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Warning On Office 2007 "Try-Before-You-Buy" 380

walterbyrd writes with a warning: "Microsoft is pushing Office 2007 with 'try-before-you-buy.' Please don't let your friends and relatives install Microsoft 'trial' software. When Microsoft tells you 'try-before-you-buy,' the 'buy' part is not meant to be an option. Once you 'try' a Microsoft 'upgrade' you can not easily go back, because your files will be replaced by new versions that you need the new software to read." The ChannelRegister article also notes how Microsoft's push goes against the grain of the consumer revolt against "crapware." Read on for an account of walterbyrd's experience with a previous Microsoft trial upgrade.

I remember when my brother-in-law decided to try Office-2003. It was a complete mess. I didn't think I'd ever get it fixed. Here is the story:

Office-2003 installed over his Office-2000. His Outlook-2000 email was reformatted to the new-and-improved Outlook-2003. And Outlook-2003 format is incompatible with everything except Outlook-2003. So when his trial period was over, he could no longer access his email — unless he wanted to buy Office-2003.

Of course, I could not fully remove the "trial" version of Office-2003. Once Office-2003 has been installed, it can not overwritten with an earlier version of Office. Also, you cannot remove Office-2003 and re-install Office-2000, unless you know how to hack the registry. And you can not easily install Office-2000 and Office-2003 on the same PC.

What I eventually did to correct the situation:

- Signed up for my own trial version of Office-2003
- Used my trial version to import my brother-in-law's email file
- Saved my brother-in-law's email in another format
- Backed up his data
- Wiped his HDD
- Restored everything

In fairness, I have not used the trial version of Office-2007. But, after my experience with the trial version of Office-2003, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Please make sure your friends don't touch it either.
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  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Saturday July 14, 2007 @11:28PM (#19864197) Homepage
    I thought the lessons were generally accepted by this time and for the most part, I think they are. When Windows XP came out, people switched over fairly quickly, but business was a bit slower to migrate. Vista gets released and I have yet to see a business site actually migrate over though I have witnessed a few individuals giving Vista a try... some going back to XP; some still trying to learn Vista's quirks. But so far, there's no business case for rolling out Vista.

    The same goes for rolling out Office 2007. I don't see a business case for it. I have known one business to start migrating over to Office 2007 because there is some collaboration tool they've just *got* to have. I think it's a mistake. But then again, this is a decision made by the same IT "MCSE" leadership that couldn't manage to get Exchange 2003 successfully installed and "lost" their Blackberry server CDs... (As if they couldn't download the software from RIM's site.)

    If there is a business case for Office 2007 or for Vista, I'd be really happy to hear it. But for the moment, I see no functions or features that we need to get our work done or that could help us get it done any better.
  • by myc ( 105406 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @12:03AM (#19864375)
    I bought a copy of Office 2007 for $20 bucks (our campus has a volume license) to try it out. It is without a doubt the worst piece of crapware I have ever had the misfortune to try, not even taking into account file compatibility issues. The very worst bit is that there is no way for you to customize the ribbons unless you learn how to code XML. If you look up online help for the ribbon, Microsoft explicitly states this. One of the things I always liked about earlier versions of Office is the ability to customize the toolbars to optimize your own personal workflow; you add buttons you use more, and take away ones you don't. Now with Office 2007 you are pretty much stuck with what they decide are the "key" tools. Some functions are hidden in the contextual menu, which is the ONLY place they are accessible. I am switching back to Office 2003, which is actually pretty decent.
  • by Futurepower(R) ( 558542 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @12:33AM (#19864537) Homepage
    Wow!!! It's shocking to read the comments above. There is no sympathy whatsoever for the average user, who has little technical knowledge, or for companies with IT departments that get caught in the abuse. Quote: "I have no sympathy. [slashdot.org] ... It's not as if nobody knows Microsoft are unredeemably crooked peddlers of defective rubbish." I think people with no technical knowledge don't know this.

    The article linked in the Slashdot article mentions Microsoft's apparent motivation: "Previous editions of Office have shipped below target, with just 15 percent of PCs running Office 2003 two years after that suite shipped, instead of Microsoft's stated goal for two thirds of PCs to be running Office 2003 by 2005."

    There are problems: "Anyone with custom macros... watch out [slashdot.org]"

    This Slashdot comment is typical: "This entire "article" is FUD. [slashdot.org] ... so long as you're using Word, Excel, or Powerpoint (i.e. not Outlook), there's nothing to worry about." The words "not Outlook" admit an exception. That comment links to a Microsoft article that shows how to convert the new Outlook format to the old. But most users won't know how to find the Microsoft article.

    The issue is that people with insufficient technical knowledge who buy new computers may not find any option other than paying for another version of Microsoft Office. That is abusive. Microsoft provides big companies methods they may or may not know about, but apparently tries to dominate most users with sneaky methods.

    At the time I am writing this, only this comment shows an understanding of the issue: Forced Upgrade [slashdot.org]: "Forced upgrades to new versions of MS Office is a normal experience in a large company."

    Thare are several social issues here:

    1) Slashdot comments often take the position, "If you don't know as much as I do, then I have no sympathy for you." It's macho posturing.

    2) Slashdot comments often come from a quirky viewpoint: "I will try to find an interpretation of what you said that could possibly be wrong, ignore any interpretations that are correct, and pretend that there could be no correct interpretations."

    3) People are often not able to protect themselves from abuse, especially when abusers exploit their weaknesses.

    4) Not only are people often not able to protect themselves from abuse, a significant percentage of people are themselves abusers. The weaker abusers use the actions of the more powerful abusers as a shield.

    5) Microsoft managers apparently feel they are unable to compete honestly. The apparently feel that, without tricks, they cannot compete. Apparently they don't know how to compete by making a good product, or for some reason they cannot make a good product. Possibly inside Microsoft making a good product is politically impossible.

    6) Many people depend on the income from the problems Microsoft creates. Those who feel they have no other way of making a living often attack anything negative about Microsoft, apparently because they see negative information about Microsoft as potentially lowering their income, which is probably true.
  • open office (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Cokeisbomb ( 1001675 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @12:36AM (#19864543)
    I have used Office 2007 some, and found that I benefited from the improvements (things like more than 3 ways to sort in excel), but what I really noticed is when I compared it to my trial of OpenOffice. It was unbelievable how many little shortcuts that make using Excel so much easier didn't exist in OpenOffice. Just the different ways to handle copy/pastes and functions, I felt that using Openoffice was a much more arduous task than using Excel. I also noticed that the performance was much worse using Openoffice than Excel on a windows machine, the performance was a little better between windows and linux (for OOo) but still not as good as Excel 2003 in Windows. Am I the only person who has seen this? Or is there a larger issue at stake? I've seen how much every business uses Excel, and feel that if they can't solve these little problems, that OpenOffice will never have a chance to steal significant market share from MSFT
  • Re:prompt? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by walterbyrd ( 182728 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @12:42AM (#19864567)
    >>Outlook allows you to export and import your data in many different formats, so I don't understand why he had to install his own copy of the trial just to export some data.

    Because my brother-in-law waited until his trial period was over. At which time he could not access Outlook at all.

    But, you are right: if my brother-in-law had saved to a different format before his trial period ended, he would have saved me a lot of work. What could I say? My mother's even worse.
  • by indaba ( 32226 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @01:45AM (#19864811)
    After noticing all the free trial ware Office 2007 CD that had been left around campus, I posted a warning re the new default DOCX format on our website ( http://www.flsa.org.au/2007/05/31/beware-office-20 07-trial-cds-theres-a-nasty-catch/ [flsa.org.au] )

    mainly because it's not widely appreciated that it can be difficult to go back to the older file format.

    To my astonishment, within a couple of hours Brian Jones, who is a program manager working on the Office XML functionality had posted a comment to the blog to point out the 27 Meg compatibility pack. http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/archive/2007/03/ 12/how-to-create-and-consume-openxml-formats.aspx [msdn.com]

    Wow, this is a little law student website on the other side of the planet from Microsoft, and they have Office program managers patrolling cyberspace looking for any negative comments ?

  • Re:prompt? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by grahammm ( 9083 ) * <graham@gmurray.org.uk> on Sunday July 15, 2007 @02:32AM (#19865041)
    But surely it is wise not to run a trial on your 'live', 'production' data. Is it not much better to either take a copy of your 'live' data and run the trial against that or to have a completely separate set of trial data? In the case of email, set up a test email account which you access using the trial software and continue to use the existing program for your live email, maybe even getting the server to deliver your email to both accounts.
  • Yeah its pretty lame (Score:3, Interesting)

    by prelelat ( 201821 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @02:46AM (#19865097)
    When I was still working at Dell(not to long ago) it was a big problem because we would load it onto the computers if you didn't order any processing software. There was nothing indicating that the software was trial software and when office 2007 first came out we would have someone get escalated to me about every other week because they couldn't get there files. Pretty much all of them thought it was pretty low.
  • by january05 ( 1126057 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @03:14AM (#19865187)
    "Journals (Science [biggest journal, of the America Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)], and Nature) have prohibited taking OOXML documents, because they do not correspond to existing standards such as MathML and SVG and are not backwards compatible to Word 2003 and previous. Compatibility packs do not even help.[2][3] As Microsoft will stop selling Word 2003 by July 1, 2007[4], this is a very bad precedent for future-proofing documents.

    1] http://www.sciencemag.org/about/authors/prep/docx. dtl [sciencemag.org] "Because of changes Microsoft has made in its recent Word release that are incompatible with our internal workflow, which was built around previous versions of the software, Science cannot at present accept any files in the new .docx format produced through Microsoft Word 2007, either for initial submission or for revision. Users of this release of Word should convert these files to a format compatible with Word 2003 or Word for Macintosh 2004 (or, for initial submission, to a PDF file) before submitting to Science"

    "Because of changes Microsoft has made in its recent Word release that are incompatible with our internal workflow, which was built around previous versions of the software, Science cannot at present accept any files in the new .docx format produced through Microsoft Word 2007, either for initial submission or for revision."

    "Users of Word 2007 should also be aware that equations created with the default equation editor included in Microsoft Word 2007 will be unacceptable in revision, even if the file is converted to a format compatible with earlier versions of Word; this is because conversion will render equations as graphics and prevent electronic printing of equations, and because the default equation editor packaged with Word 2007 -- for reasons that, quite frankly, utterly baffle us -- was not designed to be compatible with MathML."

    [3]http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/04/math-markup -marked-down.html "Math markup marked down"
            http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/12608/1023/ [itwire.com.au]
    http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/20 07/06/04/scientists_hold_off_on_that_upgrade_to_of fice_2007.html [guardian.co.uk]

    Nature's analysis of OOXML:
    "We currently cannot accept files saved in Microsoft Office 2007 formats. Equations and special characters (for example, Greek letters) cannot be edited and are incompatible with Nature's own editing and typesetting programs"

    [4] http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=519 [zdnet.com] "July 1: No more Office 2003 for OEMs" by Mary Jo Foley"

    http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/business_ap plications/the_pointless_office_converter_delay.ht ml [microsoft-watch.com] "The Pointless Office Converter Delay"

    "Two important Microsoft topics--interoperability and Office file formats--intersect on the Mac desktop, and they brutally cross like swords.

    Two weeks ago, Microsoft broke a promise made in December: The spring beta release of OOXML (Office Open XML) converters for Mac Office. "
  • by kennygraham ( 894697 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @03:19AM (#19865201)

    Can you open an XHTML 1.0 web page designed now in an HTML 3.2 browser from 1997 (10 years ago)?

    XHTML 1.0? If you're careful to follow the backward compatibility guidelines.
    XHTML 1.1? Not if served properly.
    XHTML 2 (whenever it comes out)? no.

  • by Cassini2 ( 956052 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @07:57AM (#19866113)

    Of course, I could not fully remove the "trial" version of Office-2003. Once Office-2003 has been installed, it can not overwritten with an earlier version of Office. Also, you cannot remove Office-2003 and re-install Office-2000, unless you know how to hack the registry.
    Not true at all. Just go to add/remove programs and uninstall your trial software, then reinstall your old software. If you can't uninstall software, then your PC is very messed up, which has nothing to do with outlook.

    My experience was this: I had a new PC with Office 2003 trial, and wanted to use my old version of Office to begin with. As such, I installed my earlier version of Office. The two programs would not coexist well at all. Office 2003 consistently annoyed me with unexpected attempts to start up.

    As far as I could figure out, Office 2003 maps registry keys that earlier versions of Office 2000 do not. The result is that you can't effectively have Office 2003 and an earlier version of Office on the same PC, with the earlier version having preference. Every so often, the new version of Office would be started via one of the new registry keys, and there was nothing I could do to stop it. I even refused to click Agree on th EULA, and Excel 2003 eventually decided to run anyway.

    The solution was to uninstall both Office 2003 and the earlier version of Office, and then reinstall the desired version of Office. Currently, I just uninstall the trial versions of Office immediately, and do not allow them to run even once. This seems to work fairly well.

    The original poster was essentially correct. If you do not know enough to uninstall all versions of Office, and then install the desired version, then you will have problems. If you try to "manually correct" things, you will probably wind up reinstalling Windows XP. Myself, I think if you want to have multiple versions of Office on the same PC, you probably want to install virtualization software like VMWware.

    To this date, I still have not deliberately used Office 2003 or agreed to its EULA, and I haven't missed it either.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15, 2007 @10:30AM (#19867001)
    The reason they were doing this was because Word 97 searched your hard drive (and network drives) for all word (& wordperfect) documents, and "upgraded" them so they couldn't be read by any earlier software versions (excel did the same thing). M$ therefore forced an upgrade on businesses that wanted to communicate between various offices, and people who survived the experience still remember it and the file restores to get back to readable documents.

    It sounds like M$ thinks people have forgotten, or enough new people have entered the industry that they can get away with doing this again. You will upgrade everyone, if you want to see/share your data again.
  • by Renaissance 2K ( 773059 ) on Sunday July 15, 2007 @02:57PM (#19869443)
    Wasn't Microsoft nailed a few years back for sending free copies of their new versions of Office to company heads?

    They'd install their free version of Office, produce multitudes of documents using the updated format (which was illegible by all previous versions of Office), and force the company to upgrade hundreds of other licenses just so they could read what their superiors were sending them.

    This "die before you buy" technique doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
  • by Timinithis ( 14891 ) on Monday July 16, 2007 @07:14AM (#19874675) Homepage
    I didn't even get this far.

    I bought a new laptop and once home and through the setup process, I began to remove those applications I did not need. I need the Windows OS, but I use all other OpenSource Apps. There are two Office 2007 entries. One is for the Office 2007 Trial Activation and the other is for the 2007 Trial Student Edition. The Trial Activation program will not uninstall as there isn't a "version" of Office installed. I had already uninstalled the trial office, and the solution was to re-install the trial software and then remove the Activation App. I tried that, and even went so far as to download and install the trial standard edition -- the activation app would not uninstall at all.

    Seems that Microsoft wants a reminder that you need Office 2007 and will not let you clean up the programs on "your" computer. It really is one step closer to not being "Where do you want to go today?" but "Here is where we will let you go..."

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