JotForm.com Gets Shut Down SOPA-Style 188
itwbennett writes "In a post on the company blog, JotForm.com cofounder Aytekin Tank alerts users that 'a US government agency has temporarily suspended' the jotform.com domain. He explains that it is part of an 'ongoing investigation' of content posted to its site by a user. Although which user and what content haven't yet been disclosed, there is speculation about forms used for a phishing attack on a South African bank. JotForm hosts over two million user-generated forms, and uses software to block fraudulent accounts (65,000 so far), so you can see there's plenty of opportunity for mischief."
People need to move their domains (Score:5, Insightful)
away from the authority of a shoot first ask questions later country.
Least Intrusive? (Score:5, Insightful)
In cases like this, blocking the domain name is so obviously the opposite of "least intrusive", I wonder if they have grounds to prosecute under 18 US 242. I know I would consider it, if this were done to me or my company.
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Re:Least Intrusive? (Score:5, Informative)
If their rights were violated, they have grounds. Period. But actually prosecuting is another matter of course. Even so, 242 is used every year, and the conviction rate is very high. Much higher than most kinds of criminal prosecution.
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You're understanding is nice in theory but utterly failed to the nth degree in reality.
I mean, who the heck thinks of using a chainsaw to go through the front door of a house. It's not even a fast or effective way. A sledgehammer is far more efficient.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/31/fbi-uses-chainsaw-in-raid-on-wrong-fitchburg-apartment/ [cbslocal.com]
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You missed the whole point of my post. Yes, abuses happen. But when they do, it is not only the right but the duty of the victim to sue and/or prosecute if they can. If they do not, they do everyone else a disservice.
242 is a good law, and unlike most others of its kind it has teeth.
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Any reason that you think this shutdown has anything to do with:
Otherwise 18 USC 242 has no application here.
Incorrect. (Score:3)
There is an "or" in there that makes all the difference. What it actually says is:
"... or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens..."
So it actually applies to:
"... the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States"
OR to:
"... different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens..."
So it's deprivation of rights OR discrimination. And while IANAL, I have looked up cases and that is how the court has consistently interpreted it.
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Here is what it actually says:
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"I'm not going to get into a debate about parsing that one sentence."
I'm not either. I don't have to. Instead, I just looked up what the COURTS have to say about it. And they interpret it the way I stated.
I'm not debating, I'm simply stating facts.
This ruin business with a quickness (Score:5, Insightful)
Even if the owners are not guilty of negligence, which it appears they are not (65K forms removed), this sort of arbitrary, no-warrant, no-subpoena, no due-process can absolutely ruin a business.
There is no way the Feds can make up for this; CIO's will say, "Well, I guess we shouldn't use them - we might not have access to our data."
Re:This ruin business with a quickness (Score:5, Interesting)
Put your business in the cloud. (Score:5, Interesting)
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When I first heard 'cloud' in the context of computing I assumed something along the lines of encrypted and distributed storage like a large Tahoe LAFS network. This could be a very good way of keeping your data up.
Imagine my shock when I learned that cloud meant passing control of critical elements of your web presence to some third party and paying for the privilege. Perhaps 'lobotomy' would be a better term than 'cloud'.
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copyrights and patents - tools of totalitarianism (Score:2)
Copyrights, patents and all other government regulations and money counterfeiting and taxes and laws and wars that go beyond what the authorised by the people via the Constitution to the government are all tools of the totalitarianism.
Sure, YOU may believe that some of what government is pushing is good, so YOU may believe that there is a line that will not be crossed, and you will get something for nothing from the government. You think that government will stop its abuse of power once that abuse helps YOU
Reasonable Cause (Score:2)
Re:Reasonable Cause (Score:5, Insightful)
Without warrant, due process or subpoena - on an anonymous accusation alone - their business was probably just ruined. Because a cloud company that loses it's reputation as a stable data location is DOA.
If one has reasonable cause, the next step is to get a court order. The above linked articles indicate that it is extremely unlikely that such was done.
Furthermore, the linked articles state that the business in question has, on their own initiative, taken down 65K bad forms.
There may have been something amiss with some of their customer's data, but there is no way in hell that this was the appropriate response. There is no way that taking down this site without due process prevented a nuclear or biological attack, or any other 24-esque scenario.
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There is "probable cause", but there doesn't appear to be real probable cause in this case.
Or rather: there may have been probably cause to take down some sites or investigate some users. But shut down the whole domain? Hell no. Unless the majority of users were committing crimes there COULD NOT BE "reasonable cause".
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Probable cause, reasonable suspicion, yes I didn't get the term right, but you got the point.
but there doesn't appear to be real probable cause in this case
Really? How do you know that? We don't know why the Feds asked to have the domain unavailable for two days.
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What "search"? Unless I misunderstood the story, the Feds contacted the site's registrar (GoDaddy) and asked for it to be shut down. The website's database was obviously hosted someplace else as the JotForm registered jotform.net and pointed it to their host, putting their entire database back online.
No surprise (Score:4, Informative)
Go Daddy has a history of pulling registrations without notification to domain owners. Remember seclists.org and familyalbum.com? Those domains were redirected because of third party complaints. The complaints were not even made by law enforcement. The GoDaddy TOS expressly allows them to suspend service at their discretion and they do it at the first sign of trouble.
I'm not defending GoDaddy in the least, but people doing business with them should be aware of their history and policies.
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I'm not defending GoDaddy at all, either.
My one and only experience with them was an issue a client had with GoDaddy not putting the DNS records on correctly, even though they had been set correctly in the control panels. Now I have had this experience with other domain registrars, too. But in the case of GoDaddy, they just would not fix it because they appear to have the attitude that they don't want to communicate with their customers. I had a somewhat similar problem with Gandi a few months ago, and w
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Had I been a GoDaddy user, then at least I could have changed registrar when they showed their stupidity by endorsing SOPA.
I'm not defending GoDaddy at all (see a pattern here?), but how was that a stupid move? They specifically made sure that they were exempt from SOPA, so it would have gotten them a competitive advantage.
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They are bad actors, plain and simple.
I never heard of jotform.com before (Score:2)
So I can only hope that maybe this news gets them more noticed to compensate them for the losses incurred as a result of a domain registrar and/or US agency (allegedly the Secret Service) that fits somewhere between malicious or stupid (depending on which way Hanlon's Razor [wikipedia.org] swings). Unfortunately, the service they provide seems to be more oriented to small businesses rather than to the geeks that would be reading this at Slashdot and other techie sources.
And we needed SOPA why? (Score:2)
The content industry claimed that we needed SOPA/PIPA to take down these horrible sites or they'd lose millions upon billions upon trillions and zombies would rise from the grave (or some such... I tend to lose track of their doomsday scenarios if Technology X isn't stopped). We don't have SOPA and yet MegaUpload and JotForm.com were taken down just fine. This is, of course, putting aside whether or not MegaUpload or JotForm *SHOULD* have been taken down. Clearly, though, they have the capability to take
Re:And we needed SOPA why? (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously, they need SOPA to force other registrars to do what GoDaddy happily does without question.
Google has this problem with their forms, too. (Score:5, Informative)
It's not just JotForms. Google is now the leading site being exploited to host phishing pages. [sitetruth.com] Google has reasonable defenses against phishing for their "sites" product. However, Google doesn't seem to have those protections on their document and spreadsheet products. Here's a fake login form hosted by Google. [googlegroups.com] That's been up since 2010. Here's a fake login page hosted as a Google spreadsheet. [google.com] Google allows unlimited HTML in a spreadsheet, which means it can be abused in this way. We have a full list, if anyone is interested.
"formbuddy.com" and "surveymonkey.com" [surveymonkey.com] can also be abused in this way. Formbuddy seems to kick phishing pages off quickly. Surveymonkey, not so good at this.
If you offer free hosting, and don't have aggressive anti-phishing controls in place, you will be pwned.
From .com to .net (Score:2)
Could happen to almost any site or cloud service (Score:2)
It's not uncommon for sites to get hacked (one every 3.5 seconds is the current rate), and in some cases this is so they can host a phishing form (which is why the US government took down JotForm.com).
Given this draconian approach to removing some phishing forms, and given that's it's tough to completely stop hackers, it's clear that this could happen to any site, or to cloud services that host your content under a shared domain (maybe even Tumblr or Pinterest).
The only protection is not to host sites with
Desperate times, desperate measures (Score:3)
It might look like cruel move, but in these times fast reaction like this is the only way to protect the artists. Of course, these filthy pirates are now crying all kinds of bullshit like that they didn't host files but forms, but we all know that the site was used mainly for piracy.
No court order (Score:3)
Take note of this: "...the Secret Service still isn't talking, returning a bland and meaningless statement to press requests: 'We are aware of the incident and we're reviewing it internally to make sure all the proper procedures and protocols were followed.' "
When the company contacted the Secret Service, asking why their site was down, "the agent told me she is busy and she asked for my phone number, and told me they will get back to me within this week".
To date they still have no explanation and no court order concerning the take-down of their site. Even if there were a court order, there is zero reason not to contact the business and provide them a chance to cushion the effects for their legitimate customers. This sort of behavior is irresponsible. Clearly, court orders, due process and formal procedures are for wimps, not the elite *drum roll* Secret Service.
I hope JotForm can afford to file a court case over this. This sort of thing can do immense damage to a company's reputation, and someone in the Secret Service needs a slap upside the head.
In any case, as others have observed, any serious Internet company needs to avoid all TLDs controlled in the USA. Sure, register a .com address, but use it to forward to your real site, hosted under a different TLD - and make it clear to users that the non-.com TLD is the correct one.
Unrelated to the Internet, but nonetheless relevant: About 10 years ago I was with a small European company that was marketing a new ERP system to small companies. Our attorney told us flat-out: do not sell to anyone in the USA. The legal system is so screwed that it just isn't worth the risk - the laws are impossible, the customers sue at the drop of the hat, etc, etc. To underscore this, any sort of legal or liability insurance we looked at specifically excluded coverage for business transacted with US customers. It appears that things have only gotten worse...
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:5, Insightful)
A lot of people haven't heard of Slashdot. Would that make it right if it were taken offline on the arbitrary say-so of some government functionary?
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's not say "some government" when it's always the US government.
Please mark .com as depreciated.
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I think you meant deprecated, and .com is not the only one.
It's always the US government because the US government is in complete control over the DNS for the entire planet. If that is what you mean by shut down.
As for blocking, not only the US government does that. It is immensely popular in a lot of countries to do so, and most notably, TPB is being blocked by BREIN recently.
If anything the current DNS system, along with the root servers, needs to be marked as deprecated and replaced with something else
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It's always the US government because the US government is in complete control over the DNS for the entire planet
that's just what Americans want the rest of the world to think
http://www.isoc.org/briefings/020/ [isoc.org]
http://www.root-servers.org/ [root-servers.org]
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:4, Insightful)
Let's not say "some government" when it's always the US government.
Which government do you mean? The grand and glorious one of "We The People" or the one pwned by 1%?
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:4, Informative)
Here, let me introduce you to regulatory capture [wikipedia.org].
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So that would be pretty much the entire government of the US (and Canada where I live) then?
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Mostly just the conservatives. They've been trying to reenact Laisseiz-Faire ever since the 1930s when we threw that broken shit out for causing a depression.
Fast-forward to now: they caused another depression (by repealing Glass-Steagall in 1998 and removing most of the other regs when George Dumbya Shrub and the republican congress were doing things unchecked 2001-2007), and they're currently trying to blame the depression they caused on the black guy.
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and they're currently trying to blame the depression they caused on the black guy.
To be fair, having a black president and having our credit rating subsequently drop doesn't exactly help Obama's case.
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Except that the credit rating agency explicitly said that the reason they reduced the credit rating was because of the grandstanding Republicans did against raising the national debt limit.
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JotForm now seems to work from Canada.
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Let's not say "some government" when it's always the US government.
Please mark .com as depreciated.
I don't know, the UK seems to be getting into shutting down websites too.
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:5, Insightful)
Goddamn right.
I'm a U.S. citizen, and I'm so fucking sick and tired of the shit my government is doing lately, particularly this shit. Since we obviously can't vote our way out of this crap (since all players are bought long before they even get their fucking name on a ballot), what's next? Half the people in this country don't even care that their rights are being shit upon and just want to go watch NASCAR or Keeping Up With the Kardashians. The rest are split between the people that still have faith in their government (although I can't see how, not anymore) and those that think the whole fucking thing is FUBAR and gave up long ago.
This country is going to end up in civil war again. If I were a foreign business that had any type of connection to the United States, I would get the fuck out ASAP.
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:5, Insightful)
This country is going to end up in civil war again.
Probably not. I doubt one region of the country is so enamored with the federal government that it would be willing to take up arms and battle the rest of the nation to defend it. The first civil war was fought over states rights, among other things, and there was a pretty clear line between the industrial north and the agricultural south. Our present day issues are not so much a battle of conflicting ideologies and regional economies, but the increasing oppressiveness and financial abuse of the common man by the ruling elite. Yes, that old chestnut. So this is less likely to turn into another Civil War (or War Between the States, if you will), and more something resembling the American Revolution, if anything.
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Think again. I doubt enough people are so upset with the Federal government that they have a snowball's chance in hell of making any headway against it. So what's it going to look like? Orwell's "boot stomping on a human face, forever."
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They had to do some pretty disgusting things against the third that didn't care, the legislatures were controlled by the third that did care and there was somewhere for the third who didn't care to go.
Also there was a lot of money to be made by getting out of British domination. eg land speculators who were pissed at the tyrant wanting to treat all his subjects equally as well as the laws favouring the established British businesses. Some very articulate people with presses on the side of those who cared as
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Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:5, Interesting)
In some ways, I agree with your point.
But I've since re-imagined the War between the states since we had the "Tea Party" march on Washington so that Wall Street tycoons could get more tax breaks. Oh, and so that history books wouldn't bring up inconvenient facts of history about the founding fathers -- because delusional hero worship is so very healthy...
I now think that the South was NOT REALLY fighting for states rights. The Civil War was really a class war. The 1% who had slaves, wanted the rest of the workers who had to compete with slave labor to say; "Hey, you Northern oppressors -- we want to import cheap goods and not have to buy American, because we can't compete by selling good not made by slave labor."
The Slave Masters wanted everyone in the South to say; "WE are being harmed by the North economically" -- when really, slavery probably reduced wages for MOST Southerners.
>> So if there is another civil war -- it will be between the people fighting for the Common Good, and those people who are convinced that they are destined to be a CEO.
Parent is right: civil war was class war (Score:2)
Right on the money. I wish I had mod poin
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I know! I get so angry when....wait. Keeping Up With The Kardashians is still on the air?
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:5, Insightful)
That has nothing to do with the fact that an entire website was nuked off the face of the internet without any judicial oversight whatsoever.
If I get stopped and searched for no reason whatsoever, when the cop decides to let me go because he had no reason to stop me in the first place, should I just say "Well, he let me go, so all's well that end's well"? Come on. That's retarded.
There's a reason why we require court orders before police are just allowed to do whatever they fuck they want, and situations like this are precisely why.
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What happens if you say "I do not consent to a search of my person" - dont they have to provide just cause then?
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> Please mark .com as depreciated.
Depreciated, as in has lost value...
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A lot of people haven't heard of Slashdot. Would that make it right if it were taken offline on the arbitrary say-so of some government functionary?
Remember, this is the slashdot audience you are addressing - you could get answers of 'Yes', 'No', '[CENSORED]' or some reference to an old television show.
Agree, though, this is only a little island, like so many others. Were it suddenly to become known to certain flash-mob types it could suffer it's very own Slashdot Effect.
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Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:4, Insightful)
First they came for Julian Assange and Wikileaks. I didn't like Julian Assange or approve of Wikileaks' methods, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for MegaUpload. I'm not a computer pirate, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after JotForm. I hadn't even heard of JotForm, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after me and my blog. There was no one left to speak up....
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:4, Insightful)
And people wonder why we have a 2nd Amendment....
It's there to protect the 1st.
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:5, Funny)
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A government should fear it's people, a people should not fear it's government. I'll let you figure out where that paraphrasing comes from.
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:4, Insightful)
And way to quote Dick Analfroth, grandparent. What are we gonna do? March to the doors of the "government" and start shooting government employees because they handled an online identity theft case indelicately? Hint: before you start whipping your libertarian dick out, make sure there's a reason to, and maybe also make sure it's big enough that you won't be embarrassed.
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August 1-2, 1946, in Athens, Georgia. [wikipedia.org]
No, they broke into the local armory for their weapons.
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First they came for Julian Assange and Wikileaks. I didn't like Julian Assange or approve of Wikileaks' methods, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for MegaUpload. I'm not a computer pirate, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after JotForm. I hadn't even heard of JotForm, so I didn't speak up.
Then they came after me and my blog. There was no one left to speak up.
And then they kicked down my front door, and I had no way to tell anyone.
Re:Site that you've never heard of is shut down (Score:4, Insightful)
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This is news because it means that any cloud or SaaS site that businesses or non-profit orgs depend on can be shutdown with no recourse for the innocent users. This shows that it is not just users of file sharing sites like MegaUpload (that may live on the edge) that are in danger, but any site (with only the best intentions) but with many users,( some possibly violating the sites usage terms) is at risk. I for one used JotForms for several small sites where the application was not critical, but it could
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Re:FUD. (Score:5, Insightful)
A legitimate business was shut down globally for an unknown length of time because one of their customers was doing something wrong. Instead of working with the company to stop it like, oh, I don't know, every other internet business ever, they shot first and asked questions later.
It's the incompetence we've all come to expect from law enforcement that either don't understand or don't care about the consequences of their actions as soon as a computer's involved.
Re:FUD. (Score:5, Insightful)
A legitimate business was shut down globally for an unknown length of time because one of their customers was doing something wrong
Suppose someone used a Toyota automobile as getaway car after robbing a bank. Certainly you don't think that Toyota should be allowed to continue operating if their products are being used in this way?
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You know the MPAA takes down legit videos on YOUTUBE that do not even infringe on its content. Google admitted this but they were powerless to stop them or else they would sue and no longer would partner advertising with them.
This and other stories of the FBI simply taking servers with data on them from ISPs away and shutting down businesses whose lives depend on it is SCARY. You do not just take a factory away because someone might have smoked some weed in the parking lott. That business will be dead withi
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This would be like the cops shutting down an entire block of storage units because someone was storing illicit drugs in one of the units.
If this site was being used for phishing scams the right thing is to notify the owner of the site and ask them to remove the content in question (and to provide copies of that content to the appropriate law enforcement agency if necessary)
Re:FUD. (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought this was EXACTLY the worry that Facebook, Google, Wikimedia, etc. had. The worry was that a user posting "problem material" could get an entire site pulled without a court order. It looks like this is EXACTLY what happened here. (Though I am still unsure if a court order was made or not. It seems like there was no court order.)
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Can you please explain that statement with a car analogy?
Re:FUD. (Score:5, Insightful)
You drive a taxi for a living.
While carrying your passengers to an important meeting, you are pulled over. The officer takes the tires off your vehicle without telling you why, and only returns them when a large crowd of people start muttering and taking pictures.
Unfortunately, the same crowd also uses your taxi service - or used to, until they discovered that they cannot rely upon your ability to get them from point A to point B because J Random Law Enforcement Official might take your tires again, and they'd be stuck until he decided to give them back.
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And how many CIO's will say, pull our forms from them - we can't guarantee access to our data?
It just takes once to do massive damage to reputation. And for data management / cloud companies, reputation of perfect availability of a user's data is absolutely everything.
Lose that, and you're done.
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Not really. It's the same problem of law enforcement taking the kill 'em all and let God sort them out approach. They had the option of asking an apparently legitimate business to kill the few accounts that were a problem, but instead went directly to the nuclear option, exactly what SOPA sought to enable on a larger scale.
Re:FUD. (Score:5, Insightful)
BS!
They took down the whole domain, instead of the form(s) in question. They caused grief to some part of the up to 2 MILLION legitimate business users. The company made it clear they were fully willing to cooperate. Yet this agency just disregarded that and shut down the whole domain. Calling it SOPA-style may not be an exact comparison, but it is by the means SOPA is well know to have tried to advance ... by defying due process.
When the police close down a store due to a robbery, it is just that one store that is closed and this is done while the police are on scene actually investigating.
What actually happened would be the brick and mortar equivalent of the police having the store's electricity cut off (so they can't function), and their store front boarded up (so no one can see the store signs), and then when asked about why this is done, telling the store own they'll get around to looking into it in a few days.
It it only fortunate that jotform.com did have another domain name that this agency probably just didn't realize was usable. Given that they were able to activate the jotform.net domain, it's clear the actual servers were not seized. So there wasn't even an investigate (as in trying to look for other forms that may be at issue).
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Well, which is it? It sure looks more like malice to me. Now, will you argue I should follow Hanlon's razor and just attribute it to stupidity? It's one or the other.
Re:I hope... (Score:5, Informative)
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I'm glad I don't have my domains with with GoDaddy. But the company I do have them with sure seems risky, too. I need to find a better place for domains.
Re:I hope... (Score:5, Informative)
Looks like not.
Neither story covering it mentions a court order or a subpoena; one of them says that "it may have been done without a court order."
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/secret-service-asks-for-shutdown-of-legit-website-over-user-content-godaddy-complies.ars [arstechnica.com]
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/16/successful-online-startup-kicked-off-domain-without-stated-reason/ [rawstory.com]
Re:I hope... (Score:5, Informative)
Followup: relevant paragraphs:
And it all may have been done without a court order. ...
Note the two criteria: a court order or a notification from a prosecutor. That latter category amounts to an unproven allegation—and it's what Tank believes derailed him here. "No, as far as I know, there is no judge order," he told me. "They sent a request to GoDaddy and GoDaddy complied."
Re:I hope... (Score:5, Insightful)
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FUCK GODADDY. (Score:3)
The problem with ongoing investigations, particularly with international ongoing investigations, is that transparency can work against you in big ways. So I really think that the outrage at the US Federal Government is really kind of baseless at this point. They made a request and... Godaddy complied.
However, it's pretty goddamn clear GoDaddy doesn't give two shits about their customers. They should be ashamed of what they do.
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While it would have been The Right Thing To Do for GoDaddy to tell the Feds to go fsck themselves, when evaluating these situations, one should look at who has the power. That is the entity with whom the primary responsibility rests. Because that's the entity that has the ability to "make an offer that can't be refused."
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Because they may have had a warrant and it was for go daddy.
We don't know. I'm not an expert on international criminal law enforcement. Particularly with sophisticated phishing scams. I think it's a little off the rails to immediately blame the Feds investigating it. We as a culture have decided that hard facts are oppressive and innuendo and paranoia are comforting and I can't get behind that either.
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Perhaps this is why GoDaddy was a SOPA supporter. So they could have company policy codified into law.
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this is actually not that bad an idea for someone with less scruples than me... Anonymous? you listening to this?
i can imagine some /b/tard hacking scientology and posting CP...
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SOPA/PIPA would have allowed takedowns without due process.
Which is exactly what happened here.
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The issue is about the lack of due process. SOPA/PIPA just want to make due process totally defunct (without following the Constitutional amendment process).
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As pissed as I am about the anti Government freakout by the libertards on the internet, THIS is what SOPA would do. Unilateral shutdown of sites someone doesn't like.
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What evidence do you offer that there were another 65K malignant accounts/forms? Or is this just speculation to support a draconian action by an increasingly intrusive and rights-oblivious government?
Furthermore, one might well argue that any sort of free and/or anonymous services should be shut down by your logic. That includes email, blogs, websites, social media accounts - after all, any and all of those could be used for unethical ends.
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You are pulling numbers out of thin air. Jotform actively pulled fraudulent accounts. They didn't turn a blind eye to it.
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You are assuming computers have psychic mind powers to determine the intent of people using the service. The company was running a Bayesian phishing filter, but even this wasn't perfect. What do you expect them to do?
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How about stop providing a free service for scammers? Charge a dollar or two and let the criminals find some other naive startup to exploit.
This coming from a person who refuses to even sign up for an account at slashdot, let alone pay slashdot any money.
I guess you are admitting to be a scammer.
I hope you get thrown in prison for your internet scamming!
I also don't know what planet you live on, but here on Earth, criminals can afford a few dollars.
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No, what will happen is that people will stop using
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Yeah - if they can shut down this site like this without anything resembling due process, what's to stop them from shutting down Azure or AWS because someone says that a customer has pirated music or the plans for a WMD somewhere in those clouds?