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PCs Use More Sick Days Than People 306

lunarscape writes "ZDNet is running an article about the 'absentee' rate of PCs in various UK workplaces. According to the article, while the average employee was out sick seven days a year, the average PC was inoperable due to a virus nine days a year. The article also discusses junk e-mail's impact on productivity, with one business reporting that 99.84 percent of all incoming mail is spam."
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PCs Use More Sick Days Than People

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  • Re:sick days. (Score:5, Informative)

    by AnonymousKev ( 754127 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:01PM (#9529526)
    The moderators really need a -1: Didn't Get The Cultural Reference option. I believe the parent was refering to a Dilbert cartoon (Dilbert used to "40% fact" to alarm the Pointy-Haired Boss.)
  • by Timesprout ( 579035 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:03PM (#9529542)
    Vbug, a Microsoft developer support company based in the UK with just six employees, received around 720,000 e-mails messages in a month, 99.84 percent of which were spam.

    No its the figure for one company for one month.
  • by Strange Ranger ( 454494 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:06PM (#9529581)
    There is nothing in the article that says the survey was for PCs in workplaces.

    It just says "A survey of 2,500 UK e-mail users found that 70 percent of users had been infected by a virus in the past year." It then relates that to average UK worker sick days. Nothing says the PC's were in the workplace.

    Which of course makes MUCH more sense. If the average PC atany workplace I know of was down for 9 days a year heads would roll. That's insane. Average PCs at my company are down maybe a fraction of a percent due to viruses because there are professionals making sure it stays that way.

    So this article is basically "70% of random HOME users were infected in a year."
    Businesses seem to have been asked only about spam.

    Doesn't seem like news at all.
  • by dylan_- ( 1661 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:08PM (#9529604) Homepage
    Not really. 2500 is plenty people; what's more important is that the sample is representative (of whatever group you want to talk about). As long as your sample is representative then 250,000 people will not give you significantly better results than 2500.
  • by pclminion ( 145572 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:09PM (#9529611)
    An online poll could have gathered more like 50,000 on a well traveled site.

    That's a bogus way to conduct a poll. By definition, you are only getting data from people who go to that site.

    It's called a "self-selecting sample" and in statistics it's a no-no.

    2,500 randomly selected sample points will give very accurate results, and in fact a lot of poll-takers would be envious of such a large sample.

  • correction (Score:4, Informative)

    by JustDisGuy ( 469587 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:13PM (#9529659)
    ...the average PC was inoperable due to a virus nine days a year

    Apparently even the poster didn't RTFA - the article states:
    The average UK PC is rendered unusable for the equivalent of around nine working days every year because the owner is cleaning up spam or fighting viruses.

    Our corporate workstations were affected significantly enough by virii last year to be down a total of less than a single day each. Still more downtime than we'd like, but nothing like nine days. Now spam - that's another kettle of fish altogether...
  • by Frequency Domain ( 601421 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:23PM (#9529776)
    In the survey only 2,500 people were polled. That's an insanely small number to post concerning such a wide spread thing as computers. That is like taking a group of 100 people in New York and using that as a representitive sample. An online poll could have gathered more like 50,000 on a well traveled site.
    That's not how statistics works. Online polls are not random samples, they're self-selected, so results obtained in the manner you propose would almost certainly be inaccurate. Conversely, if you have a random sample then 2500 people are more than enough. A random sample is where each member of the population has an equal likelihood of being selected, or equivalently, the likelihood of getting respondents of a certain type is equal to the proportion of that type in the population.

    Contrary to popular belief, the sample sizze required for a given level of statistical precision is NOT some big percentage of the population if sampling is random. Think of having a medical test on a blood sample. Since blood is well mixed, small amounts drawn from anywhere in your body are representative of the whole amount. There's no need to take 20 or 30% of your blood, nor to spike you all over your anatomy, they just need enough to work with. Thank goodness!

  • Re:sick days. (Score:4, Informative)

    by strictnein ( 318940 ) * <{strictfoo-slashdot} {at} {yahoo.com}> on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:26PM (#9529810) Homepage Journal
    Not only did you not get the joke, the mods didn't either.

    Real statistics show that people are ~ 1.5 times more likely to call in sick on Monday and ~ 2 times more likely to call in sick on Friday, as opposed to Tuesday-Thursday.

    That figures out to roughly:
    Monday: 23.5%
    Tuesday: 15.5%
    Wednesday: 15.5%
    Thursday: 15.5%
    Friday: 30%
  • Re:sick days. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Surt ( 22457 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:28PM (#9529836) Homepage Journal
    Actually it's exactly 40% (for businesses operating on the standard M-F business week) and it is a proven fact. You just have to be careful about how the fact is stated so that it's clear you're taking the percentage of M,F from M,Tu,W,Th,F.
  • by seafortn ( 543689 ) <reidkr@nOSpAm.yahoo.com> on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:36PM (#9529947)
    And for anyone who's curious, this 7 days v. 9 days statistic seems to be significant by chi-squared analysis (yes, I did waste the time to check)
  • Re:LA (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:47PM (#9530115)
    I'll introduce you to the 405

    Been there done that. However, Seattle has a 405 too, and in my experience, just as bad or worse.
  • Re:In the UK yes... (Score:3, Informative)

    by beakburke ( 550627 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @01:59PM (#9530293) Homepage
    You forget that sick days and vacation days are separate.
  • by spooky_nerd ( 646914 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @02:46PM (#9530916)
    That sounds great, but as a desktop support drone at a major company (40,000 people) I can tell you it doesn't always work out that way. Here's what really happens:
    The user has a 4 year old CPx laptop the company won't replace because it doesn't have the budget (unless you're a director or higher). The OS gets fried from spyware, adware, viruses, etc. All the spares are ancient systems too.
    Backups and restores take longer because no one seems to keep files on any network servers. The 350 MB limit on storage space doesn't help. Those 4 year old hard drives sometimes fail, and we don't have a budget for data recovery, so it's up to desktop support to make a best effort.
    Systems are often out of warranty, so we have to scavange parts from reclaimed systems. If we can't fix a system, then we have to order another reclaim in from the warehouse, which takes at least a day.
    We have a couple loaners, but they won't have the user's files or custom programs. If it's not too busy we can transfer data from the old hard drive pretty quickly. But if there are a lot of tickets, take a number and expect to wait a few hours.
    All that adds up to a lot of downtime over a year. I had one poor guy who went through 3 laptops in 2 weeks because of this. By then I just gave him a loaner to keep since we where getting DOA reclaims.
    Oh, and as for viruses, our team here is pretty good, but we did have one virus where we had to go desk-to-desk with a patch CD. Some people where down for the entire day.

  • by Roadkills-R-Us ( 122219 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @03:05PM (#9531124) Homepage
    Absence per year:
    At work:
    ~250 Linux systems: 1-2 hrs/yr
    ~20 Solaris systems: 1-2 hrs/yr
    ~25 Windows systems: 2 day/yr?
    ~10 Macs: 2-3 hrs/yr
    Then again, we have serious firewalls, and bought a Barracuda spam/virus filter. The Linux downtime is almost all hardware-related (old, dying PS, cheap memory - yes, we're getting away from these). Mac downtime is mostly hardware, and one flaky OS9 app.

    At home:
    2 Linux systems: 1 day/yr
    2 Win systems: 1 day/yr
    Good firewalls, only the Linux systems have internet access. Linux systems are always on, Windows are on mostly when used, so guesstimate is for lost time. Down time for Linux systems is mostly trying something weird or adding hardware. About half the Windows downtime is for that.

    I also have a production Linux server at a colo. It's been up 499 days, and was down for maybe 2 hours the previous year. So 1 hr/yr.
    I have a good firewall for this system, too.

    Lessons? Even Windows systems can show up *if* you have a secure environment and educated, trustworthy users. We have, just today, though, implemented a "no IE" policy. And without Windows, life is even easier.

    (For the record, TCO/system at our site, and my house, is *much* lower for the non-Windows systems. 8^)
  • Re:Paid Sick Days? (Score:3, Informative)

    by value_added ( 719364 ) on Friday June 25, 2004 @03:10PM (#9531194)
    They're like Slashdot mod points. Use 'em or lose 'em.
  • by nacturation ( 646836 ) <nacturation AT gmail DOT com> on Friday June 25, 2004 @05:17PM (#9532537) Journal
    Think about it. His sig is self-referential.

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