NYC Wants to Ban Geiger Counters 457
Ellis D. Tripp noted a village voice article about attempts in NYC to pass a law requiring permits for air monitoring devices including apparently geiger counters. I'm sure everyone will feel much safer not knowing anything.
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At this point, yes, if they're outright banning these
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This sounds like some really sick Department of Homeland/Republican (in)Security idea to totally cripple what little is left of the EPA. Sneak the law in New York
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Misuse of a meter may cause personal panic. Misuse of a car frequently causes death.
Why do we care about all the wrong things?
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The point though, is that using a bad Geiger counter does not cause any direct harm, as opposed to punching some one. That they could cause harm at all is speculative, not a logical conclusion.
And outlawing things based on speculation is not ok.
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The point though, is that using a bad Geiger counter does not cause any direct harm
Well, yes it *does*, if you then go and phone the police screaming about some massive radiation reading that your $4.99-from-eBay Geiger counter is going berzerk over.
It's not the alarm that's causing any harm, it's the person using it that causes the harm.
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Let's try an analogy. Smoke detectors are a Good Thing, and they're particularly good when *everyone* has them and maintains them. Would you like your panicky shouty skinny-dog-on-a-string neighbour to have a smoke detector that went off if you breathed out particularly hard, with a siren that would wake everyone for the surrounding quarter mile radius? No? Can't say I'm surprised.
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b. Any person deploying a biological, chemical or radiological detector shall immediately notify the police department if such detector indicates an alarm, notwithstanding whether the person holds a permit for such detector, by following such procedures as are prescribed by rule of the commissioner and/or are included as a term of the permit itself.
so if I commit a misdemeanor by having an illegal NBCR detector, it's a misdemeanor of me not to report the activation of my illegal detector without regard to whether I have reason to believe the alarm to be giving a false indication! an other interesting problem may be what happens when all of the new cellphones [purdue.edu] in NYC have to be registered because the have radiation detectors built in.
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Get it? banning things preemptively
oh never mind.
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And sometimes its a way to tell you you presented your argument with the grace and wit of a 5 year old.
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For certification purposes, it costs my lab around $75.00 to get a geiger counter certified. (If you didn't care about certification and just wanted to verify that it was within an order of magnitude, a point source of known activity with known distance would make it fairly trivial, and could even be done on a walk-in basis for a few bucks.)
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If NYC is worried about bad geiger counters
Unless their concern is really the opposite of this. What if - hypothetically speaking, of course - there was a government that wanted to use fear to keep the population cowed and receptive to the forfeiture of its civil liberties in return for greater security. As long as citizens don't have access to detection technology, it could stage all of the fake terrorist attacks it wants and nobody would be the wiser. All that would be necessary is to make an announcement to the local media that something terribl
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How about you have to apply for a permit that you're not necessarily granted for science research? Oh wait, the article has that as a concern. From the article: "Dave Newman, an industrial hygienist for the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health, claimed that under this law, the West Virginia air-quality experts who tested the air after 9/11 would have been a bunch of criminals."
Yeah, good idea, if you want to make the world a thoughtcrime maybe. I mean this is so far as to call possession of a geiger counter something you can be be fined for. That in itself is a bit of crazy.
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It also shows how much of a diet of fear and panic America is currently suffering. Looks like they are now worrying about people worrying so much that they panic!
what is good for the goose is good for the gander (Score:3, Informative)
The argument has made repeatedly on Slashdot that computer users should be licensed - that users should demonstrate a mastery of basic skills and show some sense of responsibility for the potential consequences of his actions.
But tell the Geek that he needs a license before toying with class 4 biologic and radiological alarms and the world becomes a nanny state.
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Oh you fuddyduddy libertarian.
Seriously though I think it is a perfectly logical progression. After all we have already been told by every right thinking person[1] that NYC has to operate under different rules, that certain otherwise fundamental liberties must be compromised to make such a metropolis fuction.
Seriously, count em:
1. The second Amendment is pretty much void in New York. The former mayor[2] carefully explained in a recent debate that 'laws that make sense in New York might not make sense in flyover country' so I list this one first to put the accepted precedent that the idea that core Consitituitional liberties vary by population density is now accepted policy. Or I totally missed the nationwide outrush of rage, the riots, etc.
2. The right to property is probably most circumscribed in NYC. See the history of several generations of Rent Control for details.
3. The Right to follow a profession of one's choice is pretty much null and void in NY, between the unions and the almost total control by the city government through licensing and regulation designed not to pretect the public but to control entry into the professions to protect the current workers from competition.
4-999 could be filled in by anyone depressed enough to type that long.
No, if one accepts the base logic that makes that level of State control acceptable, allowing them the monopoly power to control information about the safety (read the actual performance of regulators) makes perfect sense. So all I can say is, suck it up Citizen, turn in your detectors and listen to the Safety and Civil Reassurance Administration when they calmly inform you everything is 'perfectly safe.'
Of course you COULD start demanding the whole fetid mess of dank rotting crap go to Hell. You don't even have to be a Ronulan to say that.
[1] Defined of course by the editorial board of the NYT and usually Socialist house organs such as the Village Voice. Nice to see one of their sacred oxes served up on the grill.
[2] With the partial agreement of all right thinking people[1] except they think he isn't enough of a gun banner.
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To you, you have your own opinion, and you are entitled to it. However, that doesn't counter factual evidence. This is along the same lines of "I don't want XYZ regardless of studies/logic".Non-factual opinion has no basis in the court of law, nor in politics.
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In the meantime, you're comparing welfare to violence. Those two things are not necessarily in the same group, nor in the same group as guns.
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And yes, I have one, and yes, I sometimes carry a gun. Why? Because it makes me feel more manly.
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Do you have any idea how many people commute into NYC from Connecticut, New Jersey, Nassau county, Suffolk county, and Westchester county every weekday? Trying prohibit guns in NYC would be funny if it weren't tragic. It works about as well as prohibiting drugs does.
The primary use of legal guns in NYC is the threat of innocents able to protect themselves from predators. They aren't called "e
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The right to own a firearm defines if you are a citizen or a subject. What do you want to be?
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I'm curious: Has this view of citizenship ever been espoused by anyone outside of the US?
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Have you ever been to pretty much anywhere outside of the US? Have you ever read the news of any other country but the US? Your response leaves me little option but to think that your knowledge of the outside world is quite distorted...
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1) Civil liberties being gradually eroded in the name of the "war on terror"
2) A government committing torture
3) A government taking people off to some jail out of the country with no trial for many years
4) Your phone companies spying on you without warrants
5) Billions upon billions o
Thank you for making my point! (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, I'm saying exactly that. Because NYC is exactly where they are needed most. I live in flyover country. Random violent crime is so rare it makes the front page on the occasion we have one. My weapon stays in a case on a top shelf of a closet on the reasoning that an accidental discharge is the greater risk. I wouldn't live in a place like NYC unless I could keep the damned thing loaded and under my pillow or srapped to my ass when I was walking the crime ridden streets of our major cities... even after the admirable efforts of NYC's former mayor to REDUCE[1] violent crime.
> You know, where hunting consists of going to the store, not actually going out and hunting?
You might be shocked to learn that the 2nd Amendment has exactly zero to do with hunting. The primary purpose was the belief that armed men are Citizens while unarmed ones were only Subjects. That the carrying of arms was itself a virtue, helping to keep a Free People in the right frame of mind to be worthy of receiving the Blessings of Liberty.
But while a gun control debate would be fun, I'm instead going to stay ontopic and use your post to illustrate my original point.
I'd like to start by drawing the attention of the readers to both what our canonical hive minder said and left unsaid.
He mentions "There is no reason people in NYC need guns" and "people of the most densely populated cities" which couldn't make my argument better that there has crept into the thinking, of city dwellers at least, that individual liberty is fundamentally incompatible with cities. Personally if it proves true I'd prefer razing every population center >1million over tossing liberty but I refuse to believe it; Free Men can live in Cities, Suburbs, the country or on the Moon. Quivering masses of welfare clients on the other hand... the solution should be obvious.
And note that he ins't calling for repealing the 2nd Amendment, just substituting his greater wisdom for that of the Founding Fathers without all that tedious mucking about with having a public debate about repealing the Bill of Rights. This trend is most disturbing because it isn't just limited to gun control. McCain/Feingold shredded the 1st Amendment while those who should have been objecting were cheering. 1, 2, 9 and 10 are pretty much extinct and 5 is threatened and not once have we actually repealed any of them.
Once upon a time the fundies wanted to regulate booze. Realizing the federal government had no such authority, and believing in our Republican Form of Government[2], they did it the right way and pushed through an Amendment though it took them a hell of a lot longer than just getting 50%+1 vote in Congress. So when did we pass an Amendment authorizing the FDA, DEA, etc? Thus was the 9th and 10th Amendments voided without a vote being needed.
Remember that you can't just object to ONE of these violations, because if one accepts the logic that allows ANY of these violations to occur the rest logically follow. Choose. Choose wisely.
[1] Reduce from truly insane to levels that make Dodge City at it's worst look like a safe place to raise children.
[2] As distict from the Republican Party... for the benefit of the Government educated.
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You might be shocked to learn that the 2nd Amendment has exactly zero to do with hunting. The primary purpose was the belief that armed men are Citizens while unarmed ones were only Subjects. That the carrying of arms was itself a virtue, helping to keep a Free People in the right frame of mind to be worthy of receiving the Blessings of Liberty.
So why are your rights being continually eroded by those in power, and why is G W Bush still in office? What about the voting "anomalies?" What about the power of
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No, realist. The advantages of living in a city are more than outweighed by the risks and expenses, especially in the era of Internet commerce and FedEX delivery. I lived in the Dallas metro area for five years in the early 1990's and got to experience it first hand. Had my car broke into twice (and it was a POS Datsun B210, not exactly an inviting target) and was forced to violate the important safety rule of not looking into the barrel of a loaded firearm once.
Since then I have wisely opted to only occasionally visit metropolitian areas and stick to the areas with at least a semblence of the rule of law. The problem is nationwide, the police increasingly can't enforce order and the population is barred from taking over their own defense. But while it is bad everywhere the problem is most acute in the large cities where Democrats rule with an iron hand.. over the law abiding at least.
The core problem is the notion that only the State has power, wisdom and Rights, that everyone else must cower in fear, their only option to plead for help from the all powerful, all knowing and all caring State. That any attempt to solve one's problems without a government program is not only misguided, it is dangerous and must be legislated against.
Look at the topic for this thread again. In only a couple of generations we have devolved from a proud free people into the sort of pitiful creatures that actually sit down and rationally discuss whether or not the State can regulate the possession of a Geiger counter. And you dare call me a coward? I can't properly respond to that in a civilized manner so....
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Fuck you. Fuck you and all who think like you. Fuck the pathetic whore that begat you, fuck the government schools that finished the job your congenitally defective parents started of turning what could have been a lovable retard into a pitiful worm fit only to labor under the yoke of the socialists.
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I'd like to take this opportunity to applogize to everyone else who had to read that. Some insults just have to be answered in the spirit they are offered in. If a mod finds they can't forgive it and gives this post flamebait I'll understand.
> Either grow a spine or just stay inside your house wearing a shawl and quivering everytime you hear something outside.
Or move somewhere where the police still manage to keep order, where I don't have to worry about crime yet I don't live in fear of the Police either. Where I can have a gun, but keep it in the closet because it isn't needed. But I keep it as insurance against darker days and not only is this OK with everyone it isn't even remarkable because most everyone else has one. Being good upstanding citizens though, instead of criminal scum, we don't blow each other into kibbles every Saturday night. So if I hear something go bump some night I'll grab my equalizer and go see what's up.
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I see that, FTA:
I suscribe to the many eyes philosophy. Open Source -- anybody can look for bad code -- more than most any centralized organization has.
I'd imagine it's the same in the real word -- with
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*ok some have a switch to toggle between photon-counting mode and intensity metering, if your photons are too close together to count, but they're not really geiger counters in that mode.
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There's no evidence that this has happened or is likely to happen. It's better to keep laws to a minimum than to sit around making up hypothetical situation and then passing sweepin
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"requiring permits for air monitoring devices
Customer in restaurant: This steak smells delicious.
Cop: You got a permit for that nose, mister?
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That's as shitty a reason to criminalize something as I've ever heard in my life. What if 100 people ran around shouting "Anthrax" thus causing a panic? Maybe they should issue free speech permits to make sure only competent professionals will be heard.
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Give them time...they're working on it, I'm sure.
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Except that that's not quite right. It is already illegal to cause a panic by any means, including shouting "Anthrax!" That law doesn't apply when the thing causing a panic (anthrax, Godzilla, the Pistons winning the championship) actually happened. Speech that doesn't incite a panic is still generally allowed.
What should be done is regulate them these devices like smoke detectors. You are encouraged to have them, but you pay a fine if the authorities are summoned on a false alarm.
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Not that I agree with the law, but at least I can sort of see where the idea comes from... not everyone is properly educated to operate a geiger counter and determine what its readings really mean in a given situation, and there is really no need for such a device in the hands of the general public.
If people are really that paranoid to begin with, then i
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Look, when it came to criminalizing inciting panics, did they require free speech permits? No, they did not. They did not criminalize innocent behavior in the name of combating a potential problem. In this case, however, that is *exactly* what they are doing.
Who is hurt by having a Geiger counter? nobody at all. Having and operating a Geiger counter is not a public menace
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I guess we should ban smoke detectors. After all, a bad detector could get tripped by someone cooking and cause a panic. I mean, how many false alarms did the NYC fire department respond to last year? Or those carbon monoxide detectors... the work of the devil!
Seriously, the only ones in a panic here are the elected officials.
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I bet most New Yorkers don't know how to run a Geiger counter (or possibly even what one is).
All the same, slaves were prevented from learning how to read, Jews in the death camps were not given any information about the war, their future, and today, people we want to strip of power are kept in the dark.
Check my history, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I really think that those in power (ALL of them, not just the Bushies) have gotten to the point of realizing that the American populace have become dumb sheep. Through fear, all is possible for them.
Refuse, resist.
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When it comes to the slavery comparison, the poster was drawing a parallel between the rules governing education of the black slaves in Colonial America with the proposed prevention of self-education that this law could bring. His concern on this ground may not be as strong as the first, but nonetheless, being able to draw such historical parallels typically gains the comment of "insightful."
Lastly, comparing something to Nazi Germany, though monotonous in online communities, should never be discouraged unless they are maliciously false. It's my understanding that we (civilization) are supposed to learn from the mistakes of our forefathers. I, too, am constantly wary of people starting that slide down the slope that would lead to a strictly controlled public with no fortitude to stand up to their government.
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I've also heard from other sources that New York City offers permits for polluting [nytimes.com] which isn't so wrong except that some of these are ridiculous. A lot of the rivers and streams to this day still are being polluted but since the companies are 'grandfathered' into pollution control, they can keep doing it. Do you ever think they're going to clean that up? I hardly think so.
So they want to avoid false alarms that could cause a mass panic. But like a lot of things there is a trade off and the trade off is the ability to independently verify that the air quality or radiation levels are indeed safe. If I were a citizen living there, losing the latter in and of itself would cause me panic. Poor means you're at risk of being ignored & treated like you don't matter and I don't think New York City (especially historically) is any different from the rest of the world.
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Not to say there weren't some deep fricking scars, but you can't live there and be that high strung about environmental safety issues; the first day you come home, take off your white shirt and your white undershirt, and notice that, while they were the same color when you put them on, one of them is now a sort of stinky grey...You have to accept it and move on, or you will lose your fricking mind.
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Frankly, it's crap. I seriously doubt as many people as they're representing are going to be buying these things; the vast majority will be installing them indoors, where they'll be lucky to detect ANYTHING, and the shoddy ones will tend to go off for crap that would set off your smoke alarm...I used to have a CO detector near my kitchen...It's somewhere in my backyard now, after the 10th time it went off when I dumped some liquor in a skillet to deglaze it.
People may buy this stuff, but the vast majority won't, and the ones that do are almost MORE likely to view an alarm as a false positive than the police themselves. New Yorkers are tough bastards. They'll piss and moan, but they're not super-hazard conscious...You can't be, and live in the City all the time, because you're far more likely to be killed by a manhole or a cracked out subway driver than any terrorist.
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I agree. My BS detector is going off like crazy. Uh... I mean, my BS detector *would* be going off like crazy if I owned one.... which I don't... because owning a device that can measure the atmospheric content of BS is quite illegal and I wouldn't do anything like that.... *glances over shoulder nervously*
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If it gets reported fast enough, I'd bet you could get Manhattan evacuated.
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Just to point out that this wasn't hyperbole, there was that case a few years ago in which a New York woman was a few years ago [nytimes.com]killed by an electrified manhold cover. The testing that followed turned up hundreds of similar risky metal sheets on sidewalks thro
Sir! Do you have a permit for... (Score:2)
http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/25/0514215&from=rss [slashdot.org]
Oh, and read the first post. No, really - read it, and mod it up or reply that it's silly to pre-emptively ban 'unlicensed' used of geiger detectors on the off-chance that crappy ones will cause some manner of mass hysteria (imho - your reply may differ.. free will and all that.)
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It saved my ass in the 90s when I took my Wife and Kids to Ruggle's Mine in Maine! Basically it's a mica mine but when were were hiking I told my kids not to touch the yellow chalk like rocks that some kid was using to write his name on in the caves. i took my gieger counter out and measured 350millirads. I told the kids parents that the rock was radioactive and they should take him to wash his hand and to change his clothes and get him in a tub. I believe the yellow rock was pitchblend.
heck.. I think a pocket gieger counter would come in handy.. why are they banning them? Is New York City's background radiation level higher than normal?
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And to think that I was the paranoid one.
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I have dug a few hot rocks out of there, as well.
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yellow radioactive rock is your usual uranium oxide, hydrated "yellowcake," a low concentration. but that's the production ore in north america and most of the world. in the 60s, you could buy a sample in a little plastic box at visitor centers like at the Oak Ridge Laboratories.
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Well, immediately, this sounds retarded. However, I can picture one benign reason for this.
We all saw what happened this month with Mass Effect. One idiot decides that it is equal to XXX porn without evver seeing it, and all sorts of people believe him and run with the story. Well, maybe they didn't believe him, but figured since he can be faulted for the mistake, they can run with it to scare people. I could see major "news" networks going nuts over a reading from some moron that wired his sensors wrong.
Is that any reason to excuse this law? No. Just saying I could see one possible reason. Since Journalists can't be trusted to fact check, an incorrect reading could cause a mass panic that would obviously be very problematic.
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The organs of the state are a far greater risk to everyone today than terrorists, and the only people who did anything to stop the one successful foreign terrorist attack on U.S. soil were citizens who reported suspicious behaviour to the authorities, which ignored them. And the folks on United 93, who saved who knows how many lives at the cost of their own. The authorities have been no more successful in stopping domestic terrorism in the U.S., either.
There is no excuse for keeping citizens in ignorance against the possibility that they might make a mistake with the imperfect knowledge they have.
We, the people, have been far more endangered by governments panicing due to false alarms (WMDs anyone?) than anyone could possibly be endangered by any number of citizens with faulty air monitoring instruments. At least we have laws that can be used to punish people who give false alarms...
In what way is this good for the people? (Score:5, Insightful)
The biggest trouble isn't false alarms, terrorists, or corporate lobbying. The biggest trouble is that government listens to itself more that it listens to the people.
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I owned one of those I picked up at an antique shop. They aren't geiger counters, the rely on ionization without the cascade amplification that happens inside of a geiger-mueller tube.
Look at the scale. You'd have to be inside a pile of pitchblend before the needle would move, and I doubt plutonium (an alpha emitter) would move the needle unless you somehow injected it inside the ionization chamber. They looked cool though, especially if
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When geiger counters are outlawed... (Score:4, Funny)
One possible solution (Score:5, Insightful)
My problem is why is the citizen always perceived as the enemy? Why are criminal punishments always deemed the solution? Here is my solution: Establish a citizen corps of air/radiation testers. Require a minimum set of standards for equipment and require some sort of proof that the operator knows how to operate the device and that the device functions properly. This may involve some sort of licensure. If you meet the requirements and become a member, you will have established the repute required to report a crisis to the proper authorities.
If you are not a member, you will still be allowed to own or operate these devices. However, if you detect a problem, you are obligated to report it to your closest deputy as defined above, who will verify and report it to the authorities if legitimate. You will not be punished for false positives because the purpose of the deputy is to filter these. However, if by your irresponsible actions you cause a panic, you will be held responsible, possibly criminally.
This engages the community, establishes a system of responsibility and gives a method to report problems. No one has to give up their equipment. It's almost like we live in a society, where people work together and laws aren't just made on the spot to ban stuff and create criminals out of regular people.
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Imagine someone with a geiger counter gets some kind of reading. Are they going to call the police? Of course not. They are going to call their nearest friends. And the news media. I'll bet with the right propagation I could get the entire island of Manhatten evacuat
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I'll bet with the right propagation I could get the entire island of Manhatten evacuated before knowledgeable, responsible people could get a hold of the situation and calm people down.
I bet not. This is Manhattan - we have crazy people wandering the streets screaming about radiation ALREADY! People here aren't going to believe you. We are the most skeptical people alive. A steam pipe fucking exploded in midtown in the middle of the working day and it only killed one person. This despite everyone's assumption that it was terrorism. Despite the parade of fleeing people coming down Park Avenue, people were actually walking TOWARD the mushroom cloud of steam to see what was up. A New York Y
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* Banning Geiger counters is stupid because this is America and if I want a Geiger counter I should be able to own one. I'm not a criminal for owning a Geiger counter, don't make me into one for owning a clicking box.
* If I want a Geiger counter, and if I think I need a Geiger counter for my safety, your dumb law is not going to stop me. Again, don't make me into a criminal for wanting to p
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What sort of person would come up with an idea like this and then try to enact it into law? This is the same city that outlawed ferrets as pets, well known for their vicious attacks on socks and rubber duckies.
Geiger Counters Outlawed (Score:2, Funny)
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Air rifles/Pistols (aka BB or Pellet guns) - totally illegal
Rifles/Shotguns? If they are not an Assault Weapon (anything over 5 rounds) - Go get fingerprinted, and then pay $300 every 3 years - and have to subit paperwork for each one you own or transfer
Pistols? Unless you are connected, forget about a carry permit. For a home/business permit? Apply (but make NO mistakes in your paperwork - our you will be denied) wait 9 months (although the law says they can't take more than 6) go for your interview, and still probably get denied. If you do get a permit, it's more expensive than the rifle/shotgun permit...
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*sigh. eepok, when his laugh alerted others.
Oh, for those that are curious, these oddly constructed sentences are references to Star Trek: The Next Generation. The Enterprise had encoun
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There are some concerns as to the accuracy. Is the air pump, filter, and counter calibrated and working correctly? Was background levels taken into consideration, what is the baseline in the area. Is there a temperature [cabq.gov] inversion happening which is causing a natural r
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And guess what? _There are already laws against hoaxes_.