Internet Meltdown Predicted for Tomorrow 914
Kobalt writes "A few news services are reporting that Russian computer expert, Aleksandr Gostev from Kaspersky Labs, has predicted that a large chunk of the Internet will be shut down tomorrow by cyber terrorists."
google..... (Score:5, Funny)
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Just stick ".mirror.sytes.org" as the end of a domain name.
e.g. http://www.google.com.mirror.sytes.org/ [sytes.org]
Re:google..... (Score:5, Funny)
And just in case it does go down, here's the google cache [64.233.161.104] for it.
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It's not currently cached, though, so I submitted several times so Google gets it on its next search of its search of its search engine.
Once it goes through, we really ought to do it again for a fourth level of redundancy.
-Adam
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I don't know about wealth distribution...I think you probably should have went with the light bulb example. For those of you who don't know this, this will be an interesting contribution to this OT discussion. :)
When you buy a light bulb, the packaging says, "average lifetime 1000 hours". Are you likely to get 1000 hours out of your light bulb, then? No, in fact it is very unlikely. Why's that?
As it happens, light bulb filaments are finicky creatures. They will virtually burn forever if there are no microscopic defects in them and the amount of air inside the bulb is below a certain amount. Slight imperfections in the filament cause hot spots, and those hot spots in the presence of even a slightly higher-than-normal amount of air burn several times hotter than the rest of the filament, significantly shortening the life time of the bulb. When a "freak" comes out that is nearly microscopically perfect, the heat is evenly distributed across the entire filament and the lifetime can be hundreds or thousands of times longer than the lowest 99%. So, by including these outliers in the averages that only make up 1%, but live potentially thousands of times longer, the bulb companies are able to say that the average lifespan of the bulb is 1000 hours when actually it's probably closer to 600 hours, and it's completely true.
Re:google..... (Score:5, Informative)
This bulb, in a fire station in Livermore, CA, has been burning since 1901.
Constantly.
One hundred three years.
Here's [centennialbulb.org] the webcam.
Re:google..... (Score:5, Funny)
Sorry, couldn't resist a little on-topic humor....
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You have never worked tech support have you?
Re:google..... (Score:4, Funny)
Well, erm... obviously.
ISC got another side (Score:5, Funny)
diary [sans.org]:
"The ISC would like to go out on a limb and predict that the Internet will not vaporize into a cloud of nothingness this Thursday, but if it does, it's been our pleasure to help stave off its inevitable annihilation this long."
Re:google..... (Score:5, Funny)
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I would respond with "first off, your going to need more disks"
Which tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Which tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
I may or may not go harden my servers in preparation.
Finally! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Which tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
Well then, it meets all the requirements.....time to raise the national terror alert to ORANGE! w00t!
Re:Reminds me of the old joke... (Score:5, Funny)
Economists have successfully predicted nine of the last seven recessions.
Re:Which tomorrow? (Score:5, Funny)
I was under the impression everyone used the standard time zone EST5EDT. Are you saying there are places in the world that don't? That seems kind of silly to me. Since Washington, D.C. is the capital of the free world I propose that all world citizens use EST5EDT as their time zone for consistency.
Pure craziness (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Pure craziness (Score:4, Funny)
Guerilla Marketing by Kapersky Labs (Score:5, Interesting)
"The executive director of Dr.Web antivirus lab, Mikhail Bychinsky, quoted by Lenta.ru web agency said he had not heard of such an attack. "I do not believe in mass internet attacks because the main servers are defended, and Kaspersky Labs has been foretelling doomsday for a long time.""
Sounds like Kaspersky Labs is doing a bit of guerilla marketing on their own. "Subscribe to our pay sites and see when this 'attack' will take place !"
I wonder if a 21st century chicken little would have sold newsletters instead of running around the barnyard.
### The real threat ### (Score:4, Funny)
No DON'T push that button...
Re:Guerilla Marketing by Kapersky Labs (Score:5, Funny)
Sure, blame everything on terrorists (Score:3, Insightful)
Another terror alert? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Another terror alert? (Score:5, Informative)
Speaking at a conference hosted by Russian Information Agency Novosti, Aleksandr Gostev from Kaspersky Labs said information on this terrorist attack was published on special websites. He did not elaborate.
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The executive director of Dr.Web antivirus lab, Mikhail Bychinsky, quoted by Lenta.ru web agency said he had not heard of such an attack. "I do not believe in mass internet attacks because the main servers are defended, and Kaspersky Labs has been foretelling doomsday for a long time."
A case of cry wolf, most likely. The main question is 'Why the hell?'
Re:Another terror alert? (Score:5, Funny)
Did you see this other link [mosnews.com] on that page? Sometimes Reading TFA has unexpected benefits
Re:Another terror alert? (Score:5, Funny)
Chicken Little Says (Score:4, Funny)
The sky, she is falling! The sky, she is falling!
Re:Another terror alert? (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean, there were at least five other guys in the primary I think would've been better candidates, but it really scares me to think that the wastes of orgasms presently holding the highest offices in our country might get to do it for another four years just because the mainstream democrats had to choose the fucking establishment candidate.
But then, since I live in one of the NASCAR idiot redneck states that will overwhelming go to Prince George, I think maybe I'll vote for Nader, too. Or maybe Cthulhu.
Re:Another terror alert? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Brilliant deduction! (Score:5, Funny)
A *RUSSIAN* scientist spreading homeland security propaganda for an *AMERICAN* political party. You really put a lot of thought into that assertion, didn't you?
One word: outsourcing.
Care to define that? (Score:3, Interesting)
Can someone seriously tell me what a "cyber terrorist" is? Is it someone who makes threats using electronic media? Is it someone who defaces web sites? Is it someone who shuts down the Internet? Are the latter two here really forms of terrorism? I don't really know of anyone who is "terrorized" by defaced web sites and high lag times, but I could be wrong.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Funny)
no thats the RIAA isn't it?
Seriously....we need a "rim shot" mod.... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh wait, I'm a banker, I'm not supposed to say things like that...
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Insightful)
Officials of foreign governments are now terrorists, drinking a Pepsi at the Olympics is "advertising terrorism", etc.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Funny)
And if you don't agree, that's because you are a friggin terro-nazi.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Insightful)
As Reagan said; one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Funny)
If a fire fighter fights fires, and a crime fighter fights crime, what is a "freedom fighter"?
Simple ... (Score:5, Funny)
Donald Rumsfeld seems to fit into your progression.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Funny)
I always mess that one up. I thought he said "one mans terrorist is another mans customer."
Re:Care to define that? (Score:3, Funny)
Its that jackass that won't get off the mic in counter-strike, unreal tournament, and any other game in which they can spam endless chatter without a chance of retribution.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Insightful)
If the Internet is your livelyhood, then the threat of being shutdown or defaced (thereby damaging your company's reputation) is very real. While it is not life-threatening, a successful cyber attack could be very distruptive. If, for example, someone was able to shut down a large percentage of the Internet, what effect could that have on the US economy? It would not take long for serious repercussions on a world-wide scale due to loss of productivity.
No, they are not terrorists in threatening people's lives, but if they can prove that they can hit the economy, they accomplish the same goal: to create fear. Remember, one of the goals of 9/11 was not just to kill people but to hurt the US economy. Is this something to be worried about? What kind of wide-spread damage could a "cyber-terrorist" cause on the Internet?
BTW, I realize that this was a mis-quote, but it does bring up interesting questions.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hrm... but what about those instances where loss of the internet will increase productivity? For instance, I should be doing work right now...what if there's an interesting balance that happens (no internet hurts some folks, but helps others) such that the net effect is zero? And what's more important - net effect or effect for a given individual?
Now there's a philosophical mind-bender...
Re:Care to define that? (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah. A cyber terrorist is some teenage geek that messages you all the time with "ASL? R U HORNY?" so much and so often that you can't get anything done.
Internet Meltdown (Score:5, Funny)
It's what happens if you put your swimsuit in the dryer for too long on high heat.
Re:Care to define that? (Score:5, Informative)
Don't be so sure. I took a terrorism class when I was in college, and we spent the first week or two discussing definitions of terrorism. The CIA, FBI, different dictionaries, different experts, different nations, etc., all have significantly different definitions. There are about a dozen definitions that scholarly papers regularly cite, making the word mostly useless when the definition isn't provided.
Without the internet (Score:5, Funny)
How will I be so productive at work ?
oh... wait..
Repent! (Score:5, Funny)
In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
e-jihad perhaps? (Score:5, Interesting)
Some alternate names (Score:5, Funny)
e-had - a purely electronic holy war
i-had - much like an e-had, but it's portable
Re:e-jihad perhaps? (Score:3, Interesting)
God I hates sluts and jocks.
Ok, so no what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, why tomorrow? Wouldn't it send a more powerful message to wait a few weeks and do it on September 11th?
Re:Ok, so no what? (Score:5, Funny)
Obviously it's because August 26 is Macaulay Culkin's birthday [wikipedia.org]. Everyone knows terrorists are big fans of the Home Alone movies, though not the third one.
Re:Ok, so no what? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Ok, so no what? (Score:5, Funny)
Shhh, you might reveal the pointlessness of the Department of Homeland Security!
solution.. (Score:4, Funny)
Death of Internet predicted, film at 11 (Score:5, Informative)
Summary: nothing to see here. Move along.
In other news: (Score:5, Insightful)
The sun may or may not go nova this week.
I may or may not get myself a real girlfriend.
there may or may not be dupes posted on our beloved
Kevin Mitnick may or may not like chicken.
You may or may not get that raise (job, for those unemployed) this week.
It's easy to make
Many more SSH login attempts (Score:5, Interesting)
I never used to get this, and now I seem to get dozens of them every day.
I wonder if this is related to the so called "dooms-day" tomorrow.
Re:Many more SSH login attempts (Score:5, Funny)
Thanks in advance!
Re:Many more SSH login attempts (Score:5, Informative)
That started last month. It's a routine rootkit installer. One report is that in addition to trying for stupid passowrds it also attempts the overflow exploit from last year that got fixed in 3.7.1p2.
Re:Many more SSH login attempts (Score:5, Informative)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
I don't know about the Internet... (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds serious, maybe (Score:5, Funny)
A coordinated online strike against Internet servers by terrorists, dubbed "electronic jihad," may or may not strike this week, security experts said.
Well, I may or may not be concerned then.
Oh no! (Score:5, Funny)
so far this week (Score:3, Interesting)
Just an impression though. I did not notice any more lag than usual in the online games I play
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Misquote/hype (Score:5, Informative)
A handful of sites are stating that Eugene Kaspersky, founder of Kaspersky Labs, believes that tomorrow will bring a massive terrorist attack on the Internet. This is being quoted in a range of ways, ranging from factual reporting to citing the story as an example of cyber hysteria.
However, Kaspersky is not predicting the end of the Internet tomorrow - or even in the near future. The story stems from brief comments made yesterday at a press conference which was dedicated to cybercrime and the problems of spam.
At this press conference, Kaspersky commented that the possibility of terrorists using the Internet as a tool to attack certain countries as a reality. As an example, he cited the fact that a number of Arabic and Hebrew language websites contained an announcement of an 'electronic jihad' against Israel, to start on 26th August 2004.
In an interview today, Kaspersky stressed that such information was not necessarily trustworthy. 'We don't know who is behind these statements.' He went on to clarify: 'It's not the first time the term 'electronic jihad' has been used. We've seen this before, with the focus being on sending racist emails, and defacing and hacking Israeli web sites. But it is the first time I have seen sites encouraging the use of Internet attacks against one country as a form of terrorism.'
'As we've already stated many times in the past, it would be easy enough to use a network of infected computers to launch such an attack. We saw the impact that Sasser, Mydoom and Slammer had, on the Internet, businesses and organisations. Just imagine if such an attack was directed at one country or one critical point in the infrastructure of the Internet. Computers are a tool - and just like any tool, they can be used or misused.'
Kaspersky emphasised that the likelihood of a massive attack directed against Israeli institutions tomorrow is low. However, he believes that Pandora's box has now been opened. Hackers and virus writers can be motivated by a range of factors: money, curiosity, or political
conviction. But whatever their motivation, the insecure nature of the Internet and weak security precautions offer a wealth of opportunities. 'Maybe it won't be tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow - but sooner or later, terrorists will be using the Internet as another weapon in their arsenal.'
School started again.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Not sure how this relates to any jihad, though.
When's the Republican National Convention? Maybe this is somehow related to CrimethInc's talk?
Of Course They Did (Score:5, Funny)
Internettrafficreport.com (Score:5, Informative)
At about 12:15pm on the US east coast, it should be "tomorrow" soon in the Eastern continents. I'll keep a watch on the stats and flip the switch if necessary :P
Nothing will happen and you know this. (Score:5, Insightful)
Might as well report that the Apocalypse is supposed to happen sometime between 7 PM and 12 AM on Friday.
Personally, I hope it does happen. There hasn't really been any interesting attacks since Code Red. I'm always looking forward to what attackers will come up with next.
If they could actually cause a "meltdown", then that would be purely amazing.
Earthlink - Ahead of the Curve! (Score:5, Funny)
What a service provider!
XP SP2 (Score:5, Funny)
Ha! (Score:4, Funny)
This is a misquote (Score:4, Informative)
It is explained clearly by Russ Cooper in this bugtraq post [neohapsis.com].
Why post? (Score:5, Funny)
Oh for pity's sake!! At least get the facts right (Score:5, Informative)
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1. 25th August 2004: Who knows what tomorrow will bring?
A handful of sites are stating that Eugene Kaspersky, founder of Kaspersky Labs, believes that tomorrow will bring a massive terrorist attack on the Internet. This is being quoted in a range of ways, ranging from factual reporting to citing the story as an example of cyber hysteria.
However, Kaspersky is not predicting the end of the Internet tomorrow - or even in the near future. The story stems from brief comments made yesterday at a press conference which was dedicated to cybercrime and the problems of spam.
At this press conference, Kaspersky commented that the possibility of terrorists using the Internet as a tool to attack certain countries was a reality. As an example, he cited the fact that a number of Arabic and Hebrew language websites contained an announcement of an 'electronic jihad' against Israel, to start on 26th August 2004.
In an interview today, Kaspersky stressed that such information was not necessarily trustworthy. 'We don't know who is behind these statements.' He went on to clarify: 'It's not the first time the term 'electronic jihad' has been used. We've seen this before, with the focus being on sending racist emails, and defacing and hacking Israeli web sites. But it is the first time I have seen sites encouraging the use of Internet attacks against one country as a form of terrorism.'
'As we've already stated many times in the past, it would be easy enough to use a network of infected computers to launch such an attack. We saw the impact that Sasser, Mydoom and Slammer had, on the Internet, businesses and organisations. Just imagine if such an attack was directed at one country or one critical point in the infrastructure of the Internet. Computers are a tool - and just like any tool, they can be used or misused.'
Kaspersky emphasised that the likelihood of a massive attack directed against Israeli institutions tomorrow is low. However, he believes that Pandora's box has now been opened. Hackers and virus writers can be motivated by a range of factors: money, curiosity, or political conviction. But whatever their motivation, the insecure nature of the Internet and weak security precautions offer a wealth of opportunities. 'Maybe it won't be tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow - but sooner or later, terrorists will be using the Internet as another weapon in their arsenal.'
See http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/today/0006
MD5 cracked? (Score:4, Interesting)
Whoa. The article says MD5 encryption was cracked. Is this true? I had only heard a rumour that a single collision had been found. And as for SHA-0... that's hardly making up the backbone of the Internet, is it?
Wait a minute... is MD5 even encryption at all? I thought it was a "message digest"...
Re:MD5 cracked? (Score:5, Informative)
While not encryption, MD5 and SHA are used in a variety of ways that are important to encryption. For example PGP and GPG use hash algorithms and salt to convert plantext passphrases into pseudo-random encryption keys. So one possible threat is finding that MD5 and SHA are biased enough to make an attack feasible. It does not matter if blowfish uses 128 bit encryption if the function used to generate the key is significantly biased. Big huge "if."
As someone else pointed out, MD5 is used to encrypt passwords in some password files. If someone expands the shortcut to defeat preimage resistance, it might be easier to find a working passphrase from a password file. Again, this is a big "if."
So the one article is blowing things out of proportion. These are not the kind of breaks that would lead to a practical attack yet. The collisions were created using generated plaintexts so it is not likely that someone can slip a trojan into source code in such a way as to produce the same hash string.
Re:Interesting timing.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Interesting timing.. (Score:4, Interesting)
The same reason they got upset on 9/11, and all the other times a tragedy has unnaturally ended lives, and for that matter when the life of someone they love has ended naturally: death is not funny, and making jokes out of it is likely to cause suffering to people who have already suffered enough. Is humanity really such a terribly old-fashioned virtue these days?
Re:Interesting timing.. (Score:3, Interesting)
SP2 has been available for a week or two (there was a link posted on Slashdot to the download page) to (I think) business and netadmins. My guess is that black hat hackers have found some holes and are perched to launch new exploits. That's the only meltdown I can conceive at the moment.
Re:Initial symptoms? (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't jump to conclusions too quickly... The chances that somebody, somewhere on the planet is experiencing Internet-related problems on the same day as this was announced is pretty much 100%. It just so happens that you're the guy with the problems. Doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Re:At moments like these... (MREs) (Score:3, Funny)
Re:... and I predict (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Things to do to prepare for this. (Score:5, Funny)
1) Do absolutely nothing.
2) If anything happens tomorrow pull the plug on the DSL router we use for Internet access.
3) Plug the router back in after a few hours.
4) Repeat step 1.
Re:The sky is falling... Y2K pt. II (Score:5, Funny)
Careful, you're playing hardcore mode.