Man Arrested for 'Spam Rage' 547
Mirkon writes "We've all gotten frustrated at some point with spam. Perhaps we've even been motivated to send nasty, threatening messages back to the spammers, just to vent some frustration. Wired reports that 44-year-old computer programmer Charles Booker did just that, and 'now faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.'"
They kept telling him his penis was too small (Score:5, Insightful)
Now I see that they are able to send you animations/videos that get past Mozilla's image-blocking feature. Saw the first one yesterday, trying to sell me a Sony VAIO. How long is it going to be before I get one featuring erotic acts with barnyard animals?
The only thing that surprises me about this is that it wasn't a father who went nuts when seeing his little boy or girl subjected to some of this crap. Yeah, the penis ads are truly obnoxious... but to see your kids exposed to this some of this stuff? I could really sympathethize with someone going postal because of this.
Re:They kept telling him his penis was too small (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, advertising's worst enemy is indifference. Whether one is influenced to buy or influenced to get angry one is still influenced.
Just ignore it.
I'm sorry ... were you saying something ... ? (Score:3, Funny)
I wasn't paying attention...
Re:They kept telling him his penis was too small (Score:5, Insightful)
Indifference to the death threats should also be the response of the spammer. Just consider it a cost of doing business. When you email a couple of million people and when you refuse to unsubscribe them, you're bound to upset a few deranged people.
If the spammer wins, this is going to open the flowed gates for thousands of prosecutions. And as a taxpayer, I don't want to pay for this crap. Our government has better things to do.
Re:They kept telling him his penis was too small (Score:3, Funny)
When someone is harrassing you, I believe it's fine to defend yourself with mild acts of violence. While I don't think killing a spammer is appropriate, a good ass-whooping may be exactly what he needs.
Re:They kept telling him his penis was too small (Score:3, Insightful)
Spam is not advertising. Spam is theft, assault, pandering, and fraud. To ignore that sort of bad behaviour removes the only real cost associated with basing a business on such activity.
Re:Yeah, that works so well... (Score:3, Interesting)
Somehow I ran across it later, and to my suprise it was with a company I had done business. Upon checking, I was given credit for a return but I only assumed I was later charged for the replacement.
My assumption had been incorrect.
It is best to get the best spam filter you can get, because I am now getting more spam where I work on assignment than work related emails.
At home, on Linux - Mozilla has been doing an excellent job. Recentl
Removing Internet Access From Schools (Score:4, Interesting)
I used to be one of the most vocal about getting/keeping internet access in schools and public libraries. All that has changed now that the spammers have turned the net into the cesspool that it is.
Re:Removing Internet Access From Schools (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Removing Internet Access From Schools (Score:3, Insightful)
You say to "filter it to a negligible level" but I'm thinking that's a relative term. For me, at no point is it acceptable for a class of children to see popups for penis enlargement, breast enhancement or pr0n. I'm talking about a tolerance of zero per school year.
The problem with an internet connection in the classroom is that, at this point, the sup
Re:They kept telling him his penis was too small (Score:5, Informative)
Flash Click-to-View [mozdev.org] helps get rid of those stupid blinking flash ads. These are the ones that get around most ad-blocking software. Combine this with adblock [mozdev.org] and you have a very effective combination that gets rid of almost every ad out there with minimal configuration (just add the offending domains or some keywords to adblock's list, like "*.doubleclick.*" "*.atdmt.*" "*.x10*" "*ads.*", you get the idea).
Buggy as hell (Score:3, Interesting)
The idea behind Flash Click-to-View is a really great one, but the installer is broken, there's no uninstaller, the assumptions made by the author about how one browses the web are just stupid (only works as root? please), and the worst part is that he's not fixing any of this. He's not even talking to the users asking for help.
So, it's much like most of the other mozdev extensions I've tried. :-) It compiles/parses/looks pretty! Ship it and ignore it!
Why not? (Score:2, Funny)
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Before anyone panics (Score:5, Funny)
(Once you are assured of your anonymity, make sure that the threat is extremely detailed. A threat to snipe employees in the parking lot -- located at the intersection of streets Y and X -- is the kind of threat that companies take seriously. If necessary, you can spell out the profit/loss calculus for them. 10,000,000 spam emails = 10 penis devices sold = 1 crazy nut shooting up your place of business. Is it worth it, punk?)
Re:Before anyone panics (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Before anyone panics (Score:5, Funny)
Let's take spam "assassin" to a new level?
Could be a nice new field for laid of tech workers!
What ever happened to feelings? (Score:5, Insightful)
What recourse should we have? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What ever happened to feelings? (Score:4, Informative)
According to the article, that's exactly what happened here. There were threats about "disabling" employees with bullet, ice picks and anthrax. Talk about getting medieval.
If the neighbor's dog craps in my lawn every day and no complain of mine gets the owner to react, that doesn't empowers me to make threatening phone calls to his house.
Re:What ever happened to feelings? (Score:4, Insightful)
I have a neighbor that purposefully lets his dog out to crap on the neighbors lawn. (he brags how the dog never shits in his own yard)
First time, I let it slide. Next few times I turned the hose on the dog, and warned the neighbor. One day I walked out to see the neighbor standing in front of my house, his dog squatted over my lawn dumping a big steamy turd where he wasn't supposed too. I finally lost my cool.
I walked up behind the dog, grabbed the turd before it even hit the ground and flung it across the street at the neighbors car. Before he even said a word I warned him I had pictures of his dog shitting on my lawn, without a leash, and dared him to call the cops on me. After an exchange of words he went back home to clean the shit off his winshield. Needless to say his dog has never been on my lawn since.
I think there is a moral to be learned here. Spammers no matter how much you beg them to get off their "penis enlargement" lists just won't do it. Maybe the solution isn't blacklisting, perhaps the solution is to just hit reply and send the shit back to them.
Re:What ever happened to feelings? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What ever happened to feelings? (Score:2)
Re:What ever happened to feelings? (Score:2)
Only in Hollywood, and that was in the 1960's.
Re:What ever happened to feelings? (Score:3, Informative)
NOw, IANAL, but I do believe I know what assault means, and yes, this *was* assault. If someone feels threatened for their personal safety, that *is* assualt, by definition. Don't confuse "assault" with "assault and battery". Assault does not mean that anything physical actually took place. It is merely the threat of such an act.
Spam Rage? (Score:5, Funny)
What kind of help? I'll loan him a gun or two. Can any /.'er surreptitiously provide the anthrax spores?
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Spam Rage? (Score:2)
Re:Spam Rage? (Score:2, Insightful)
you taxes at work (Score:2)
More at the Houston Chronicle (Score:2)
Re:More at the Houston Chronicle (Score:5, Informative)
Re:More at the Houston Chronicle (Score:3, Funny)
"Mackay said such firms gave a bad name to the penis enhancement business."
Gosh, I can't belive I've been mislead to think the whole industry was a farce by "such firms".
BEST QUOTE EVER! (Score:4, Funny)
" Mackay said such firms gave a bad name to the penis enhancement business. "
Re:More at the Houston Chronicle (Score:4, Informative)
From directnic.com
And a pissed guy:
The fact that these people do Joe Jobs also doesn't help.
Re:More at the Houston Chronicle (Score:4, Informative)
Company Name? (Score:2)
That's from the Wired article. It would appear they didn't do much withholding.
Re:Company Name? (Score:2)
Repeated Threats (Score:2)
Re:Repeated Threats (Score:2)
Oh sh*t... (Score:3, Funny)
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
Overreaction (Score:2, Insightful)
Um, remove the ad-ware.
What's funny is the company Albion Medical "claims to produce the 'Only Reliable, Medically Approved Penis Enhancement.'"
He definitely overreacted. There is no reason to ever threaten employees of a company with anthrax infection, torture by ice pick or power drill, and castration. Come on. Then again, what jury would convi
The company should be sued (Score:2)
Well if this company would have to actually listen to people when they opt-out instead of just confirming that email address exists and spamming it more, this wouldn't have been an issue. What the man did was wrong, but the company in question should also be liable for damages.
This guy is a computer professional? (Score:2, Funny)
Must work for the government, or something.
Asking for a Presidentiol Pardon (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Asking for a Presidentiol Pardon (Score:2)
Whats so bad about this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmm, nothing wrong with that, lets look at it a little differently. The company in question -
1. Insulted him repeatedly about his penis size. Thus making the internet a hostile and intimidating place.
2. They made his computer unuseable causing a loss of income.
3. They intruded into his home and refused to leave his personal property alone.
And the government did nothing about it. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, all of these were infringed by the spammers. I think the defendant has his atitude wrong. He need NOT apologize, instead change his defense to "I was being harmed, pursued, harassed and the government refused to come to my aid. What options were left I was was to continue on with my life?".
Now THAT would be interesting, instead, all that we see is another story about hwo bad spam is. It will drive you crazy.
cluge
Re:Whats so bad about this? (Score:2)
Wow - the spammers actually entered his house, and refused to stop messing around with his stuff? No wonder he went a bit nuts on them...
anal enlargement (Score:5, Funny)
Only Reliable, Medically Approved Penis Enhancement.
poor guy if he finds one of those enlarged pennis in jail...
Double standard? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, this guy is obviously a total moron, but the case shows both how stupid the laws are with regards to spam, and how angry it makes people. It's like the kid on the schoolbus who gets poked and needled every day and nobody notices, but when he finally snaps and slugs one of his tormentors (or worse) it's a terrible thing.
I've done this in the past. Threatened spammers, that is. Nothing so dire nor graphic as this fellow, but I was angry enough that I wanted to get back at them somehow. I know someone who's said that he wants to torture and kill all spammers, and he's a totally meek, mellow guy for the most part. The anger people express about spam is very surprising, even more than telemarketing. It's surprising also that the bastards can make any money at all on a practice so universally reviled.
I used to care, back when I got maybe 20 spams a day. Now that I'm up above ~500, I don't care anymore.
Re:Double standard? (Score:4, Insightful)
But then some helpful guy on Slashdot says that by buying the right kind of insulating foam and covering your house with it (the inside - if it's on the outside the spammers will tear it off while you sleep) you can avoid most of the noise. Of course, not all of it, and you'll miss some legitimate visitors and noises, but that's okay...
Fuck that mentality. They're the problem, the solution involves getting rid of them. I'm not going to go shoot them, but if there was a paypal account to buy ammo for a sniper who did, I might contribute anonymously.
For personal email, having your own domain with spam traps, and having a bunch of filters (the ISP runs a filter, plus is on a blackhole list, and we run SA locally), it's mostly fine. However, try running a business this way with ads in the yellow pages, etc. You get random people emailing you, there's no way to whitelist them, they won't jump through reply-to-be-verified hoops, and they don't send consistent subject lines. Hell, many of them make typos, which triggers spam filters these days.
So you need an unfiltered address and you need to open about 10% of the spam, the stuff that has deceptive subjects "Re: Your Mail", "Invoice", etc.
To continue the analogy from above, it's like having a public business where you needed unbaffled windows to let people know you were in business, but that meant you had to sit through painfully loud advertisements all day in order to handle the customers who came by. But, of course, less customers would come by because of the noise.
The people who prey on others like this are scum. They know that nobody wants their email, they even know that everyone is trying to avoid it, but instead of stopping they start lying, hacking mail servers, trojaning PCs, etc. Exactly why can't we kill these people? What slight bit of good are these people doing for society? And even if you could find some, does it outweigh the pain they intentionally put people through all the time?
The only mistake the guy in this article made was threatening them instead of demonstrating his intentions a bit more... forcefully.
Too bad he didn't actually murder someone (Score:5, Insightful)
simple solution (Score:2)
oh yeah, obligatory open source reccommendation too.
Why is this unreasonable? (Score:4, Funny)
"I will hunt down and castrate your employees unless you take me off your e:mail list".
Now can anyone tell me what on earth is so unreasonable about that?
But seriously. The fact that the Canadian company failed to take him off their e:mail list the first time he complained / threatened could surely be seen a provocation. (At least in terms of lessening the guys sentence)
What ? (Score:5, Funny)
This guy should be nuts. I mean, come on, why would anyone even say NO to an offer of 30% of US$10,000,000 ( Ten Million US Dollars only ) and FREE Pills(TM) to improve Sex Life(TM) ?
The facts, if you didn't RTFA (Score:2, Informative)
Booker said the problem stemmed from a program he mistakenly downloaded from the Internet that brought a continuous stream of advertising to his computer.
So, he downloaded spyware or adware. That there reduces the amount of sympathy I might have towards him.
Booker threatened to send a "package full of Anthrax spores" to the company, to "disable" an employee with a bullet and torture him with a power
Re:The facts, if you didn't RTFA (Score:2)
Of course, if a company forwards a threat it receives to the FBI, they have to take it seriously. However, I hope the judge or jury in this case will realize that that jail time is just too much for someone who blows off steam inappropriately in email.
The media, including slashdot, is DEFINITELY doing the right thing here, though. Albion Medical
Time for some vigilante justice (Score:2, Funny)
and click on their website links
a LOT
Ah...America... (Score:2)
NOW...arrest and fine victins of bad internet usage.
What is next?
"land of freedom" yeah yeah yeah..I know.
i suspect the charges will be dropped (Score:3, Informative)
If this guy has any brains (perhaps not a warranted assumption) then he's going to get a defense lawyer and let the subpoenas start flying. This company's criminal behavior is all going to get laid out in black and white as part of the discovery process. This is why Emarketers America dropped their suit against spamhaus and SPEWS -- you better believe this guy will have discovery under criminal proceedings.
That said, it's really not nice to aim your death threats at secretaries and customer service people.
Re:i suspect the charges will be dropped (Score:2)
The plaintiff in a criminal trial is the government, not the victim. The government doesn't and shouldn't care how bad the victim looks as a result of discovery.
No apology (Score:2)
So what happens to the company now? Do they just get off scott free having harassed this guy for a few months with advertisements for snake oil? Doesn't Canada have an equivalent of the Federal Trade Commission [ftc.gov] to investigate their deceptive advertising? I say give the guy who made the threats some community service time and some anger management classes, but then have th
Wha..?? *head explodes* (Score:2)
"The object of the Californian's anger was Douglas Mackay, president of DM Contact Management, which works for Albion Medical, a firm advertising the "Only Reliable, Medically Approved Penis Enhancement."
So, he touts *HIS* company as *the* penis enlarging business to go to. heh.
He said his firm does not send spam
Prison, eh? (Score:2)
Is that five years in a Canadian or US prison? I mean the way the economy is in California a short stay in Canada (even in one of their prisons) might be preferred. Atleast you'll get three meals a day and some poutine if you're good.
If the fine is in CAD
The goal (Score:3, Insightful)
Recently I receievd multiple snail mail solicitations for refinancing my mortgage. These came shortly after I refinanced with a reputable lender. I noticed that quite a few of them had business return envelopes and was going to use one of my old 80s techniques to annoy the companies, which was to send it back empty or send it back with useless stuff in it (other mail soliciations from other companies, etc...). But then I realized, we're in a bind these days regarding the mail. Ever since the whole anthrax thing happened after the American World Trade Center bombings, the arrival of an empty envelope or even an envelope with innappropriate contents could bring about a huge investigation.
A similar kind of situation exists with telemarketers. Ever since the world got more exposure to things like workers "going postal" and the Columbine high school fiasco, even the slightest implication of violent language is now cause for concern. In the past, I could have told a telemarketer, "Have you ever seen the movie Falling Down? Well, if you keep calling you're going to get a visit from someone very much like the Michael Douglas character." and gotten away with it. Now if I say that, there's a pretty good chance that within hours I might get a visit from the police or within days or weeks get arrested. (Witness this story)
So... the question... what to do about this situation? I think the first part of answering this is trying to find out what the goal actually is. I would suggest that the goal is to take back our personal time without having to PAY for it. No... caller ID and Privacy Managers aren't the optimum solution. The Do Not Call list was a nice idea, but who knows when and if it will ever actually be permanently implemented. Talking to these jackholes directly does no good and can only make matters worse. Since most of these assholes are driven to do this kind of thing to profit, I suggest that we do everything we can to damage their profitability. For every call that you recieve or every e-mail or snail mail that you get that has a parent company of address, you lodge a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. Or perhaps, you just waste the telemarketer's time. Feign ignorance and get them to repeat their pitch multiple times. Keep them on the phone as long as possible. For every snail mail you get that has a business return envelope, send them your own form letter that tells them why you will never use their services or buy their products. (Make sure it's well worded and contains no threats no matter how much you may be tempted). On last ditch effort for those of you like me who like a good prank, is to take advantage of the fact that they called you and you can use them as the target of what would have previously been obscene or parnk phone calls. If the person is of the opposite sex, ask them if they are single. Or maybe you can ask them if their refrigerator is running, or if they have pig's feet or bowling balls... you get the idea. Think of it is phone trolling.
Whatever the case, please go to my hournal and post any ideas you might have in my latest JE.
Your Loyal Friend,
T4D
Vigilante (Score:2)
Spam however, because it's carried out in the digital realm, can often be traced with certainty back to its perpetrator. Yes, you might just find a hijacked machine, but even then good detective work might track who hijacked it. And when the spam directs you to a Website s
I'd like that to be a jury trial. (Score:2)
spammers (Score:2)
Hmm, what I'd really like to see is news about someone really doing what he thretened to do to a spammer.
Guerilla Business Tactics (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.corporatemechanics.com/pagesa/ourexp
Looks like they (DM Contact Management, aka the spammer) took CM's advice and liked it:
"Corporate Mechanics has been a key member of the set up team for our business. Corporate Mechanics and the guerilla management methods they have developed have streamlined our operation, technology, staff training, and development. Their assistance has cut our growth curve by a large margin and provided us a strong management and business platform to both operate and grow our firm effectively. The savings of effort and resources has been instrumental in our growth and profitability. The level of diverse experience coupled with the cutting edge solutions have served our company extremely well as they would any business. They get the job done period!
If you are looking for business effectiveness specialists Corporate Mechanics is the real article without question!"
Andrew MacKay, General Manager, DM Contact Management
Customer and Support Services Provider to Internet Marketers
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
So I suppose we should add Brian R Bowman (CEO of Corporate Mechanics) to the s#!t list of bad people who support such badgering of "clients". Maybe even drop him an email at group3@intergate.ca or give him a call (1-888-980-7520) to let him know what you think of the tactics which make otherwise sane people become email murderers.
Yeah, it's illegal to send threats, but I think this guy should get off just on the principal of it. Kind of like sending email threats fo Osama bin Laden or Saddam - kind of chicken soup for the soul.
Of course, being CA, maybe this will spark a 3 day waiting period on ice picks and power tools.
California Law (Score:3, Informative)
Here is a california law about WMD's and electronic threats (Anthrax is a Biological agent, so I beleieve it's covered here)
California Penal Code 11418.5 Threat to use weapon of mass destruction
11418.5. (a) Any person who knowingly threatens to use a weapon of mass destruction, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety, or for his or her immediate family's safety, which results in an isolation, quarantine, or decontamination effort, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for up to one year or in the state prison for 3, 4, or 6 years, or by a fine of not more than two hundred fifty thousand dollars ($250,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.
(b) For the purposes of this section, "sustained fear" can be established by, but is not limited to, conduct such as evacuation of any building by any occupant, evacuation of any school by any employee or student, evacuation of any home by any resident or occupant, or any other action taken in direct response to the threat to use a weapon of mass destruction.
(c) The fact that the person who allegedly violated this section did not actually possess a biological agent, toxin, or chemical weapon does not constitute a defense to the crime specified in this section.
(d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent punishment instead pursuant to any other provision of law that imposes a greater or more severe punishment.
Re:California Law (Score:3, Informative)
By the way, here's the contact form [albionmedical.com] for the spammer... Remember not to threaten them too much.
My question is... (Score:2, Interesting)
Even if it doesn't uninstall through the control panel applet, he should have known how to use msconfig, or a registry hack to stop it from running. (I'm assuming this is a Windows system, since no spammers that I know of have w
Mistake? (Score:3, Interesting)
a Silicon Valley computer programmer (!!!)
So, I see. Installs stuff "mistakenly". And what about other stuff he didn't notice? not all spyware stuff spawn pop-ups.
I guess his machine is infected with crap; now this guy writes code - probably distributes binaries. It seems to me that he is clueless about what is running on his machine - didn't even install a spam filter. He's a programmer, not aunt Sally, that's frightening.
What was the name of the company he was working for, again?
Monty Python Quote (Score:2)
VICTIM #3: I mean, I killed fifteen of those buggers, sir. Now, at home, they'd hang me! Here, they'll give me a fucking medal, sir!
He should have formulated... (Score:3, Funny)
I, Jesrad, Pope of the DIscordian Church of Kalliste, Hereby demand that your company removes Me from whatever email lists it maintains. Failure to comply will result in [enter list of gruesome curses and obscene tortures in a ritual kind of procedure].
In the name of our Lady of Confusion, [dated, signed]
This way your threats can pass off as protected religious practices. Goddess knows my religious practices often pass off as threatening, so the opposite shouldn't be that hard.
I mailed this to the SF City Attorney's Office (Score:4, Insightful)
He was merely venting his anger at the helplessness of his situation. Being powerless does that to people. People in power don't seem to understand this basic fact or, in their arrogance, they have forgotten it.
Congress may finally inact legislation that outlaws spam, giving Mr. Booher, and millions of others, relief from that plague. But, there is something you can do to relieve a plague of another kind: an overly agressive prosecutor who lack common sense or is looking for stepping stone in his/her political career. As a criminal forensic investigator for 15 years, I understand the directive to 'ferret out crime', but I know that prosecutors have their own counsel on whom they choose to prosecute, and why. Work loads, budget limitations, friendships, influence from above, and many other reasons affect whom prosecutors finally choose to prosecute. Many times the choice is arbitrary. Mr Booher probably can't afford a high profile attorney, so he is easy pickings. If the prosecutor in this case would only step back a moment and see how ridiculus this action makes him/her and the department look, perhaps they would reconsider. Considering the circumstances this assult could be dismissed with a 'warning', which I think Mr. Boohers' has already become fully aware.
I can understand his rage. At work, where I am a professional programmer, we have trained IT staff that maintain the interface between my PC and the Internet, and filter out 100's of viruses, trojans, and spam email daily, and their effects on my work PC are greatly reduced. Also, Microsoft Windows environments are extremely susceptible, as you are proabably aware, to such malware and Mr. Boohers' is not the only one making threats to spammers. You can Google the internet and see millions of messages venting the same rage, many of them probably from SF itself. In the age of Radical Extremeists blowing up buildings and murdering thousands of innocent people, prosecuting Mr. Boohers' is like an elementry school principle expelling a first grader for 'possession of a weapon' because he brought fingernail clippers to school, or a girl for 'drug possession' because she has a bottle of asprin in her purse.
If Mr. Boohers' has committed a crime it was that he is using the wrong Operating System. You should advise him to switch to a fine Linux Operating System, like Mandrake 9.2 or SUSE 9.0, and send him out the door. He won't be plagued with any malware ever again, because Linux IS secure. It is also free. That should calm him down even more!
Thanks for your time.
jerry Kreps
Lincoln, NE.
PS. Isn't the current "Politically Correct" environment making you ill? If mind reading hardware were available I do believe that we'd see prosecutions for what we think, too. Truely, the Bill of Rights seems to be a dead
document.
A Programmer Who Can't Block Spam?? (Score:2, Funny)
Booker said the problem stemmed from a program he mistakenly downloaded from the Internet that brought a continuous stream of advertising to his computer.
So this is a guy who clicks 'Yes' to popups that say Do you want to install HorsePornSpamSender.exe?! And furthermore, doesn't know how to download and run AdAware or Sp
NO JURY ON EARTH (Score:2)
arrest the spammers, too? (Score:2)
"company's website does not provide any telephone" (Score:3, Informative)
Leading Edge Marketing Inc.
PO Box CR-56766
Suite #1210
Nassau, New Providence ---
BS
810-815-1672
Domain Name: ALBIONMEDICAL.COM
Administrative Contact:
Leading Edge Marketing, Leading Edge Marketing domains@leminternet.com
PO Box CR-56766
Suite #1210
Nassau, New Providence ---
BS
810-815-1672
Technical Contact:
Leading Edge Marketing, Leading Edge Marketing domains@leminternet.com
PO Box CR-56766
Suite #1210
Nassau, New Providence ---
BS
810-815-1672
Record last updated 06-20-2003 03:25:11 PM
Record expires on 05-23-2008
Record created on 05-23-2001
Domain servers in listed order:
UDNS1.ULTRADNS.NET 204.69.234.1
UDNS2.ULTRADNS.NET 204.74.101.1
Gee...that was tough.
And what kind of retarded programmer is this that he doesn't even know how the internet works in this day and age? You don't reply to spam. Of course it's going to get worse. You simply launch a ddos attack on their mail servers while talking to their ISP and forcing them to stop hosting the wankers. And if they don't, then ddos them and talk to their ISP. Etc.
Here's a start...
Starting nmap 3.48 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap ) at 2003-11-22 12:23 Ea
Interesting ports on 65.39.243.197:
(The 1650 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
PORT STATE SERVICE
22/tcp open ssh
25/tcp open smtp
80/tcp open http
443/tcp open https
587/tcp open submission
801/tcp open device
873/tcp open rsync
Device type: general purpose
Running: FreeBSD 4.X
OS details: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE
Uptime 123.792 days (since Mon Jul 21 18:24:33 2003)
Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 20.954 seconds
FreeBSD. Good. More of a challenge =)
Every time I reply it bounces (Score:4, Funny)
Back when spam was illegal (Score:5, Informative)
Here's what's going to happen after February 21:
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You're going to get tons of spam, and from major companies. This becomes legal, even in states where it used to be illegal.
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The headers will be correct. There are penalties for forging headers.
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The spam won't necessarily have the company name, just some unsubscribe URL and a P.O. box for written "opt-out" requests.
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You can go through the motions of "opting out", but it won't do much.
"Opt-out" is interpreted narrowly, on a "per sender" basis. "Sender" is defined narrowly - "The term `sender', when used with respect to a commercial electronic mail message, means a person who initiates such a message and whose product, service, or Internet web site is advertised or promoted by the message." (from S.877) Note the "and"; it's not there by accident. Each combination of spammer and advertiser may be considered a different "sender". That clause could even be interpreted to completely let third-party spammers off the hook.
So advertisers get to throw away the opt-out list every time they change spamhauses. There's even a "separate line of business" exception to make this explicit - spammers with both "Viagra" and "refinancing" spams don't have to use the opt-out list from one with the other.
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You can't sue. Only the FTC and the U.S. Justice Department can sue.
This was all carefully crafted by lobbyists for the Direct Marketing Organization, who will be celebrating as soon as they get some sleep, having been up all night getting this through the House.Has the world gone mad? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:if the company is canadian (Score:3, Informative)
Re:if the company is canadian (Score:5, Insightful)
- He is an American
- He resides in the US
- He made the calls and sent the email from the US
- There are laws in the US and in the state in which he resides against making threats.
Any other questions?Here's the real question (Score:5, Insightful)
But consider what would happen to an individual pervert who sent out hundreds of thousands of sick emails talking about penises, and continued to do so even after the recipients told him in no uncertain terms to stop?
He'd be thrown in jail, that's what would happen.
Why are businesses allowed to do things that individuals aren't?
Re:Here's the real question (Score:2)
Remember, the law is a funny thing, and different laws cover business and advertising than cover personal and threatening communication.
Re:Here's the real question (Score:5, Interesting)
Maybe some of the "professional victims" who make a living from suing city councils after slipping on a banana peel, or getting fat by eating too much etc, could address this new market?
IUS Anti-spam law vs Candaian Company? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Well he DID commit a crime (Score:4, Funny)
You threaten to do harm to someone, for whatever reason, its a crime.. you should goto jail...
If that's true, then can we please send the government and police to jail?
Re:Well he DID commit a crime (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Well he DID commit a crime (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe the best legal solution, instead
Re:Well he DID commit a crime (Score:5, Interesting)
1. I was provoked
2. There's no real evidence I have the strength to tear off your head so it's probably not serious
3. I make no actual agressive moves toward you
It's just blustery anger, the guy doesn't deserver, and probably won't get, jail time.
TW
Re:Well he DID commit a crime (Score:2)
And he DOES deserve jail time. Getting spam isnt quite the same emotional event as finding your wife in a bar making out with someone..
We cant have people running around threatening bodily harm just beacuse they are in a bad mood, unless you are in the WWF
Re:Well he DID commit a crime (Score:2)
Depends on what you are in to. Some folk on the net are quite into going to bars to watch their wife making out. Mind you some of the same folk are also into restraint.
I don't think there is any group of people who get a kick out of receiving spam.
[Googles for "spam fetish"]
Well you live and learn. Apparently there IS a SPAM fetish involving the pink canned meat and
timeline (Score:4, Insightful)
If El Rago del Spam snapped one time after asking Penis mailer to quit then I could see this guy owning up and saying, "wow, lost my temper; didn't mean it. Sorry about threating your company, spammers." and let it drop. But he did not, he continued to threaten over a period of time.
Much as I would like ot see rednecks with whichester rifles and Spammer tags, I think it's probably best if we continue to pretend we live in a society governed by the rule of law.
Cheers,
- RLJ
Dismal Enforcement... (Score:2)
Re:Weak victim? Not really (Score:2)
Send me repeated vulgar emails and I will pee on your lawn, have an affair with your wife, have a baby with her and leave you to raise the child.
10... 9... 8... 7... 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...
I'm still here!
Re:Weak victim? Not really (Score:2)