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Security Flaw Found That Allows Control of iPhone
Posted by
Zonk
on Mon Jul 23, 2007 07:05 AM
from the there's-always-a-catch dept.
from the there's-always-a-catch dept.
i_like_spam writes "The NYTimes is running a story about an iPhone flaw that has been found and documented by researchers from Independent Security Evaluators. Attackers were able to gain full control of the iPhone either through WiFi or by visiting a website with malicious code. The exploit will be demonstrated at BlackHat on Aug. 2nd at 4:45pm. Until then, 'details on the vulnerability, but not a step-by-step guide to hacking the phone, can be found at www.exploitingiphone.com, which the researchers said would be unveiled today.'"
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Excellent! (Score:5, Funny)
Of course, the down side is that so can everyone else...
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Re:Excellent! (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Excellent! (Score:4, Funny)
http://donkeykong.mit.edu/wiki/images/0/09/Ipwned
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Duke WAS NOT Apple's fault (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah, I can see how you're confused, because all the news outlets reporting about how the iPhone destroyed Duke's network did not bother to report that it was all made-up crap.
Last week: [macworld.com]
This week: [duke.edu]
Maybe at least /. could bother to retract the story?
Nah, who cares, it's just your usualy weekly Apple bashing.
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Re:Duke WAS NOT Apple's fault (Score:5, Informative)
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07
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Rut roh... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Rut roh... (Score:5, Funny)
I can see the commercials now...
Mac and PC walk in from opposite sides of the screen. Mac is dressed as a ninja - custom-tailored silks, authentic-looking swords, the works. PC wears his typical clothes, but in a disheveled fashion reminiscent of Michael Douglas in "Falling Down", complete with briefcase in one hand and machine gun in the other. (Although it's painfully obvious that PC's "gun" is a cheesy plastic model acquired from the local toy store.)
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The technical paper is the article (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The technical paper is the article (Score:5, Interesting)
Most interesting pieces of information from the article:
Under their suggestions:
I don't see how that'd help on a single-user computer., tho (another of their suggestions) chrooting all the running apps would be a step in the right direction. The researchers are politicians, too:
Translation: Running iTunes in a chroot jail makes the iPhone insecure, because my unicorn says anything done for the sake of AT&T is insecure.
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Re:The technical paper is the article (Score:4, Insightful)
*sigh* I hate this argument.
Why not just disallow anyone not capable of not programming a buffer overflow from ever programming a device? It's not a language issue. I'm sure that unqualified folks will figure out how to cause all sorts of new vulnerabilities in "safe" languages. (Hint: there is no such thing as a "safe" language.)
I guess maybe I'm just in the "old school" camp that thinks that unqualified people shouldn't be allowed to do things. There's a reason why, for instance, amateur carpenters aren't allowed to construct public buildings.
Maybe we should actually require people to be licensed programmers...while that would weed out some of the problem, though, we all know that professional engineering licenses or whatever don't guarantee competence...
</rant>
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Re:The technical paper is the article (Score:4, Insightful)
First off, it's not true. Even experienced programmers make mistakes, and I've had issues where the API I was writing to was incomplete, and my implementation and the other guys implementation were just different enough that, in the right circumstance, you could have a problem. That stuff happens. It's always going to happen.
Second, in my experience, no C programmer ever thinks that they make these mistakes, it's always crappy programmers from somewhere else. At some point, you have to own up to the fact that it's a problem of the language and that, as long as you use the language, you're going to have the problem.
Now, if we could find something that ran with the performance curve of well programmed and tuned C, but without C's baggage of errors, leaks, and overflows, this would be a no-brainer. Unfortunately, that language does not exist, and hardware hasn't gotten to a level yet to make language performance irrelevant for consumer applications.
So we have to put up with C's issues. But if a new language is developed, or if processors keep increasing, the day will come when C will join Fortran as one of those languages that really only academics need to know, and it's because of crap like this.
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Re:The technical paper is the article (Score:4, Insightful)
Your post highlighted all the dangers of ad-hoc programming.
Personally, I've seen a lot of "experienced" C programmers but only met a few good C programmers. I don't blame the language, instead I blame the programmer who gives into temptation and think they could just quickly code an application on-the-fly without any planning. A decent analogy would be that while a large number of people are familiar with the english language, only a small percentage of them can write a decent novel.
I am a C/C++ programmer, and I believe that I am capable of making even the dumbest mistakes when coding (especially during an exceptionally long programming session). This is why I test! I make my unit tests with the intent of making sure my procedures error out correctly, as well as verifying that it works correctly. I put special effort in data objects that are prone to buffer allocation errors.
I also design the overall program ahead of time, define the interfaces between modules, and go over expected application behavior with the test engineer.
I go through this because (1) the only true way to make quality software is to put forth the effort to design, test, and maintain the code from the beginning, and (2) I never expect any language to handle errors correctly.
Number 2 is important, since even if a higher language does handle out-of-bounds conditions, does it handle it in a way that doesn't cause a problem somewhere else in the data chain?
For (off-the-top of my head) example, if I had a string buffer that automatically grew to 518 bytes to handle an erroneous data entry and it stored it in a database record that only held 512 bytes, does it truncate the data or does it posts a warning. Remember this error wasn't caught by the programmer, so are we to assume that the programmer would check for this error when it came time to place it in the database? Or what if the application simply threw an out-of-bounds exception? If it wasn't tested for this in production, then this means it could happen in the field. In my line of business, it must be caught in production.
The reason *I* use C and C++ is because I need the speed that comes from not having the language doing all my thinking for me. If *you* think C has issues then maybe *you* need to use another language more appropriate for your requirements and your skill set. BTW, my colleagues would have issues about your Fortran comment too!
I am not saying C/C++ is the best language for every situation. I am just saying that I use C/C++ because of performance and space requirements. I am also saying that no high level language is a good substitution for good programming practices.
The issues related to this story require even more effort in testing. We are not trying to catch simple runtime errors, we are trying to prevent someone who has the intent to break the security of a program. This falls outside of the realm of high level languages even with the issue that caused this particular "breach."
For (another off-the top of my head) example, even the best programs can fall victim to a compromised configuration file. So effort must be made to give an application the minimum amount of security privileges necessary to do its task *and* make sure that the configuration files are not modifiable without higher privileges.
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Dear Author of Malicious Code (Score:5, Funny)
Signed,
Mac Zealot
My life for Aiur!....errr Steve Jobs!
Update Deployment (Score:4, Interesting)
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The Difference is Responsibility... (Score:5, Interesting)
The Apple community should not in any way, shape or form, harass this group like they harassed InfoSec Sellout. I.S.E. are the good guys and as a 15-year Apple veteran, I give my best to those who are out to help Apple keep security at its tightest on their products and services.
Don't be silly! (Score:4, Insightful)
Java did not exist when NeXT chose Objective C as their development language. Objective C was arguably the technically most superior language for applications development. It was (is!) cleaner and more object-oriented than C++.
C-like languages may increasing have less merit for appsdev today, but they certainly still have their place. You and I know little about the iPhone. It may indeed be the case that running a JVM on it for all apps is a poor choice.
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Neat - the interesting thing will be the response (Score:5, Interesting)
One functionality change that _should_ come out of this, though - I would turn off the default behavior of scanning for open networks and asking to join them. It wastes battery power, and the pop-ups for new networks are intrusive. In its place I'd put the AirPort icon in the display full-time (instead of just replacing the EDGE "E" when you are on a WiFi network) and allow quick access from there. I think, altogether, iPhone will be a pretty secure device after the initial flushing out of bugs, but this is a little different from traditional devices. iPhone has a classic desktop OS stripped down into a cellphone, whereas mainstream other devices (Palm, Windows CE, and Symbian) were designed more as cellphone systems (or PDA systems) and scaled up.
(not replacing my iPhone with a Razr anytime soon!)
iPhone owner is not surprised (Score:5, Informative)
An iPatch? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Stop waving that damn thing around (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:no wonder they don't allow programming the thin (Score:4, Interesting)
This was a bit tricky but it worked fine on Nokia Series 60 phones an on Sony Ericsson P800 and P900.
I don't think that Symbian managed it in version 8 and 9 to build in a ground up security, because the SDK is huge with thousands of classes.
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Re:no wonder they don't allow programming the thin (Score:5, Funny)
1. The phone randomly locks up and/or turns off - this fools 3v1L hackers.
2. Won't connect to most Bluetooth devices - keeps hackers out. Very clever!
3. When syncing contacts, it mixes up all the fields so that an 3l33t hacker won't be able to make sense of them. You won't either, but at least you're safe.
4. Apparently has a built-in function to slow all operations to a C...R...A...W...L... - this prevents hackers from using high speed automated systems to hack your phone. Ingeneous!
Signed,
A proud owner of a Cingular Nokia (Swedish for moose dung) phone.
PS - Hack my phone. I dare you! Whoops . . . wait a minute. Let me reset it first.
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