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Microsoft Zunes Committing Mass Suicide 785

jddeluxe writes "There are multiple reports springing up all over the internet of a mass suicide of Microsoft 30GB Zune players globally. Check Zune forums, Gizmodo, or other such sites; the reports are spreading rapidly, except apparently to the Microsoft official Zune site."
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Microsoft Zunes Committing Mass Suicide

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  • Real mature (Score:1, Insightful)

    by alx5000 ( 896642 ) <alx5000&alx5000,net> on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:07AM (#26279835) Homepage

    It's already kind of lame when someone spells it M$ or Micro$oft in a comment but... in the summary? Childish much?

  • Article summary (Score:5, Insightful)

    by phasm42 ( 588479 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:07AM (#26279837)

    Micro$oft 30Mb Zune

    Nice to see the editors are on the job.

  • by Enoxice ( 993945 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:08AM (#26279845) Journal
    ...but it doesn't tell me what's happening, sounds sensationalist, and actually uses "Micro$oft" - who types that???
  • Suicide? Really? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Todd Fisher ( 680265 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:16AM (#26279975) Homepage
    So when my insides stop working correctly and I die that will be considered suicide?
  • Re:Article summary (Score:5, Insightful)

    by d3ac0n ( 715594 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:19AM (#26280009)

    Indeed.

    How does crap like this make it to the front page?

    Can we get an edit on the summary? Not only are there spelling mistakes, but the summary is just flat wrong about how Microsoft is reacting to the problem.

    Look, I have issues with Microsoft as much as the next geek, but this summary is just moronic and childish. Can we get a fix please?

  • Re:Suicide? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Poltras ( 680608 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:24AM (#26280073) Homepage

    Except that, if it had been a Creative Zen or an iPod, you'd still have it to play your favorite music. No big loss? Come on... You now HAVE to buy a new one.

    And here's to Microsoft recognizing the problem (they didn't yet) and fixing it.

  • by Madthio ( 97016 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `oihtdam'> on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:26AM (#26280093) Homepage

    Never blame on malice that which can more simply be attributed to programming error. Occam's Razor, and all that.

  • by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:29AM (#26280135) Homepage Journal

    I feel sorry for MSFT.

    Really? You have a broken player and they have your money, but you feel bad for them?

  • by clickclickdrone ( 964164 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:30AM (#26280151)
    Boy, this site has really started to slip, quality wise. The Zunes have failed, stopped working, anything but committed suicide. Jeez.
    Have to say though, I'd hate to be MS Zune support at this point - most of the staff will be off or in serious party mood, not what you need when something this big happens.
  • by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:35AM (#26280221) Homepage Journal

    My 8gig Zune works just fine.

    I wouldn't go that far.

  • Re:30 Mega-bytes? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 4D6963 ( 933028 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:44AM (#26280395)
    Actually that's "30Mb", 30 megabits, or 3.75 MB.
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:47AM (#26280433)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Re:Leap Day... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:47AM (#26280437)

    If that were the case you'd think somebody would have noticed that their Zune said it was 3/1/2008 on the 29th of February.

  • Re:Real mature (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sir_Lewk ( 967686 ) <sirlewk@gCOLAmail.com minus caffeine> on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:49AM (#26280467)
    I'm not sure what's worse. The fact the the editors write that, or the fact that at this point my brain doesn't even notice it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:49AM (#26280469)

    It should have happened in 2007 then:-) 0x07 is the most you can store in three bits. I guess it's something much more sinister.

  • Re:Suicide? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by tzot ( 834456 ) <antislsh@medbar.gr> on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:52AM (#26280517) Homepage

    Anyway, you didn't just lose $50 - you lost $50 plus the cost of eventual replacement, which you shouldn't have needed. The only way you've only lost $50 is if you never replace your broken Zune.

    Um. You seem to lack a basic grasp of economics, goods and their values. For example, do you believe that anytime you get a paycheck, say $200, these are money your employer lost? If yes, please let him know of this fact.

    Think the following scenarios about the GP:

    • He bought a working $300 player, no Zune. Money lost: $0 (his $300 are being put into use).
    • He bought a $50 Zune that stopped working. Money lost: $50
    • Adding the above: He bought a $50 Zune; it stopped working. He buys a new $400 player. While that new player is working, money lost: $50.
    • And finally a way to prove you right: he bought a $50 Zune; it stopped working. He orders online for a $350 player, but the merchant is a scammer and never sends the new player. Money lost: $400
  • Re:Leap Day... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by omkhar ( 167195 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:53AM (#26280525)

    then why didn't this happen in 2004 - there were Zunes then (weren't there?)

  • by manekineko2 ( 1052430 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:54AM (#26280551)

    You joke about this, but Microsoft actually has the best track record for non-designed obsolescence among all the digital audio player manufacturers out there. When they came out with new generation Zunes, they rolled out all the updates to older generation owners as well.

    These updates were also free, unlike the updates for the iPod Touch (interesting how some companies supposedly have to charge for updates with new features under accounting rules, and others don't).

    I don't approve of a lot of things Microsoft does, but I have to say that objectively, they've been a real class act as far as supporting older Zunes goes.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:55AM (#26280567)

    Xbox 360 - RRoD hardware failures
    Xbox 360 - DVD scratching and destroying game discs
    HD-DVD - Dead format
    Zune - Bricked by poorly written firmware

    Worst Console Ever.
    Dead Movie Format
    and a dead 'iPod killer' with a stupid brand name

    It's hilarious in a pathetic sort of way to know there are huge numbers of diehard Microsoft fanboys out there who are actually dumb enough to own all three of those Microsoft turds.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @11:55AM (#26280575)

    If it started in 2000, a 3bit year would overrun in 2008 not 2009..

  • by AdamInParadise ( 257888 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @12:11PM (#26280815) Homepage

    This kind of things can happen to every company, true. However, this seems to happen to Microsoft a lot... And in many of those cases, it was proven that Microsoft knew about the issue but decided to release the product anyway: the bugs in Windows Vista, the Red Ring of Death of the Xbox... Please note that is not a criticism of the Microsoft employees but of the corporate cultural at the executive level that lead them to those issues.

  • by tacokill ( 531275 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @12:14PM (#26280869)
    It's 2008/2009, right?

    Please explain to me how Microsoft bungles such a simple thing. Do they really not test this crap or what?

    I mean, it would be one thing if it was some unknown, unforseeable bug -- but this is a fucking leap year problem. Hell, we studied that problem back when I learned Cobol. In 1991.

    So again, how does this happen this day and age? Even for Microsoft, this is so far below "acceptable" that I can't believe it happened.
  • by Amarok.Org ( 514102 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @12:21PM (#26281005)

    I own 2 of the 3.

    Xbox 360 - mine did the RRoD after almost 3 years of fairly heavy use. Guess what? Microsoft replaced it no questions asked. I'm no Microsoft fan, but that was great customer service. When I bought my 360 originally, I was actually pretty anti-Microsoft (Linux, Mac, yadda yadda). But at the time, I considered it the best console for the money. It was good enough that even if Microsoft hadn't replaced it (and after 3 years, I didn't expect them to), I'd have bought another one anyway.

    HD-DVD - just bought my HD-DVD add-on for my 360 about 2 weeks ago. Why? Player is dirt cheap, and there's still a ton of HD movies/TV shows out there. Since it's a "dead" format, most stores are clearing them out DIRT cheap. I picked up 10-15 HD movies the other day for an average of $8 each (brand new, not the used ones Blockbuster is selling). That's way more attractive to me than the $30 average price for the BlueRay stuff (which I also buy for my PS3).

    Yeah, I know you're trolling, but take it from someone who owns all three major consoles (360, PS3, Wii) - the 360 is a great console (though I'm not thrilled with the new Dashboard look) and holds its own against the PS3 in every place it matters - performance, graphics, game selection, etc. Sure you can beat it up on tech specs these days, but I still probably play it 2:1 over the PS3.

  • Re:Real mature (Score:2, Insightful)

    by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @12:24PM (#26281033)

    What's so wrong with expressing that opinion neatly in a single character change?

    Because it's effectively reverting back to name calling. Expressing a negative opinion with no reasoning to back it up is not logical.

    I've seen the same type of thing countless times. Microsoft becomes Micro$oft. California becomes Kalifornia. Democrats become Democraps. Or they get more elaborate like insisting on using "Barrack Hussein Obama"'s full name even when unatural to do so or throwing "comrade" when talking about anything regarding the government.

    It all just falls back to useless (and childish) name calling that does little to convince the other side of anything except the speaker's maturity level.

  • Re:Article summary (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ari_j ( 90255 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @12:27PM (#26281071)
    The summary also doesn't explain what "committing suicide" means in the context of a Zune, and the headline has an exclamation point. The fix we need is moderation of front-page stories so that crap like this goes away.
  • by ari_j ( 90255 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @12:29PM (#26281095)
    I find your use of the phrase "started to slip" interesting. Please share more of your curious usage ideas.
  • Re:Suicide? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by wagr ( 1070120 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @12:36PM (#26281181)

    I think lost is what is spent to restore a working music player, or, if not restored, the functionality of the Zune.

    The concept that he is out $50 is a direct, easy, way to think about it: spent $50, now useless, out $50. Digging deeper to discern true cost only adds to the time cost. It just isn't worth the effort to account for everything involved with a broken machine -- unless you are somehow rewarded to figure out a "true cost."

    There are many factors to include in such an accounting: the music gotten out of the Zune before it froze, the time to find a replacement and restore files to the new player, the $ spent on a new player, new features in a replacement, $ spent on transportation to/from store or shipping, the bad air breathed due to the manufacture and delivery of a replacement, ...

    My reward is merely in taking part in this conversation.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @01:27PM (#26281901)

    I don't approve of a lot of things Microsoft does, but I have to say that objectively, they've been a real class act as far as supporting older Zunes goes.

    You're right, MicroSoft has been a class act. That "Plays For Sure" thing has sure worked out great for their digital music customers.

  • Re:Oblig. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tubal-Cain ( 1289912 ) * on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @01:44PM (#26282123) Journal
    That was too good to be posted anonymously.
  • Re:Real mature (Score:3, Insightful)

    by drsmithy ( 35869 ) <drsmithy@nOSPAm.gmail.com> on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @01:59PM (#26282325)

    the terms serve their purpose well as long as they piss off people like you.

    Can't say they "piss me off" in the slightest. "Shake my head bemusedly" would probably be a more accurate description.

    One purpose they do serve, however, is as a barometer of a poster's credibility. As do posts like yours.

  • Re:Suicide? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by severoon ( 536737 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @02:13PM (#26282527) Journal

    ur doin it rong.

    There's a difference between spending money and losing it. If you go out in the street with $50 and get robbed, you lost it. If you spend it on a terrible meal, then you might assess the cost-benefit to be that you traded $50 for a meal only worth $20 (lost $30). If you had a decent meal worth $50, you lost nothing. If you had a great meal that would've been worth $75 to you, you gained $25 in utility. In all of these meal examples, you're putting a number on utility, though.

    In terms of hard assets, if you trade your $50 for a trinket that you could buy new somewhere else for $10, you lost $40. If you buy a brand new Bentley for the $50, and you could immediately turn around and sell it for $355,550, you gained $355,500. Good job! If your new Bentley gets jacked just after you buy it, you netted a $50 loss that day. Still economically the same as getting your $50 robbed directly, but this would feel much, much worse because of the brief moment you were flyin' high with that pimpin' Bentley.

  • by rennerik ( 1256370 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @02:28PM (#26282741)

    You'd have a huge post on Apple support forums, with no official postings by any employee. Attempting to speak to Geniuses or tech support will only yield a, "huh, I've never heard of *that* happening before" as they replace your player for you.

    A few weeks later, a firmware update containing many bug-fixes magically happens to fix this one too, and it's never spoken of again.

    Microsoft has a lot of problems, but I am *so* glad they actually admit when there's an issue and not just sit on it like Apple in the hopes that it will go away.

  • by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @03:10PM (#26283403)
    [troll]Too bad they couldn't have had thousands of programmers reviewing the code for free before this happened...[/troll]
  • by YesIAmAScript ( 886271 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @03:13PM (#26283437)

    HD-DVD isn't "dead", it's dead.

    It's as dead as VHS. There are no new releases on either.

    Just because you find discs around you can buy doesn't mean it isn't dead. Also, my understanding is Blockbuster's HD-DVDs aren't used. The ones I see at Fry's sure aren't. If I wanted leftover older movies at $8, I'd be gassed with HD-DVD I guess. But I don't really. The good movies (like Hot Fuzz) sold out quickly when HD-DVD was killed, and the rest are dregs. BTW, dregs aren't $30 on BluRay (except for from Fox), they are $14-$18.

    I've had my 360 die 4 times. The last time, MS wouldn't replace it (optical drive went bad, long story but they screwed me, IMHO). Good customer service is no replacement for making a product that actually works.

  • by cowtamer ( 311087 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @03:46PM (#26283925) Journal

    First of all, I'm not an alarmist or a conspiracy theorist. I don't generally believe that anyone is out to get me. I run Vista on my laptop (and Linux on less important hardware).

    This, however, is making me think seriously about the need for open source hardware.

    What's happening to the Zunes (even though I'm sure they'll fix it shortly) might be the tip of the iceberg for what might happen to the rest of our hardware, either through design or negligence.

    I've never seen the firmware running my computer's BIOS, my cell phone or my car. Normally, I wouldn't bother to look. But the fact is that 99% of the hardware we rely on is capable of doing the same thing, with much worse consequences. None of us know what kind of backdoors or bugs exist.

    This is not good.

    The bad thing is, I don't see many alternatives out there. Android is a good start. The Arduino board seems like a nice toy. What else can we do? Is there a viable way of setting up incentives so that the big manufacturers start releasing open sourced firmware?

    RMS, where are you???

  • Re:Suicide? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by eigenstates ( 1364441 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @05:57PM (#26285487)

    "... may experience issues ..."

    Is 2009 going to finally be the end of all bogus customer facing 'care' that people (not just MS) pass off good?

    Like the poor saps on the phone who are given a script and parrot out "First, sir let me apologize...". I always ask if they were responsible in some way directly for my 'issue'. Obviously they never are and I give back a "You didn't do it, so please don't apologize for it. If you want to give me to someone that actually made such and such a rule or designed the Xbox 360 to overheat and have them apologize to me- then we've go something. Till then tell your supervisor I am insulted by you being forced to apologize."

  • Re:Leap Day... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by LandDolphin ( 1202876 ) on Wednesday December 31, 2008 @06:37PM (#26285929)
    Obviously the ones with Marilyn Manson on them are still working. It was the good Christian Zunes that were taken in the Zune Rapture.

Ya'll hear about the geometer who went to the beach to catch some rays and became a tangent ?

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