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Air Force Orders Up A Custom Windows Monoculture 541

Soulfader writes "It seems that the Air Force has not learned from the Navy's folly in single-source mammoth contracts and their attendant problems, and is now working on something similar with Dell and Microsoft. Particularly interesting is the article's assertion that the Air Force is 'fed up' with Microsoft OS problems--but not enough to switch to something else. Instead, they're going to be getting a custom 'solution' of Windows products specially configured for their use. Is this the ever-hoped-for 'good' version of Windows, or more along the line of the sucks-in-new-and-interesting-ways version of Highlander II?"
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Air Force Orders Up A Custom Windows Monoculture

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  • uh huh (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Wait... I liked Highlander II.
  • by sockonafish ( 228678 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:06PM (#10934567)
    The FBI uses OS X [macslash.org], why won't the military consider it?

    And no, it's not because of the don't ask don't tell policy.
    • by Coryoth ( 254751 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:24PM (#10934670) Homepage Journal
      More importantly, what's wrong with a mixed shop based on requirements of the tasks. What's wrong with running Sun for your mission critical servers, NetBSD for your web and mail servers, OS X for basic business/management desktops, Linux for developer and research desktops etc. All of those will play together quite happily. It's only when you try to throw MS Windows into a heterogeneous mix that things start having issues.

      Throw out Windows, and everyone else will play nice together. Seems pretty obvious as to who should go in any hetrogeneous environment.

      Jedidiah
      • by Anonymous Coward
        Sez you. Now go get a bid from IBM or EDS for managing your desktop environment with 6 different platforms. I guarantee that it will come in way way way over the Windows bid.

        Sorry, the network in your mom's basement does not remotely represent a huge desktop deployment.
      • Because if you run a base, you'll have systems on said base. When said base is assaulted, you may lose people. When you lose your Sun guy to an IED who's going to run your mission critical servers at the forward deploy bases?
    • by Linuxathome ( 242573 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @11:15PM (#10934911) Homepage Journal
      I've always thought that Linux evangelists should advocate the Windows user to buy Macs. If users who switch at all wanted to learn *nix, they could always crack open the terminal application and learn a few commandline commands and shell scripting techniques to make their Mac experience all the more useful and efficient. Then after they become more adept at *nix in general, the migration to Linux is easy (that is, if they want to give up the niceties of Mac OS X :). For example, how many of us Windows users wanted to be able to send email without the need to setup SMTP settings in Outlook or Netscape mail -- thus avoiding the terrible restrictions our ISPs have on email transport? Mac users have it easy, they can easily enable sendmail in their systems [bombich.com], since sendmail is packaged but inactive in the standard Mac OS X system.
  • by yoder ( 178161 ) * <steve.g.tripp@gmail.com> on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:06PM (#10934569) Journal
    Doesn't say much for Air Force Procurement. I wonder (silently to myself) how much money changed hands and who was promised what job at Microsoft when he/she retires from the Air Force.
    • by bm17 ( 834529 ) * <brm@yoyodyne.com> on Sunday November 28, 2004 @05:40AM (#10936225)
      I have had some experience with military procurement. It is scary and has nothing to do with logic. The people who do the purchasing are not in the military. They are career civilians. The military officers who oversee them only spend a few years in that capacity before moving on to other posts. They have no real opportunity to institute reforms even they are the ones affected by the purchases. The civilian purchasers develop (I believe) unethical reletionships certain prefered vendors. I've also seen a tendency for government emplyees to avoid taking responsibility for anything. I assume that this has something to do with the way blame is passed around. Furthermore (and possibly due to responsibility avoidance) the military generates a huge amount of rules that must be followed to the letter. This is done mindlessly. If at some point there was an incident involving a Delrin part, then Delrin might be banned from all future milspec parts. The amount of money that an item costs means nothing compared to the need to satisfy paperwork. And speaking of paperwork I doubt that and Linux distributor can hold a candle to Microsoft when it comes to filling out the endless reams of paperwork required to contract with the military. It's just insane. And you have to know all of the bizzare customs they have. So, in short, don't expect military procurement to make any sort of sense until such time as the entire system is overhauled.
  • by jarich ( 733129 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:07PM (#10934572) Homepage Journal
    I've found at work and at home that Windows (since late NT4) can be quite stable ~if~ you don't install tons of junk software.

    I've had to put my 6 year old on her own machine because her kiddy games makes Windows unstable, but my wife and myself both run tons of "mainstream" software, ranging from Doom to UT to banking software to Eclipse to video editing software.

    My machine doesn't lock up and it doesn't crash and neither does hers.

    If the Navy gets a cut of Windows with all the games cut out and they remove the ability for the field user to install the junk apps, they might have something very useful (in a work environment... not for home users)

    • Yes and my roommates laptop with XP pro BSOD(or reboots) whenever I click the mouse on a webpage. (he can use the machine fine it's just me)

      Also even though he uses netscape his machine gets at least 2-3 new spy/ad ware programs daily.

      Compare that to my linux box or OS X box

      Neither have any.

      Yes he uses OS X daily FOR work, he chooses windows for gaming. i choose OS X as it actually goes to sleep if I close the lid, and restarts in seconds when i open it. Much better than any other machine booting up(
      • The thing is, I run XP Pro and my machine has remained stable for a couple years. Whenever my friends complain about a specific website or program screwing up their computer I make a point of visiting the page or running the program on MY machine and guess what...nothing gets installed by a backdoor, nothing breaks the system.

        It completely boggles my mind. For one thing, I have a friend whose machine is always patched, firewalled, and anti-spywared, and a week or so after every format and reinstall, the ma
    • by MavEtJu ( 241979 ) <slashdot&mavetju,org> on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:21PM (#10934652) Homepage
      It's not about the stuff you install, it's about the stuff that others install for you.

      Include links to IE and Outlook exploits here.
      • by Anonymous Coward
        Get ProcessGuard for Windows....no process can run without your approval (once). This is way better than an antivirus or anti-spyware...this is anti-anything that executes PERIOD. (Including regular programs or services if you don't approve)

        Also deals with global hooks, dll injection, and kernel root kits, and protect physical memory...

        THIS makes windows secure...

        http://www.diamondcs.com.au/processguard/
    • The most stable windows platform I've ever used is actually VMWARE under linux. VMWare has top notch drivers and thats what usually makes the OS unstable -- drivers.

      That being said, nothing makes Office stable. I can tell you why to... I've done a lot of office-VBA development (I feel so unclean) and the API is *HORRIBLE*. Nothing acts like its supposed to. A method that does one thing on a form say in access, *won't* work on a subform. So you have to learn all these weird rules that are undocumented

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:09PM (#10934578)
    Hey, contractors.... I have a job that needs to be done.

    I also have $1,000,000,000 to throw at the problem. Any contractors that have the ability to accept and be responsible for receiving a pre-payment, please step forward.

    Sorry, only top tier contractors will be accepted.
    Oh, Sorry again. Because of a new requirement added by Congress, only the largest company in this industry will be allowed to submit a bid. And only one bid will be accepted. We don't have time to evaluate other solutions.
  • by Nine Tenths of The W ( 829559 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:09PM (#10934584)
    I'm glad Microsoft are getting the full value of their PAC contributions, I'd hate to think our government was dishonest
  • by mordors9 ( 665662 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:09PM (#10934585)
    Go back and reread it.... this is a custom "solution". You just can't go wrong with one of those.
  • by bogaboga ( 793279 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:09PM (#10934586)
    One would easily think that the US, being a very old democracy/civilization, would be wise enough not to fall into such traps. But alas, they never learn!

    This confirms to me that the US will be behind the world in a few decades. I am also very sure that portions of this custom Windows will be outsourced. The Russians will get some insight to what runs the so called "greatest military machinery" in the world.

    Question is: Why are the American bureucrats making mistakes such as these?

    Short answer: Some official's hands must have been greased for this deal to get a "seal of approval."

    Before Slashdotters mode me unfairly, I'd like to mention that it has always been the case that whenever obvious mistakes have been made, one's hands have always been found as having been greased. Numerous inquiries have shown this.

  • by AugstWest ( 79042 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:10PM (#10934593)
    ...Suck, and it's brought to you by the new Halliburton That Doesn't Screw America.

    Thanks for playing.

  • by antdude ( 79039 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:11PM (#10934597) Homepage Journal
    CNET News.com [com.com] and ZDNet [zdnet.com].

    "The Air Force is consolidating its 38 software contracts and nine support contracts with Microsoft into two all-encompassing, agencywide agreements, according to a statement seen by CNET News.com.

    The contract, done in conjunction with Dell, will call for the installation and configuration of software as well as ongoing maintenance and upgrades. The deal, which includes 525,000 licenses of Microsoft's Windows and Office, is valued at $500 million over six years, according to Microsoft."

    Posted this on my AQFL [aqfl.net] Web site and even submitted to /. (rejected) on 11/19/2004.
  • Different Link (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    USAF Version [af.mil]
  • "Extra Security" (Score:3, Insightful)

    by linguae ( 763922 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:15PM (#10934623)
    Air Force CIO John Gilligan said the department wants to use a single version of Microsoft products, built with extra security, on its desktops and servers to help it reduce the problems it faces in applying software patches whenever Microsoft announces new vulnerabilities.

    I hope that this "extra security" means that they'll remove some of the cruft that Windows has (such as Internet Exploder, LookOut! Express, and Media Player), and focus their energy on things that would make Windows have some respectable form of security (such as a decent firewall and better user/admin. handling).

  • Widely used, mission-essential, net-centric software will be managed and supported with disciplines similar to those used with weapon systems.

    Does anyone have an English translation available?
    • English Translation:

      We'll overpay for software that will rely on unencrypted Internet transmissions and will use HACKME as its Hostname. To maintain it, we'll be instituting a draft, as covered by the Selective Serf Act.
    • Widely used, mission-essential, net-centric software will be managed and supported with disciplines similar to those used with weapon systems.

      Translated: We will be turning these systems over to teenagers who have completed a compulsary 12-month training course.
  • that the air force DOES IN FACT TRAIN PEOPLE TO CODE why on earth would they use a "microsoft" solution when there are plenty of open source / free alternatives ? Granted they don't have to release all the juicy tidbits (read: top secret) but this just a waste of tax dollars. In other words, stop traing them for ADA, and train them for C/C++ etc!
  • Now I don't have to worry about boarding a jet anymore, but just look up at the ones crashing into my home... Not that the jets themselves are run on Windows, but its just a thought. Hey Microsoft, I am a member of the Air Force too! Where can I pirate, uhhmm, download, my version?
  • Couldn't they put all sorts of compliance clauses into to insure that MS moves heaven and earth to deliver stable secure code? I like the idea of consolidating service contracts under a single RFQ that puts security and stability at the top of the list of compliance functions. I'm not saying they did this, only that it's a good idea.
  • Such BS (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Mad Ogre ( 564694 )
    "The Linux community likes to hide behind the mantra of free and open software for all and as such has the twisted mindset that all software should be free for everyone. This should come as no surprise seeing that the Linux community seems to take pride in stealing anything they can get their hands on and breaking laws designed to protect IP at the same time." Linux is flat out a great OS, one that is truly customizable and flexable. And Open Source Software isn't just great because it's free - but it's
    • Re:Such BS (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28, 2004 @12:04AM (#10935149)
      The cost of software isn't the only factor - management and maintenance of the software costs way more than initial aquisition cost.

      Linux, quite simply, blows in a managed environment.

      Active Directory Group Policies, WMI, systems management server (inventory, software distribution, remote control), Operating System Deployment Feature Pack, MOM for the servers... management tools.

      Oh, and they all work together, with relative ease.

      I'm by no means an MS aplogist, but the Linux crowd has a long way to go before I can take them seriously enough to deploy on the 2500 desktops I am responsible for - and the 20K desktops that are in our entire enterprise.

      Linux works great on the server - we have 'em all over. But it would be more practical for us to switch to Mac OSX than Linux on the desktop. And that ain't gonna happen either as we have really good pricing (as does the Air Force and Navy) via our enterprise agreements. All that stuff I quoted above - bundled in as part of our EA - the whole package. It really does work well together and makes managing my 2500 desktops quite nice.

      Set up in a managed enterprise environment, windows is a stable and capable performer with lower cost of integration than any other platform out there. Might change someday, but not today.

      So, when the armchair slashdot quarterbacks out there are really responsible for 2500 desktops and have their job hinging on their ability to carry out the organizations core mission instead of half baked IT experiments, then I'll be listening. Show me the tools, show me they work and I'll consider it - I enjoy the hell out of tweaking our MS sales rep - I would love nothing more than to have a real stick to hit him with instead of a bunch of trash talking on an "advocacy" web site...
      • Re:Such BS (Score:5, Informative)

        by Aadain2001 ( 684036 ) on Sunday November 28, 2004 @03:42AM (#10935895) Journal
        Well, where I have worked had several hundred Linux desktops rolled out to several hundred engineers (and not the kind that know how to use computers, only custom applications) and it was support by just a few people with no problems. OpenLDAP, Samba, NFS, NIS, etc, etc, are all free, open, configurable, and time tested approaches to managing large numbers of files/computers/users. Have I personally done this? No, but I talked with the guys that did and they had more problems from all the Windows boxes on the network spewing viruses than they ever had with the Linux boxes (the Windows boxes were managed by the Windows guys, different group). Oh, and they managed over 3,000 Linux servers with very little effert. They could drop a new rack of 40 in place and have it running in a day (usually before lunch). The biggest problems with running Linux in large numbers is that you need to know what you are doing (and not try to integrate with an existing Windows network/server design. Windows doesn't play well with others).
  • Classified Systems (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    95% of the classified systems I've run into are running *nix (in one flavor or another) The systems on my base are proposing to switch to RedHat in the next year. It's not all Windows
  • SELinux? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by nocotigo ( 820504 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:24PM (#10934667)
    Why the hell did the U.S. government even bother with SELinux if they won't use it?
    • Re:SELinux? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Coryoth ( 254751 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:39PM (#10934732) Homepage Journal
      Head over the the NSA [nsa.gov] and read some of their papers about SELinux, and what it was intended for. It was not intended to be the ultimate secure OS. If you read between the lines, its mre like a bunch of NSA people got so pissed off with the current complete lack of security in commercially available OSs, so grabbed Linux and hacked in Mandatory Access Controls without any real difficulty and turned it back to the community as a demonstration to say "See, it isn't so damn hard to make things a lot more secure".

      I wouldn't make any bets as to whether the NSA themselves make a lot of use of SELinux. They won't really tell you what they use. They do certainly know alot about writing secure OS code though, considering how fast they managed to put SELinux together.

      Random fact: The NSA web site has never been hacked or defaced. The CIA, FBI, the White House etc. have all been hacked, even if it is rarely and briefly. The NSA... never. You can't tell me it's for lack of trying.

      Jedidiah.
      • Re:SELinux? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by moosesocks ( 264553 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @11:00PM (#10934839) Homepage
        Wow. If the design of their website [nsa.gov] doesn't give you a 'Big-brother' impression, nothing will.

        Seriously... are they GLOATING at the fact that they're an agency which literally nobody knows what they're doing.

        Heck, I remember reading somewhere that during WWII, the mere existance of the British equivilant to the NSA was known of by somewhere along the liens of two or three people outside of the agency itself -- Churchill was one of them.
        • You missed the kiddies page: Crypto Cat knows all..
        • Wow. If the design of their website doesn't give you a 'Big-brother' impression, nothing will. Seriously... are they GLOATING at the fact that they're an agency which literally nobody knows what they're doing.

          Actually, the NSA has a really cool kids website. [nsa.gov]

          WAIT: Scratch that, they USED [archive.org] to have a really cool kids website.

          I'm not sure why they killed the old site that had some really cool math puzzles. It was interesting even to adults like myself.
      • uh ya (Score:5, Funny)

        by tacokill ( 531275 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @11:30PM (#10934984)
        uhh, yea it is for lack of trying. Who the hell in their right mind would want to show up on THIER radar?

        :-)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:30PM (#10934697)
    These single size fits all solutions are typical of the military. The concern Ihave is that the Justice Department is not reviewing these contracts in view of the anti-trust law suits that MS lost. Additionally, the government and the military are supposed to aviod the appearance of backing a single company yet it would appear the the DOD is firmly in bed with Microsoft, Dell, and EDS. I would encourage all the readers of Slashdot to write their Congressional representatives and the President of the U. S. demanding an accounting of how each piece of these contract was justified.
    • Gets better (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Soulfader ( 527299 )
      Worse, the sheer size of the NMCI contract pretty much precludes anyone but EDS from handling it. So what happens if their service levels suck? Or they go bankrupt from trying to juggle changeover?
    • Well NMCI (the Navy/Marine Corps Internet) boondoggle awarded to EDS is a disaster for both the Navy and EDS. NAVSUP and SPAWAR, which I have contacts in are both furious at EDS and the needlessly restrictive policies that require them to use outdated (and vulnerable) software. For example, of the three mobile devices available on CLIN 0023, one of them is a Palm 3xe. Another is the Palm M505. They're livid they can't deploy anything remotely useful because they're limited to hardware that was obsolete
  • by acvh ( 120205 )
    How about a federal regulation prohibiting the government from doing business with a convicted monopolist? Hell, if felons can't vote, why should felonious corporations benefit from government contracts?

  • I was working at NMCI when EDS was trying to sell the concept to both the Army and the Air Force. The Air Force chose not to have a Civilian Contractor "own" the network. I am willing to bet that the Air Force retains full control of the various networks.

    Also Linux is not a good fit for applications such as Global Command and Control System (GCCS) which is a Unix/Windows product (Solaris servers, Windows clients and servers). This is of course if the AF chose to port the applications to another OS, which

    • Being that I worked on JOTS, JOTSII and GCCS why on earth is it not a good linux fit. Both of those systems where based initially on HPUX and a natural move would be to linux. Also GCCS was never and I mean never hooked to the internet and I doubt it is today for very obvious reasons. As a matter of fact I was working with JOTS way back when it was programmed in basic.
  • Gilligan spoke... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by acvh ( 120205 ) <`geek' `at' `mscigars.com'> on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:37PM (#10934729) Homepage
    From an interview with Air Force CIO John Gilligan, "Do we like what the Navy is doing? Apart from the fact that it's all one big contract, yeah, there are a lot of good things about that. As you may know, they're struggling on some areas -- it's gone a lot slower than they would like, the contractor is having problems, etc. -- so that is why I am caveating the statement. Would we do it exactly that way? No. Do we plan in the future to outsource increasingly some of our infrastructure? Yes. In fact, I'm looking for us to begin that dialogue with industry in earnest about nine months from now. "

    I wonder what changed his mind?
  • Man, I didn't like Highlander 2 as much as the next guy, but the article summary was kick in the nuts out of nowhere. Isn't there a statute of limitations on crappy movies? Does a time ever come when we can forgive them?
    • by Coryoth ( 254751 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:44PM (#10934762) Homepage Journal
      Man, I didn't like Highlander 2 as much as the next guy, but the article summary was kick in the nuts out of nowhere. Isn't there a statute of limitations on crappy movies? Does a time ever come when we can forgive them?

      There is no reason to forgive it. I am quite positive they never made any sequels to Highlander.

      Please don't ruin my carefully crafted delusions.

      Jedidiah.
  • by voisine ( 153062 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:42PM (#10934749)
    Highlander II? What are you talking about? There was no Highlander II. Even the writer and director of Highlander III admited there was never a Highlander II.
  • by JessLeah ( 625838 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:49PM (#10934781)
    Bill Gates could take a dump in a box and label it "Microsoft Windows SE (Shit Edition) 2005" and people would line up in droves to buy it. As long as an operating system has "Microsoft Windows" in the name, people will believe that they have to run it-- that if they don't, the world will end, or their computer will blow up, or they'll be confronted with an 80x25 greenscreen full of text, or something...
  • by rocker_wannabe ( 673157 ) on Saturday November 27, 2004 @10:59PM (#10934830)

    I was at a recent all-hands meeting of the Range personnel at a Navy base (Point Mugu) that I work at. The head of the group said that we all have to work more efficiently and he was open to any suggestions about anything except NMCI. This was because the Admiral (don't ask me which one because I don't remember) considers NMCI an incredible success!!

    Now anybody that works on a Navy facility that already had PCs and was forced to use NMCI knows that NMCI is an impediment to progress. I'm sure the first suggestion someone was going to make was to get rid of NMCI. The PCs are slow, and crash often because of changes pushed onto them by the network. The service is slow (as in "months to get something done"), and of course, Windows 2000 isn't the solution to every problem.

    So the question to anyone out there is "Why would the admirals think it's a success?".

    Is some group of people in the Navy actually better off now that NMCI is here?

    Is NMCI meeting some special need the Admiral has?

    Did they get kick backs from EDS or Microsoft?

    Have they been co-opted by foreign nationals or aliens intent on overthrowing the U.S.?

    Please post a response if you know the answer

    • Re:NMCI Mystery (Score:3, Interesting)

      by dedeman ( 726830 )
      Hmmm, well I can't say why he would have thought this was a "success" particularly, but there are a few factors at work here.

      #1 The Capt, Col, whoever, in charge of J6 or whatever dept heads up the IT scheme told him it was a success.

      #2 CINPACFLT (or someone) told him it would be a success

      #3 His C4I Dept heads or NCTAMSPAC told him it was a success, as it is always a good idea to tell the boss his idea is great

      #4 NMCI was pitched to someone (Adm somebody) as the end all be all of information systems

    • Re:NMCI Mystery (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Camel Pilot ( 78781 ) on Sunday November 28, 2004 @02:35AM (#10935685) Homepage Journal
      Mod the parent up as he speaks the truth.

      I also labor under the nmci network. I work at research lab were we are working on the next generation technology but the nmci contract requires us to use prior generation tools!

      A little known fact about the navy's tansition is that they sold the entire network infrastructure to a private concern! EDS actually "owns" the navy's entire infrastucture including the cable plant, routers, and desktop computers. this decision is so astounding dumb for several different reasons. first, if the contract doesn't work out (which it does not) how do you divorce yourself from a company that owns your infrastructure! keep in mind the navy has to work within a year-to-year budget, so if they decided to take back the infrastructure they could not because of the expense.

      second, do you think it as wise to trust all your important secrets to single source? we are small detachment, our local file storage was sensible local before. now our "lan" is a "wan" over 2000 miles away! which creates preformance and reliabilty problems and nicely concentrates information for a would be hacker.

      Then there is the monoculture thing, the slow desktop thing and the inability to use the software that works best for us. last I checked the list of approved software we could use mozilla v1.1. I was looking into writing a command and control intraface using xul and moz and now have to resort to vb.
  • by DeltaHat ( 645840 ) on Sunday November 28, 2004 @12:55AM (#10935369) Homepage
    I have had the opportunity to work on some of the AF's critical applications. They all run on Sunfires running Solaris. Windows is for the desktop, unix is for the servers. The only exceptions I've seen are the Exchange servers and the domain controllers. The whole reason for going with MS for the desktops, as explained to me, is that the cost of supporting and training the unwashed masses how to use *nix shifts the TCO so far that windows turns out cheeper. Also, the AF can bulk buy PCs at rock bottom prices with windows preloaded, which turns out to be cheeper than getting custom machines with linux. Here is a link to where the AF is going on the server end: http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/2003/08/0308 acton.html [af.mil]
  • by lkcl ( 517947 ) <lkcl@lkcl.net> on Sunday November 28, 2004 @01:37AM (#10935518) Homepage
    AUTOMATED UPDATES???????

    *gibber*. the US military is happy for _microsoft_ to push automated updates onto 500,000 windows desktops???

    what did i miss. is there something i haven't quite understood?
  • by vwgtiturbo ( 668171 ) on Sunday November 28, 2004 @03:42AM (#10935894) Homepage
    I just got out of the AF after 8 years of Avionics maintenance, and this is actually what the Air Force needs. For about the year or so before I got out, they bought an INSANE amount of Dell systems. We were running PII 350s, and 450s through 2001 or 2002 (If you were an officer, you were lucky, and had a 1.5Ghz system, but not us enlisted folks). Talk about frustrating... There is actually a lot more computer work done that just the accounting and forms that you think... everything from documentation of maintenance actions to a database, to doing the usual forms, troop performance reports, etc. Anyways, the AF has a HORRIBLE track record with software. They changed the personnel information system to a new, fangle-dangle thing, hailing it as a new wave. Unfortunately, by the time it was implemented, it was outdated, and never tested. Troops spent anywhere from 6 months to a year and a half getting paid at a lower rate, because the system wouldn't register their promotions (just one example of the poor quality of this system). If you had ever worked around the AF 'Small Computers' shop, you would know that they CANNOT handle Linux, or anything other than Windows. These people are MORONS. It got to the point that when one of my workcenter's 6 systems failed, I ended up formatting it and reinstalling Win because when the system was unrecoverable, they would rather spend 5 days running Norton AV than spending 1 hour reinstalling the OS. They always thought a virus was involved for some reason (that tells you about the quality and security of the networks, I suppose). In any case, I witnessed the incompetence first-hand, and think that, although Win sucks, the AF can't handle anything less user-friendly.

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