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Windows Vista & IE7 Beta 1 Released 727

gdsotirov writes "Today on the IE blog the availability of two new beta tests - Windows Vista Beta 1 and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 - was announced. These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals. Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers. Tom's Hardware has details as well." From the article: "While the code also includes an early look at the new user-interface design, the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2. In addition to these fundamentals, Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform. The technical Beta of Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP SP2 also is available today." Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?
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Windows Vista & IE7 Beta 1 Released

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  • by hendridm ( 302246 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:51AM (#13184550) Homepage
    Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?

    Nothing to see here, please move along.

    • Oh yes. MSDN subscriber download seems to be ./ed...
  • THis again (Score:5, Funny)

    by Marc Desrochers ( 606563 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:52AM (#13184556)
    Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform

    So they're trying this again are they?
    • Re:THis again (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jiushao ( 898575 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:25AM (#13184838)
      How often do we have to go through this? IE is integral to the platform in the same way Konqueror/KHTML is to KDE. It is part of the standard libraries/components and applications can expect it to be available to view richly formatted data. It is not a deep kernel integration or any of those wacky Slashdot conspiracy theories, it is just an example of good old software reuse.

      I don't think anyone can actually suggest that Microsoft throw it out, having a good rendering engine of type in the platform SDK is pretty much a requirement these days. The OSS desktops all leveraging HTML engines is just one example, check out Apple who are relly going at it building applications based on WebCore. It just so happens that Microsoft got into the game early (one could in fact use the word "innovation" here, but I guess that would be a bit too flamebaity on Slashdot).

      • Re:THis again (Score:4, Informative)

        by Linus Torvaalds ( 876626 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @10:43AM (#13185615)

        How often do we have to go through this?

        Obviously a few more times.

        IE is integral to the platform in the same way Konqueror/KHTML is to KDE. It is part of the standard libraries/components and applications can expect it to be available to view richly formatted data.

        This is not true. Applications don't give a damn if Internet Explorer is installed. Applications depend on Trident. Trident is the rendering engine that transforms web pages into something you can see and interact with.

        Internet Explorer is nothing but a (pretty poor) shell around Trident. Internet Explorer is simply not necessary for the correct operation of Windows or Windows applications. Trident is. Internet Explorer is an application bundled with Windows.

  • by quokkapox ( 847798 ) <quokkapox@gmail.com> on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:53AM (#13184563)
    I, for one, can tell you that this new beta is fantastic! I have only been using for about 10 or 15 minutes, but already I am quite impre^D

    MAIL FROM: aspammer@zombiesareus.biz
    RCPT TO: billg@microsoft.com

  • First Post? (Score:3, Informative)

    by sirdude ( 578412 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:53AM (#13184567)
    I'm sure not..

    Anyways, both these betas are already available everywhere.

    The Vista Beta comes with a WPA bypasser.

    IE7 beta requires online activation.
  • by Mostly a lurker ( 634878 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:53AM (#13184568)
    Just curious. I would not do anything illegal like making use of one.
  • by AtlanticGiraffe ( 749719 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:54AM (#13184573) Homepage

    "Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?"

    Do those actually read Slashdot?

    • by callipygian-showsyst ( 631222 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @10:45AM (#13185655) Homepage
      > Do those actually read Slashdot?

      I have an MSDN Universal Subscription! And I read /.! I guess that makes me a masochist or something, but I like seeing how misinformed, short sighted, and downright stupid some people are.

      /. has really turned into a parody of itself. It's just "FREE SOFTWARE is Great. And Macintosh (the most expensive platform!) is also Great! And anything that Microsoft does is Bad!"

  • by network23 ( 802733 ) * on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:54AM (#13184575) Journal

    For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak.

    pcmag [pcmag.com]

    "Vista? As in "Hasta la Vista, baby?" That name might be appropriate as a symbolic goodbye since it might be the end of the line for Microsoft's dominance in the OS business."

    "The new OS is getting zero buzz. Zero. now the name Vista, along with the new Microsoft Vista logo, has made it worse. Could anything be less exciting?"

    "THE FUTURE OF DESKTOP COMPUTING: Apple. Vista will open the door to what I believe will be a radical change in the computing landscape. The trends are clear. Once the new Mac OS appears next year it will gravitate toward the existing x86 community much more rapidly than anticipated..."

    "Right now, and as much as x86 users do not want to admit it, the Mac OS is already better than Windows in its modern look and feel as well as its functionality. I see too many smart people with Mac laptops nowadays."

    "...it is always possible that Apple doesn't understand the power play position it's in and might actually believe that it's better off somehow keeping its OS in a small niche rather than the big market. If the world changed tomorrow to 85 percent Mac "OS x86" its laptop sales alone would triple overnight. Apple didn't put together what many consider the finest in-house industrial design teams in the world to fool around with piddly sales and more redesigns of the iPod."

    "That said, how much more of Steve Jobs can we handle? Do we really want to hear him say "I told you so?" If it gets some excitement back into desktop computing, yes, we do. I think we can take it."

    • Uhhh... (Score:5, Funny)

      by Crash Culligan ( 227354 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:57AM (#13184590) Journal

      A Slashdotter agreeing with John C. Dvorak, who is saying nice things about Apple?

      Quick, can someone post a current weather report for Hell, please?

    • I love this part:

      I see too many smart people with Mac laptops nowadays.

      time to get a Mac I guess.

    • I've been wondering...

      I do believe Apple intends to make their OS X86 bootable only on Apple x86 machines. However, given the vast quantity of PC users already out there, many of whom have had it with Microsoft, would it be a wise decision for Apple to simply allow any and all PC users to use their new OS? Of Course it would cut into their hardware sales, but how well have those been doing lately anyway? (exluding the iPod of course)
      • One of the reasons Apple has limited the hardware Apple OS's work on is to limit the hardware that it has to support. I doubt that this strategy is going to change just because Apple transitions to x86 processors. Maybe someone will develop a kludge to allow OS X86 to work on any PC, but driver support is going to be either open-source, or non-existant.
    • I don't buy this for a second. Microsoft OS dominance does not come by people getting all excited about upgrading their OS. The vase majority of home users get Windows automatically when they buy their new Dell PC. And corporate users get Windows because that is what IT has standardized on for the corporate desktop.

      None of this is going to change because some columinist over-enamored of his own opinion is less than enthusiastic about Vista.
    • Let's see... The same John C. Dvorak that has predicted the death of Windows a thousand times over dating back to the introduction of the platform?

      Yawn. I've been reading his columns since 1989, and I still don't think a single one of them has come true. Remind me why he's relevant anymore? Used to be, I would get so excited when a new PC Magazine arrived. I mean, without the internet, I thought it was a great source for information from knowledgeable folks. I want the $35 per year back that I shelle
    • For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak.



      That does it: if Dvorak says this, Apple is doomed.

  • Seriously... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:55AM (#13184577)

    The privacy statement for Internet Explorer 7.0 beta lists a "phishing filter," which is said to be capable of warning users about the possibility that the Web site currently being visited is impersonating a trusted Web site. This feature is turned off by default

    Why bother creating a feature like this and having it turned off by default. The people most likely to be taken in by a phishing scam seem to me to be the same people who won't know enough about a computer to turn this feature on to protect themselves. The more tech and internet savvy people could turn this off if it annoys them.

    but in order for it to be used properly, the Web site's address and other information about the user's computer, are sent to Microsoft for automatic evaluation.

    Then again it does scare me a little that MS would be taking a peek at my browsing habits. Hopefully it just asks a big database full of bad websites whether or not this one is good. I'd like to think that MS wouldn't be keeping tabs on my online activity. Makes me wonder if this is why that bought Gator... I mean Claria.

    • but in order for it to be used properly, the Web site's address and other information about the user's computer, are sent to Microsoft for automatic evaluation.

      Because... they couldn't build the code to check these URLs into the browser itself? Seems to me a blacklist of "phishing" URLs is a lot less useful than some quick, standard pattern matching.
      • Quick standard pattern matching would be worked around in a matter hours or maybe days, and would be rendered useless. Whatever patterns MS determined were good indicators of phishing would be circumvented.
    • Offers to turn on (Score:3, Informative)

      by SoCalChris ( 573049 )
      In all fairness, the first time that you try to go to a page different from the default, it opens up a security window that explains the filter, and offers to turn it on. So even though it is off by default, the first time using the browser it will offer to turn it on for you.
  • by Ray Alloc ( 835739 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @08:55AM (#13184578)
    Finally I will be able to shut the mouth of my Mac OS 9.1 using neighbour !
  • Still installing.. (Score:2, Informative)

    by TrAvELAr ( 118445 )
    First of all, I'm not an MSDN subscriber, but I have done several betas.

    The iso for workstation is about 2.5 GB. I had a couple of failed installs due to a faulty dvd-rom drive and am now almost finished installing it. It looks pretty good so far, from the installer anyways.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    In other news Secunia has announced details of two new secuirty exploits going by the names "Vista" and "IE7".
  • Wine (Score:3, Interesting)

    by managementboy ( 223451 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:04AM (#13184645) Homepage
    Has anyone tried to run IE 7 with WINE on Linux?
  • by ninja_assault_kitten ( 883141 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:04AM (#13184648)
    Protected Mode. Available in the Windows Vista beta 2 release and beyond, Internet Explorer Protected Mode will provide new levels of security and data protection for Windows users. Designed to defend against "elevation of privilege" attacks, Internet Explorer Protected Mode provides the safety of a robust Internet browsing experience while helping prevent hackers from taking over the browser and executing code through the use of administrator rights. In this mode, Internet Explorer 7 is completely unable modify user or system files and settings. All communications occur via a broker process that mediates between the Internet Explorer browser and the operating system. The broker process is only initiated when the user clicks on the Internet Explorer menus and screens. The highly restrictive broker process prohibits workarounds from bypassing the Protected Mode. Any scripted actions or automatic processes will be prevented from downloading data or affecting the system. Specifically, Component Object Model objects will only be self-aware and have no reference information by which to identify and attack other applications or the operating system. Internet Explorer Protected Mode helps protect users from malicious downloads by restricting the ability to write to any local machine zone resources other than temporary Internet files. Attempting to write to the Windows Registry or other locations will require the broker process to provide the necessary elevated permissions.
  • OS redundancy? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Iriel ( 810009 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:07AM (#13184678) Homepage
    "...the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2"

    So in other words, beta 1 is just XP with RSS? They already yanked everything else out of the system as is. The reason they call it Vista is because that's all that's left of the OS; a view.
    • Re:OS redundancy? (Score:5, Informative)

      by dioscaido ( 541037 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:49AM (#13185048)
      Vista Beta 1 has about 80 new features, but most of them revolve around the architecture (driver model, LUA, security, display, file system, remote management, system tracing/logging, new task schedulers, etc...). Believe me, they changes are not small at all! But while these things do end up stabilizing/securing the platform further, the features will only really be of particular interest to developers.

      If they were to release the OS as-is, it would not create any particular buzz among consumers, since for the most part it still feels and drives like XP/win2k3. But it would be huge in the corporate market. Remote management capabilities have been expanded significantly (and they are pretty good already in xp/win2k3), but more importantly are the security revamp of the core OS. While you currently can have your employees on XP workstations run as non-admin, it is very difficult to give them freedoms to modify the system without giving them full admin access (aka - install a new printer). Now, there is a more robust priviledge system, where (1) even if you are full admin most applications start in lower priviledges, and (2) you can give more granular admin perms on a user-to-user basis. So, employees will have more freedom to customize/configure their system, while the admins can still protect the core OS image from rootkits or the machine in general from spyware.

      Additionally, governments are interested in the platform as well. Apart from the security features above, there are content protection schemes on the platform, and features like secure boot (sounds ridiculous for a consumer, but appealing to, say, someone like the CIA).

      Will Vista RTM be compelling enough that consumers will fly it off the shelves? I can't really say, to be honest my experience is with the core (which I am impressed with). But lets be honest, MS doesn't make its income through selling software boxes of XP. Vista will follow the same adoption of XP -- corporate/government contracts and OEM bundles will make the first surge of adoptions. But, with things like Avalon and Indigo (actually implemented, believe it or not :}), we could start seeing some killer Vista only apps in the first year or two, driving more generalized consumer adoption. Finally, the OS takes some big security steps so it will be *the* platform for people that really want to stop dealing with spyware/virus problems (who don't want to switch to linux/OSX of course).
  • by altan ( 519377 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:09AM (#13184696)
    This is from the actual page for Vista:

    - Glass and new Window animation. The Windows Vista desktop experience will deliver a new visual identity -- translucent glass with more animation. Because it is visually intuitive, the glass helps users focus on the task at hand, whether reading a document, viewing a Web page or editing a photo.

    Apparently the best way to develop a "visually intuitive" user interface is glass and more animation!

  • IE7 _built in_ ? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MadCow42 ( 243108 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:14AM (#13184743) Homepage
    >>Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform

    Wouldn't this fly in the face of the US DOJ ruling that they had to separate it from the OS?

  • Yes I'm an MSDN subscriber through work. No, I won't be downloading the betas. I personally don't have the time to fiddle around with such things any more. It's far easier to wait for others to find the gotchas. When the final version is released, it'll still be months until we deploy it at work.

    Feel free to call me lazy. I just know I have interfaces to write and queries to improve. Those things can't wait.
  • Paul Thurrott Review (Score:5, Informative)

    by Avatar 888 ( 256911 ) <mark@nOSPAM.markwheeler.net> on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:20AM (#13184789) Homepage
    Paul Thurrott has a fairly comprehensive (and probably quite rose-tinted) review [winsupersite.com]of the Vista beta over at his SuperSite for Windows.

    It goes through the vast majority of new features, although doesn't go into a great deal of depth at this early stage. Seems there are no great surprises here - Vista is still very much watered down from initial promises - but apparently things are at least moving along noticably now.

    www.markwheeler.net [markwheeler.net]
  • by trawg ( 308495 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:23AM (#13184829) Homepage
    Heh, with the exception of "Dynamic security protection", that just reads like Firefox's feature list. Tabbed browsing, 'inline' search from address bar, support for RSS feeds, transparent PNG support... revolutionary!
  • So far so good (Score:5, Informative)

    by KE1LR ( 206175 ) <ken DOT hoover AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:25AM (#13184840) Homepage
    I have Vista B1 on a Thinkpad T40. Not enough time to really dig into it yet but here is a quick list of stuff I've noted so far:
    • Setup has been MUCH improved. Far easier to follow. Installation took about an hour and 10 minutes. (1.6GHz Pentium-M and 1GB of RAM)
    • The new UI, after a few minutes of adjustment, is a big improvement... a good blend of new-and-improved as well as the old-familiar-stuff.
    • Cleaner GUI with lots of OSX influence and visual "bling". The overall effect is much more modern but has a strong resemblance to XP with the "silver" UI theme applied.
    • Performance seems fine - same or better than XP pro on the same machine. Have't done any "real" tests.
    • Installing the SAV 10 client caused a bluescreen on the next boot but the system recovered on its own after a power-off and restart. Attempting to uninstall SAV failed and left SAV in a nonfunctional-and-nonremovable state. I'm wiping the machine and reinstalling.
    • Thunderbird 1.0.6 and GAIM 1.4 worked fine. IMO, Thunderbird looks a lot better with the new visual theme.
    • The Atheros-based 802.11a/b adapter only works in 802.11a mode. Probably a driver limitation. Fortunately my home network is 802.11a. :-)

    If I feel brave enough (and our webmasters think they can survive a potential Slashdotting ;-) ) I'll put up some blog entries about my experiences over the next few days.

    • Re:So far so good (Score:3, Informative)

      by KE1LR ( 206175 )

      Clarification on "Installation took about an hour and 10 minutes":

      I spent less than five minutes interacting with the computer and from there it was totally hands-off.

      I needed to provide only two pieces of outside information: The key code and the name I wanted to give the computer.

      Other than that there was just a license agreement screen and a couple of very simple screens relating to which disk partition I wanted it on... a total of 6 screens, each of which only asked one question.

      Regardless of the blu

  • by rbarreira ( 836272 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:25AM (#13184841) Homepage
    Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers.

    And to anyone with a P2P client, probably...
  • More info (Score:3, Informative)

    by gunpowda ( 825571 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:27AM (#13184856)
    Brief overview and comments here [vistatech.co.uk].
  • When will it be available on Freshmeat.net?
  • by MirrororriM ( 801308 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:32AM (#13184907) Homepage Journal
    Wow, next time my manager tells me I need to stay over and work on a project, I'm telling him "hell no!" and giving him this link [microsoft.com]!

    Thank you Windows Vista!

  • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:33AM (#13184917) Journal
    I definitely recommend reading through ALL of this: Review [winsupersite.com]

    It clarified a lot I didn't know about Vista, and it's *gasp* even a critical review, but still not one written by an anti-Microsoft zealot, but trying to keep a pretty open mind about it.
    • I'm normaly not an Apple fanboi, but reading this review, I couldn't avoid comparing the listed features to what you have on OS X.
      • Power management menu in task bar (picture) [winsupersite.com] - looks familiar.
      • Search engine (picture) [winsupersite.com] - Spotlight, anyone?
      • User home directories can now be found in C:\Users\name - similar to how *nix does it

      Then again, Apple borrowed Fast User Switching from Windows, so fair is fair...

  • IE7 stuff (Score:5, Informative)

    by kae_verens ( 523642 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @09:48AM (#13185041) Homepage

    I'm writing this post in IE7.

    To tell the truth, the only "improvement" I've noticed is the tabs, but tabs have been available as extensions for quite some time.

    I was hoping for some CSS improvements. When I first installed it, I immediately went to a few of the more difficult CSS sites, to see if they'd render correctly. Nope - no such luck. See http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/ [meyerweb.com] for example.

    The toolbar has been moved around. In my copy of it, at least, the URL bar is just below the titlebar, then there are the tabs, then another bar with text buttons on the left, and some icons on the right for home, favourites, history, rss, and print.

    A search bar has been integrated into the same bar as the URL entry box. I expected it to use MSN by default, but it's set to Google. Or maybe that's just on mine?

    As a web developer, I was hoping for better CSS support and better debugging tools.

    According to their documentation, they've addressed at least two CSS bugs. I haven't seen any improvements at all yet. I will be using Dean Edwards' script for some time yet, it seems...

    On the JavaScript end, there does not seem to have been any work done on the debug tools there at all - still the old crappy "error on line X" (of what file? a bit more detail please?).

    The RSS doesn't seem as good as Firefox's.

    In Firefox, an icon appears on the bottom of the page you're on. You click the icon, then add the feed with another click. Immediately, you have Live Feeds, where you can open your bookmarks, scroll to the feed you want, and a list of the article headlines is immediately available.

    In IE7, however, an icon highlights on the top of the page. You click the icon, which opens up the RSS and renders it (nyeh - whatever). Then you click add to favourites. Then you click to confirm that. Now, when you want to view the feeds, you open your favourites from the text toolbar, scroll down and click on the feed.

    The main difference is that in IE7, you must click each feed that you want to view, whereas in Firefox, you get a preview of the new items.

    Overall, I am not impressed in the slightest. Nothing innovative at all, and their CSS is still nowhere near as good as Firefox, Opera, KDE or Safari's (I know the latter two are basically the same engine...).

  • From Paul's article: Because Microsoft built a search box into the Start menu, you can no longer use keyboard shortcuts to navigate around. To launch the Control Panel in XP, for example, you simply hit the Windows key and then the "C" key and, voila, the Control Panel opens. In Windows Vista, however, when you hit the "C" key, the system assumes you're searching for an application (Figure). Sigh.

    For me, the user interface of Windows peaked with Windows 3.11 and NT 3.51. In these systems, virtually every control in every program could be easily navigated to using only the keyboard, with consistent shortcuts everywhere. This was a significantly better environment than Apple has managed to provide even now, and probably the best feature of the Windows UI. In 95/NT4 the Start Menu and Task Bar required new shortcuts. Then companies started shipping keyboards with extra keys (making the spacebar shorter and a harder target to hit, and not really solving the problem for people who have to work on multiple computers with a variety of keyboards). Newer versions of Office applications removed the ability to keyboard-navigate through toolbars (with or without he new keyboards). What's next?
  • Virtual Folders (Score:3, Interesting)

    by merky1 ( 83978 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @10:26AM (#13185418) Journal
    As with XP, all of these folders are "real" folders. That is, they exist at a discrete place in the shell hierarchy and can contain real files and folders. They are literally identical to folders in XP. However, Windows Vista, as you may know, also introduces the concept of Virtual Folders. These are not "real" folders but are instead XML-based containers for links to other files and folders. Virtual Folders do not "contain" anything. Instead, Virtual Folders point to lists of other files and aggregate data in meaningful ways.

    Isn't this just a fancy way to say playlist? I fail to see the usefullness of adding yet another layer of confusion to getting to a users files. Not to mention, this ought to make user migration a joy for enterprise users.

  • GUI. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Eric_Cartman_South_P ( 594330 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @10:50AM (#13185701)
    GUI. Graphical User Interface. It's an art and a science all it's own. In the past, I did GUI programming for 4 years. It's an entire world when done right, with things like GUI standards, best practices, things called "deferred-create" and other cute names for ways to organize things on the screen.

    I am shocked that a company like Microsoft can actually fuck up every GUI best practice rule out there.

    IMO they spent a ton of time trying to rip of OS X and Aqua, but then change it enough so it has a look and feel as if it had Win XP roots. But it's a total mess. Scroll bars do not look like scroll bars, and are extremely faded. THERE IS DEAD SPACE EVERYWHERE!!! Six inch by one inch desk space areas just to show a word or two off text. Some buttons look like buttons, others look like internet links that are underlined, others only have an underline when you roll-over! I could go on and on, but I am seriously shocked. I know it's beta, but the UI will not change much, you are pretty much looking at the final product from a UI standpoint.

    This is bad enough to make me leave the last Windows machine I have, and deal with windows just within a virtual environment on OS X. I "HAVE" to leave now, it's that bad a GUI. Shameful.

    After much research, I found a way to have perfect CRM and financials for the small businesses out there that need to leave but can't because of those two reasons, those two kind of apps that DO run well on Windows.

    Look at Salesforce.com, it works great in Safari (HTML and JavaScript, nothing else) and it misses nothing. And look at QuickBooks PRO for Mac OS X. You can only get Pro, not Premium for the Mac, but the few differences there will not be missed by most other than advanced accountants. And go with Apples Pages and Keynote or go with Open Office for the office work. Even MS Office for Mac if you need to, it's actually ok. That Salesforce.com + QuickBooks for Mac is what will help me live without Windows.

    Bill G deserves a bitch smack for pushing such a counter-productive OS onto the world for the next several years. he will be wasting many decades worth of man hours for doing so. Criminal.
  • by smallpaul ( 65919 ) <paul.prescod@net> on Thursday July 28, 2005 @11:28AM (#13186102)
    A tecnnical overview for a web browser in ".doc" format. Oh, Microsoft, will ye never change? http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?Fa milyId=718E9B3A-64FE-4A4C-9DDF-57AF0472EAD2&displa ylang=en [microsoft.com]
  • Dismayed! (Score:5, Informative)

    by wodeh ( 899541 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @11:33AM (#13186138) Homepage
    Well... that was a whole lot of fuss about nothing. I truly don't know what I expected from Microsoft.

    Improved CSS support? Yeah. Right.

    This is IE6 with tabs and a "phishing filter". Nothing new here. The RSS reader is abysmal, not even comparing to that of Safari 2.0.. not to mention I couldn't find a visible button to access the feeds on a website and had to dig in the tools menu for it.

    CSS support has some minor improvements, but nothing groundbreaking. IE7 fails the Acid2 test miserably, which is tough luck because we're probably not going to see IE8 for 5 years now.

    Microsoft have the future of SVG and CSS3 in the palms of their hands and they are content to toss it aside so they can implement a couple of silly superficial features to keep the monkey-brained masses happy and try to pass us developers off with "immproved CSS support" and a PNG transparent support which is nice, but frankly I'm having none of it. Microsoft have officially torn the final straw from my clutches and chewed it into a pulp before my very eyes.

    As for Windows Vista.. whoopety-fucking-doo ..system wide RSS integration and a whole-bunch-of-features-stolen-from-OSX branded with a Microsoft logo to make sure we all know it's high grade proprietary worthless crap that was actually and surprisingly developed by intelligent human beings and not just cobbled together by monkeys who arranged the shredded strands of 500 billion pages of printed source-code by sneezing at them.

    And to think... how long has IE7 been in the works before it took them to come out with this shitty beta? In 10 minutes they could have handed the Mozilla group seven figures to use Gecko in their commercial crap-pile which would have made everyone happy. But nooooo, they can't even do the sensible thing.

    Money grubbing idiots.
  • A few CSS tests (Score:5, Informative)

    by ChildrenOfBodom ( 641710 ) on Thursday July 28, 2005 @12:36PM (#13186835) Homepage
    I threw together some quick tests for a few of my most hated IE issues to see if there has been anything fixed.

    All are still just as broken as in IE6. It looks like VERY little effort has been put into the rendering engine so far. Absolutely pathetic.

    http://www.lysergic.org.nz/testcss/divhover.html [lysergic.org.nz]
    http://www.lysergic.org.nz/testcss/selectheight.ht ml [lysergic.org.nz]
    http://www.lysergic.org.nz/testcss/selectzindex.ht ml [lysergic.org.nz]

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