Latest Windows 10 Update Has Yet Another File-Managing Issue (gizmodo.com.au) 177
An anonymous reader quotes Gizmodo:
When it was discovered earlier this month that the 1809 build of Windows 10 was deleting user files just because, Microsoft halted the update until the problem was fixed. Shame, then, that another not-as-bad-but-still-bad file overwriting bug has now reared its head. in 1809, overwriting files by extracting from an archive using File Explorer doesn't result in an overwrite prompt dialogue and also doesn't replace any files at all; it just fails silently. There are also some reports that it did overwrite items, but did so silently without asking.
Ars Technica speculates that there's a larger program with Microsoft's testing process: [M]any of the preview builds had a bug wherein deleting a directory that was synced to OneDrive crashed the machine. Not only was this bug integrated into the Windows code, it was allowed to ship to end users. This tells us some fundamental things about how Windows is being developed. Either tests do not exist at all for this code (and I've been told that yes, it's permitted to integrate code without tests, though I would hope this isn't the norm), or test failures are being regarded as acceptable, non-blocking issues, and developers are being allowed to integrate code that they know doesn't work properly...
Microsoft's new development process has, proportionately, a greater amount of time spent writing new features, and a reduced amount of time stabilizing and fixing those features. That would be fine if the quality of the features were higher to start with, with the testing infrastructure to support it and higher standards before new code was integrated. But the experience with Windows 10 thus far is that Microsoft hasn't developed the processes and systems needed to sustain this new approach.
Ars Technica speculates that there's a larger program with Microsoft's testing process: [M]any of the preview builds had a bug wherein deleting a directory that was synced to OneDrive crashed the machine. Not only was this bug integrated into the Windows code, it was allowed to ship to end users. This tells us some fundamental things about how Windows is being developed. Either tests do not exist at all for this code (and I've been told that yes, it's permitted to integrate code without tests, though I would hope this isn't the norm), or test failures are being regarded as acceptable, non-blocking issues, and developers are being allowed to integrate code that they know doesn't work properly...
Microsoft's new development process has, proportionately, a greater amount of time spent writing new features, and a reduced amount of time stabilizing and fixing those features. That would be fine if the quality of the features were higher to start with, with the testing infrastructure to support it and higher standards before new code was integrated. But the experience with Windows 10 thus far is that Microsoft hasn't developed the processes and systems needed to sustain this new approach.
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If you're implying the Dolphin was a humongous, mind-numbingly, horrendously stupid idea, I'm inclined to agree with you.
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^ posting AC because during a copy of large amount of files Dolphin ate half of them including his slashdot info
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Leon Black would buy your forum in a leveraged buyout and then nuke your account
Worst insult for a software developer (Score:5, Insightful)
Wow, that's Microsoft quality!
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Sorry, you're stuck in the past (Score:3)
Worst insult for a software developer: Wow, that's Microsoft quality!
Is it the 90s again? I used win2k/xp in the naughties, win7 for most of this decade, at work they're all Microsoft with Windows/Outlook/Office + SQL Server and honestly the code is quite okay. The big issues are usually design choices like UAC, the ribbon, UWP, telemetry, ads etc. though of course they can have a bad bug. So can Linux and open source. In fact most project except the kernel seem chronically understaffed and whenever there is a bad bug it turns out there's just a handful of volunteers making
Re: Sorry, you're stuck in the past (Score:1)
We need to be careful about how we minimize bugs. It is one thing to categorize something as an annoyance, like not being able to highlight the last character in a PDF. It is quite another to have the operating system behave in quite unexpected ways with respect to how it handles files on disk.
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This is, I believe, due in large part to the "stack ranking" method of management that they inflicted on their employees for so long.
They screwed the good people, kept the brown-nosing losers, and years later, here we are. Shit software from a dysfunctional company that couldn't find its way out of a phone booth with a squad of Army Rangers to show them the way.
I saw so many good people get screwed by stack ranking that it seriously made me question if a competitor had come up with the idea and implemented
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Wow, that's Microsoft quality!
It's almost as if they fired their entire QA department in 2014. How that ever got to be a fad, I don't know.
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Wow, that's Microsoft quality!
"either tests do not exist at all for this code (and I've been told that yes, it's permitted to integrate code without tests
That pretty much tells it all. Violation of the prime directive.
cocaine + developers (Score:1)
At this point I sorta almost miss Ballmer all coked up out of his mind "Developers, Developers, Developers!"
In days past, while Microsoft still sucked, at least they were more predictable to the point where one could "deal with" and manage their shit. Seriously, it could be done.
Now it's all completely insane unpredictable chaos to the point where it's damn near impossible to manage their shit in any sort of professional manner, because we all are part of some fucked up beta testing appy app as a service e
Microsoft was badly managed 10 years ago. (Score:4, Interesting)
The Microsoft chaos existed 10 years ago, but yes, the chaos is worse now. See this Scientific American article: Microsoft Vista voted tech world's top "Fiasco" [scientificamerican.com] (Feb. 26, 2009)
It's amazing that a company can be so badly managed that there is an article about it in Scientific American magazine.
A year before that article: Vista's 11 Pillars of Failure [pcmag.com]. (April 21, 2008)
Some of John C. Dvorak's complaints:
6) Bogus Vista-capable stickers.
7) Missing drivers.
8) Conflicting advice.
11) Performance. You're not supposed to deliver a new operating system that's been in development for more than four years yet performs worse than the previous OS.
A Slashdot comment I wrote 10 1/2 years ago: Microsoft: "The whole world is our beta tester." [slashdot.org] That comment was way too positive, I realize now. Part of that comment seems correct to me:
"Another problem at Microsoft is apparently that the good people have left, and the people who remain are not knowledgeable enough to do the work."
It's time to stop joking about the many, many problems at Microsoft. (Regarding the parent comment: Cocaine will not fix the problems.)
Microsoft needs a new CEO and a re-organization of management.
See my comment posted yesterday: Microsoft is poorly managed? Plenty of evidence. [slashdot.org]
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Never have I experienced such annoyances with gmake.
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No worries, one day europe will produce a piece of software people actually use.
Re: FOSS vs Junkware (Score:3)
You mean Linux?
Windows is no longer a real operating system (Score:1)
Windows exists in a weird temporal space between the total phasing out of personal computers for goys, and the old days of personal software.
Windows 10 will be the last version ever. That seems ridiculous if you assume it will last for decades, but the deprecation of personal computers is planned on a much shorter timescale.
Who cares that your local data gets turned into mulch. It will all just be appy app apps in the cloud soon.
Re:Then who will write the apps (Score:1)
Re:Windows is no longer a real operating system (Score:5, Interesting)
Who cares that your local data gets turned into mulch. It will all just be appy app apps in the cloud soon.
From the original post:
"... a bug wherein deleting a directory that was synced to OneDrive crashed the machine.
The Cloud was the problem here. One of the reasons I never use it.
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The first version of Windows that requires a periodic subscription is the day I go 100% Linux user. With increasing steam cross functionality I'm running out of reasons to keep Winblows around.
Yup.
If anyone suggested that to me 5 years ago I'd have thought them nuts.
Now, not so much.
I'm even preparing myself for a steamless Linux desktop sooner rather than later, just because.
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I've been saying for years that the goal is to turn Windows into a monthly subscription service, and it looks like I was right.
Office365, for example. A lot of people use it at $10 a month, and that number is only going to go up.
Windows SE (Subscription Edition) isn't far behind.
Windows 10 is a big step towards locked down... (Score:5, Insightful)
... computing. To turn PC's into locked down devices like phones. The masses are too stupid to understand what is happening and keep feeding all these companies money. Watching PC software freedom and games being literally stolen and turned into "services" because the average person on our planet is fucking chimp level intelligence is pretty fucking disgusting.
Re:Windows 10 is a big step towards locked down... (Score:5, Insightful)
... computing. To turn PC's into locked down devices like phones. The masses are too stupid to understand what is happening and keep feeding all these companies money.
Wrong. The stupid masses now understand how stupid they really are, and buy tablets and smartphones instead of computers, which is why they're willing to now spend over $1000 on these "cheaper" devices. They already operate locked down devices, just like they drive locked down cars. Here's a little hint as to why; They don't want to maintain this shit, because they don't know how and don't want to learn. YOU pay good money to go visit a dentist at least once a year for the same damn reason; you don't have the expertise or the tools to maintain your teeth or do maintenance on them.
What you're quick to call the "stupid" masses ends up being the 90% of society who is NOT inclined to take up IT as a part-time hobby to maintain complex systems. The masses want shit that "just works" when they turn it on, even if that means they have less control and less functionality.
Watching PC software freedom and games being literally stolen and turned into "services" because the average person on our planet is fucking chimp level intelligence is pretty fucking disgusting.
And the reason software is turning into services is because it creates perpetual revenue streams. Greed N. Corruption is the CEO of US Capitalism, Inc. so don't be so stupidly surprised when greed is prioritized over cutting the customer a break.
But hey, if you really hate this shit, then go roll your own. There's always FOSS. Go for it instead of sitting on your ass bitching about it. You're asking the average idiot to buy a fully functional computer and learn to maintain it properly, so me asking you to go create your own OS is certainly fair.
Re:Windows 10 is a big step towards locked down... (Score:4, Insightful)
"There's always FOSS. Go for it instead of sitting on your ass bitching about it."
That's a highly questionable claim. You can still do that, but the day Microsoft feels they can get away with it, "secure boot" will, with 100% certainty become mandatory at least on consumer class gear, no keys will be handed out, and then FOSS is absolutely fucked.
They are so close, all they have to do is to tell the OEM vendors that they will not be certified as Windows compatible if they allow you to disable it, and *poof*, there's FOSS gone. It's already started on some laptops.
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YOU pay good money to go visit a dentist at least once a year for the same damn reason; you don't have the expertise or the tools to maintain your teeth or do maintenance on them.
This toothbrush I am waving at you says otherwise. Yes, it's a talking toothrbrush.
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I see, so if someone were to offer you a job with better pay and an easier commute with better fringe benefits, you would turn it down because you are not greedy, not like those "other" guys?
Re:Windows 10 is a big step towards locked down... (Score:4, Interesting)
And the reason software is turning into services is because it creates perpetual revenue streams.
Actually, you got it backwards. Patches and updates have been included in the price of software from the very beginning. What we had until recently was the requirement to pay our subscription fee for the software all upfront. But from a fiscal point of view, Software was always a subscription, as long as you got your patches and updates. You just never got the bill split up into the initial payment for the software and the subsequent payment for the software assurance subscription, as you had to pay for it all at once.
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Technically, anything you buy which wears out is a subscription (rent). If you buy a washing machine for $500, which dies after 5 years (on average) and needs to be replaced with a new $500 washing machine, you a
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I don't consider a subscription model valid for an OS though.
Sigh... the same thing was said at the beginning of MMO's where Ultima RPG's were all stand alone until the internet, and then the big shift began. All rpgs in development for the PC were relabelled and rebadged mmo's to get the drm into them which is why they all wanted it so bad. You get to lock down the software and control it. Anyway, it's way too late because windows 10 is already here, mmo's, steam, gacha mobile games.
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One of the killer features of software rental is that everyone has the same version. This makes the software actually worth more IMO.
Re:Windows 10 is a big step towards locked down... (Score:4, Insightful)
One of the killer features of software rental is that everyone has the same version. This makes the software actually worth more IMO.
Not sure if you're trolling or just stupid... A killer feature for who?
What about people who refused to upgrade Office because they hated the ribbon? Should they have just sucked it up and kept paying for something they didn't want and didn't like? How is it a killer feature when the "current" version drops the functionality you depend upon?
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A killer feature for those of us that interact with other organizations.
No file format issues, and no feature lacking issues even if the file format is the same.
The fact that I receive a file and know I can open it, or send a file and know it can be opened as increased the value of Creative Suite and even to an extent Office (though there's plenty of old copies of Office floating around, so it's a lot less true there).
No more does one need to back-save and hope everything remains in tact.
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Your killer feature is merely a convenience factor for you. It has nothing to do with anything else but your personal convenience.
Until the feature you use gets deprecated and you are forced to move on and get by without it. Software vendors don't drop features we like for no reason, do they?
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I'm definitely pro open file formats. I'm well aware of that fact.
They still don't solve the issue of features (for example formula compatibility in ODF spreadsheets is (or at least was) not a given).
And yes, convenience/ability to share editable files does increase the value of software, that should be obvious. Being able to collaborate is pretty important.
The fact that people use old copies of Office does make sending and receiving files to/from office users a pain. Dealing with Office files is a pain in
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I'll be kind. We'll chalk it up to naïveté.
A killer feature is something that causes unexpected and massive (voluntary) uptake. Adding the app store to IOS was a killer feature. Adding pre-emptive multitasking to Windows in 95 was a killer feature. Streetview on Google Maps was a killer feature. Killer features are the things that make people want to run out and b
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Fair-point WRT to killer feature I guess/
Uptake of Creative Cloud did seem pretty fast in my observations, Though I'd bet it had more to do with short-term capital outlay than it did everyone being on the same version. If one was buying for the first time it was about 3 years before it was cheaper to buy, and even if one was upgrading more than one version it was a while before it became more expensive.
It's interchangeable, if it's so rarely used as to not be worth a reasonable subscription (which we don't
Re:Windows 10 is a big step towards locked down... (Score:4, Insightful)
The very first line of your entire premise is completely wrong. You cannot resale anything you rent. You can discontinue a rental at any time and you will have nothing left to show for your investment. You cannot pass of amortization as some sort of bogus rental strategy. They aren't even close.
I don't know where you've been buying washing machines, but I'd be furious if I spent $500 on a washer only to have to throw it away (no residual value) after five years. I have never in my life seen any washer fail catastrophically in five years - or less since you assert this is an average. A washer is considered a durable good.
I got my current washer used - it came with the house - eight years ago. I spent a grand total of $3.00 on maintenance to replace a set of plastic ratcheting dogs in that eight years My previous washer I bought new and left it at the old house when I sold after six years of service.
No it is not. The cost may be the same but the concept is drastically different. If you rent a car, or lease, YOU DO NOT OWN THE CAR. If you scratch the paint, tear the upholstery, or just decide to replace the horn with one that plays La Cucaracha, you had better have your name on the title. If you rent or lease, you are using someone else's property and are expected to return it in the same condition you took it. You are looking at this as a simple dollars and sense proposition and ignoring all the other rights that come with ownership. THIS IS WHAT THE GP WAS SAYING!
Software is not an exception. The same rules apply. Just because tangible goods depreciate does not mean software does not either. TurboTax 2009 will not suffice for tax year 2018 but works just as well as it did when new. The only difference is that software does not (generally) become unsuitable for purpose during that time frame you own it due to wear and tear. Photoshop 1.0 does not suddenly stop working just because it's outdated.
For some values of "reasonable". If it is your intention to run on the upgrade treadmill, then yes, it's reasonable. If you expect to keep a software purchase and use it for a long time because it works for your purpose and you do not need to arbitrarily upgrade, then no, it is unreasonable. The problem is that it is no longer an option. Businesses like it because they can expense rentals. They do not like to track assets and depreciate them. Home users are not so fond of adding yet another monthly bill to the already long list.
And right here you undermine the credibility of your entire post by admitting that unless you have a desire for the latest new shiny, a purchase is a better deal.
That little problem is already covered. Microsoft drops support for old hardware continuously. Now your hardware AND software are useless.
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But from a fiscal point of view, Software was always a subscription, as long as you got your patches and updates. You just never got the bill split up into the initial payment for the software and the subsequent payment for the software assurance subscription, as you had to pay for it all at once.
No, that's the opposite of a subscription. In that model, you know how much you're paying. Paying by subscription is fine so long as it comes with updates, but it's a bit frustrating when you also have to pay for major versions.
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But hey, if you really hate this shit, then go roll your own. There's always FOSS. Go for it instead of sitting on your ass bitching about it.
Has it maybe occurred to you that the person you are responding too HAS done what you asked and is STILL bitching about the situation? Yes, yes, it is certainly possible.
I know that I have "rolled my own". And, I agree with the person you are responding to. Once the masses become comfortable with it, the laws will follow and then we will not be able to roll our own anymore. Everyone should say something about this situation.
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I recently bought a new laptop that came with Windows 10. I gave it a chance while I explored the capabilities of the machine, but the locked-down nature of the OS was so off-putting to me (someone who's used to having root on their *nix based machines). I wiped and reinstalled with Linux Mint 18 and it is such a better experience now. I have full control over my machine, no corporate agenda, everything "just works". No forced reboot nonsense, either. No more crapware preinstalled. Seriously, Linux's
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The masses are too stupid to understand what is happening and keep feeding all these companies money.
No, they just never cared for the freedom to screw with your OS in the first place. There's a lot of very smart people out there happy to give up a freedom which they don't see any point in exercising.
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"left wing nazi fascist"
LOL, the amount of sheer stupidity in that one bit could fill books.
Half of those things are totally at odd with the other half, but don't you worry your pretty little head over it, okay? Sean Hannity will be along soon to tell you what to think. Or is that Jeanine Pirro's job?
May have happened with the previous update (Score:5, Interesting)
The broken process left all sorts of log and event files scattered across my SSD and I provided them to MS, who were unable to determine the cause.
The really interesting thing for me is that the image that ate itself happens to run on the same hardware as another W10 image. I have 2 licensed copies of Windows and I use a "drive bay" to swap different bootable drives in to the same hardware. So when I upgraded the "other" image on the same platform, I was surprised to see the upgrade generate a completely different set of errors.
The biggest configuration difference between these two builds is that I use one for gaming and one for office work. Although both had the latest nVidia drivers on board, the gaming build used nVidia desktop "Surround" to create a single workspace of 5760x1200, whilst the office build just treated the display space as 3 connected monitors.
The most frustrating thing is that the feedback I was getting from the triage team who helped me (they were all volunteers and they were all excellent) was that MS had been shipping code they knew to have multiple bugs and issues in it. The problem they were having in triage was that there were *so many* bugs, it was proving next to impossible to narrow down to a specific fault.
Nadella might have turned around Microsoft's economic slide into oblivion, but his governance of the technical robustness of his company's products is, sadly, non-existent. Worse for me, both of these W10 licenses were for new-build hardware; I had no older licenses that I could grandfather in, so I'm out of pocket over £400 and have 2 systems [one box] that I simply don't trust to work reliably when MS push updates. If it were a case of "free but buggy or purchased but robust", I'd take "purchased but robust" every time. What I've actually got is "purchased but buggy". The most offensive thing is: Microsoft's actions - their continued pushing of buggy code, when there are NO COMMERCIAL DRIVERS FOR DOING SO is just plain offensive.
I wish they would just stop. Produce zero new features until ALL the bugs are squashed.
There's a reason I'm writing this post whilst running Mint Linux - and it's because I'm not trusting Windows at the moment. If I don't need to go back to Windows, I won't. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the triage volunteers over there, but Microsoft the company really don't care. That stinks.
Re:May have happened with the previous update (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:May have happened with the previous update (Score:5, Insightful)
During the April update this year, I had 3 W10 installations to get through the process. None of them worked, although one in particular went spectacularly wrong and wiped out files on the system's hidden boot partition, basically resulting in the system attempting to reboot and crashing out. There was no choice left but to perform a clean installation, then let that fresh image update.
In all my years of using Linux, 20 now, I have never once been forced to do a reinstall. I actually have one system that was continuously upgraded from Debian potato in 2003 through to Stretch today and is still running, having worked its way through three or four hard disks, one of which was a head crash salvaged by ddrescue. Some of the version upgrades were a little exciting in the old days in the sense that manual intervention was sometimes required even to the point of hand editing apt db files. It pretty much just automagically worked for the last dozen years or so, e.g., edit sources.list from Stretch to Buster, apt update then apt dist-upgrade.
I guess Windows users have a hard time imagining anything so reliable. BTW, the longest uptime for that server was about three years at one point. And it was 32 bit all that time, still is. Finally migrated all the services to a NUC running 64 bit Debian, but that old system, a Pentium M, is still running as a storage backup server. It runs KDE by the way, for the rare occasions I hook a monitor to it. Works perfectly well, that's something for the Gnome trolls to meditate on. Today, that machine is probably less powerful than my thermostat.
Use --metadata=1.0 on the boot partition (Score:5, Interesting)
Raid on the boot partition "just works", reliably no matter what, if you use mdadm --metadata=1.0 when you create it
What that does is put the raid metadata at the end of the device. Anything that isn't raid-aware (your bios) just sees a standard filesystem, and doesn't care about the other parititions or whatever else comes AFTER the filesystem. Once the kernel launches and starts mounting filesystems, it session the raid metadata and treats it as raid.
That works because the things that don't understand raid, such as your bios, only read the data, they don't write to it. Therefore there's no worries about writing the same thing to both copies. It's only written to after the raid is mounted.
If you test that out, check to see if both drives are marked as bootable in the partition table.
If both are already marked bootable, you're good to go.
If they aren't currently and you change that, making that change could change which drive ends up being called sda.
If they aren't currently both bootable and you do not mark the other one bootable, you'd need to do so if the bootable drive fails.
Avoids mistakes, for one (Score:2)
With the super block at the begining, you can't accidentally mount one component device rather than the array, therefore throwing the array out of sync. It's normally a mistake to do that, so it's good to make it not easy to do by accident. If you want to mount a filesystem that starts at an offset into the device, you have to do that *on purpose*. That's one reason it's not the default for mdadm.
For installation scripts, it's a good idea to do that on /boot only by default.
Just use LTSB (Score:5, Informative)
If you have to use Windows 10, use the LTSB version. No Windows Store, no Edge, no Cortana, no platform updates, security updates only with minimal telemetry.
Microsoft don't want you to know about LTSB and do their best to hide its existence, but it's really what Windows 10 Pro should have been.
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It's also not capable of running Visual Studio 2017 while even Windows 7 can. No deal.
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Microsoft don't want you to know about LTSB and do their best to hide its existence, but it's really what Windows 10 Pro should have been.
Microsoft is doing its best to discourage using it even for normal servers, probably the biggest is that there will be no new hardware support so you can't run one version for your enterprise. It's really targeted at embedded systems and such, though I agree something like that minus domain support would be a great consumer OS. Too bad that won't happen.
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"minimal telemetry."
I'm confused, "minimal telemetry" implies some telemetry, which is significantly more than the "zero telemetry" the OS requires to function, in which case it isn't minimal.
Maybe "slightly less telemetry" would have been a better choice of words.
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No Windows Store, no Edge, no Cortana, no platform updates,
You left out the most important bit: No option to legally obtain it.
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I don't think your advice is generally applicable: "LTSB is a licensing option for Windows 10 Enterprise and is available only for customers with a Volume License agreement."
http://www.techproresearch.com... [techproresearch.com]
The ads are the product with a free OS (Score:3)
Surveillance capitalism (Score:1)
Surveillance capitalism doesn't care about the distinction between free and rented. They're going to grab your metadata anyway, because that's where the value is.
This is really an abstraction of a power relationship. You get data-harevested because you're just a dumb subject. The surveillance capitalists get to harvest you because FUCK YOU we're in charge.
No surprise (Score:1)
When a company has a monopoly, this is what happens. They maximize their price and then, usually later, start cutting every corner possible to minimize cost.
And when it comes to programming projects, based on my long experience at the hands of managers at various companies, I'm sure I know at least part of what's contributing to this MS mess: There's a very long-running cultural bias among managers, particularly the less experienced ones, against spending resources on testing. I've seen this play out time
A larger systemic issue, already in Win 10 beta (Score:3, Insightful)
These problems have existed for well over 2 years now. Back in the beginning it was that files would appear again after having been deleted, or the trashcan not emptying.
Just a few months ago, one day after reinstalling Windows 10, all apps and programs installed in the last day disappeared, with no notice or any kind of error being reported.
These things shouldn't happen by themselves, so I suspect there's a lot more control under the hood for Microsoft, to literally remove, add, or edit your files or documents, and now a larger systemic issue makes this functionality fail and people see their files go missing.
If you are doing any kind of crucial or sensitive work, you would do well in consider switching away from Windows. Not just because files could go missing, but because of how seemingly Microsoft has access to your sensitive files.
Guess I'm sticking with Win8.1 and classic shell (Score:4, Interesting)
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I'd be concerned that nainstream status for Windows 8 ended on January 1, 2018. While you can get extended support for years longer, I'd not expect mainstream software releases to be thoroughly tested or necessarily compatible with it.
Re:Guess I'm sticking with Win8.1 and classic shel (Score:4, Insightful)
I'd be concerned that nainstream status for Windows 8 ended on January 1, 2018. While you can get extended support for years longer, I'd not expect mainstream software releases to be thoroughly tested or necessarily compatible with it.
Not getting updates from Windows is a security plus.
Seriously, I have had more problems with machines being rendered malfunctioning, files deleted, drivers renamed on Windows 10 than I have had in my entire life.
Windows 10 updates are a worse virus than any blackhat virus.
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Windows 8.1 is not Windows 8! 8.1 is supported till January 2023.
Unimaginably horrible code base (Score:2)
It just makes me shudder to think how unimaginably horrible the Windows 10 code base must have become to let a grade school bug like that through to production. What the hell! Did they lather a bunch of cloud pollution on top of the local file APIs to the point where nobody can read or understand their code any more? And on top of that, roughly zero regression testing? Do any adults remain at Microsoft?
Needless to say, Linux will not do that to you. Something about the Unix philosophy.
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Which of those deleted your files?
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I detect a troll.
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As a project, Systemd is a hungry obnoxious octopus, but as a system its decently modular. Not a huge fan, but it has given me almost no trouble, and when I did go in to customize it to my tastes, like adding rc.local, it was a straightforward learning experience without follow-on maintainability issues.
Missing option (Score:1)
Either tests do not exist at all for this code (and I've been told that yes, it's permitted to integrate code without tests, though I would hope this isn't the norm), or test failures are being regarded as acceptable, non-blocking issues, and developers are being allowed to integrate code that they know doesn't work properly...
Third option: Microsoft has tests, but not one that would discover this particular issue. Failure to consider all possible test cases is not itself evidence that there aren't any tests, and it's not evidence that the company ships known failure cases.
"new development process"? (Score:3)
reads to me like nothing has changed in their processes for more than 30 years.
Unfettered piece of manure (Score:3)
For reasons unknown, Windows in it's infinite wisdom, went through all of the audio drivers, and renamed them the with one of the driver's name, with a number appended to them. Then after deleting and reinstalling the drivers, continued to rename them incorrectly
The problem is so whacked that the company I bought the equipment and software from did a Teamviewer session with me to show how to fix the problem. Explaining would have taken all day.
Which I suspect is fixing it until the next update. In the meantime, I'm going through the computer to see what else they screwed up.
This is not a matter of running in VMs, or performing arcane tricks to disable updates.
This is a matter of a company so incompetent that their updates are an attack upon it's customers. Attacks so nasty that malicious virus writers must be in awe.
Where an old operating system like W7 is more secure because it doesn't get updates.
Meanwhile, I've switched everything except that one laptop to Linux or MacOS. Where any update that screws the OS will be the first.
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Where an old operating system like W7 is more secure because it doesn't get updates.
Just purchased a prebuilt refurbished box that always come preinstalled with Windows. I activate Windows and get it working, then pull and replace it with a Linux boot. This way in a couple of years I can put the Windows drive back and sell it or give it away. They still had Windows 7 boxes. The same box with Windows 10 pro cost $20 less. I chose to pay the $20.
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They still had Windows 7 boxes. The same box with Windows 10 pro cost $20 less. I chose to pay the $20.
Wise move. Windows 10 is a liability, worse than most viruses.
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Do you remember back when Microsoft first offered updating drivers as well as security fixes? Way way back when? Yeah. They sucked then too and common wisdom was to uncheck updating drivers. Unfortunately, we can't do that anymore and here we are.
I use Linux exclusively anymore. I do have dual boot and I boot into Windows every now and then to run updates on it, but I do all of my gaming, coding, etc in Linux. I would do OpenBSD instead, but gaming is important enough to me to leave me on Linux instead. Cur
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Do you remember back when Microsoft first offered updating drivers as well as security fixes? Way way back when? Yeah. They sucked then too and common wisdom was to uncheck updating drivers. Unfortunately, we can't do that anymore and here we are.
Yup. I just found two new drivers it renamed. 20 damned drivers so far.
I use Linux exclusively anymore. I do have dual boot and I boot into Windows every now and then to run updates on it, but I do all of my gaming, coding, etc in Linux. I would do OpenBSD instead, but gaming is important enough to me to leave me on Linux instead.
Linux or any Unixy OS is the way to go. BSD is obviously great, but there's your games. After my wife refused to use her Windows computer, I put Mint on it. She hasn't looked back, and she's barely computer literate. 100 percent uptime for her. I was Windows free until 2016 when I bought a piece of equipment that only had Windows software. Fortunately there is a version for MacOS now, and a really good version of the software for iOS (w
This type of bugs (Score:1)
This type of bugs only show that Windows OS is a spaghetti code, no matter how many pictures they draw with layers, blocks and modules, they don't follow these.The code is all over the place and touching something breaks something else which looks like unrelated.
The Result of Laying Off Your QA Team? (Score:2)
A couple years ago, Microsoft made a big deal of laying off their QA team as they were to be replaced by automated testing. Now, I am a big fan of automated testing, but not as a replacement for qualified QA professionals. User acceptance testing and thinking outside the box are very difficult if not impossible to accomplish with only automated tests.
Windows 10 is not the only piece of software that Microsoft has been releasing of late with questionable quality. Microsoft Teams is a joke with massive UI
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Without reviewing this type of research, it's easy to assume that unit testing could be good enough or close to good enough, in reality it's one of the least va
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Now, I am a big fan of automated testing, but not as a replacement for qualified QA professionals.
You need QA professionals to write automated tests.
Others (Score:2)
Apple shipped hardware if you hold it wrong, the cell radio doesn't function.
Google shipped a web browser with a broken DNS resolver that would wait 60 seconds to timeout before resolving a DNS entry (imaging browsing the web at only 1 page per minute).
These are just some quick examples off the top of my head, but the list is extremely long. But Microsoft is getting a scalable unfair reputation in comparison to the other companies for fucking up just as bad.
Hell, I'm on a Google Pixel phone right now. The h
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Apple shipped hardware if you hold it wrong, the cell radio doesn't function.
Seriously, you just defended Windows fuckups.
What the fuck kind of asshole defends Windows deleting files, rendering computers inoperative, and renaming drivers so that they fail with stupid fucking Apple's antenna problem?
Are you stupid, being [paid by Microsoft to make retarded comments, or what?
Whataboutism of your level is only effective with peopel weho are as stupid as you.
We need a -5 troll mod.
Oh my (Score:3)
"Either tests do not exist at all for this code (and I've been told that yes, it's permitted to integrate code without tests, though I would hope this isn't the norm)"
Oh my, so so so so much to unpack in that one sentence.
The fact that this bug got shipped should tell you a lot, and none of it's good.
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"Either tests do not exist at all for this code (and I've been told that yes, it's permitted to integrate code without tests, though I would hope this isn't the norm)"
Oh my, so so so so much to unpack in that one sentence.
The fact that this bug got shipped should tell you a lot, and none of it's good.
Remember though, there are bigger problems according to darting - iPhone antennas.
You can always move your hand, perhaps The almighty asses from Redmond can wave their hands, and all will be well again.