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IE 11 Breaks Rendering For Google Products, and Outlook Too 231

Posted by timothy
from the when-bugs-escape dept.
An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from The Register: "The Windows 8.1 rollout has hit more hurdles: the new version 11 of Internet Explorer that ships with the operating system does not render Google products well and is also making life difficult for users of Microsoft's own Outlook Web Access webmail product. The latter issue is well known: Microsoft popped out some advice about the fact that only the most basic interface to the webmail tool will work back in July. It seems not every sysadmin got the memo and implemented Redmond's preferred workarounds, but there are only scattered complaints out there, likely because few organisations have bothered implementing Windows 8.1 yet." Also from the article: "Numerous reports suggest that IE 11 users can once again enjoy access to all things Google if they un-tick the IE 11 option to 'Use Microsoft Compatibility lists.'" And here's Microsoft KB work around.
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IE 11 Breaks Rendering For Google Products, and Outlook Too

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  • by Kazoo the Clown (644526) on Monday October 21, 2013 @02:09AM (#45185867)
    I would say that Google web interfaces should not be the standard by which browsers should be evaluated, I've found they work badly in a lot of circumstances. Then again, the Hotmail website does too, so Microsoft is also pretty bad at depending on the quirky characteristics of its favorite browsers. I avoid Google UIs as much as I can, preferring to use alternative interfaces where available, simply because they are so poorly designed. While Google does some good things, the Ui has never been Google's strong suit.
  • Re:Known workaround (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gl4ss (559668) on Monday October 21, 2013 @02:19AM (#45185897) Homepage Journal

    "Numerous reports suggest that IE 11 users can once again enjoy access to all things Google if they un-tick the IE 11 option to âoeUse Microsoft Compatibility lists." ...what kind of shit is this? they put googles sites on compatibility list that's a break-the-sites list??

  • I'd worry about this (Score:4, Interesting)

    by stoolpigeon (454276) * <bittercode@gmail> on Monday October 21, 2013 @02:22AM (#45185909) Homepage Journal

    I'd be happy if the update had left my wife's laptop usable at all. I can't complain about how IE renders sites in 8.1 because we can't get into the machine at all since we tried. I'm off to the Samsung service center tomorrow as there's no way I can find to get the system to boot without voiding the warranty.

  • by Todd Knarr (15451) on Monday October 21, 2013 @02:26AM (#45185933) Homepage

    After the state of IE10, I'm not surprised. I'm locked on IE9 because 10 isn't compatible with any of the webapps I need to access at work, ditto the Cisco SSL VPN software (I don't like browser-based VPNs, but I don't get to pick which VPN the company uses). At this point I can't afford to waste time experimenting with upgrading beyond 9, the compatibility issues are just too great for no perceptible gain (the best they could manage is to render Web pages as acceptably as 9 does, explain to me again why I'm wasting my time fighting to untangle compatibility issues to get back to where I started?).

  • Re:Severity (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AlphaWolf_HK (692722) on Monday October 21, 2013 @02:43AM (#45186017)

    Actually if you simply remove metro, Windows 8 is quite a marked improvement over 7 (mainly backend changes, but also some nifty things like being able to open an administrative shell to the current directory in explorer without the need for adding registry tweaks, in addition to the copy dialog box being probably the best of any OS I've seen to date in how it shows progress.) Fortunately you can do exactly that, though MS doesn't approve.

  • Re: What changed? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Yaur (1069446) on Monday October 21, 2013 @03:25AM (#45186139)
    Unfortunately no, we still have to do it due to issues with Microsoft's CORS implementation... if you look at the workaround (uncheck use compatibility list) it seems even more unclear if this is a MS or Google problem.
  • Re:What changed? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Xest (935314) on Monday October 21, 2013 @03:38AM (#45186187)

    Microsoft's own Dreamspark site (which is relatively simple) didn't work for me in IE11 the other day either. It was just things that should be straightforward in any browser, like clicking a button and having something download, or submit a form when I tried to update my user details, but no, in IE11, clicking said buttons just did nothing.

    I had to use Firefox to download Microsoft's server OS and development tools.

    That strikes me as a rather glaring problem.

    I'm not sure I blame IE11 though, I can't fathom the kind of idiocy that results in creation of buttons on a webpage that do something so fancy in the background that it can actually not perform a simple action like submit a form or trigger a download. I'd expect any software company nowadays especially Microsoft to have at least some basic competence in web development including an understanding of making things like browser buttons work in a simple cross-browser compatible manner, but it seems not.

  • Re:Severity (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21, 2013 @03:42AM (#45186201)

    How do you "remove metro"? It keeps rearing its ugly head, and some functionality seems to have migrated to it.

    He means that you should spend money on the expensive Operating System you already wasted a bunch of money by buying Stardock's ModernMix [stardock.com] product.

    ModernMix replaces the Metro shell and hosts all the craptastic Metro programs in normal windows on the normal desktop.

    The fact that you have to buy third party software to get something which should have been the default Out of the Box Experience is one of the many reasons not to use Win8 ever.

    Hopefully Balmers replacement will either backtrack on this and remove the Metro UI from the desktop or they'll just run Microsoft into the ground of irrelevancy. Either way works for me.

  • by sosume (680416) on Monday October 21, 2013 @04:33AM (#45186351) Journal

    Gmail has been constantly giving me javascript errors for months now. In Chrome, always latest build. So having a Google product yield errors isn't that unexpected.
    "SyntaxError: Unexpected token https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/u/0/#inbox:1"

  • IE ? don't bother (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tom (822) on Monday October 21, 2013 @04:39AM (#45186371) Homepage Journal

    It seems not every sysadmin got the memo and implemented Redmond's preferred workarounds

    I stopped bothering with IE-specific quirks many years ago. If it can't render a standard-compliant page, then use a different browser for all I care. In fact, one of may sites catches IE users and tells them that much. And lo and behold, it works, on that site IE has dropped to #4 or #5 in the browser stats, consistently. Yes, Safari is more popular, and in good months, Opera.

    Stop tolerating assholes and they just might go away, but it's a community effort.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21, 2013 @04:41AM (#45186377)

    They did that with Opera previously on Microsoft.Com webpages. Totally broken rendering with frames sticking out and so on. If you changed Opera's browser identification string to Explorer, Opera rendered the pages intended for Explorer just fine.

    So it looks like this time they are fucking up rendering gratuitously from the other side. Instead of maliciously delivering garbage HTML to browsers they don't like, they display garbage in their browser from websites they don't like.

    Business as usual.

  • by Bronster (13157) <slashdot@brong.net> on Monday October 21, 2013 @04:43AM (#45186391) Homepage

    Have you tried FastMail? We updated the web UI today to make it work more efficiently on small screens (phones and the like), and it has a fairly complete keyboard shortcut set.

    http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/21/faster-than-native-introducing-fastmails-new-mobile-web-interface/ [fastmail.fm]

    Free trial, but definitely paid. You're the customer with us, not the product.

  • by Gravis Zero (934156) on Monday October 21, 2013 @05:39AM (#45186551)

    before you think it, i'm no MS shill, i use Linux and only Linux. that said, the MSIE team is doing it right this time with IE11.

    while many people here are slamming on the basis of standards compliance, there is something you should know: it's broken because they are striving standards compliance.

    as we all know, there are plenty of MSIE exclusive ways of doing things in the DOM [webplatform.org] and render hacks that have had to be done so you end up with code that has "browser detection" to apply browser specific hacks. MSIE is making a clean break from all of that. so all those IE only apps like Outlook Web App will now fail because all the IE specific stuff has been removed. they went so far as to remove "MSIE" from their user agent string to prevent any old code from detecting it as Internet Explorer.

    IE10 user agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/6.0)
    IE11 user agent string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Trident/7.0; rv 11.0) like Gecko

    so while it seems to have growing pains, as far as IE goes, IE11 is a step in the right direction.

    some nice differences:

    Deprecation of file:// based Proxy configuration scripts
    Deprecation of document modes

    Deprecated VBScript in IE11 mode pages
    navigator.plugins -- now a supported extensibility point <-- ironically chrome is removing this support
    ActiveX now behaves like a navigator plugin. [microsoft.com]
    Silverlight plugin is not installed by default (they got Netflix to support HTML5 [netflix.com] via Encrypted Media Extensions [w3.org] aka DRM in the HTML5 spec)

    more info:
    http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2013/07/02/internet-explorer-11-dont-call-me-ie/ [nczonline.net]
    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/archive/2013/09/24/internet-explorer-11-changelist-change-log.asp [msdn.com]

  • Re:What changed? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by VortexCortex (1117377) <`VortexCortex' ` ... -retrograde.com'> on Monday October 21, 2013 @06:30AM (#45186657)

    a simple cross-browser compatible manner

    Ah, well you see, I write cross browser code, that doesn't run in IE.

    I specifically code some of my HTML5 heavy stuff to not work on certain versions of IE. It's as easy as just not ever checking if the code will run in IE. I do the same thing for Chrome and Firefox and Safari and Opera -- all other browsers; Not checking but in a single browser. That's all it takes to make sure it runs in everything, no problem... Except IE. If folks want to use my stuff they get to use a different browser, IE is dead to me. I really can't hold it against even Microsofties themselves for taking revenge on their own software after IE6.

    IE is purposefully a waste of time, unlike every other browser on the planet. I'm done wasting my time with that shit, it takes so much less time for folks to actually use a different browser vs me break my shit for multiple versions of IE that it doesn't make sense for me to do that -- It's bad for everyone involved, just makes the problem worse. I'm excluding some Market share? Fine. I can put out THREE TIMES the content for what it takes to make shit work with IE.

    Additionally, if I make my stuff work with IE, then I'll also have to deal with the kind of folks who still use IE... Nope!

  • Re:Severity (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gnasher719 (869701) on Monday October 21, 2013 @08:17AM (#45187019)

    ... Which affect the 5 people who are actually using Windows 8. The entire interface is an unmitigated disaster. DOSSHELL looked prettier and was more functional than Windows 8. The OS has multiple personality disorder and the interface looks like it was gang-banged by Crayola. Nobody wants to touch it even with a 10 foot pole. :/

    Yesterday, I had the "pleasure" of trying to help some people who were using Windows 8 and hated, hated, hated it. After about ten seconds I knew why. So far everybody getting hold of my MacBook has just used it. Windows 8 hides the UI. You can't do things unless you know how to. You can't figure out how to do things. It's just impossible. The bloody start page with its tiles just want sit still for a second. All the time things are changing, so it's impossible to concentrate on anything. Their most pressing question was how to have two different windows in the browser so you can look at two different things (nobody knew which browser it was and I couldn't find out). Took me ages and a web search to find out how to get at browser tabs. Two reasonably intelligent people who are not computer geeks just couldn't figure it out. From the UI, I wouldn't have figured it out.

    And again, so far _everybody_ has been able to use my MacBook with Safari without any problems. Including four year olds and some people who are usually quite clueless.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21, 2013 @09:24AM (#45187531)

    Chrome and Safari claim to be "Mozilla/5.0" also. There's a reason for this that is probably older than you are. I suggest reading the history about user-agent stings and the earliest browser wars and how this predates Internet Explorer.

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