam comments and enough of them are tied to one IP address, block that IP address out from anything in the future.
Abuse on the internet has to come in from somewhere. Why not cast a net, find out which blocks it is, and choke it from there, forever? Don't ask nicely, don't give a 24 hour warning. Just block
Re:Capcha? (Score:2)
Re:Capcha? (Score:2, Interesting)
Not one little bit.
Consider the following very general situation:
Spammer uses home ISP connection with connection time allocated dynamic IP.
Spammer sends out thousands until blocked.
Spammer reconnects and gets a new IP whilst the original one is reusable by someone else.
You or I then connect and unfortunately get the old IP and cant access the service any more.
BTW, Its already in practice here on slashdot.
Post too many fucked up comments and your IP banned from posting.
Re:Capcha? (Score:2, Informative)
The only thing that appears to work is charging for new accounts. Yes, it's annoying. Yes, it will drive some, otherwise legit, people away (because they don't use online payment systems, etc., etc.) And yes, it's a hassle
Please Type the characters that you see on this... (Score:4, Funny)
Charitable donation (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Charitable donation (Score:2)
Re:Charitable donation (Score:2)
Re:Charitable donation (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Charitable donation (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Charitable donation (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Charitable donation (Score:2)
Re:Charitable donation (Score:2)
Couple of solutions? (Score:5, Interesting)
On top of this, once again the hosting services need to be held responsible: if a site is hosting an obviously spamvertised site then give them 24 hours to remove the site or be blocked from future indexing activities - and have current rankings deleted.
Block the advertised sites, not the spam. (Score:2)
Dangerous.
Re:Block the advertised sites, not the spam. (Score:2)
Damn Blog Hogs, Go swim in a Bog (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Damn Blog Hogs, Go swim in a Bog (Score:2)
re: Damn Blog Hogs, Go swim in a Bog (Score:2)
(ducks and covers, while the mods hover)
Crap Search... (Score:5, Funny)
a new low-point, but who cares? (Score:2, Interesting)
I seriously wonder if the DMCA's or other *AA laws couldn't be used to subpoena the ISP of these guys to get their real addresses. For some reason I doubt they are that many people in the spam and "search engine optimization" business.
splogs clogs blogs shocker! (Score:3, Funny)
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They even quote you sometimes (Score:4, Informative)
So when you search for something... spammers with your name come up, rather than yourself.
Re:They even quote you sometimes (Score:2, Interesting)
Spam or Cruft? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Spam or Cruft? (Score:3, Funny)
splogs aren't the problem... (Score:4, Informative)
The problem surfaces when the "splogs" are used to comment spam and trackback spam legitimate blogs. It's through these links that PageRank is increased. If everyone starts proactively dealing with spam on their own sites, this problem will solve itself. MovableType users can upgrade to 3.2, which has spam blocking features, or use the great plugin MT-Blacklist. Either will eliminate this problem. An AC mentioned that WordPress has a similar set of options. I know that TypePad does. The only major blog service provider left to come up with a solution is Blogger, and in the interim you can require registration to post comments on your Blogger site or turn comments off entirely. LiveJournal and all the clones are blocked from trackback by 90% of normal blog sites already, so they don't even count.
Another poster suggested that we ignore this problem, and it will go away. Untrue. Ignoring the 600 spam comments a day is exactly what the spammers would prefer you do, so that they can stink up every site on the internet with their crap. We are fortunate that in the case of this "new" form of spam, the tools necessary to get rid of it are already there and effective, we just need to get them all turned on.
Re:splogs aren't the problem... (Score:2)
I figured out two very easy immediate technical solutions to blogspam. They aren't permanent solutions - if lots of people use them, the spammers can very quickly adapt. But as long as most folks (and software systems) are asleep at the wheel and either manually delete the spam or just turn off comments/trackbacks, these methods should work. (Working fine so far, but I've done the anti-spam thing enough to not count my chickens...)
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one step closer (Score:2, Funny)
Dang, that's a tuffy. (Score:2, Funny)
Right under the nose ? (Score:2)
Ok, I'm a great fan of webservices - but this is blatant abuse. And it is clogging up search engines, right under the nose of our very own Google. They could implement some internal solution and work-around this right now. But who uses any other web search anyway.
I'd like to see what blogger throws up when you hit it with a user-agent as googlebot. Will it be different from what it churns out to the general public - Now and in the near future.By the way... (Score:2)
Re:By the way... (Score:2)
I'm not referring to the article, I'm referring mostly to the comments. See how many of them are of the type "one cannot tell blogs and splogs apart" and "blogs should die".
Your definition is indeed better than mine, but still the examples I gave fit it. When people think of blogs they think of a girl that types "liek this omg ^_^" and the word blog still has that pejorative connotation. I agree that there is a lot of useless content on them, but most of you rea
Advertising: Out of control (Score:3, Insightful)
Sorry for the rant, but this is all just becomming too much, and it's only getting worse. Are we as a society willing to accept this in the name of free services?
Re:Advertising: Out of control (Score:3, Insightful)
This isn't even necessarily part of receiving a free service. Just look at the examples you cited, did you pay to go to the movies? So why do you have to pay to see ads? I truly doubt that the cost is being held down for you by the ads, more likely it is just extra profit for the theaters at your expense.
Re:Advertising: Out of control (Score:3, Interesting)
Who among us could not grok the same frustration? Funny anecdote: My kid went on a school field trip which included a stop at McDonald's. She returned with her happy-meal toy: a tiny little stuffed puppy-doll with a hu-u-ge tag sewn to it, just screaming with advertising and copyright information. The tag was about three times as big as the dog. I sent her for the scissors and snipped the tag
Re:Advertising: Out of control (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Advertising: Out of control (Score:3, Insightful)
Good choice! Our family doesn't do fast food - period - but this was school we're talking about. So I caved. Have you noticed how much kids are targeted by advertising while in school? My kids bring home marketing junk from places like Home Depot and FedEx (T-shirts and such) that visit class. FedEx actually sent the daughter home with a temporary tattoo. I drew the line there - big business wants to graffitti their logo on my kid's bodies? I pitched it.
Re:Advertising: Out of control (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe I'll just go live under a rock... as long as I can get wireless high speed internet
so is stileproject.com a splog site? (Score:2)
And of course he uses deceptive advertising. Clicking on the occasional link to a free
Of course, I can't even remember the last time it had any original written content. Just gross pictures.
I wondered when this would happen (Score:4, Interesting)
its kind of ironic that google, which has had fewer [not "no", just fewer] security gaffs than Microsoft is, in a sense, suffering security embarrassment for a rather similar reason to the origins of Microsofts security mis-steps: trying to appeal to users by providing very streamlined and simple user interfaces to functions that require privelege [account creation, publication] on most systems [think unix or Apache]...yes the additional "hassles" of authenticating and establishing the remote request is from a human and not a bot are an impediment to users. But catering to utter lazy dummies is a worse hassle as ought to be clear to everyone by now. Funny this is now news. If you went to blogger 6 months ago and sellected a random blog and then just surfed randomly by hitting "NextBlog" button, you would have seen dozens of sights that were just huge steaming piles of links for such vital topics as online shoe purchases
Not news. (Score:2, Funny)
Public access = spam = stupid implementation (Score:3, Insightful)
Reverse-weight the spamvertised sites' Page Rank (Score:2, Interesting)
People in this thread have mentioned a number of things which would make such spam more technically difficult to pull off, none of which would be foolproof.
However, some combination of these techniques could be used by the search engine (handy, that Google the Blogspot-owner-victim is also the search engine being manipulated) to simply flag spam
Blacklists and whatnot (Score:2)
No solution? (Score:2)
Even if there is a good reason for this capability, surely just throwing in a image (or sound) verification stage will make your problem will go away?
Blogs As Clusterfucks (Score:2)
You reap what you sow.
Re:OG (Score:2)
Re:It's Obvious Day at Slashdot (Score:3, Insightful)
In case you still can't see, that makes the two things completely different..
Re:Well let's get old fashioned (Score:5, Interesting)
Do you have any alternate search engines (preferably with examples to prove that they're actually better) to use instead of google? I've tested out all the big names, and the results I get are almost always near-identical, with the small differences in the results returned not being that important.
It is extremely frustrating when Google returns nothing useful, but I've yet to find a search engine that works better. Google's level of results seems to be the best anyone can achieve at the moment (and it's not really google that's setting the level of excellence).
Re:Well let's get old fashioned (Score:2)
Yahoo have been investing a lot in improving their search results, and I've found them to be as good as (or even, in some cases, better than) Google for everyday use. Your mileage may vary, of course...
Re:Well let's get old fashioned (Score:2)
Most of the time Google does find revalent things when you can't make money off the subject of what you are searching for, but when you can then you always end up with one group or another trying to get the highest page rank when obiviously the
Re:Well let's get old fashioned (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Experts Exchange (Score:2)
Maybe a little rant of mine but you brought up a pet peave of mine with google with that Expert Exchange site...
That Expert exchange is the bane for my existence for what I do for a livng. I hate them with a passion... Everytime I type an exact error message into Google these jokers come as the top hit. But obviously they don't provide the answer... I can't believe people would legit
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
PageRank's fatal assumption (Score:5, Insightful)
Google needs some mechanism judging if a link is a fair link (made by an independent person/process) or "bought" link created by on on behalf of the same site that being linked to. I'd bet if Google analyzed these splogs and other SEO-generated sites, they'd find an excessive number of links from the splog to the target (or other in-network splogs) but few links from the splog to other relevant sites. Perhaps Google should reweight sites that seem to focus too many links in one direction. Of course, this is only a temporary solution as SEOs/sploggers could just use Google to find a set of random, but relevant, links to add to their splog.
The deeper problem is that no matter what Google does, some clever SEO will find a way around it. And since sites seeking to be at the top of the search out number Google engineers by a wide margin, the SEOs would seem to have the advantage. The only group with greater numbers than the SEOs are Google users. I suspect the ultimate solution will mean social ranking systems where each Google user gets to rank pages and have a reputation for page ranking. The user reputation system would mitigate attempts by SEOs to either up-rank their pages or down-rank competitor's pages.
Re:PageRank's fatal assumption (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:PageRank's fatal assumption (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:PageRank's fatal assumption (Score:5, Interesting)
(Disclosure: I work in "white hat" SEO, where we try to actually make sites more friendly, fast and useful for end users; this black hat SEO stuff doesn't do us any favours at all, so I'm keen to see these spammers wiped out by any means).
Rich.
Sometimes we need to get more old-fashioned (Score:2)
Get a video.
Send it to all the trad media outlets as well as
online outlets.
``Clog the blog, we flog.''
Or just bring back public stocks and floggings.
I've long wised we'd do this for a number of crimes.
And yes, I am completely serious.
Even more old-fashioned (Score:3, Funny)
"We the jury find the defendent guilty of 1,204,652 counts of false advertising, and one count of being a world-class prick. We hereby sentence him to be hung by the neck until he is dead."
Re:Well let's get old fashioned (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Well let's get old fashioned (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Not only that (Score:3, Funny)
Re:this problem will not go away (Score:2)
"Clearly" indubitably!
what I say is -- why stop it? why give moral preference to human thoughts vs. computer output?
Because computer output isn't thought. Unless your Commander Data and have a Magical Positronic Brain (TM).
frankly, in most interactions, my exper
Re:Guestbooks are been spammed too!! (Score:2)
The only thing Blogger missed was forcing commenters to respond to captchas by default.
Re:Solution (Score:2)