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Haiku vs Spam 722

Mark Cantrell was among several people who sent in a story about a company using "Haiku to Stop Spam. Essentially you use a copyrighted Haiku to tag that a message meets criteria (1 Recipient, Pre-Existing Relationship, etc) which then makes it a simple matter to filter the mail. I'm sure the spammers in China will laugh wildly as they forge the haiku. I challange comment posters to post only Haiku in this discussion ;)
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Haiku vs Spam

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  • by cicatrix1 ( 123440 ) <cicatrix1NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:43AM (#4104413) Homepage
    China eh? Funny, I always thought Haiku was a Japanese art. . .
  • by dijjnn ( 227302 )
    this post is not bright
    but at least a creative
    request for flaimbait
  • Haiku to stop spam based on a software filter will always fail
  • by moby ( 96858 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:46AM (#4104444) Homepage
    posting in haiku
    will leave much left unmentioned
    but those are the rules
  • by Mynn ( 209621 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:46AM (#4104446)
    sometimes seventeen
    syllables ain't enough to
    express a complete
  • a haiku filter,
    no collateral damage.
    ah, spam free morning.
  • by Frater 219 ( 1455 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:47AM (#4104461) Journal
    Drop by drop by drop
    Sweet rain turns to killing flood
    One mail, ten mails, spam.
  • It's everyone's favorite treat!
    Please pass the mustard.
  • haiku as a tool
    could you have predicted it?
    I really doubt it
  • by i0lanthe ( 198512 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:48AM (#4104477) Homepage Journal
    Pro-copyright news,
    like shifting summer breezes,
    fans Slashdot fires.
  • by jinx90277 ( 517785 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:49AM (#4104483)
    The old pond; spammer
    jumps in; the sound of water;
    please, please, no bubbles.

  • by farrellj ( 563 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:49AM (#4104485) Homepage Journal
    Zen's sound is nothing
    Power out, system silent
    No power is Zen
  • i am not poet
    but this sounds cool to me now
    spammers will have pain
  • "Fasten seatbelts tight
    Your seat cushions float gently
    Headsets five dollars."
  • Sa-wing that mallet
    SPEWS can stop that spammy flood
    Always LART that spam!
  • A secret header, this haiku is copyright my message legal.
  • Enlarge your penis
    Reregister your domain
    Click to unsubscribe

    Ha! I got a spam through!
  • by Marasmus ( 63844 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:50AM (#4104513) Homepage Journal
    This is a spam mail
    please erase this from Inbox
    Don't need viagra

    this is for my friend
    always so nice and helpful
    no pyramid scheme

    i hate christine hall
    and her trafficmagnet site
    send me endless spam

    amazon dot com
    stop sending me newsletters
    I'm illiterate
  • Haiku: not chinese; From japan the art from japan the art form came; Baka is your name
  • if you need haiku, go here [badhaiku.com]
  • by dlek ( 324832 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:52AM (#4104533)
    Interesting plan.

    But can your exhausted courts
    really handle this?

    (For those who don't know: haiku is three lines of five, seven, and five syllables, in that order.)

  • FYI: How to haiku (Score:3, Informative)

    by zaren ( 204877 ) <fishrocket@gmail.com> on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:53AM (#4104553) Journal
    From nmhu.edu [nmhu.edu]:

    HAIKU - (high-coo)

    The haiku is a three-line, seventeen syllable, unrhymed poem, which uses nature as its primary focus. The Haiku captures a moment in nature or in life and freezes it with disciplined language. Each reader then thaws the message, the picture that has been painted by words, and brings the scene to life.

    17 syllable, 3 lines

    Line 1 5 syllables
    Line 2 7 syllables
    Line 3 5 syllables
  • retarded idea
    sucks more cock than piazza
    slashdot sinks lower
  • by Casca ( 4032 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:54AM (#4104564) Journal
    My english teacher
    Finally vindicated
    Haiku has a use
  • by cswiii ( 11061 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:55AM (#4104579)
    "Do YOU want to see
    Iambic Pentameter
    Lesbian action?"
  • [I know I'm bucking the trend by reading the article, but, trust me, I didn't inhale.]
    • So you've got an internet mail service that you subscribe to.
    • That mail service accepts an inbound email from someone.
    • If the inbound email does not contain a copyrighted string, then (and I'm making technical assumptions here), it returns it to the sender.
    • The sender reads the conditions for adding the mark, agrees to them, adds a special copyrighted haiku to the headers, and resends the message.
    • The internet mail service receives the message, sees the mark, and passes it into the recipient's mail spool.
    • The user sees a marked message, sees that it's spam, and since the message in some way violates the terms and conditions of using the mark, they can then turn around and sue the sender.
    • The user then looks at the email and despairs -- after all, this is SPAM, and it's near-impossible to tell who's sent the email.

    Have I about got it? I suppose there'd be options to have all messages go through to a "suspicious" box, or to do some kind of SpamAssassin tagging for unmarked email, etc.

    So, how exactly is this different from homebrew "whitelist only" systems? The only distinguishing mark is that the sender's acceptance of a legal contract involves addition of a copyrighted mark, in this case, a haiku poem in a header.

    If I've got my own whitelist system, that returns a message saying "use this string 'Mtzlplck' and the message will go through, but by doing this you agree that you're not a spammer, and if you violate this trust, I'll sue you," then I should have the same protections as if they'd illegially used a copyrighted mark. Right?

    Or am I missing something significant?

    The
  • Spam in my mailbox
    abuse acted on complaints
    Joyous internet
  • url (Score:4, Interesting)

    by i0lanthe ( 198512 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:57AM (#4104612) Homepage Journal
    Try h t t p [habeas.com]
    colon slash slash habeas
    dot com. More info.
  • by Wakko Warner ( 324 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:57AM (#4104615) Homepage Journal
    Damn, you guys are 'tards.
    Learn to write proper haiku.
    (I could teach my dog.)

    - A.P.
  • by BoneFlower ( 107640 ) <.moc.liamg. .ta. .ecurbehteinna.> on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @09:59AM (#4104638) Journal
    Vogon poetry

    Stopping spammers easily

    Sue their asses now
  • by billbaggins ( 156118 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:00AM (#4104649)
    The linked article
    Displaying limited brains
    May be quoted thus:
    Habeas is a Latin term used in legal proceedings that means "evidence" or "to show proof."
    Habeas in fact
    means "let us have" and no more
    and not "evidence"

    They are thinking of
    "writ of habeas corpus"
    "Let's have the body"

    Nitpick mode now off
    Let those who frequent this board
    Now resume to speak.

  • by mh_tang ( 307188 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:01AM (#4104665)
    Oh tin of pink meat
    I ponder what you may be:
    Snout or ear or feet?
  • by PMuse ( 320639 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:03AM (#4104679)
    Take license to send
    email to people I know?
    Now, matters are worse.
  • Read the article... (Score:4, Informative)

    by jaaron ( 551839 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:05AM (#4104710) Homepage
    read the article

    mystery revealed to you

    poem placed in header
  • Ahem... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Dannon ( 142147 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:13AM (#4104787) Journal
    There was a story on Yahoo
    About filtering spam with Haiku.
    So in five-seven-five,
    All the /.ers jived,
    But I thought I should try something new!
  • by Tenebrious1 ( 530949 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:18AM (#4104843) Homepage
    Individuals and Internet service providers can license and use the mark for free, while businesses and bulk e-mail companies will pay to use it.

    Great, so now my inbox gets filled with spam, but from companies that are paying Habeas to do so. I'll have to add the domains of those who purchase licenses to my filters... wait, isn't that what I'm doing now?

    Sure, sue spammers for trademark infringement, copyright violations. Yes, since the RIAA, MPAA, and Microsoft are having so much success stamping out piracy in China, I'm sure this new scheme is going to stop the spammers cold! In fact let me call my broker so I can buy some Habeas stock!

  • by Muad'Dave ( 255648 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:20AM (#4104870) Homepage
    By Muad'Dave:

    Like bodysnatchers,
    Spam has crept into our lives
    It will win, I think.

    The mad scientist,
    in the lab toils to create
    square pigs for Hormel.

    Spam, it does not reap,
    neither doth it sow, I think,
    it cunningly waits.

    When left with the rest,
    A wise man chose to call it
    Spam: Sow Parts And Meat.

    Glist'ning, shiny block,
    too horrible to think from
    where you came and how.

    You must look at Spam
    that does not correspond to
    the knitting machine.

    Spark'ling Spam that zaps
    when eaten or dropped from high
    drank from the charge pond.

    Unlike the Eggy,
    Spam not only 'can tongue', it
    is canned tongue in steel.

    Deep within the heart
    of swine there cries out a voice
    "Spam, my destiny."

    Saw a therapist-
    He made me wallow in Spam.
    He was The Rapist.

    Ran out of dead cows
    to loft at the seiged city.
    Used Spam, rest all died.

    Ship loaded with Spam
    runs aground on the dark reef.
    Oil slick and fish kill.

    Greasy loaf, digest.
    Leave me better than you found-
    Clog not arteries.

    Truncated blue can,
    how can you contain such vile
    and slimy pig guts?

    Who hast made thee, Spam?
    Pink, glutinous, porcine parts
    there in gelled repose.

    Chopped and fried, layered
    among other things pig-like,
    surely a man's feast.

    The Spam maps Pam's amps
    hoping to find a way to
    avoid the hot pan.

    Spam spilled in the street,
    greasy and slick from the can,
    a twelve car pileup.

    Faint whiff of the sea,
    Greasy scent of things porcine,
    I must open it.

    Missles fly, "Nuke War!"
    All is still, the earth cools down,
    Roaches feast on Spam.

    Sliced for sandwich,
    formed as loaf, chopped for salad,
    my Spam does not judge.

    Once thought unclean, now
    all pigs strive for a higher
    plane of being - Spam.

    By T. Goodfellow:

    Conjugating Spam
    spamo, spamas, spamatus
    Boy I hate Latin.

    Spam in my stocking
    on December 25th
    I was bad this year

    50% off
    an after-Christmas Spam sale
    plenty to pick from

    If Spam were outlawed
    only outlaws would carry
    guns made of pig meat

    While on a cruise ship
    "Spam overboard!" came the yell
    No one seemed to care

    Ma pig, to her son,
    If you don't make something of
    yourself, Hormel will.

    I like Spam, I do
    but I'd never admit it
    to someone like you

    Locked out of the house
    on the doorstep shivering
    Spam waits for its master

    DaVinci drawing
    to British scholars reveals
    early Spam concepts

    re-inventing Spam
    I suggest we use soy beans
    vegetarian

    Like chicken and egg
    does the can shape the Spam, or
    does Spam shape the can?

    Summer '59,
    The rains came early, then dry
    A great Spam vintage.

    Sooner or later
    zero or more cans of Spam
    not pleasing itself

    only Hormel can
    make the manslaughter of pigs
    Man's laughter of Spam

    Hogs, none the wiser
    board the bus to nirvana
    destination: Spam

    A pallet of Spam
    could it be any worse than
    Spam on the palette

    Secret document
    stolen by Chinese agents
    Spam powered rockets

    Proper etiquette
    demands that Spam eaters
    conceal agony

    Attorneys or Spam
    The only difference is
    in the packaging

    If Spam grew on trees
    Newton's law calculations
    would have been greasy

    In a Spam glacier
    a fully preserved mammoth
    What a way to go

    Tunneling inward
    the electron microscope
    atomic pig parts

    pigs, each year with hope
    in vain searching yellow pages
    still no Spam heading

    the stock broker
    stuffing his porkfolio
    going long on Spam

    Anticipation
    Spam in a ketchup bottle
    s l o w l y s l i d i n g out.

    Boy scout winter camp
    Spam unevenly heated
    half frozen; half burnt

  • by Mindwarp ( 15738 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:22AM (#4104894) Homepage Journal
    From Nigeria
    Someone owes you millions
    too good to be true!

    SlashDot article
    Hyperlinks call to me but
    afraid of GoatSex

    Dear hated spammer,
    You vandalise my hotmail.
    Die with spike up ass!

    SlashDot educates,
    I thought Haiku Japanese,
    Now I know better.
  • by mblase ( 200735 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:22AM (#4104905)
    Five-seven-and-five
    Aren't nearly enough words
    To explain oneself.

    The Habeas mark contains a three-line haiku protected by copyright law. Six other lines contain the copyright and trademark notices and other trademark protected information.... If senders fail to meet the criteria, they could be sued for trademark and copyright infringement, Mitchell said.

    Basically, they're using copyright law to replace a non-existant spam law. If your header contains their copyrighted haiku, then you're not sending spam and you're allowed through. If you use the haiku header and you're still spam, you're violating their rules and are sued for copyright infringement.

    Cute strategy, especially the part where they piggyback on the geek affection for gratuitous haiku, but it's built upon the (frankly) naive idea that their subscribers can get everyone they want to get email from to play along. It basically turns your entire flow of email into an "opt-in" list. It's nice that you can sue spammers with forged headers for copyright infringement, but that's not what's going to happen; what will happen is you'll get a "unknown sender" folder chock-full of spam and a few useful e-mails from people who don't know or don't care how to use the haiku header, and you'll still have to sort through it by hand every day.

    The spammers won't need to forge their headers, unless (somehow) this tactic gets adopted by the entire Internet, including Yahoo, Hotmail and AOL. The inconvenience will be great enough that no one will want to play along anyway.
  • by toupsie ( 88295 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:28AM (#4104966) Homepage
    I challange comment posters to post only Haiku in this discussion ;)

    I challenge the editors of Slashdot to quit posting crap like this. There is more going on in the world of SPAM prevention than the stupidity of adding Haikus to e-mail messages (great waste of bandwidth).

    Maybe it passed by the editor's eyes that Apple has registered the trademark 'Junkyard' and has installed "sophisticated built-in junk mail filtering" into Mac OS X 10.2 [apple.com]. Rumor is that Apple will be adding junk mail filtering software in their Mac OS X Server OS. Junkyard is the product name for this technology that is going to be added/tagged on to Mac OS X Server's version of Sendmail. If it is like Rendezvous [apple.com], it will be open source and available to the Open Source Community.

  • by Rayonic ( 462789 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @10:33AM (#4105016) Homepage Journal
    Ha! I bet in Perl you could write it in eight.
  • On the haiku form (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gripdamage ( 529664 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @12:25PM (#4105920)
    haikus should contain
    wind blowing, leaves falling
    something about nature

    spam unnatural
    cut cows however you want
    you will not find it

    find the truth of it
    syllables not everything
    more to sky than stars
  • by MsWillow ( 17812 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @12:58PM (#4106124) Homepage Journal
    Is it spam or not?
    Is the haiku in the text?
    Either way, it's spam

  • Doubtful. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by hyphz ( 179185 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @01:31PM (#4106335)
    I am not quite sure
    This will do much good at all.
    Please let me explain:

    Personal use is free,
    But they charge firms to use it.
    Not all firms will pay.

    Most folks will prefer
    To get a thousand spam than
    To lose one real mail.

    If it's mail from firms
    That's more likely to get lost
    That is even worse:

    Mail folk WANT from firms
    Tends to be most important:
    Reciepts, upgrades, on..

    In the article
    They said mail lacking haiku
    Should not be destroyed;

    Yet having the mail
    Brought to your attention is
    Yes/No, no degree.

    Even if you store
    Suspect mail apart from clean
    In case real mail's lost,

    To check for that loss
    You must sort through all the spam
    Which defies the point.

    Also mentioned was
    Countries which don't have these laws
    Can spam just the same:

    So how long before
    They set up remailer bots
    That add the haiku?

    Even if the mail
    Didn't come from China when
    It was written first,

    The 'criminal' act -
    Adding haiku without leave -
    will have happened there.

    Spam filters should be
    Based on what mail to turn down,
    Not what to accept.
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  • by isomeme ( 177414 ) <cdberry@gmail.com> on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @01:39PM (#4106365) Journal
    Spam stopper based on
    copyright, SMTP
    ignorance. Yeah, right.
  • by pnutjam ( 523990 ) <{gro.zciworob} {ta} {todhsals}> on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @02:01PM (#4106528) Homepage Journal
    The 2nd to last paragraph makes me lose hope of ever getting rid of spam.

    businesses and bulk e-mail companies will pay to use it.

    so this is really just a way for them to get in the loop and make some money off the spammers.
    ROTTEN!
  • Learn you some Haiku (Score:4, Informative)

    by sielwolf ( 246764 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @03:04PM (#4106986) Homepage Journal
    A common mistake among English speakers is that in English, haiku would still be composed of seventeen syllables. It is not.

    Here is a very good article on it [empirezine.com] (featuring my favorite haiku BTW [rutgers.edu]).

    It comes down to the semantics of English versus Japanese. Under English there is a much more constrictive syntax, thus the meaning of a phrase can change just by resorting the words (Japanese, OTOH, is more resilient). Why is this important? 17 syllables in English can carry much more meaning than 17 syllables in Japanese.

    Most haiku authors agree that the rough mean in English should be 12 in three phrases. Of course that is just a starting point at best. One of Ezra Pound's better known haiku is 18 syllables in two lines. In the end haiku creation is not a rote process.
  • by Rui del-Negro ( 531098 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @06:01PM (#4108137) Homepage
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  • nice read (Score:3, Insightful)

    by deft ( 253558 ) on Tuesday August 20, 2002 @06:12PM (#4108199) Homepage
    thankfully the posts
    usually long winded
    are much shorter now

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