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There's Been a Leak At WikiLeaks 167

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from the who-leaks-the-leakers dept.
adeelarshad82 writes "German paper Der Freitag claims it has uncovered a batch of online unredacted diplomatic cables that came from WikiLeaks. Editor Steffen Kraft said he found a 'password protected csv file' that contained a 1.73GB cache of diplomatic cables from WikiLeaks. Its pages contained 'named or otherwise identifiable "informers" and "suspected intelligence agents" from Israel, Jordan, Iran, and Afghanistan.'"
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There's Been a Leak At WikiLeaks

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  • by SpaceCadetTrav (641261) on Monday August 29, 2011 @02:12PM (#37245166) Homepage
    Is that based on the honor system?
    • by robbrit (1408421)
      You have to say "please."
    • by jhoegl (638955)
      No doubt, that and what is essentially a 1.73GB text file is quite an impressive feat.

      But this document does raise the question... can WikiLeaks or other leak sites be "selective" in their leaks?
      If someone is anonymously exposing secrets that can hurt others, can that anonymous person also be "leaked" and take the same risk?

      It is a gray area, for I want to know when people are doing bad things in the name of the country I live in and thus support through taxes, voting, and taking part in the very thing
      • by _KiTA_ (241027)

        But this document does raise the question... can WikiLeaks or other leak sites be "selective" in their leaks?

        Hilariously, the biggest complaint about them a few months back when the US was doing everything in it's power (and more than a few illegal things, see also: Julian Assange, "kangaroo court") to silence them was that they weren't being selective in their leaks.

        Or worse still, they weren't letting the US government do the selecting.

        • The US may have threatened and huffed and puffed but they did not take any actions against Wiki leaks. They did apply for warrants to get access to some e-mail accounts when they were investigating the source of the leaks. Any security service that does not at least investigate actions like this would be negligent. The only person they have charged is Manning and they had ample reason to do so in this case and even Manning will get his day in court to refute the charges. And it is not the US justice system
      • by Nyder (754090)

        ...
        But this document does raise the question... can WikiLeaks or other leak sites be "selective" in their leaks? ....

        That is one seriously stupid ass question.

        yes, they can be selective in their leaks. In fact, they could decide to never leak anything again, or they could decide to sell their website, or they could decide to all get sex changes and show documents on how it was done.

        They could also throw me a birthday party with clowns & lots of hookers.

        Any other really stupid questions you want to ask?

    • by Scutter (18425)

      "Pedo mellon a minno"

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Is that based on the honor system?

      No, it is just somebody that it stupid enough to rely on Google Translate. I understand German really, really, really, really badly, but still slightly better then a Google translation As far as I can tell, there was a need for a password to download the CSV-file.

      I always recommend that people read an article like this one in the original language, even if they understand it poorly, and only use Google Translate to help with some words and common expressions. Google Translate is dangerous, because the trans

    • by kmoser (1469707)
      Save it with a .zip extension.
  • by ipX (197591) on Monday August 29, 2011 @02:14PM (#37245184)
    From the PCmag article:

    In light of the sensitive nature of the information, Der Frietag has not published these documents, nor provided proof of their existence, but Der Spiegel, another German paper, has chimed in to confirm that they're real.

  • Where do I send my donations?
  • Yawn (Score:5, Interesting)

    by drobety (2429764) on Monday August 29, 2011 @02:20PM (#37245286)
    Der Freitag is associated with Daniel Domscheit-Berg (DDB) and the OpenLeaks project. I find it curious that Der Freitag "discovered the file on the internet" right when DDB has been making an ass of himself by deleting thousands of documents leaked by whistleblowers, and at a notable point of his campaign to discredit Wikileaks.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by eyenot (102141)

      Yeah, but wow, this guy's such a douche idiot fucking twat. And as somebody else here pointed out, now he's endangered all of those peoples' lives with no apparent rhyme or reason to his actions except

      1. he hates wikileaks

      2. he's a complete and utter moron

      • Re:Yawn (Score:5, Interesting)

        by dkleinsc (563838) on Monday August 29, 2011 @02:37PM (#37245510) Homepage

        There's another option:
        3. He's an intelligence agent for either a government or business assigned to spy on Wikileaks, and then given the order to discredit them and take them out of commission without creating any martyrs. As a side effect, he might be setting up Openleaks to be a honeypot making it nice and easy to catch those trying to leak to the public.

        • There's another option:
          3. He's an intelligence agent for either a government or business assigned to spy on Wikileaks, and then given the order to discredit them and take them out of commission without creating any martyrs. As a side effect, he might be setting up Openleaks to be a honeypot making it nice and easy to catch those trying to leak to the public.

          Since Openleaks does not work like Wikileaks, this is not possible. The Openleaks software is a standalone server that can be deployed by anyone. Currently, there is a review by security experts on the code. This is no different to Wordpress, tailored for secure leaking (bad example, I admit).

          The point of Openleaks is to not have the trust problem you describe.

        • by elrous0 (869638) *

          I've been saying DDB was a CIA plant since his defection. Everyone just laughs when I say it, but every story that comes out about him seems to point to this more and more. He's a snake in the grass who began sabotaging and attempting to discredit Wikileaks from day one. And, you're right, his "OpenLeaks" site has honeypot written all over it.

          • by poity (465672)

            his "OpenLeaks" site has honeypot written all over it.

            Maybe that's what THE GOVERNMENT wants you to think, so you'll send your leaks to the Wikileaks honepot.
            Maybe YOU'RE a CIA agent trying to protect your honeypot and dissuade people from using Openleaks
            Maybe I'M your CIA coworker drumming up opposing FUD to direct the paranoid to where ever our bosses want.

            And I just blew your mind :D

            • his "OpenLeaks" site has honeypot written all over it.

              Maybe that's what THE GOVERNMENT wants you to think, so you'll send your leaks to the Wikileaks honepot. Maybe YOU'RE a CIA agent trying to protect your honeypot and dissuade people from using Openleaks Maybe I'M your CIA coworker drumming up opposing FUD to direct the paranoid to where ever our bosses want.

              And I just blew your mind :D

              Dude, that wasn't his mind!

        • by poity (465672)

          4. [plot twist] Wikileaks is the real honeypot after all, and DDB/Openleaks was contrived by the same shadow government to function as an OPFOR, whose public feud is meant to further legitimize Wikileaks in the eyes of those who hold the greatest suspicion, e.g. individuals and nations (Iran, China, Russia) who claim WL is an elaborate CIA/Mossad operation.

          Of course, my point is that there's no end to the path of "there's a conspiracy beneath this!", and further levels of paranoia are just as rational (or i

        • by Xest (935314)

          "As a side effect, he might be setting up Openleaks to be a honeypot making it nice and easy to catch those trying to leak to the public."

          Seeing as to date, OpenLeaks appears to not have leaked anything, but has actually deleted plenty of validly leakable material, I'd argue that's a pretty reasonable guess.

          If it's not a honeypot, then it's the most incompetent leaking organisation on earth and not worth giving the time of day anyway.

          I've always said the proof is in the pudding, many people looked to OpenLe

      • There is no law against being either. That is the problem with assholes, is that the law tends to overly protect them from everyone except other assholes. The law doesn't protect people from Assholes because it can't. It can only protect assholes from everyone else.

        • by tunapez (1161697)

          The law doesn't protect people from Assholes because it can't.

          That doesn't stop the asshole lawmakers from making more asshole laws. Ironic isn't it?

          I prefer to replace 'asshole' with 'stupid', it fits better. The results are the same, however...protecting stupid assholes from themselves/others at the expense of everybody else's liberties.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          "Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and ha

    • You beat me to it. Was just writing to point this out as well. The fact that it was "discovered on the internet" seems pretty shady to me. Way too convenient timing for this to happen considering it's associated with OpenLeaks and that douche DDB. OpenLeaks is a joke and only trying to ride the coattails of Wikileaks while at the same time beating it in the head with a brick to try and take it down. Seems rather counter productive. If your true goal as a leaking site is to leak stuff to show corruption or t
  • I think it's wonderful that WikiLeaks lampoons people of wealth and power, but most intelligence sources are likely poor fuckers like you and me who are just trying to rid their countries of tyranny or terrorists. Posting their real names on the web subjects them and their loved ones to gruesomely violent reprisals.

    That's Not Right.

    • So, wealthy people should have no expectation of privacy by virtue of being wealthy, but the poor should receive extra protection? You suck.
      • by Schemat1c (464768)

        So, wealthy people should have no expectation of privacy by virtue of being wealthy, but the poor should receive extra protection? You suck.

        I smell tea....

      • by frisket (149522)

        So, wealthy people should have no expectation of privacy by virtue of being wealthy, but the poor should receive extra protection?

        Yes, exactly that. It's better than the other way round. The wealthy can afford to protect themselves; the poor cannot.

        You suck.

        Retard. Has it never occurred to you that wealth, like fame, high office, talent, and insight bring with them obligations? Obviously not. You want power without responsibility, the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.

    • by LWATCDR (28044) on Monday August 29, 2011 @02:42PM (#37245572) Homepage Journal

      That is just it. Wikileaks is not in any way unbiased or frankly professional. Wikileaks was never a good thing. It is like a guy that goes around punching people in the face. When he punches a bully you don't like it is great. When he punches you or your buddy it sucks.

      There is a good reason why diplomatic cables are usually kept secret.

      • There is a good reason why diplomatic cables are usually kept secret.

        One must weigh the cost of keeping secrets against the cost of exposing corruption.

        Would you prefer a world where wikileaks never existed, and the Arab Spring never happened?

        • by LWATCDR (28044)

          I thinking that you are giving Wikileaks too much credit and the people of those nations not enough. Also we do not know if this will be a good thing in the end. It may be good but it may just bring even more brutal dictators to power. That is the problem with revolution, you don't really know how it will work out for a good while.

    • by Ltap (1572175)
      You must be joking. The whole summary is that this was 'leaked' from WikiLeaks -- hence, that it was an 'original' that had not yet been redacted.
  • I'm registering http://www.wikileaksleaks.org/ [wikileaksleaks.org] as we speak! ;-)
  • ... can't... make sense of.. google... translations... *head asplodes*

  • by Anonymous Coward

    To see whether or not Mr. Assange and others will feel the least bit remorseful for the deaths of these informers or their families... Or perhaps some poor bloke that just has the same name.

  • by Pop69 (700500) <billy@@@benarty...co...uk> on Monday August 29, 2011 @02:52PM (#37245682) Homepage
    "There has been no 'leak at WikiLeaks'. The issue relates to a mainstream media partner and a malicious individual."
  • That Wikileaks is far too important to keep as it is and as it has been run. It needs to be fully decentralized and immediate, no delays, no central control, no waiting for slow news days, etc. A truly decentralized and secure system with checks and balances and that is it.

    Now there is so much confusion and doubt. Is this an agent, is there an agenda, is this a real breach or manufactured, etc? Wikileaks is simply doing the same thing that news organizations and governments do at this point and it serves no

    • You're right, except for one thing...it's very tricky to have an impact that way. Newspapers like to break stories, so if the interesting material is just put online, it's surprisingly hard to get the "mainstream" press to take an interest in republishing it!

      • by rAiNsT0rm (877553)

        I get that, but when you are putting out important shit it will have an impact regardless and playing the same games is just silly. Also if there were a more steady stream it already has been shown that people will take the info and distill it down and post the relevant info or key highlights for those that want to be more passive. The information itself is powerful and important.

  • Its a leakception!

  • by drolli (522659) on Monday August 29, 2011 @03:56PM (#37246376) Journal

    According to what i understand: The leak is confirmed (1) independently and also by one of the WL partners (4), which claimes it was in relation to Daniel Domscheids Bergs (DDB) return of this data and a human error on the side of wikileaks which resulted in a password and the data being published. It has been known to insiders for some time, claims a known german tech Journalist who wrote (3) in a comment to (1), direct link to his commen (6). Several of these suggest that the handling of the data which was returned by DDB to Wikileaks and the uncontrolled release of the data an password were the reasons for DDB to destroy the remaining WL data instead of returning it. Other sources claim he is wrong.

    (1) http://netzpolitik.org/2011/leck-bei-wikileaks-bestatigt/ [netzpolitik.org]

    (2) https://netzpolitik.org/2011/leck-bei-wikileaks/ [netzpolitik.org]

    (3) http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/34/34398/1.html [heise.de]

    (4) http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,782923,00.html [spiegel.de]

    (5) http://www.golem.de/1108/85993.html [golem.de]

    (6) http://netzpolitik.org/2011/leck-bei-wikileaks-bestatigt/#comment-434548 [netzpolitik.org]

  • Somebody should start up MetaLeaks.
  • by Katchu (1036242)
    While information does want to be free, this is going to get some very good people killed. You know, there are some really evil people out there and it is up to someone to keep track of them. Sometimes that function falls on the people being exposed here.

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