

Man Pleads Guilty to Stealing Enigma Machine 155
Adler writes: "A man has pleaded guilty to to 'handling' the stolen Enigma machine in the UK. Its a short piece, but says that some vital parts of the machine are still missing. A longer BBC News piece is here." You may remember when this was first stolen, then held for ransom, then recovered -- this is the mopping up part.
He would have gotten away with it ... (Score:4, Funny)
If only... (Score:5, Funny)
I'd have to give him a medal if he did that.
Where the missing bits are (Score:2, Redundant)
-- MarkusQ
Re:Where the missing bits are (Score:1, Offtopic)
Turing would be turning in his grave ... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Turing would be turning in his grave ... (Score:5, Informative)
But how strong? Wasn't the enigma made for banking communications and then adobted by the military? Everyone knew back when the banks used it that there was the flaw that pressing a letter on the keypad would never result in that same letter being in that same place in the cypher text, but I don't thinks it a major leap of faith to assume the banking industry didn't expect several governments would work hard to attempt to foil the scheme...
And furthermore, Turing didn't make the machine, or even have any impact on the design - turing was in the position the US gov is - trying to break down the ecryption. If you went up to Turing at a point when he was deeply stuck on something and asked his feelings about having a known backdoor, what would he say?
(note: I do not support the US gov in the area of wanting backdoors, but I don't think unresearhed complaints against it is appropriate either)
Re:Turing would be turning in his grave ... (Score:1)
"Fuck off, I'm busy."
Re:Turing would be turning in his grave ... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Turing would be turning in his grave ... (Score:1)
Methinks you need to get your history straight before you try making any more historical jokes...
Re:Turing would be turning in his grave ... (Score:2)
Looge, if you provided some references for your rantings, we might take you more seriously. If you need help understanding HTML, please let us know. We'll type slowly and use short words.
Re:bad pun (Score:2, Informative)
iirc turing was killed because he was a homosexual. he was arrested and had his security clearance revoked. then someone poisoned him with cyanide. its very sad.
anyway if you care check out the alan turing homepage [turing.org.uk]
come on people (Score:1, Funny)
Pearl Harbor was just attacked 57 years ago and you people are talking about some crappy shit noone cares about!
the missing rotors (Score:3, Interesting)
I know it's not the same as the entire recovered machine that was captured and used to defeat the natzi germany forces but like the crown jewels on display, noone will know they are fake or not the real ones.
Re:the missing rotors (Score:5, Informative)
Lest we rewrite history even more, Poland [ucsd.edu] cracked Enigma and gave a working machine (built from scratch) to the UK well before an actual German machine was recovered. The recovered machine just confirmed how amazingly accurate the Polish device was.
Re:the missing rotors (Score:2)
Colossus (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Colossus (Score:4, Informative)
But the previous poster is right
Now, if you want to talk about mechanical computers, what I *really* would like to see, if it's even possible, is a working model of Babbage's Analytical Engine.
Re:Colossus (Score:3, Interesting)
In hardware [colorado.edu] or software [fourmilab.ch]?
k.
Re:Analytical Engine and Difference Engine differe (Score:2)
The link to John Walker's site [fourmilab.ch], however, does contain software that emulates the AE. The colorado.edu link has a replica of a Difference Engine. So I suppose it's like showing a picture of an Intel 4004-based calculator to someone who wanted to see a picture of a computer. The raw materials (chips, PCB, keypad, display) are the same, so I guess it's a difference in degree, not kind. I guess.
Now you've got me confused.
All I can say is imagine a Beowulf ClustBZZZZT GAAAAAAHHHH!
k.
Re:Analytical Engine and Difference Engine differe (Score:1)
It was able to calculate factorials if I remember correctly.
Re:Colossus (Score:5, Informative)
>Polish intelligence was using a device called the "Bombe" to automate (to some extent) cracking a 3-wheel Enigma.
Polish intelligence knew about Enigma and smuggled a copied machine to the British. Subsequently the British managed to get hold of some genuine machines. This is how they started their attempts to crack the code. The detailed wiring of the rotas was a very important factor.
Initially the British intelligences used a a variety of manual methods to break Enigma. mostly based on squared paper and paper strips. These were based on the weakness that a letter would never be encoded as itself - they also took advantage of some sloppy operating procedures by the German encryption clerks.
Latter the British built Bombes to routinely crack enigma.
Colosus was not invented to crack Enigma - but was built to crack a different system of encryption - the one used by the German High command.
Those wanting to know more should read "The Ultra Secret" - which gives a history of what went on at Bletchly park from a historical POV - with limited details about how the code was cracked - but a lot of information about what was obtained and how it was used.
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My facts come from :
1) Bletchly Park is 30 miles north of here and the exhibition there is very informative.
2) My aunt was one of the WRENS who maintained and operated the Bombes at Bletchly Park during WW2. It annoyed by Grandfather until his dying day that my Aunt always refused to discuss anything at all about what she did during the war.She only told the rest of the family when "The Ultra Secret" was published.
Re:Colossus (Score:1)
what I *really* would like to see, if it's even possible, is a working model of Babbage's Analytical Engine
FYI, here is a review [washingtonpost.com] of a recent book entitled The Difference Engine by Doron Swade that addresses some of the issues you raise.
A collection of Babbage links is here [reading.ac.uk].
Re:Colossus (Score:1)
than Enigma (Lorenz IIRC) and had nothing to do with Turing, who
had long since left England to live in the USA.
Cracking the Enigma (quickly) was made possible with a far
simpler machine known as the "Bomb", which was designed and built
by Turing but doesn't really qualify as a computer as it is not
programmable.
Tommy Flowers was indeed involved with Collosus, but the
significance of his involvement is often overlooked. Flowers
actually designed and built the Collosus almost single handedly
(in order to match the requirements presented to him by Max
Newman.)
It is worth repeating, Turing had nothing to do with Collosus or
the cracking of the Lorenz cipher.
Re: Background, please (Score:5, Informative)
Certainly.
The Engima story is quite interesting and complex; volumes can and have been written about it and it's beyond the scope of a Slashdot post to relay the full history [jhu.edu]. But I've provided some links [nsa.gov] if you're curious.
It should be noted that Bletchley Park's work [us.net] in deciphering the Enigma [us.net] codes - used by the Germans to direct operations including U-boat attacks on Allied convoys - proved vital to the outcome of the WWII.
Bletchley Park [bletchleypark.org.uk], code-named Station X, employed teams of mathematicians, linguists and chess champions during the war.
By the end of 1945, 10,000 people worked there.
With the help of decoding machines, the army of experts were able to crack the German code Enigma, which Berlin believed to be unbreakable.
The work carried out at the top-secret centre is believed to have shortened the war by several years and was kept secret until 1967.
The stolen [bbc.co.uk] device, an Abwehr Enigma G312, is a rare four-rotor version, one of only three still known to be in existence.
But why keep the wheels? (Score:1)
It may be old technology, but I certainly would enjoy having a copy of an Enigma on the coffee table for guests to play with
Before we all start rewriting history again... (Score:3, Interesting)
Let's get it straight that Poland [ucsd.edu] cracked Enigma and built working devices from scratch, long before Turing automated the the decryption process at Bletchley, or Matthew McConaughey recovered the secret Death Star plans from R2-D571.
Re:Before we all start rewriting history again... (Score:2)
Oh no! I am writhing in the crushing grip of your logic! Woe is me!
Seriously though, if I've got this wrong, be specific about what, and provide some references.
Rare machine (Score:1)
Also, IANAL but since the machine was returned sans vital parts, the guy could've been charged with some other stuff, like vandalism or defacing government property or something similar. Stealing it was not a bright idea, since a machine like that is hard to sell without arousing suspicion, and is useless for anything else.
Re:Rare machine - not really that rare... (Score:1)
Apparently most came off of captured WW2 submarines that were towed into Halifax harbour and disassembled for intelligence info. Canada kept the Enigmas but didn't bother to tell anyone. (They ended up at CSE in Ottawa.)
Encryption? (Score:2)
My basic question is, can you actually use the enigma for secure communications still?
-Kasreyn
Re:Encryption? (Score:2, Funny)
Then we will see if it is still a valid encryption method
/me thinks symmetric cyphers which do not encode a letter as itself ever should be easy prey for any modern computer
Re:Encryption? (Score:1, Funny)
On the other hand, you could use the DMCA to sue anyone who decrypted it without your permission.
Re:Encryption? (Score:1)
3 rotor Engima applet (Score:5, Interesting)
On a related note (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:On a related note (Score:1)
Re:On a related note (Score:3, Funny)
Ah well, at least we have movies like U571 to correctly tell us who was involved in the war.
Re:Movie and Novel (was: On a related note) (Score:1)
by Robert Harris. This also has the polish spy (somehow
weaving in a storry about the Katyn massacre on polish
officers).
But this book gets the part with the original invention
of the bombes by the polish engineers right.
There are some other smaller differences from tech
details in the book, but overall it gives a good
atmospheric idea about the time and proceedings.
Maybe we should prefer not to be annoyed by the way novels and
movies treat history, but too many people only hear
about history through movies and novels.
Re:On a related note (Score:3, Informative)
Several downloadable Enigma simulations... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Several downloadable Enigma simulations... (Score:2)
Re:completely offtopic (Score:1)
Re:completely offtopic (Score:2)
Apparently. Your post proves it quite eloquently.
Headline incorrect (Score:4, Informative)
Your headline reads: Man Pleads Guilty to Stealing Enigma Machine
The story itself states clearly several times in the first few sentences: that he "admitted handling stolen goods" and that he "pleaded guilty
Re:Headline incorrect (Score:2)
An article in the Guardian [guardian.co.uk] suggests that it was an inside job, intended to discredit the director of the Bletchley Park Trust, Christine Large, who had been sacked and reinstated in controversial circumstances. The full details of the theft have yet to emerge, but as they may be a long time in coming it makes sense to cover this development.
And in related news... (Score:2, Funny)
"First they tell you you're wrong and they can prove it; then they tell you you're right but it isn't important; then they tell you it's important but they knew it all along." -Charles Kettering
Now we know what await Afghan (Score:1)
Those are unlucky people...
Re:The myth of the rariry about the Enigma machine (Score:1)
Pieces missing from stolen amiga machine (Score:1)
And in other news... (Score:4, Funny)
Rotor-based encryption (Score:1)
Perhaps slightly off-topic: Python has a builtin module, rotor [python.org] , that provides rotor-based encryption. The documentation says: "The design is derived from the Enigma device, a machine used during World War II to encipher messages." Cool! Take it for a spin:
>>> import rotor
>>> r = rotor.newrotor('secretkey')
>>> print r.encrypt('squeamish ossifrage')
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Obvious fate of the rotors. . . (Score:1)
2) They're being boxed into Lego Mindstorm kits.
3) Or perhaps they're the driving force behind my own computer. No wonder my Seti@Home blocks take eight months each.*
4) Scattered amidst the spare parts behind a defunct Yugo factory.
* Consumer tip: Never buy a Celeron out of the back of a truck.
Historic machines should be considered priceless (Score:2, Insightful)
IMHO, During WWII there was a life-and-death race to cracking the codes that those type of machines created. Hence, the essential need of stronger computational power to break Enigma. Turing, et al worked creating techniques against Enigma and thus our computer science was born. The world would be a vastly different place today if it were not for breaking of Enigma and the like. Think about it.
They are priceless examples of history and should be displayed with proper security.
=bcc
Interesting timing (Score:1)
No, it was the feds. (Score:1)
How long until the press write a story linking Bin Laden and the terrorists, Crypto Backdoors, and blaim it on the Enigma machine?
Moderators on crack (Score:1)
Now, go ahead and mod me to -1, offtopic (or flamebait, whichever is "mod down excuse of the day") as well. I mean, obviously I'm as deservant as gusnz is.
Re:Moderators on crack (Score:1)
As in "funny"? Anyone? I fully support modding trolls down, but c'mon, aren't we allowed to laugh sometimes at their expense?
Re:Moderators on crack (Score:1)
Enigma -> Encryption -> United States Government Regulations
Makes enough sense to me... And that's what is strange about Slashdot, nobody can make an exception to something utterly humorous.