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Firefox Usage Near 25% In Europe
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on Mon Apr 16, 2007 06:28 PM
from the edge-of-the-wedge dept.
from the edge-of-the-wedge dept.
PARENA writes "French researcher Xiti claims that Mozilla Firefox keeps winning terrain in Europe. 24.1% of Internet users in Europe use Firefox. Slovenia (44.5%), Finland (41.3%), Croatia (36.5%), and Germany (36.2%) lead the way, followed by a group of mostly Eastern European countries. Remarkably, The Netherlands is only at 13.3%, right before Andorra. Oceania maintains a slight lead over Europe, at 24.8%; the rest of the world trails at 11.9% to 15.1%."
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Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."
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Ballmer chair jokes.... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... (Score:4, Insightful)
did I see something about "a clue"? doh.
Yeah but... (Score:4, Funny)
-matthew
Re:Yeah but... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://dalcomp.net/)
Re:Yeah but... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday November 03 2003, @03:59PM)
Re:Yeah but... (Score:4, Funny)
Oceania is made up of Kangaroos and Xena and the few surrounding unmarked islands.
Linux came from Europe... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Linux came from Europe... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.vhemt.org/)
Re:Linux came from Europe... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Linux came from Europe... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yeah but... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.ev4.org/)
The UK and German arms of commodore were still profitable, and there was even talk of commodore uk buying out the american parent company.
Re:Yeah but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Yeah but... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.ganjablogger.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday January 05 2006, @05:36PM)
Yes it does, prostitution and hashish are just good clean fun. The US just has a problem with them because it was founded by puritans and remains full of pruds to this day. Snooby pruds at that, here in the US we actually think our outlook is superior because our outlook includes viewing ourselves as superior.
Re:Yeah but... (Score:4, Funny)
As should 'prud'. I don't know what they are, but I like them.
Re:Yeah but... (Score:4, Informative)
(http://ekj.vestdata.no/)
In some of these its regulated, for example in Norway prostitution as such is legal -- but pimping (as in financially benefitting from the prostitution of others) is outlawed.
Re:Yeah but... (Score:5, Funny)
(Last Journal: Monday February 27 2006, @09:54PM)
Re:Yeah but... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.ganjablogger.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday January 05 2006, @05:36PM)
You might be right. But the Amiga was vastly superior to any other PC available at the time (or for some time after Commadore went out). Hell they still used Amigas for the graphics on Babylon 5 years after Commadore went out. It could be that Europeon usage is a measure of quality rather than success?
IE States: More Useful? (Score:5, Insightful)
Got to give props to the Firefox guys though. They're getting there
Useful for what? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://dgould.org/david)
Re:Useful for what? (Score:4, Informative)
(http://fsfe.org/join | Last Journal: Saturday March 31 2007, @05:28PM)
Konqueror and Safari both use KHTML (although Apple has forked it and added some things KHTML still hasn't)
sounds way of low for home users (Score:5, Informative)
(http://dattaway.us/)
OS platforms are 88% windows, 9% Mac, and nearly 3% Linux.
Are other people seeing this?
Re:sounds way of low for home users (Score:5, Insightful)
OS platforms are 88% windows, 9% Mac, and nearly 3% Linux.
This tells me nothing until I know the target audience for your site and the number of visitors.
Re:sounds way of low for home users (Score:5, Funny)
Re:sounds way of low for home users (Score:5, Funny)
(http://janneinosaka.blogspot.com/)
Or he could have been running a Gundam doll fan site for the past five years ("They're not dolls! They're action figures!!!"), thereby solidly representing the browser choices of the still-living-at-home-at-35 demographic.
Re:sounds way of low for home users (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://web.lemuria.org/)
Firefox - 4295627 hits - 65.3 %
MS Internet Explorer - 1651317 hits - 25.1 %
Opera - 319524 hits - 4.8 %
Mozilla - 127876 hits - 1.9 %
Safari - 64764 hits - 0.9 %
And that with IE dropping and Firefox gaining share has been a steady trend for the past 3-4 years. Maybe my site gets more early adopters, and I am actively pushing Firefox (the only banner/ad I've ever had on my site), but the trend is still there.
A small victory (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.thefirsthourblog.com/ | Last Journal: Monday September 10, @04:43PM)
I'm from Slovenia ... (Score:4, Informative)
(http://nerv.eu.org/)
Also I maintain three of the top 10 visited sites in Slovenia (mostly by teenagers) and the stats there are:
ie 70%, ffox 27%, opera 1.6%.
ie 6 50%, mozilla 37%, ie 7 9%, opera 1.5%
ie 6 60%, mozilla 29%, ie 7 7%, opera 1.6%
So there
Re:A small victory (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.ev4.org/)
IE:
Has poor support for standards like CSS, and has done for years thus stunting web development. Very little has been done to fix this, even in 7.
Has loads of outstanding rendering bugs
Completely stagnated for 5 years, and only had development resumed due to pressure from firefox (again stunting web development)
Supports activex, which is incredibly poorly designed and a security liability.
I would like to write my site using modern CSS features. I can't, because people viewing the site with ie wouldn't see them properly. And rather than degrading appearane gracefully, it makes a half assed attempt at rendering the CSS resulting in a really ugly look.
IE is a horrendously outdated browser, the sooner it dies, the sooner the web can move on.
Two important questions... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.hurtley.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday August 01, @03:12PM)
2. Does this survey make any attempt to take into account 'individual PC users' vs. 'internet cafe' users? i.e. Is this percentage of COMPUTERS or percentage of USERS? (Or, more likely, percentage of individual web hits?)
I can't find any technical details on how this survey was conducted, other than the slight mention of number of websites involved.
Re:Two important questions... (Score:5, Insightful)
For years many OSS and Firefox proponents have claimed that MS crippled the web and killed innovation with IE. Now that the IE monopoly is crumbling whats changed? I dont use either browser and frankly my browsing experience is the same as it has been for the last few years. Wheres all this innovation I was told I was missing?
Re:Two important questions... (Score:4, Insightful)
We aren't held back by everybody using Internet Explorer. We are held back because enough people use Internet Explorer. Even if only one in ten people use Internet Explorer, that's enough to force the average website to ensure compatibility.
Furthermore, it's a vicious circle. If web developers aren't taking advantage of nifty things like SVG, then there's far less pressure on browser vendors to incorporate these features.
I must be ignorant (Score:5, Funny)
(Last Journal: Thursday November 08, @06:56PM)
Firefox is fast becoming newspeak for "web browser".
Re:I must be ignorant (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I must be ignorant (Score:4, Funny)
People in New Zealand will be happy to hear that.
Re:Australia (Score:5, Funny)
That's just demonstrating the ignorance of Americans. Australia shares land borders with several other countries, such as Queensland to the north and Victoria to the south. Calling the whole continent "Australia" while ignoring the contributions of the other countries on the continent, Oceania, just because they're not populated by westernised whites is a combination of political supremism and just plain ignorance.
Re:Australia (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.sugoisoft.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday March 04 2004, @06:04PM)
Re:Australia (Score:5, Informative)
Normally I wouldn't take exception to poor geographical knowledge (mine is far from perfect), but some clueless mods modded you up so I feel the need to respond.
The numbers for the Netherlands are not surprising (Score:4, Informative)
Remarkably, The Netherlands is only at 13.3%
I don't find that remarkable at all. I lived in the Netherlands for a few years, and one of the things that struck me was how Microsoft-centric the universities were. A huge percentage of the Computer Science students had never even tried an OS other than Windows! (I come from one of those sunny countries in the south of Europe, and that's where I attended university. There, the various flavours of Unix — mainly Linux of course — ruled and continue to rule inside the Computer Science department). Therefore it doesn't surprise me at all that the Dutch are still stuck in the yesteryear of Internet Explorer.
As time passed, I realised that part of the reason for the Dutch situation has to do with a certain spirit of conformity and of "trying not to distinguish yourself too much from your peers". Granted, it has its positive sides — like a fairly equalitarian society — but also downsides like this one.
One by one... (Score:5, Interesting)
Then Open Office (or less bloated equivalents like Abiword) will come and kick out Word and al from grandma computers. Then average Joe will not be able to watch his movies on Vista and noone will have a copy of XP handy. So his 12-year old will install Ubuntu.
And wmv and other non-open formats will die, too. People are getting burned by DRM tricks and lock-ins.
Well... I like to dream.
Google trends asserts... (Score:1)
Languages? (Score:4, Insightful)
Correct my North-American egocentrism, but aren't most of the countries listed predominantly non-English speaking?
- RG>
Hmm.. correlates to Software Freedom Day (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://rtfm.insomnia.org/~qg/ | Last Journal: Wednesday November 16 2005, @07:11AM)
For example, compare the USA [softwarefreedomday.org] (24 teams) with Australia [softwarefreedomday.org] (19 teams). When you consider that the US population is over ten times bigger than Australia's population (298,444,215 vs 20,264,082), is it any wonder that Software Freedom Day is more effective in "Oceania" than it is in the US?
Not to mention the cultural differences in accepting software from random people on the street in the US, Europe and Australia.
Goodie (Score:1, Offtopic)
In 2101, war was not beginning...
Clerk: (looks at sheet, decides on changes)
Clerk: Internet 2.8.01 reporting bb explorenet doubleplusungood refs unperson rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling
W(here)tf (Score:2)
Germany 36.2% - yet Seibel web apps are msie only (Score:3, Interesting)
Where I work, we use a web-based Seible product called crmondemand. It will only work correctly with MSIE. The Firefox MSIE plug-in doesn't help.
Firefox 64% / IE 31% (Score:3, Informative)
http://virtuawin.sourceforge.net/website_stats.ph
Note: it's a total Windows power user app too. That partially explains it.
Eric
Yeah 25% and growing. (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://perlworks.com/)
So this increasing market share of Firefox is good news. The threat of a single client achieving complete dominance is past now, I believe - a bullet dodged.
As an aside. I have a customer that was concerned about this several years ago and she wanted to do her part so she requested a special mod to her shopping cart that recognizes the browser and gives a "Mozilla Users Discount" for the kindred users.
Interesting to see that it still works Sam McGees Hot Sauce [sammcgees.com]"
Bah. Firefox sucks. (Score:1, Offtopic)
(http://photo.net/photos/swillden | Last Journal: Wednesday July 19 2006, @01:42PM)
Iceweasel kicks its ass any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
Firefox = bleah, on a Mac (Score:1)
(http://flotson.us/)
Just a little more data... (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Thursday April 10 2003, @03:01AM)
Firefox: 20%
IE: 70%
Safari: 5%
others: ~5% (we still get Netscape 4 users in decent numbers......)
Of the IE numbers, about 35% over the past two months are using IE7, and that's going up a lot every day.
Also, FWIW, 5% of our visitors are dialup (as reported by Google Analytics)
Even MS is acknowledging FireFox (Score:2, Informative)
(http://tonyking.tk/ | Last Journal: Saturday January 22 2005, @01:32AM)
was up with their new Silverfish
(or is it Silver Lite?), they gave me a choice of
downloading the IE plugin or the Firefox plugin...
Firefox 100% is not the target (Score:3, Interesting)
I am from Germany (Score:2)
Lies, damn lies, statistics...
I am running Firefox on Debian, but let me assure you, I am the only one as far as I can see.
Data indicates a clear majority amongst home users (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://hasenstein.com/)
Stats for Macedonia (Score:1, Informative)
Since there is no data in the article, this is from march Awstats of the most popular Macedonian website
blog.com.mk (339445 Unique visitors)
Writing form "Firefox country" Slovenia (Score:1)
(http://pg302.sourceforge.net/)
So in a way we won but war is not over YET. There is still 58% of computers without Firefox around.The good thing is this percentage can't be ignored from web developers any more. There is almost no Firefox incompatible web pages. Next "war" please ??...
IE down to 65% (Score:1)
IE 65%
FireFox 16%
Safari 10%
The rest is bots with various RSS agents & aggregators being well represented. (The site has an active RSS feed plus some less active feeds)
On the other hand a site for UK hotels gets:
IE 76%
FF 12%
AOL 2%
Safari 2%
Opera 2%
32% Firefox users in my blog (Score:2)
(http://kyspeaks.com/)
Most of my readers are from Malaysia though. You can check the broswer share here [sitemeter.com]
Firefox figures disguise huge variations (Score:2)
(http://web-owls.com/)
Firefox usage varies a bit from country to country, but it varies much more among different demographics within each country.
In March I launched a new website, which got Dugg. Sixty-nine percent of my visitors had Firefox.
Then, as visitors started to arrive from other places, the percentage of Firefox users dropped and has kept dropping. It's now down to 29%.
Informed Europeans (Score:2)
Safer Browsing (Score:1)
Firefox is a great product (Score:1)
I am quite sure that if FF was a Microsoft product its performance who have been ridiculed to no end on /.
Depends how you measure.... New Zealand site shows (Score:1)
Re:Nice indeed, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
On a related note, I'd like to see a study as to how accurate translations are, too, when comparing FireFox (and others) to IE.
Re:Nice indeed, but... (Score:4, Interesting)
Their computers come with Internet Explorer, and it's good enough. They're not going to embrace Firefox just for the sake of it, because they're entirely apathetic about almost everything to begin with.
We Americans haven't had to fight for anything or even really compete. Students don't have to learn, and people readily embrace each other when a Wikipedia link makes them think they're experts on legal and business processes (*cough*implied warranties*cough*). Complacency explains a lot, including the relatively slower uptake of Firefox.
Attention Dumbshit Moderators (Score:5, Insightful)
Complacency and apathy is exactly the sort of reason why Microsoft still commands the desktop and why people aren't switching over to superior products like Firefox. It's also the reason why alternative fuels are struggling to take off (fossil fuels are still profitable for producers and cheap for consumers) and why it takes near-catastrophe for the United States to enact appropriate social and environmental policy.
Since I am an American, you can take your indignation at my criticism and shove it.
Re:Nice indeed, but... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://phatfree.net/)
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I ASSURE YOU THAT THIS INCREASE IS RISK FREE ON ALL SIDES.
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BEST REGARDS,
DR. ABRAHAM UMBABWE
Re:Nice indeed, but... (Score:2, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Thursday November 08, @06:56PM)
Look at the guys map, South America, and surprisingly - Asia, seem to have the slowest uptake.
The map doesn't have US specifically, but go ahead and assume that North America means USA only. We don't pay much attention to mexico or canada either.
Re:What am I forgetting Ending in X. (Score:3, Funny)
(Last Journal: Sunday January 21 2007, @01:58AM)
Fornication ends in N.
Re:What am I forgetting Ending in X. (Score:5, Funny)
(Last Journal: Wednesday October 24, @03:50AM)
No, this being Slashdot, it normally ends in a Kleenex.
Because we are sick of msft's abusive practises (Score:5, Informative)
Need I go on?
Re:Nice indeed, but... (Score:2)
(http://127.0.0.1/)
Re:Rabid fanbase (Score:3, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Tuesday October 30, @10:59AM)
I care because enough people do this that IE/Windows become a defacto standard. Before Firefox started gaining ground, many websites were coded to IE, not to standards -- and IE broke the standards. This affected me directly, because when I was using Mozilla (and early Phoenix builds, which was later renamed to Firefox), I would often run into websites designed only for IE, which would not work properly on other browsers, even when they followed the standards, assuming they let me in the door in the first place.
There are still entirely too many websites, even non-ActiveX ones, which will use browser detection and block you at the door if you're not using IE.
So, if you use IE, you're directly responsible for parts of the Web sucking for Firefox users, and that is one reason I look down on you.
Even now, websites designed for standards, which work flawlessly in Firefox, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, and many other browsers, continue to fail in IE, because IE does not support the standards properly. But since so many use IE, the standard user response is, "This website is broken." The standard way to deal with this is to spend several times as long developing your website (or web app) in order to ensure that it also works on IE.
Go talk to any serious web developer about the problems of supporting IE. When they tell you, understand that they are not exaggerating at all. It really is at least that bad. And that's just with existing standards; IE has been the most resistant when it comes to supporting actual new standards. (Adding their own does not count; Microsoft does not (or should not) dictate Web standards, that's what the w3c [w3.org] is for.
(And if they are using a toolkit, like Dojo [dojotoolkit.org] or Google Web Toolkit [google.com], that just means the toolkit is doing the work for them. It also means that a very large portion of that toolkit had to be written to fix the problems Microsoft introduces with IE.)
Windows is another problem for another rant. But let me just give you one: Anti-virus software would not have to exist, were it not for Windows. Also, hardware manufacturers tend to write their drivers for Windows only, meaning Windows gets the credit for working on just about any hardware, without having to do any of the work. It also means that they tend to not release specifications, meaning Linux has to reverse-engineer these things.
So, you, as a Windows user, are directly contributing to my problems -- things like my wireless card not working, and the difficulty of finding a wireless card known to work with Linux.
That is why we look down on you. You are making the computing world a hell for anyone who doesn't make the same choices you do (Windows/IE). Microsoft may have made Windows/IE hell to work with, but you, without even realizing it, are making it more and more difficult to choose anything else.