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Opera Browser Beta Adds Voice, More 369

An anonymous reader writes "According to an article at DesktopLinux.com, the first public beta of Opera 8 is available for free download. It adds voice input/output and a host of other niceties. Key new features include improved RSS handling, fit to window or paper width, a start-bar for easy access to the most commonly used functions, and automatic update checks. The beta release supports Windows only, but a general release is scheduled for early 2005. Opera and IBM have partnered on XHTML+Voice (X+V) technology for several years, co-announcing a Multimodal Browser and Toolkit early in 2003."
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Opera Browser Beta Adds Voice, More

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  • by beeswax ( 65749 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @05:42AM (#11175419)
    I think everyone here that likes firefox should give the Opera beta a try. I've used it since yesterday and it's a top quality piece of software in my opinion.

    Firefox might be better than IE, but Opera is much nicer, faster than firefox.
  • by Nurgled ( 63197 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @05:46AM (#11175430)

    I only upgraded from the end of major version six to seven a week or so ago, and they're getting ready for version eight already. I guess I'm destined to be one major version behind everyone else forever.

    I get a bit tired of paying again just to get a browser that crashes less. Really, they should roll back bugfixes (but not new features) into older versions; I don't use any of the new features of Opera 7, and only upgraded because of several crashing bugs in Opera 6 that were driving me mad. (both the image loader and the XML parser seemed to have serious problems with large documents, and I'm suspicious that there is a buffer overflow there somewhere.)

  • by mralert ( 837483 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @05:50AM (#11175445) Homepage
    Since Opera is a strong competitor to Firefox in the "power user"-niche, this new release will probably spur competition in the features-arena again. Now both browsers have good RSS-support, and so on. This will in turn further broaden the feature- gap between Firefox and Internet Explorer. The MSIE will have a hard time catching up. I believe 2005 will be an pretty interesting browser year :-)
  • Talking Browsers (Score:2, Interesting)

    by pawnIII ( 821440 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @05:57AM (#11175467)
    Well, this is a good idea for the blind. Though, I wonder if images will be rendered into soundwaves? For the rest of us, I much rather just type on a keyboard and read text on the screen, then having my computer screaming every word on a particular page.

    I just wonder how well the voice recognition software has become, to actually have a voice-to-website a viable solution. Considering the last time I tried using voice recognition was back '96 on an old Acer I had. Basically, you had to program every command that you wanted the computer to recognize. On top of that, you basically had to scream into the mic for the computer to pick up the sound.
  • Re:Face it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by vcv ( 526771 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @06:04AM (#11175483)
    Better formatting: Opera is the most innovative browser on the market, bar none. This is fact, whether people like it or not. Firefox would be not where it is today without Opera.

    Why I like Opera better:
    - Gestures are implemented better, more customizable, and can be used across the WHOLE browser app and not just the browser window.
    - Tabbed browsing is better, more natural.
    - Rewind and fast forward
    - The way Opera handles cache on windows, by cache'ing the GDI objects instead of just the page data.
    - The start bar
    - Better and easier customization
    - Smooth image zoom
    - Simply faster
    - Sessions and reloading all my pages after a crash.
    - MSR/Fit to width/SSR
    - The option to have the progress bar pop up at the bottom of the window and hide when it's done.
    - Wand, it's simply better.
    - Author/user modes
    - All images/cached images/no images toggle
    - Native windows skin. With OpusOS, it's great.
    - Paste and Go
    - That a page is actually a window and I can break it off from the main window if I want.
    - Trashcan that keeps track of closed pages.
    - Reload every
    - Hotclick

    And all the little details that aren't features. Firefox simply can't provide all this, even with extensions. And if there were an extension for each thing.. it would use a lot of resources, be slower, and they would not work as well together.
  • by BladeMelbourne ( 518866 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @06:10AM (#11175492)
    The internet is information, and information should be free IMHO. No browser is worth $39, especially a closed source one.

    The features may be different than those in the Mozilla Suite, but I have only ever needed to use 4 extensions ever. I only use one on a daily basis. I have all the functionality I need and want.

    I have a couple of 19" LCD screens (1280x1024) - I wouldn't want any screen real estate occupied by image adverts.

    As for voice commands - I cant see that being usable at my work. We have open partitions, four people to a partition.

    Although if it helps people with disabilities, it can only be a good thing.

    Although Homer asking his computer/browser to kill Flanders might be a bit extreme...
  • by RAMMS+EIN ( 578166 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @06:22AM (#11175526) Homepage Journal
    It amazes me that, after so many years, Opera continues to lead in browser innovation. Sure, Mozilla has copied tabbed browsing, popup blocking, mouse gestures, and a few more, but Opera has so much more. Small screen rendering, WML support, slideshows, keyboard shortcuts everywhere, ... And it's a lot faster and smaller, even with mail and IRC client built in.

    And now they bring voice recognition. If they get that to work on Linux, I'll be happy to buy a couple more licenses from them.
  • by jesterzog ( 189797 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @06:38AM (#11175574) Journal

    I think that Opera people should care most about fixing things in it's browser instead of adding features that nobody (95%) will use.

    I think Opera Software should care about staying in business before it thinks about what most people will or won't use. In all fairness, Opera doesn't have 95% of the browser market to begin with. It never has, and it's extremely unlikely that it ever will.

    Opera (the desktop browser, at least), has primarily been a browser of choice for niche groups of users. 5% is a niche market, and much less than 5% can easily be a niche market. If Opera happens to be the only browser that satisfactorily offers what those 5% or less happen to require, it'll be succesful enough to keep the business going.

    Opera is now competing with Firefox, Konqueror (although not in Windows), and a host of others. Many of these new alternatives provide the satisfactory alternative to MSIE that Opera used to dominate in providing. Consequently, that market is diminishing, and it's probably not as viable any more because so many potential users can use something besides Opera. If Opera is to compete and survive, it's a sensible business decision to look for more points of difference to open new niche markets that aren't yet well catered for.

    You might not personally like the way Opera's going, but chances are that you have plenty of alternative options anyway. Meanwhile, if you have a need for effective voice operation of a web browser as a particular group of people do, Opera might well be your first choice if they can pull it off.

  • by TheMESMERIC ( 766636 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @07:34AM (#11175694)
    I can't possibly fathom anyone bashing Opera (unless they are a Linux user).

    Purchasing Opera is one of the few things I did with pride (/me growls)

    But purchasing the Linux version .. hmmmm (it felt more like a donation)

    Still its handy having a Linux version (however un-pretty) .. saves me from using a Windows-emulator to test a webpage.
  • by scottme ( 584888 ) on Friday December 24, 2004 @08:33AM (#11175840)
    I can't deny that Opera is innovative, and I thank them for that, but I have never been able to live with any of their browsers (and I've tried them often enough on a variety of platforms).

    For me, the UI is *too* polished; I wish it would stop trying to be "different" and just fit in with the system theme I've chosen. Yes it's dull, but I like it that way.

    On my 1400x1050 laptop panel the default font size is too small, even though I generally like small fonts. If I use the zoom feature, it zooms the images as well and I don't like the effect. Can't I just zoom the text? Firefox/Mozilla does that exactly right with Ctrl+/-.

    Again on the laptop (IBM ThinkPad), the trackpoint scrolling (with middle button) doesn't work in Opera, and I simply hate that because I use it all the time in every other application. Does Opera use some fancy homegrown scrollbars? Why?

    These may seem like small points, and perhaps if I persisted I could overcome them and grow to love it, but since Firefox does pretty much everything I need exactly how I like it, why on earth would I pay money for Opera?

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